i am going to talk about this first and, then, cite info.   the info does show that it was this william harris/ mary of hanover/ louisa/ goochland cos, va, who was more involved with the cawthons and crenshaws, who, in turn, were also shown to have been more involved with george alvis, his son, david alvis and who, again, were also more involved with edward harris, brother of our william harris/ mary giles than with our william harris/ mary giles.   again, both our william harris/ mary giles and his brother, edward harris, had moved with their mother, alice, and their stepfather, george alvis, by 1694 or earlier to new kent/ hanover cos, va.   again, after our alice harris alvis died,  george alvis is shown/ indicated to have re- married mary crenshaw.   the records of hanover co, va show that our edward harris, son of our major william harris and brother of our william harris/ mary giles, was involved in a dispute with david crenshaw re the guardianship of david alvis, son of george alvis/ mary crenshaw.    in hanover, there are also these items: (my info re these records is from wiggins: harris papers: new kent/ hanover cos, va.)   the estate of david alvis, orphan of george alvis is brought to court and recorded.  david crenshaw is admin of the estate of mary alvis, deceased, and the estate owes david alvis 10 pds 15 shillings, oct 1734.   1734, charles chiswell, richard clough, and michael holland meet, the parties being absent, in the case of david crenshaw lately guardian of david alvis, enfant, versus edward harris, his present guardian.   the following  records of new kent/ hanover cos, va also connect edward harris with the crenshaws and david alvis.   The lands of Jn Williamson, Edw Harris, John Crenshaw, Tho Johnson, Jn Sims**** and Geo Brock being one precinct, of which Jn Williamson and Edw Harris are overseers, who made this return we the Subscribers have processiond our Land according to Order, Edw Harris, John Williamson, John Crenshaw, Geo Brock, Thos Johnson, John Sims The Vestry Book of St Paul's Parish" Hanover County VA 1706-1786 (1734)Pg 141 BENJAMIN JOHNSON At a Vestry held for St Pauls Parish ye 19th 1734 Ordered that Benj Johnson, have the Tithables of Jn Price, Tho Grant, Edward Harris, David Alvis, Tho Winpenney, Wm Hix, Wm Cawthon, Nich Gentry, Jn Ross and Laurence Forguson to assist him in Clearing the road where he is Surveyor The Vestry Book of St Paul's Parish" Hanover County VA 1706-1786   then, also per the processioning records of new kent/ hanover cos, va from ca 1719-1755/ 1759 and, perhaps, later, there is also shown to have been this william harris, who is consistently processioned with the cawthons and the crenshaws as well as with george alvis and david alvis.   1719: william harris processioned with george alvis; gentry; cawthon; john sim. # 31   1719:  thomas harris lands processioned with george alvis; george harris; richard clough; george dabney; john and david crenshaw. # 33   1731 in one precinct:  william harris; george alvis; christopher cawthon; john spradling; nicholas gentry; samuel pryor; james phillips; james cawthon, page 193.      possibly, the 1719 survey may have been for our william harris/ mary giles but by 1731/ 1735,etc, the william harris here processioned with george alvis, david alvis; the cawthons  and crenshaws and who continued to be processioned with them,  is definitely indicated to have been this william harris, who was the same william harris/ mary of goochland co, va.   again, my william harris/ judith hudson and my william harris, sr/ frances goode were in brunswick/ lunenburg co, va by 1743/ 1746.     per the louisa co, va deed wherein our edward harris, son of our william harris/ mary giles, sold land in louisa co, va to william watkins for this land on cubb creek, this shows that our william harris/ mary giles was deceased by 1749.      Davis, Rosalie E. Louisa County, Virginia Deed Books A-B. Bellevue , Wash. : Davis , 1976   Book A, p. 369-370, 5 Jan 1749 (1750) Edward Harris of Louisa Co., and his wife, Anne, to William Watkins of Hanover Co. £80 current money. 150 acres and plantation on Cub Creek…William Harris’ corner; part of 400 acres granted William Harris, the deceased father of said Edward Harris, by patent 24 Mar 1725. Edward (H) Harris   Anne (X) Harris Wit: John Snead, Miles Burford, Saml. Snead , Israel Snead.   1731:  edward harris processioned with benjamin johnson; robert anderson; thomas grant; thomas johnson; john price; john crenshaw and others, page 193.   1736:  william harris processioned with george alvis; chris and william cawthon; samuel pryor; john spradling; the processioning taking place in the presence of david alvis; lawrence ferguson; john ross; john pryor and james mc laughlin, # 6, page 111.   1734:  benjamin johnson to have the tithables of edward harris; david alvis; william cawthon; john ross; lawrence ferguson; william hix; thomas winpenny; nicholas gentry; john price; and thomas grant to assist him to clear the road, page 108.   1755:  william harris land processioned with james spradling; nicholas gentry; william cawthon; samuel pryor; james crenshaw......being beech creek to stonehorse creek to lines of robert depriest. page, 136.  # 6   1759: november 19:  precinct # 6:  william harris processioned with james cawthon; william cawthon; nicholas gentry; samuel pryor; james crenshaw; james phillips; robert depriest did not attend nor did some others.   again, this william harris, per these processioning records of new kent/ hanover cos, va processioned with george alvis, david alvis, the cawthons and the crenshaws, is definitely indicated to have been the same william harris/ mary who were in goochland co, va and whose, daughter, agnes, married john cawthon.   speaking of the cawthons/ cauthens, an irony of some sort or not------i am a harris married to a cauthen.  my father was a harris; my brothers are harrises; all my uncles and  all my grandfathers were harrises.   i do not know if my husband's cauthen family, who trace back to essex co, va, were related to the cawthon family of hanover co, va?   what i do know, again, is this:   that  my william harris, sr/ frances goode was the son of my william harris/ judith hudson of lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, va and that it was my william harris, per our harris dna, who was the son, william, of our william harris/ mary giles.   again, i would still also say, given this william harris' involved association with george alvis, david alvis, the cawthons and the crenshaws, etc, that this william harris, per these processioning  records and indicated to be the same william harris/ mary of hanover/ louisa/ goochland cos, va,  is definitely indicated to have been the son of edward harris, brother of our william harris/ mary giles.   again, it is also shown/ indicated to have been this sherwood harris/ hannah page, who was also a son of this william harris/ mary of goochland co, va and brother of this gilliam harris and their sister, agnes, who married john cawthon.   all of this info re these connections with william harris/ mary and this sherwood harris/ hannah page both associated with the same thomas stark there in goochland co, va i posted in these earlier posts to carol re this wilminton harris.   again, neither our william harris/ mary giles or his brother, edward harris, left wills or estate papers and the only way we are going to be able to sort  this all out and to figure who were their sons is per our individual and combined research of the records and confirmed by our harris dna.   so, i am, again, hopeful that we are going to be able to learn more and to locate other of our harris descendants to also participate in the harris dna project.   belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8---------26910