James and Ransom Gilliam were sons of Isham Harris and Martha (?). James moved to SC and Ransom stayed in NC. Isham was son of West and Mary Turner Harris. I'm not sure there is proof of the maiden name of wife of William Gilliam. Barbara   Barbara barbhens@sbcglobal.net --- On Wed, 5/23/12, PatCLARE@aol.com <PatCLARE@aol.com> wrote: From: PatCLARE@aol.com <PatCLARE@aol.com> Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Harris/Gilliam/Kimball/Cheatham To: harris-hunters@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 6:44 AM In a message dated 5/23/2012 12:37:30 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  lmcollins3@comcast.net writes: About  the Harris-Gilliam connection, would it be from the line of Richard Gilliam  (1657 New Kent, Virginia) and Margaret Lawson (1659 New Kent, Virginia)?   Their son William Gilliam (1699) married Agnes Harris (1710) , and then  William and Agnes' granddaughter Priscilla (1766)  married James Harris (1763).  Another granddaughter Elizabeth Gilliam (1769) married Ransom  Harris (1764).  And then there's the Martha Taylor Gilliam (1786)  mentioned, who married Gideon Harris (1772) in that same line.    (Not original research--I copied these dates from the internet.) The James Harris that Priscilla Gilliam married is a DNA 4; however, our Harris 8 Family Finders are picking up some part of the  Gilliam autosomal  DNA going through that couple.  We believe that  means that Agnes Harris up the line was an 8 or that the 8 Harris line contains  major Gilliam strains from a line that would include William Gilliam. The line through Elizabeth Gilliam/Ransom Harris carries the FF for Sherod  Alexander Harris 8 The line through Priscilla Gilliam/James Harris carries the FF line for  Jerry Carter (Sherod Harris/Hannah Page) If you move up the line to Agnes Harris/William Gilliam, the following FFs  come through their children: William Gilliam/Elizabeth Cheatham  (Sherod Alexander Harris 8 &  Jerry Carter 8) Winnefred Gilliam/Peter Kimball (Jimmy Richard Harris 8 & Lorene Harris  8.) Jimmy goes through son Buckner  Kimball and Lorene goes through son  Peter Kimball and the name evolves into Kimbrell .  Jimmy and Lorene both come from the Edward Harris line of Twitty Creek (old Brunswick>Lunenburg>Charlotte VA) who was said to have married a widow  Gilliam.   If she was a widow, I can't say she was a Gilliam, unless  she was a Gilliam married to a deceased Gilliam;   Deed records show  that Edward had a wife Ann in 1766. Bk 1, p. 123 84. p. 123. __ ___ 1766. Edward Harris of Cornwall  Parish Charlotte Co. to Henry Isbell of same, for 30 pounds, 100 acres in  Charlotte on Reads Fork.[Note: this is proved to be Reece's Fork by  comparison with the neighboring land deeds - Pat] All waterways and  appurtenances. Ann, wife of***** Edward Harris, mentioned. Signed: Edwd.  Harris Witness: none Recorded: 7 Oct 1766 We hope to have a major Gilliam line in the Family Finder in July that may  really help on these lines. The origin of all the Gilliam names appears to come with Minyard (of  Edward) adopting the Gilliam children of William Gilliam d 1772 married to  deceased Mary assumed to be Harris. The adopted children were Charles Gilliam, Minyard Gilliam, Harris Gilliam, and Martha Gilliam . There may have been children already of age, also. Charles married Sarah Smith and died in Franklin TN Minyard Gilliam  & unknown  married and he died in Burke NC  post 1830 Harris Gilliam married his cousin Mavan Harris d/o Edward II, bro to  Minyard Martha Gilliam may have married an  Edward Harris cousin. Greg Gilliam can correct my notes!! Pat COURT AND ROAD ORDERS 7 DEC 1772 CHARLOTTE MOTION OF MAYNARD HARRIS TO  ADOPT GILLIAM CHILDREN PG 214 There is a question now whether the Sr. Edward Harris moved to NC with his  children, as there is a late deed for an Edward Harris of Charlotte VA buying  property in the area of Ward's Fork north of the Roanoke/Staunton River. Pat ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is a tested DNA 30 coming from Louisa VA that has had little publicity. Researcher's notes: Looking for info on a Thomas HARRIS possible wife Sarah HALL son Simeon b. 1780 in VA another son Zedekiah HARRIS b. ? ******Simeon and Zedekiah were 1/2 brothers.....***** They were in KY by 1799 when Zedekiah married Elizabeth OWEN in Bullitt County KY and Simeon married Susannah OWEN in 1802 THOMAS HARRIS born sometime around 1750 said to be from Louisa County, VA. He is said to be the son of a NATHANIEL HARRIS. Thomas HARRIS is said to have married SARAH HALL, from Louisa County, VA. Children of Thomas HARRIS are; ABIGAIL HARRIS m. Nathaniel CLARK CATHERINE HARRIS m. Valentine KING JOHN HARRIS CELIA HARRIS born abt. 1780 m. John CLARK..... SIMEON HARRIS OVERTON HARRIS ELIZABETH HARRIS m. George JONES RHONDA HARRIS m. John GENTRY JAMES HARRIS m. Catherine KING SARAH HARRIS m. Alexander KING AGNESE HARRIS m. Jesse KING ZEDIKIAH HARRIS***** m. Elizabeth OWEN / OWENS d/o William Roby Owen and Luck BROWN. [Zedikiah is the YDNA tested line ~ PMH] Zedikiah Harris/Elizabeth Owen William Harris 1805 1851 /Carolyn MaGruder William Harris 1826 KY/Martha widow Ritchey Charles Albert Harris 1863 Iron MO/Virinda Ennis William James Harris 1892/Pearl Burns C. R. Harris YDNA donor Any information on these families appreciated. PMH

In a message dated 5/23/2012 12:37:30 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lmcollins3@comcast.net writes: About the Harris-Gilliam connection, would it be from the line of Richard Gilliam (1657 New Kent, Virginia) and Margaret Lawson (1659 New Kent, Virginia)? Their son William Gilliam (1699) married Agnes Harris (1710) , and then William and Agnes' granddaughter Priscilla (1766) married James Harris (1763). Another granddaughter Elizabeth Gilliam (1769) married Ransom Harris (1764). And then there's the Martha Taylor Gilliam (1786) mentioned, who married Gideon Harris (1772) in that same line. (Not original research--I copied these dates from the internet.) The James Harris that Priscilla Gilliam married is a DNA 4; however, our Harris 8 Family Finders are picking up some part of the Gilliam autosomal DNA going through that couple. We believe that means that Agnes Harris up the line was an 8 or that the 8 Harris line contains major Gilliam strains from a line that would include William Gilliam. The line through Elizabeth Gilliam/Ransom Harris carries the FF for Sherod Alexander Harris 8 The line through Priscilla Gilliam/James Harris carries the FF line for Jerry Carter (Sherod Harris/Hannah Page) If you move up the line to Agnes Harris/William Gilliam, the following FFs come through their children: William Gilliam/Elizabeth Cheatham (Sherod Alexander Harris 8 & Jerry Carter 8) Winnefred Gilliam/Peter Kimball (Jimmy Richard Harris 8 & Lorene Harris 8.) Jimmy goes through son Buckner Kimball and Lorene goes through son Peter Kimball and the name evolves into Kimbrell . Jimmy and Lorene both come from the Edward Harris line of Twitty Creek (old Brunswick>Lunenburg>Charlotte VA) who was said to have married a widow Gilliam. If she was a widow, I can't say she was a Gilliam, unless she was a Gilliam married to a deceased Gilliam; Deed records show that Edward had a wife Ann in 1766. Bk 1, p. 123 84. p. 123. __ ___ 1766. Edward Harris of Cornwall Parish Charlotte Co. to Henry Isbell of same, for 30 pounds, 100 acres in Charlotte on Reads Fork.[Note: this is proved to be Reece's Fork by comparison with the neighboring land deeds - Pat] All waterways and appurtenances. Ann, wife of***** Edward Harris, mentioned. Signed: Edwd. Harris Witness: none Recorded: 7 Oct 1766 We hope to have a major Gilliam line in the Family Finder in July that may really help on these lines. The origin of all the Gilliam names appears to come with Minyard (of Edward) adopting the Gilliam children of William Gilliam d 1772 married to deceased Mary assumed to be Harris. The adopted children were Charles Gilliam, Minyard Gilliam, Harris Gilliam, and Martha Gilliam . There may have been children already of age, also. Charles married Sarah Smith and died in Franklin TN Minyard Gilliam & unknown married and he died in Burke NC post 1830 Harris Gilliam married his cousin Mavan Harris d/o Edward II, bro to Minyard Martha Gilliam may have married an Edward Harris cousin. Greg Gilliam can correct my notes!! Pat COURT AND ROAD ORDERS 7 DEC 1772 CHARLOTTE MOTION OF MAYNARD HARRIS TO ADOPT GILLIAM CHILDREN PG 214 There is a question now whether the Sr. Edward Harris moved to NC with his children, as there is a late deed for an Edward Harris of Charlotte VA buying property in the area of Ward's Fork north of the Roanoke/Staunton River. Pat

