this is partly in reply to anna overton jackson but also to others, who are part of harris dna group 6, and others of you, like e.w.,  who believe and/ or say you descend from william harris/ temperance overton.   this is not an issue to me whether there was or was not a william harris/ temperance overton who had descendants and that there are those of you who descend from him.   you will have to conclude that.   what i am interested in IS, again, this confusion that exists between our william harris/ mary giles and your william harris/ temperance overton.   again, given this confusion, i am interested in whether those who wrote about your william harris/ temperance overton, including malcom harris, got this info right.   again, i have not seen malcom harris' book or books but from what i have seen, he concluded in looking at these early patents and parish records of st paul's parish, hanover co, va that it was your william harris/ temperance overman, who was elected vestryman there in new kent/ hanover cos, va and that it was also your william harris/ temperance overton who was called mr william harris and, then, captain william harris.   again, it was our william harris/ mary giles and his brother, edward harris, who were the sons of our major william harris and his 2nd wife, alice, of henrico co, va and it was our major william harris of henrico co, va who was the son of our captain thomas harris 1611 of jamestown.    after our major william harris was killed by the indians in 1678 in henrico co, va, our alice remarried george alvis.   our william harris/ mary giles and his brother, edward harris, are shown, by 1694 deeds to have been in new kent co, va with their mother, alice, and their stepfather george alvis by this date or earlier.   again, as i have just shown and talked about on harris hunters per these records of this st paul's parish vestry there in new kent/ hanover co, va, they show that george alvis was a life-time and influential member of the vestry there in new kent/ hanover cos, va.   again, who better to influence both the vestry and our william harris/ mary giles in becoming also a member of the vestry there than our william harris/ mary giles rather than your william harris/ temperance overton.   again, the info does show that james overton also became a member of the st paul's vestry some time later than mr william harris and definitely some time after george alvis had been elected a member and who, as i say, is indicated to have been a life-time member of the st paul's vestry there in new kent/ hanover cos, va.   so, again, how does one conclude which william harris was called mr william harris, and later captain william harris and who was elected vestryman there in st paul's parish, new kent/ hanover cos, va,  given that it was our william harris/ mary giles who was brought up by his stepfather, george alvis or your william harris who is said to have married temperance overton?     again, this is confusing and, as i say, to me,  it cannot be easily or readily concluded just by looking at this st paul's parish vestry info whether it was our william harris/ mary giles or your william harris/ temperace overton who was also elected to the vestry there in st paul's parish in new kent/ hanover cos, va.   again, also, except for this patent on cubb creek in 1724 and the patent on elk's creek for this william harris, called william harris, jr, all of these other patents said to be for either mr william harris or captain william harris, malcolm harris ascribed to your william harris/ temperance overton.   is this info accurate?   i believe also that malcolm harris believed and wrote that this was your william harris/ temperance overton who traced back to our captain thomas harris 1611 of jamestown again through this robert harris, who, at one time, is stated to have married mary claiborne.   again, it is our major william harris, and his sister, mary harris, who married thomas ligon also of henrico co, va, who are definitely shown, again, per the records, to have been the children of our captain thomas harris 1611 of jamestown.   so, again, given this confusion re our william harris/ mary giles, son of our major william harris, 2nd wife, alice, who remarried george alvis,  with your william harris/ temperance overton there in new kent/ hanover cos, va, i am interested in what is actually known and  what is the  info, per the records, which can be actually cited re your william harris/ temperance overton.   for example, when i look at this into on the family tree rootsweb sites,  i find varying dates of when your william harris/ temperance overton was born and when he died, as well as who his/ their children were, etc.   so, again, other than what malcolm harris wrote and/ or this info from the book on the overtons, which, again, i have also not seen, what is the actual info which can be cited, per the records, for  your william harris/ temperance overton?     belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8----------26910