Hi I am still trying to learn the parentage of Nathaniel Harris, Group 2, born in VA in 1763 and m. to Martha Byars. I rarely read of anyone in Group Two. Thank you. Paula Harris Wolkerstorfer On May 22, 2012, at 8:34 PM, PatCLARE@aol.com wrote: > I would like to thank our researchers who have submitted important > information to our list. > > > > Ann Gary, we appreciate your information on DNA line 3. > > Pam Stone, thank you for your material on Harris DNA line 6 with the > Benjamin Harris notes. > > Evelyn Wallace, thank you for your many contributions to our HH list and > your histories on Group 6. > > Glenn Gohr...many thanks for Harris Group 8 material. > > > I can't list everyone, but thanks to all who have made this such a great > list. > > > For information on our many different Harris families (now over 50) > please see > > Harrisdna.org > > go to results page. > > > We should do a roll call for those people still searching for their > families. > > > If you have a Harris line anywhere that you need help with, please post > your material to the list. We have a great group of helpful people who > may be able to assist you to find your families. > > If you don't get an answer or reply, please know that your information will > remain in the archives and somewhere down the road someone may come along > who has the material you need. > > Pat Harris > Mitch Harris > . > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Can I start? I want to thank everyone that has contributed also. I do like to read the posts even though I do not find any connection yet since my brick wall stops in 1845. I have a Gillium that married a Harris in Cannon Co. TN. My ongoing search is John L. Harris b. 1822 VA/TN, census varies. Some people say L. stands for "Lee" which I have no documentation. He also goes by J. L. Harris. He does have a son named John Lee Harris, so I'm not counting it out. I first find him married to Sarah Bryson in 1845 Cannon Co. TN and he died there in 1913. Unfortunately records were burnt, my dad was born there in 1913 also. John L. is listed in the harrisdna.org unmatched group. Any clues will be appreciated. Thank you all. Debbie in AL > From: PatCLARE@aol.com > Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 23:34:49 -0400 > To: HARRIS-HUNTERS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Thanks to our researchers > > I would like to thank our researchers who have submitted important > information to our list. > > > > Ann Gary, we appreciate your information on DNA line 3. > > Pam Stone, thank you for your material on Harris DNA line 6 with the > Benjamin Harris notes. > > Evelyn Wallace, thank you for your many contributions to our HH list and > your histories on Group 6. > > Glenn Gohr...many thanks for Harris Group 8 material. > > > I can't list everyone, but thanks to all who have made this such a great > list. > > > For information on our many different Harris families (now over 50) > please see > > Harrisdna.org > > go to results page. > > > We should do a roll call for those people still searching for their > families. > > > If you have a Harris line anywhere that you need help with, please post > your material to the list. We have a great group of helpful people who > may be able to assist you to find your families. > > If you don't get an answer or reply, please know that your information will > remain in the archives and somewhere down the road someone may come along > who has the material you need. > > Pat Harris > Mitch Harris > . > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would like to thank our researchers who have submitted important information to our list. Ann Gary, we appreciate your information on DNA line 3. Pam Stone, thank you for your material on Harris DNA line 6 with the Benjamin Harris notes. Evelyn Wallace, thank you for your many contributions to our HH list and your histories on Group 6. Glenn Gohr...many thanks for Harris Group 8 material. I can't list everyone, but thanks to all who have made this such a great list. For information on our many different Harris families (now over 50) please see Harrisdna.org go to results page. We should do a roll call for those people still searching for their families. If you have a Harris line anywhere that you need help with, please post your material to the list. We have a great group of helpful people who may be able to assist you to find your families. If you don't get an answer or reply, please know that your information will remain in the archives and somewhere down the road someone may come along who has the material you need. Pat Harris Mitch Harris .

I would refer everyone to the web site of Greg Archer Gilliam for his excellent research on the Gilliam lines and their related families . _http://home.roadrunner.com/~gilliamsofva/AlliedFamilies/HarrisFamily/Harris Family.html_ (http://home.roadrunner.com/~gilliamsofva/AlliedFamilies/HarrisFamily/HarrisFamily.html) Pat Harris In a message dated 5/22/2012 9:30:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pamstone@cfl.rr.com writes: Hi, all, Ira Harris asked YEARS ago for information on a particular HARRIS line and how they connected to a particular GILLIAM/GILLAM line, and why these two lines seem to have been intertwined for many years. So far, we have not had a clear response from anyone on this list to Ira's query. Does anyone have clear early GILLIAM/GILLAM research showing how these two families were linked? I suspect that they were linked together early in Virginia, but may have even preceded the arrival of these Harrises and Gilliams in Virginia. Can anyone help with new documentation? Thanks! Pam ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

First of all, thank you for the great information on the Quaker family of Benjamin and Sarah Harris. Secondly, that's a great website with all of the Harris Gilliams and Gilliam Harrises. About the Harris-Gilliam connection, would it be from the line of Richard Gilliam (1657 New Kent, Virginia) and Margaret Lawson (1659 New Kent, Virginia)? Their son William Gilliam (1699) married Agnes Harris (1710) , and then William and Agnes' granddaughter Priscilla (1766) married James Harris (1763). Another granddaughter Elizabeth Gilliam (1769) married Ransom Harris (1764). And then there's the Martha Taylor Gilliam (1786) mentioned, who married Gideon Harris (1772) in that same line. (Not original research--I copied these dates from the internet.) Also, Mary Giles. Is that still controversial? Last name "Giles"? Perhaps "Chiles"? Something else? Two people named Mary Giles? Wife of William Harris or Thomas Harris? Perhaps of John Edward Harris? Because somebody's son, perhaps William Harris and Mary Giles' son, William Harris (abt 1695) might have married Mary Gilliam (abt 1705). And that line also goes down to the same Gideon Harris (1772) and Martha Taylor Gilliam (1786). I wonder if any of these two families, Gilliams and Harrises, were Quaker. Michal Anna Collins On May 22, 2012, at 6:27 PM, Pam Stone wrote: > Hi, all, > > > > Ira Harris asked YEARS ago for information on a > > particular HARRIS line and how they connected to > > a particular GILLIAM/GILLAM line, and why these > > two lines seem to have been intertwined for many > > years. > > > > So far, we have not had a clear response from anyone > > on this list to Ira's query. > > > > Does anyone have clear early GILLIAM/GILLAM > > research showing how these two families were > > linked? > > > > I suspect that they were linked together early > > in Virginia, but may have even preceded the > > arrival of these Harrises and Gilliams in Virginia. > > > > Can anyone help with new documentation? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Pam > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, all, Ira Harris asked YEARS ago for information on a particular HARRIS line and how they connected to a particular GILLIAM/GILLAM line, and why these two lines seem to have been intertwined for many years. So far, we have not had a clear response from anyone on this list to Ira's query. Does anyone have clear early GILLIAM/GILLAM research showing how these two families were linked? I suspect that they were linked together early in Virginia, but may have even preceded the arrival of these Harrises and Gilliams in Virginia. Can anyone help with new documentation? Thanks! Pam

Sorry forgot the url http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilliam_County,_Oregon   isis1037@yahoo.com Owner/moderator Website: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/egyptbeyond Author: "Tombs,Temples and Thrones" ________________________________ From: DEL HIESTAND <devanhi@yahoo.com> To: harris-hunters@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Harrises and the GILLIUM/GILLIAM lines In my tree, my TONEY line connects both HARRIS and GILLIAM. Del Hiestand --- On Tue, 5/22/12, Pam Stone <pamstone@cfl.rr.com> wrote: > From: Pam Stone <pamstone@cfl.rr.com> > Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Harrises and the GILLIUM/GILLIAM lines > To: harris-hunters@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 6:27 PM > Hi, all, > >  > > Ira Harris asked YEARS ago for information on a > > particular HARRIS line and how they connected to > > a particular GILLIAM/GILLAM line, and why these > > two lines seem to have been intertwined for many > > years. > >  > > So far, we have not had a clear response from anyone > > on this list to Ira's query. > >  > > Does anyone have clear early GILLIAM/GILLAM > > research showing how these two families were > > linked? > >  > > I suspect that they were linked together early > > in Virginia, but may have even preceded the > > arrival of these Harrises and Gilliams in Virginia. > >  > > Can anyone help with new documentation? > >  > > Thanks! > >  > > Pam > >  > >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is a county history of the Gilliam family here in Heppner, Morrow County, Oregon. As well as the county named for the family and several others here in E. Oregon   isis1037@yahoo.com Owner/moderator Website: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/egyptbeyond Author: "Tombs,Temples and Thrones" ________________________________ From: DEL HIESTAND <devanhi@yahoo.com> To: harris-hunters@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Harrises and the GILLIUM/GILLIAM lines In my tree, my TONEY line connects both HARRIS and GILLIAM. Del Hiestand --- On Tue, 5/22/12, Pam Stone <pamstone@cfl.rr.com> wrote: > From: Pam Stone <pamstone@cfl.rr.com> > Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Harrises and the GILLIUM/GILLIAM lines > To: harris-hunters@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 6:27 PM > Hi, all, > >  > > Ira Harris asked YEARS ago for information on a > > particular HARRIS line and how they connected to > > a particular GILLIAM/GILLAM line, and why these > > two lines seem to have been intertwined for many > > years. > >  > > So far, we have not had a clear response from anyone > > on this list to Ira's query. > >  > > Does anyone have clear early GILLIAM/GILLAM > > research showing how these two families were > > linked? > >  > > I suspect that they were linked together early > > in Virginia, but may have even preceded the > > arrival of these Harrises and Gilliams in Virginia. > >  > > Can anyone help with new documentation? > >  > > Thanks! > >  > > Pam > >  > >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In my tree, my TONEY line connects both HARRIS and GILLIAM. Del Hiestand --- On Tue, 5/22/12, Pam Stone <pamstone@cfl.rr.com> wrote: > From: Pam Stone <pamstone@cfl.rr.com> > Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Harrises and the GILLIUM/GILLIAM lines > To: harris-hunters@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 6:27 PM > Hi, all, > > > > Ira Harris asked YEARS ago for information on a > > particular HARRIS line and how they connected to > > a particular GILLIAM/GILLAM line, and why these > > two lines seem to have been intertwined for many > > years. > > > > So far, we have not had a clear response from anyone > > on this list to Ira's query. > > > > Does anyone have clear early GILLIAM/GILLAM > > research showing how these two families were > > linked? > > > > I suspect that they were linked together early > > in Virginia, but may have even preceded the > > arrival of these Harrises and Gilliams in Virginia. > > > > Can anyone help with new documentation? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Pam > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Submitter Warren has a tough genealogical problem here.  His message is at the bottom.  We have all been in this same boat, with certain families at least. I have a couple of suggestions.  These are all time-consuming activities, of course. South Carolina MAY be a lost cause!!!! Use the naming patterns of the children to try to find similar names for Harrises in other colonies or states.  This is an endless search, of course, but the internet MAY make it easier.  (Do be careful of family histories/trees being contributed by newbies to Ancestry.com.  I am constantly making comments to try to set these newbies on the right road, and sometimes I am detoured also.  Harris-Hunters sometimes help me a LOT.) Also, do NOT overlook old county histories.  Although professionals warn us about these *mug* books, I found films of two county histories from a burned county in Illinois.  Such a county history helped me unlock some maternal relatives of my great-grandfather.  One of the persons to whom great-grandfather, a relative newcomer to Texas, owed money (letter from another cousin in Springfield, IL) was featured, and was he a blabber-mouth.  Had he not told of his three marriages, the origins of his first wife, also details about the children,dead and alive, and also of his parents, I would still be looking in Kentucky instead of finding cousins in Illinois and in Kansas City, Missouri.  Also the relative (a noted attorney) in Springfield, IL contributed a family history in a history of Sangamon Co., IL about his mother, her Kentucky origins, her maiden name, etc.  And the extended family of my great-grandfather had letters from this attorney in Springfield.  Thank goodness, great-grandma, a terrific letter-writer and hoarder, had relatives who were not good at keeping house and kept that old trunk all these generations. Long ago, when I first began this crazy hobby, I attended a lecture by Arlene Eakle, PhD, one of the first editors of the series of books called The Source.  She knows a great deal about Southern families. She warned, If you are researching in Virginia, study all the counties.  I thought she was crazy, until I got back to my Dad's colonial Virginia roots.  Fortunately, a cousin, much more scholarly than I, told me books I needed to have, in particular, The Boone Family, which is now on the internet (HeritageQuest and probably other databases)  This old family history will not help with ALL the Harrises, but it helped me. Two ideas here: 1)  Enlist your relatives in this search.  Many of us became great correspondents before the internet disrupted our habits. 2) Also, do not pay attention to county boundaries, or at least learn the parent county and the progeny counties of the county where you have been researching.  The old Everton Handy Book for Genealogists used to give this info.  The Red Book by Eicholz has some helpful info, but not always so detailed as Everton. I have not used this resource a good deal.  I understand it is now on the Internet: NUCMUC [genealogists call it Nuck-Muck]  This is a National Union Catalog of Manuscript... [ask a librarian for the whole name].  This is a *round up* by Library of Congress of Manuscripts which are held in libraries around the United States.  You may never ever think this will help you, but you MAY be surprised.  My Dad had two maternal relatives who were authors or editors.  Using these hefty books (many series) at a local University library, I found two of these men had items listed, and the NUCMUC told the whereabouts of these items.  (Genealogy is where you find it.)  Ask your librarian, when she or he has time, to either tell you about NUCMUC or else explore Wikipedia to explain this topic or some such internet explanation.  Hardly a national genealogical conference, at least in the past, failed to have at least one such lecture on this item--NUCMUC. Other Harris-Hunters will give you some ideas, I am sure.  For Southerners, of course, land records are VERY useful, and so are probates (when you can find them), but keep exploring what publications or internet items may pop up.  And, don't give up, unless poverty or poor health intervenes.  South Carolina, again, is most difficult.  Imagine how difficult it must have been for our ancestors!!!  You may have to research each of the children--and their spouses--and their places of residence--to get clues about their father. Michigan has some great University libraries,  A correpondent some years ago told me he did most of his Southern research (genealogical) at the University at Ann Arbor.  You might explore these research areas of your State.  A librarian (also a genealogist, author, lecturer) told me some time ago that most University and college libraries agree to interlibrary loan.  E.W.Wallace ________________________________ From: "PatCLARE@aol.com" <PatCLARE@aol.com> To: HARRIS-HUNTERS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 6:49 AM Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] John Harris/Coffee Co. TN wife Amiah LNU ----------  Forwarded message ---------- From:  "Warren B. Carah" _wcarah@livingonline.com_ (mailto:wcarah@livingonline.com) Date:  Sun, 20 May 2012 09:04:36 -0400 Subject:  John and Amiah Harris of VA, SC and Coffee Co., TN I  have renewed my search for the origins of John and Amiah Harris of  Coffee County,  TN. John  Harris was born between 1771 and 1780. No records have been located that  point to where he was born, but it is likely it was in Virginia, North Carolina  or South Carolina. He lived for an extended period in South Carolina  as this is where most, if not all his children were born. He moved to  Franklin county Tennessee sometime before the 1820 census. This is in  the south-east  part of Tennessee between Nashville and Chattanooga. He lived in that  part of Franklin Co., that became Coffee County in 1836. He died sometime  between the 1840 and 1850 census. No grave has been located, but it  is likely he is buried in the old Harris Cemetery near Hillsboro in Coffee  Co. John's  wife was a woman named Amiah who was born in about 1776 in Virginia based  on 1850 census data. Amiah is a form of the name Amy and is sometimes used  as a male first name. There has been no information uncovered regarding  where in Virginia Amiah was born or where she was married. Amiah died  in Coffee county, Tennessee sometime between the 1850 and 1860 census. The  following children have been identified: Abel  K. Harris, b. abt. 1802--South Carolina, moved to Perry Co., Alabama  by 1826,  d. 1870--Bibb Co., AL Lewis  Harris, b. abt. 1805--South Carolina, lived in Coffee Co., TN all his life,  d. 1867--Coffee Co., TN William  W. Harris, b. 1809--South Carolina, lived in Coffee co., TN all his life,  d. 1892--Coffee Co., TN Unknown  Female Harris, b. bet. 1811-1815, known from census enumeration Robert  Oliver Harris, b. 1813--South Carolina, moved to Perry Co., Alabama by  1830, d. 1874--Perry Co., AL Unknown  Male Harris, b. bet. 1816-1820, Known from census enumeration, may have  been an Andrew J. Harris based on local documents Elizabeth  J. Harris, b. 1819--Location Unknown, moved to Perry Co., AL, d. 1841--Perry  Co., AL There  are other Harris's with the name Abel, but I have not been able to link  them to John Harris as possible relatives. The uniqueness of the name Amiah  has been my main focus in finding the Virginia origins of this wife of John  Harris. Since a number of the Harris Hunter list members have searches focused  in Virginia, perhaps you have come across the name "Amiah" in your research  of the 1770's and later period. Any  inputs gratefully accepted! Regards, Warren  B. Carah Brighton,  MI ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Warren B. Carah" _wcarah@livingonline.com_ (mailto:wcarah@livingonline.com) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 09:04:36 -0400 Subject: John and Amiah Harris of VA, SC and Coffee Co., TN I have renewed my search for the origins of John and Amiah Harris of Coffee County, TN. John Harris was born between 1771 and 1780. No records have been located that point to where he was born, but it is likely it was in Virginia, North Carolina or South Carolina. He lived for an extended period in South Carolina as this is where most, if not all his children were born. He moved to Franklin county Tennessee sometime before the 1820 census. This is in the south-east part of Tennessee between Nashville and Chattanooga. He lived in that part of Franklin Co., that became Coffee County in 1836. He died sometime between the 1840 and 1850 census. No grave has been located, but it is likely he is buried in the old Harris Cemetery near Hillsboro in Coffee Co. John's wife was a woman named Amiah who was born in about 1776 in Virginia based on 1850 census data. Amiah is a form of the name Amy and is sometimes used as a male first name. There has been no information uncovered regarding where in Virginia Amiah was born or where she was married. Amiah died in Coffee county, Tennessee sometime between the 1850 and 1860 census. The following children have been identified: Abel K. Harris, b. abt. 1802--South Carolina, moved to Perry Co., Alabama by 1826, d. 1870--Bibb Co., AL Lewis Harris, b. abt. 1805--South Carolina, lived in Coffee Co., TN all his life, d. 1867--Coffee Co., TN William W. Harris, b. 1809--South Carolina, lived in Coffee co., TN all his life, d. 1892--Coffee Co., TN Unknown Female Harris, b. bet. 1811-1815, known from census enumeration Robert Oliver Harris, b. 1813--South Carolina, moved to Perry Co., Alabama by 1830, d. 1874--Perry Co., AL Unknown Male Harris, b. bet. 1816-1820, Known from census enumeration, may have been an Andrew J. Harris based on local documents Elizabeth J. Harris, b. 1819--Location Unknown, moved to Perry Co., AL, d. 1841--Perry Co., AL There are other Harris's with the name Abel, but I have not been able to link them to John Harris as possible relatives. The uniqueness of the name Amiah has been my main focus in finding the Virginia origins of this wife of John Harris. Since a number of the Harris Hunter list members have searches focused in Virginia, perhaps you have come across the name "Amiah" in your research of the 1770's and later period. Any inputs gratefully accepted! Regards, Warren B. Carah Brighton, MI

Hi, all, Installment 15 of the families coming out of Cedar Creek, Hanover County, Virginia. Pam ==================================== Brewer, op. cit. p. 120: 27/2/1778. Representatives appointed by the preparative meetings: for Cedar Creek Nicholus HUTCHINGS [Hutchens] & Jeremiah HARRIS, for Camp Creek David TERRELL & William DAVIS, for Amelia Jesse JOHNSON, Benjamin JOHNSON & Jesse JOHNSON Junr, for Geneto [Genito] James HUNNICUTT, who are mostly present. - p. 121: 21/8/1778. Strangman HUTCHINGS, James CREW, John PAYNE, Pleasants TERRELL & Micajah CREW appointed to visit Amelia preparative meeting on their repeated neglect of sending accounts. - p. 125: 11/9/1779. Representatives from Cedar Creek preparative meeting are Joshua STANLY [Stanley] & Nicholas HUTCHINGS, from Caroline James HARRIS & Thomas TERRELL, from Camp Creek Byrom BALLARD. [James HARRIS, son of Benjamin & Sarah Dumas HARRIS] - p. 11: Accillis DOUGLAS (son of John DOUGLAS) of Orange Co & Elizabeth TERREL (daughter of Micajah TERREL) of Caroline Co, married 10th da, 10th mo, 1779 in Caroline Co. Witnesses: Micajah TERREL, Pleasant TERREL, John DOUGLAS, Elijah JOHNSON, Catlet JONES, Thos TERREL, Elizabeth EASTIN, Sarah TERREL, Ann BARKSDALE, Milley DOUGLAS, Rachel MOORMAN, Judith CHEADLE, Martha HARGRAVE, Elizabeth CHEADLE, Lucy CHEADLE, Judith CHEADLE, Salley CHILES, Ursla CHEADLE, Salley HARGROVE, Mary HARGROVE, Rebecca TERREL, Agatha TERREL. [Rachel Harris MOORMAN, wife of Clark Terrell MOORMAN, and daughter of Benjamin & Sarah Dumas HARRIS; Judith Woodson CHEADLE, wife of Thomas CHEADLE; and this Elizabeth CHEADLE, whose maiden name I have not yet discovered, appears likely to have been the second wife of John CHEADLE {1692-1768}; a notation as to the death of this Elizabeth, on p. 10 of this book, indicates that she died Feb. 16, 1794, aged about 94 years.] - ==================================== DAVIS, Virginia, op. cit. - p. 468: . An entry in the minutes of the Cedar Creek Monthly Meeting gave the approximate date of the death of Benjamin Harris. On March 13, 1762, the name of Benjamin Harris was lately removed by death. [Virginia cited Hinshaw, Vol. 6, p. 246.] [I have previously provided that fact to this list, from Brewer, op. cit., p. 70.] Sarah Harris lived almost twenty years longer. At the time of the death of Benjamin it is probable that only Judith and Obediah had married. Thomas was about two years old when his father died, and was just twenty when his mother died. He was, then, the only one unmarried. It must have given Sarah a sense of accomplishment to have had all of her children marry within the faith. Sarah was an elder in the Cedar Creek Monthly Meeting at the time of her death. [Virginia again cited Hinshaw, p. 247.] [I have previously provided that fact to this list, from Brewer, p. 63.] She died in St. Martin's Parish, Hanover County. Her will was written on July 7, 1780, and was proved at a court for Hanover County on Thursday, the 7th of September, 1780. [Virginia cited the Woolfolk Papers, which I have already mentioned, but without any further identification.] Sarah left her son, Thomas, one third part of her stock and all of her household furniture, except for one feather bed and furniture, which she left to her granddaughter, Unity Crew. Sarah gave her son, Thomas all of the lands that she owned in Hanover County, and one Negro man, Bobb. She gave her son, James Harris, all of the land that she owned in Caroline County. Sarah had just received 472 acres in Caroline County, from Joseph Richeson on May 11, 1780. [Virginia cited Caroline County Land Tax Records.] The remainder of her estate was to be equally divided among her six children. - ==================================== Brewer, op. cit. pp. 11-12: Thomas STANLEY (son of John STANLEY) and Unity CREW (daughter of James CREW) both of Hanover Co married 20th da, 12th mo, 1780 at Cedarcreek, Hanover Co. Witnesses: John STANLEY, James CREW, Micajah CREW, Joshua STANLEY, Littlebury STANLEY, Shadrick STANLEY, Moses HARRIS, John HARRIS, John SHELTON, Nicholas WATKINS, John STANLEY, Jno ANDERSON, Agness STANLEY, Ursla STANLEY, Mary PAYNE, Elizabeth STRONG, Sara STRONG, Rebecca STANLEY, Huldah STANLEY, Mary STRONG, Margaret STANLEY, Sarah HARRIS, Nancy SHELTON, Dolley PAYNE, Elizabeth HARRIS, Susanah STANLEY. [I haven't been able to sort out all the Stanleys in this record. Thomas Stanley had three sons born in St. Peter's Parish, New Kent Co., in 1688-1691; this John who was Thomas' father has to have come from that Thomas Stanley through one of his sons, James or John, but I don't have the generations between. Unity Crew was the eldest daughter of James & Judith Harris Crew, and the granddaughter of Benjamin & Sarah Dumas Harris. I have not identified the Sarah Harris or Elizabeth Harris in the above record.] - p. 138: 12/4/1783. James CREW is appointed to receive the estate of Elizabeth ELMORE deceased from John PAYNE, executor. Micajah CREW, James HARRIS & James HUNNICUTT are appointed to assist him in dividing the said Elizabeth ELMORE's cloths & give their advice in settling all other matters. [James Crew, husband of Judith, and son-in-law of Benjamin & Sarah Dumas Harris; Elizabeth Elmore was the daughter of John & Mary Stanley Harris; she married John Elmore in 1740 {this book, p. 31.} James Harris was the son of Benjamin & Sarah Dumas Harris, and the husband of Mary Cheadle. John Payne, his wife, Mary, and their children, Walter, Williams, Temple and Dolley moved to Cedar Creek in 1768 from the New Garden Meeting in Guilford Co., North Carolina{p. 89 of this book.} John Payne was relinquishing the executorship of the Elizabeth Harris Elmore state because he was moving his family to Philadelphia. John Payne was not a birthright Quaker, but married Mary Coles, who was. He became a pillar of the Friends Society, and died in 1792 in Philly. Dolley Payne first married a Quaker attorney {THAT must have been interesting!} named John Todd in Philadelphia, and was widowed with a young son by 1793, when she was 25 {a yellow fever epidemic had killed many in Philly that year.} She appears to have met James Madison in Philadelphia; he was a member of the Continental Congress, which met in that city through 1800. James Madison & Dolley Payne Todd married in 1794; she was, of course, disowned by the Friends for "marrying out." James Madison, of course, became the 4th President of the United States {tiny man, huge & brilliant mind.} Dolley Payne Todd Madison was known for her social abilities, and she helped to more clearly-define the role of the First Lady of the United States. But Dolley Payne Todd Madison was more than a pretty face. She had a real sense of history and the proverbial steel in her spine: she refused to leave the White House in 1814 without rescuing the famous portrait of George Washington by Stuart {this, when the British were quickly approaching, and setting fire to the city of Washington, which was completely burned.} NOT genealogy, as James & Dolley didn't have any children, but a big old chunk of interesting American history...] - ============================================ [END OF FILE] ============================================

Hi, all, More on the families of Cedar Creek Meeting. Please recall that I am attempting to delineate in these dispatches ONLY the descendant families coming from Benjamin (ca. 1698-1762) & Sarah Dumas Harris of Hanover & Louisa Cos., Virginia. I realize how easy it is to confuse all the various Harris families in Virginia, so I am trying to be especially clear regarding all of the descendants of Benjamin & Sarah Dumas Harris. The children of Benjamin & Sarah Dumas HARRIS were: Judith HARRIS (m. James CREW,) Obediah HARRIS (m. Rebeccah JOHNSON,) Jeremiah HARRIS (m. Anne CHILES,) James HARRIS (m. Mary CHEADLE), Unity HARRIS (m. John LADD), and Thomas HARRIS (m. Chlotilda LADD.) Pam ==================================== Brewer, op. cit. - p. 113: 8/6/1776. Representatives from the preparative meetings: for Cedar Creek Jeremiah HARRIS & Joshua STANLY, from Camp Creek Charles MOOREMAN & Micajah DAVIS, from Amelia Ashly JOHNSON & William JOHNSON, from Caroline Thomas TERRELL who were present except for Charles MOORMAN who is required to to give his reason. - p. 113: 8/6/1776. Thonmas PLEASANTS, Strangeman HUTCHENS, Ashley JOHNSON, Jessee JOHNSON, Charles MOORMAN, David TERRELL, Clark T. MOORMAN & James CREW are added to those formerly appointed for the nomination of elders. - p. 113: 13/7/1776. Representatives from preparative meetings: for Cedar Creek James CREW & Jeremiah HARRISS, from Caroline Pleasants TERRELL & James HARRISS, from Camp Creek Micajah DAVIS. [James CREW., husband of Judith HARRIS, and son-in-law of Benjamin & Sarah Dumas HARRIS; Jeremiah HARRIS, son of Benjamin & Sarah Dumas HARRIS; James HARRIS, son of Benjamin & Sarah Dumas HARRIS; note that James' residence was in Caroline County, VA by this time] - p. 114: 14/9/1776. Friends appointed to nominate & addition of elders have complied, names are Jesse JOHNSON, Jesse JOHNSON [author inserted "sic"; the correct name probably was Ashley or Benjamin], Pleasants TERRELL, Thomas TERRELL, John PAYNE, Acchillas DOUGLASS, Byrom BALLARD, Susannah MOORMAN, Rebecak TERRELL [Rebecca], Miriam PLEASANTS, Elizabeth WINSTON, Mary PAYNE & Elizabeth PLEASANTS, who were approved. - p. 115: 12/10/1776. Acchillis MOORMAN of Caroline hath acted in several matters contrary to friends discipline [sic]. Samuel HARGRAVE, James HARRIS, Samuel WINSTON & Micajah TERRELL to treat with him. - p. 115: 2/11/1776. Representatives from the several preparative Meetings: for Cedar Creek Nicholas HUTCHINGS & James CREW, from Caroline Pleasant TERRELL & Samuel HARGRAVE, from Amelia Jesse JOHNSON Junr & Benjamin JOHNSON, from Jeneto [Genito] John BARNET & Strangeman HUTCHINGS, from Camp Creek Charles MOORMAN & Micajah DAVIS, who were present. - p. 82: 13/12/1776. James CREW & Thos PLEASANTS, John HARRIS & Strangeman HUTCHENS appointed to collect the sentiments of friends concerning the slave trade. [James Crew, husband of Judith, and son-in-law of Benjamin & Sarah Dumas HARRIS; John HARRIS, son of Daniel & Mary Hutchens HARRIS; Strangeman HUTCHENS, son of Nicholas & Mary Watkins Hutchens of Henrico Co., VA.] - p. 116: 21/2/1777. Representatives from the preparative meetings for Cedar Creek Clark Terrel MOORMAN, Moses HARRIS & James CREW, for Caroline Thomas TERREL & Pleasants TERREL, for Camp Creek David TERREL & Micajah DAVIS, for Amelia Jesse Johnson & Ashly JOHNSON, for Jeneto [Genito] Strangman HUTCHINGS, John BARNET & Benjamin WATKINS. [Clark Terrell MOORMAN, husband of Rachel, & son-in-law of Benjamin & Sarah Dumas Harris; Moses HARRIS, son of Daniel & Mary Hutchens HARRIS & grandson of John & Mary Stanley HARRIS; Strangeman HUTCHENS, son of Nicholas & Mary Watkins HUTCHENS of Henrico Co., VA; and John BARNETT, son of John BARNETT of Goochland?, and son-in-law of Strangeman & Elizabeth Cox HUTCHENS; Benjamin WATKINS "Sr.", son of Benjamin WATKINS, died in 1793 at Genito in Goochland Co. He had been an overseer of the Genito Monthly Meeting, and was replaced by Samuel PARSONS in February of that year {this book, pp. 11, 181.} He was a birthright Quaker, and the was most likely the grandson of Henry WATKINS of the Curles/Henrico Meeting {d. 1714 (Wright, op. cit., p. 7.)}] - p. 116: 8/3/1777. Representatives from the several preparative meetings: for Cedar Creek Jerimiah HARRIS & Thomas HARRIS, for Caroline Micajah TERRELL & Samuel HARGRAVE, who were present, except Micajah TERRELL. [Jeremiah HARRIS, son of Benjamin & Sarah Dumas HARRIS; Thomas HARRIS "Sr.", son of Daniel & Mary Hutchens HARRIS, and grandson of John & Mary Stanley HARRIS] - p. 117: 10/5/1777. Samuel HARGRAVE, Micajah TERRELL, Pleasants TERRELL, James CREW, James HARRIS and Jesse JOHNSON appointed to attend Quarterly meeting. - ============================================ [END OF FILE] ============================================

To reply: James Harris is the son of Samuel and Rebecca Morrison Harris; he is the brother of Judge Edward Harris of Newbern, NC; he married Susannah Gass and among their children is a son David GASS Harris. He is NOT the son of Christopher Harris. Ann Gary ----- Original Message ----- Dear Ann Gary and other interested parties: Thank you for your diligent research (and wonderful biography) on James Harris, the son (I will have to check, but I think you have convinced me) of Christopher Harris of early Madison Co., KY.  His wife was Susannah Gass. (For Madison Co., KY reseachers interested in the early Harris family of Madison Co., KY, may I suggest you subscribe to Harris-Hunters at rootsweb and read the submissions, especially these last few months.  Many of our exchanges have to do with the family of Christopher Harris, an early settler in Madison Co. and his numerous progeny--and sometimes his parental family.) To Anny Gary--I have taken the liberty of cutting and pasting your e-mail in the notes which my old genealogical program allows me to enter bios, research notes and other word processing in rich text format (rtf). I think Pam Stone, a diligent Harris-Hunter, has discovered that the eldest son of Christopher Harris by his [reputed] first wife Mary Dabney also went to North Carolina, part of which became Tennessee. That son's name was Dabney Harris. New Bern, North Carolina, however, as I found out some years ago when my now deceased spouse spent a week near New Bern--and I even prowled the library, is somewhat different than the western part of that Southern state..  However, the owner of a nice boat, for a fee, who showed us the shore, told us that there was a difference culturally between Eastern North Carolina and Western North Carolina.  (I had asked her why so many old automobiles were decaying on the land.) Incidentally, I have ancestors of another common name of colonial Granville co. NC, and there a goodly number of Harris families in that area, which in its early days consisted of nearly ALL of Northern North Carolina, according to Helen Leary, *Mrs. North Carolina genealogy* as far as I am concerned.  I recommend you look over any and all books edited and published by Margaret M. Hofmann [note spelling]. She has edited and published at least four volumes of colonial land patents of North Carolina.  These volumes are good people-finders, if you have lost your Virginians!!!  Or Pennsylvanians.  And others seeking opportunity--and freedom from the Anglican church--and perhaps from primogeniture. Thanks for sharing. Evelyn W. Wallace ________________________________ From: Ann Gary <bbteam@centurylink.net> To: Harris-Hunters@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 8:13 AM Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] James Harris married Susannah Gass To reply to Mrs. Wallace's posting: "Another James Harris? Later,  it appears James Harris was present in Madison Co.  He was not only an agent of Edward Harris of the town of Newbern in the State of North Carolina, a deed executed 3 Sept 1798, but also he was an a witness to the deed.  (DB D-570, film FHL 183,285) It is unknown whether there was a blood relationship between Edward Harris of Newbern, NC and  James Harris of Madison Co., KY; however, Edward Harris is not named in the will of Christopher Harris I of Madison Co." This James Harris, son of Samuel and Rebecca Morrison Harris, was the brother of Judge Edward Harris of Newbern, NC. Judge Edward Harris died intestate and had no children.  James Harris who married Susannah Gass died in Franklin County, Tennessee.  Judge Edward Harris was a large land owner, and many deeds are of record with his heirs signing. Ann Gary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Evelyn, James Harris married Susannah Gass is the son of Samuel and Rebecca Morrison Harris - NOT Christopher as I believe you inadvertently typed below. Ann Gary ----- Original Message ----- Dear Ann Gary and other interested parties: Thank you for your diligent research (and wonderful biography) on James Harris, the son (I will have to check, but I think you have convinced me) of Christopher Harris of early Madison Co., KY.  His wife was Susannah Gass. (For Madison Co., KY reseachers interested in the early Harris family of Madison Co., KY, may I suggest you subscribe to Harris-Hunters at rootsweb and read the submissions, especially these last few months.  Many of our exchanges have to do with the family of Christopher Harris, an early settler in Madison Co. and his numerous progeny--and sometimes his parental family.) To Anny Gary--I have taken the liberty of cutting and pasting your e-mail in the notes which my old genealogical program allows me to enter bios, research notes and other word processing in rich text format (rtf). I think Pam Stone, a diligent Harris-Hunter, has discovered that the eldest son of Christopher Harris by his [reputed] first wife Mary Dabney also went to North Carolina, part of which became Tennessee. That son's name was Dabney Harris. New Bern, North Carolina, however, as I found out some years ago when my now deceased spouse spent a week near New Bern--and I even prowled the library, is somewhat different than the western part of that Southern state..  However, the owner of a nice boat, for a fee, who showed us the shore, told us that there was a difference culturally between Eastern North Carolina and Western North Carolina.  (I had asked her why so many old automobiles were decaying on the land.) Incidentally, I have ancestors of another common name of colonial Granville co. NC, and there a goodly number of Harris families in that area, which in its early days consisted of nearly ALL of Northern North Carolina, according to Helen Leary, *Mrs. North Carolina genealogy* as far as I am concerned.  I recommend you look over any and all books edited and published by Margaret M. Hofmann [note spelling]. She has edited and published at least four volumes of colonial land patents of North Carolina.  These volumes are good people-finders, if you have lost your Virginians!!!  Or Pennsylvanians.  And others seeking opportunity--and freedom from the Anglican church--and perhaps from primogeniture. Thanks for sharing. Evelyn W. Wallace ________________________________ From: Ann Gary <bbteam@centurylink.net> To: Harris-Hunters@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 8:13 AM Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] James Harris married Susannah Gass To reply to Mrs. Wallace's posting: "Another James Harris? Later,  it appears James Harris was present in Madison Co.  He was not only an agent of Edward Harris of the town of Newbern in the State of North Carolina, a deed executed 3 Sept 1798, but also he was an a witness to the deed.  (DB D-570, film FHL 183,285) It is unknown whether there was a blood relationship between Edward Harris of Newbern, NC and  James Harris of Madison Co., KY; however, Edward Harris is not named in the will of Christopher Harris I of Madison Co." This James Harris, son of Samuel and Rebecca Morrison Harris, was the brother of Judge Edward Harris of Newbern, NC. Judge Edward Harris died intestate and had no children.  James Harris who married Susannah Gass died in Franklin County, Tennessee.  Judge Edward Harris was a large land owner, and many deeds are of record with his heirs signing. Ann Gary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Ann Gary and other interested parties: Thank you for your diligent research (and wonderful biography) on James Harris, the son (I will have to check, but I think you have convinced me) of Christopher Harris of early Madison Co., KY.  His wife was Susannah Gass. (For Madison Co., KY reseachers interested in the early Harris family of Madison Co., KY, may I suggest you subscribe to Harris-Hunters at rootsweb and read the submissions, especially these last few months.  Many of our exchanges have to do with the family of Christopher Harris, an early settler in Madison Co. and his numerous progeny--and sometimes his parental family.) To Anny Gary--I have taken the liberty of cutting and pasting your e-mail in the notes which my old genealogical program allows me to enter bios, research notes and other word processing in rich text format (rtf). I think Pam Stone, a diligent Harris-Hunter, has discovered that the eldest son of Christopher Harris by his [reputed] first wife Mary Dabney also went to North Carolina, part of which became Tennessee. That son's name was Dabney Harris. New Bern, North Carolina, however, as I found out some years ago when my now deceased spouse spent a week near New Bern--and I even prowled the library, is somewhat different than the western part of that Southern state..  However, the owner of a nice boat, for a fee, who showed us the shore, told us that there was a difference culturally between Eastern North Carolina and Western North Carolina.  (I had asked her why so many old automobiles were decaying on the land.) Incidentally, I have ancestors of another common name of colonial Granville co. NC, and there a goodly number of Harris families in that area, which in its early days consisted of nearly ALL of Northern North Carolina, according to Helen Leary, *Mrs. North Carolina genealogy* as far as I am concerned.  I recommend you look over any and all books edited and published by Margaret M. Hofmann [note spelling]. She has edited and published at least four volumes of colonial land patents of North Carolina.  These volumes are good people-finders, if you have lost your Virginians!!!  Or Pennsylvanians.  And others seeking opportunity--and freedom from the Anglican church--and perhaps from primogeniture. Thanks for sharing. Evelyn W. Wallace ________________________________ From: Ann Gary <bbteam@centurylink.net> To: Harris-Hunters@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 8:13 AM Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] James Harris married Susannah Gass To reply to Mrs. Wallace's posting: "Another James Harris? Later,  it appears James Harris was present in Madison Co.  He was not only an agent of Edward Harris of the town of Newbern in the State of North Carolina, a deed executed 3 Sept 1798, but also he was an a witness to the deed.  (DB D-570, film FHL 183,285) It is unknown whether there was a blood relationship between Edward Harris of Newbern, NC and  James Harris of Madison Co., KY; however, Edward Harris is not named in the will of Christopher Harris I of Madison Co." This James Harris, son of Samuel and Rebecca Morrison Harris, was the brother of Judge Edward Harris of Newbern, NC. Judge Edward Harris died intestate and had no children.  James Harris who married Susannah Gass died in Franklin County, Tennessee.  Judge Edward Harris was a large land owner, and many deeds are of record with his heirs signing. Ann Gary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I most sincerely apologize for the format my previous postings 'acquired' after leaving my computer.  I am computer illiterate, but not quite that bad. Mrs. Wallace is very correct in her posting regarding Susannah Gass.   James HARRIS Son of Samuel and Rebecca Morrison HARRIS Grandson of James and Mary McIlhenny Harris Great grandson of Robert and Dorothy Wiley Harris Great, great grandson of Edward Harris and Flora Douglas (Assisted in this research by Ed Lee, descendant of son Samuel, brother to James Harris) JAMES HARRIS was born 24 Aug 1759 in Mecklenburg , North Carolina , and died 29 Sep 1830 in Franklin County , Tennessee .   He married Susannah GASS, daughter of David and Sarah Gass, on 2 Dec 1790 in Madison County, Kentucky (Marriage Records for Madison County, Kentucky Volume III Letters G, H, I, J 1790-1843). Buried in Old Bean's Creek Cemetery, "A large cemetery with many field stones." Inscription #39: to the memory of James Harris a Revolutioner who departed this life Sept. the 29th, 1830, Aged 71 years." From Cemetery Records, Franklin County, TN, complied by Franklin County Historical Society, 1986.                                               WILL OF JAMES HARRIS               Will Record Book 1808-1876, Page 89 Franklin Co TN Archives “From the various changes of providence and the mortality of things, I, James Harris of Franklin County and State of Tennessee calling to mind the mortality of my body and that it is appointed for all men once to die and it being my desire that the smallest might be as respect my worldly affairs I have constituted and ordained this to be my last Will and Testament and it is my Will and desire that my property and effects be disposed of in the following manner, viz: I bequeath to my dear Wife Susannah the plantation on which I now live estimated two hundred and thirty acres with all the negros now in my possession, also all my farming utensils and tools of every description, also all my household furniture and kitchen implements with all my stock of horses, cattle, sheep and hogs to remain in my dear Wife Susannah’s possession, care and management during her lifetime or widowhood for the use and support of the widow and family which are now unmarried and at home with her.   I further will and desire at the death of my Wife Susannah the negros with their increase be divided between my three Sons Samuel, David, and James also that the plantation with all the tools stock etc as above described remain in the possession of the unmarried part of the Family for their use and support so long as they may think proper to live on the plantation but so soon as they unanimously agree to live on it no longer it shall be sold and the proceeds equally divided amongst all my children viz. Sarah, Rebecca, Samuel, Marthy, Mary, Rhoda, David, Susannah and James and all the balance of personal property and household furniture then belonging to the plantation shall be divided equally between the unmarried children.   I also will and desire that if at any time any time any of the stock or perishable property should become troublesome, expensive or useless to them it shall be sold and the money appropriated to the use to the use of the Widdow and Family. I do further Will and desire that if any of my children should think proper to marry that they shall receive their proportions of the Stock, household furniture and possessions which may be on hand to be given at the discretion of the widow and Executors. I do hereby constitute and appoint my dear wife Susannah and my three sons, Samuel Harris, David G. Harris and James B. Harris Executors of this my last Will and Testament. In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my Seal this Thirtieth day of May in the year of our Lord One Thousand Eight Hundred and Twenty Eight.                                                      James Harris     (Seal) Signed & Sealed in the presence of Test M. B. Feamster __ah John O. Feamster __ah State of Tennessee    )   November Court Term 1830 Franklin County      (   This the within Last Will and Testament ofJames Harris Decd was duly proven in open Court by the oath of M. B. Feamster and John O. Feamster subscribing witnesses thereto and ordered to be recorded Given my hand at office this 22 nd day of November 1830.                                            Ed Russell Clk. Recorded in my office this 17 th of January 1831.                                            Ed Russell Clk.   LAND RECORDS:   Madison Co., Ky. , Bk. E, pg. 371--Edward Harris of Newbern ( New Bern ), N. Carolina to James Harris, land in Madison on Muddy Creek, 750 acres granted said Edward Harris by patent Jan. 21, 1797 .  Dated Aug. 20, 1798 (filed 14 Oct 1802 ) Witnesses: James Harris, Archibald Harris and Andrew Province   Dec 1, 1800 . James Harris conveyed 180 acres to Higgason Grubbs, all his right to land on west side of Muddy Creek, granted to Edward Harris and conveyed by Edward Harris to James Harris. Bk E, pg 95 Sept. 25, 1807 . James Harris, John Mitchell and David Gass, executed a power of attorney to John Gass, of Bourbon County , Ky. to prosecute suits etc. in their name etc.   Bk F, pg 475   Oct. 5, 1807 . James Harris and wife Susannah, executed a quit claim deed to David Gass, as heir of David Gass, sr., deceased to land on Silver Creek. Bk F, Pg 483 Oct 5, 1807 , James Harris and wife Susannah, conveyed 500 acres Muddy Creek                                        to Philip H. Goodman Bk F, pg 499 Oct. 16, 1807 . They conveyed to James White 60 acres on the east side of Muddy Creek Bk F, pg 510 Dec 1, 1800 . James Harris conveyed 180 acres to Higgason Grubbs, all his right to land on west side of Muddy Creek, granted to Edward Harris and conveyed by Edward Harris to James Harris. Bk E, pg 95 Sept. 25, 1807 . James Harris, John Mitchell and David Gass, executed a power of attorney to John Gass, of Bourbon County , Ky. to prosecute suits etc. in their name etc.   Bk F, pg 475 Oct. 5, 1807 . James Harris and wife Susannah, executed a quit claim deed to David Gass, as heir of David Gass, sr., deceased to land on Silver Creek. Bk F,Pg 483   Oct 5, 1807 , James Harris and wife Susannah, conveyed 500 acres Muddy Creek                                        to Philip H. Goodman Bk F, pg 499 Oct. 16, 1807 . They conveyed to James White 60 acres on the east side of Muddy Creek Bk F, pg 510 James and Susannah left Kentucky after Fall, 1807 and prior to birth of James Bright Harris September, 1809 as he was born in Middle Tennessee.  It is probable that all other children were born in Kentucky.   History of Shelby County , Tennessee (Goodspeed, 1887) (page 789) "But long previous to this treaty North Carolina , while Tennessee was yet under territorial government, made numerous large grants to individuals, mostly at the rate of £10 for every 100 acres so granted. The - first grant recorded in the register's books of Shelby County is North Carolina Grant No. 17 , to Samuel HARRIS for 5,000 acres, lying on the North Fork of Looshatchie River, near the mouth of that fork and adjoining Grant No. 1010 to John McKnitt Alexander, and Grant No. 572 to Robert Goodloe; Grant No. 561," .   Deed Record, Book F&K, page 198 Franklin County Archives, Tennessee WD from James Harris to daughter, Sarah: This Indenture made this eighth day of November Eighteen hundred and twenty five Between James HARRIS Senior of the County of Franklin and State of Tennessee of the one part and Sarah HARRIS of the County and State aforesaid of the other part, Witnesseth:   That the said James HARRIS Snr for and in consideration of the love esteem good will affection which I have and do bear towards my well beloved Daughter, the Said Sarah HARRIS have given granted aliened and confirmed and by these presents do freely give grant alien and confirm unto her the Said Sarah HARRIS her heirs and assigns forever, One certain tract or parcel of land containing one hundred and twenty five acres, Situated lying and being in Shelby County on the waters of Looshatchey it being part of a tract originally granted to Samuel Harris Senior dec’d, and bounded as follows, to wit: Beginning on the South boundary line of the Original Survey on James HARRIS Senior South East corner and William Harris Senior South West corner, Thence North four hundred and Eleven poles to a Stake and corner of Furgus S. HARRIS one hundred and twenty five acre tract and Thence West forty eight and three fourth poles to a Stake Thence South four hundred and eleven poles to a Stake in the South boundary line of the Original Survey Thence with said line East to the Beginning, containing one hundred and twenty five acres the Same being a part of five thousand acre tract originally granted to Samuel HARRIS by Grant No. 17. To hold to the said Sarah HARRIS the aforesaid one hundred twenty five acres together with all and singular the appurtenances thereunto belonging or in any wise appertaining to her, her heirs and assigns forever. In witness whereof the said James HARRIS hath set my hand and seal the day and date above written in presence of                                                                           James HARRIS   (Seal) James B. HARRIS Legnand W. KING   State of Tennessee     (         February Term   1817 Franklin County        )         Then the within deed of conveyance from James HARRIS to Sarah                                  HARRIS was duly proven in open Court by the oaths of James B. HARRIS and Legnand W. KING subscribing witnesses thereto and ordered to be Registered.   Let it be registered                                                                             E. Russell      clerk Registered this 1 st day of March 1817, Soloman Wagner, Register                                                        By W. B. Wagner, D.R.   Franklin County Archives, Tennessee Deed Record Book O, pages 237-238    Know all men by these presence that whereas JAMES HARRIS by his last Will and Testament bearing date the thirtieth day of May One thousand eight hundred and twenty eight and which has been regularly proven and recorded ___  and did by said will and Testament give and bequeath unto me,DAVID G. HARRIS, one third part of all his personal property consisting in Negroes, Horses, Cattle, Hogs and Farming utensils which was to remain in the hands of his wife, SUSANNAH HARRIS during her life time and at or after her death to be divided equally between his Three sons SAMUEL HARRIS,   JAMES and DAVID G. HARRIS (myself) and also one ninth part of the land where on the said widow SUSANNAH HARRIS now lives estimated at Two hundred and thirty nine acres as the will and Testament will more plainly show.   Now the consideration of this obligation is such that whereas I the said DAVID G. HARRIS did on the second day of March One thousand eight-hundred and thirty four borrowed Four Thousand Dollars from one Moses L. Barr and the said SAMUEL HARRIS and JAMES B. HARRIS becoming security for me and the said SAMUEL HARRIS having to pay One Thousand Dollars as security on said am’t borrowed from said Moses L. Barr and the said DAVID G. HARRIS having no other way of compensating the said SAMUEL HARRIS and I, D. G. H. hath _______ assigned, sold, transferred and conveyed and by these presence doth grant, bargain, sell and convey unto the said SAMUEL HARRIS, his heirs executors assigns and administrators all the right title claim and interest that I the said D. G. HARRIS have in and to said personal property and real estate as willed to me by my father, JAMES HARRIS to his use and benefit forever. Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal this twenty-fifth day of May One thousand eight hundred and thirty five.    Pres (?)  __L. Baker                                                       DAVID G. HARRIS (Seal) State of Tennessee, Franklin County    Personally appeared before me Wille B. Wagner, Clerk of the County Court of said County the within named DAVID G. HARRIS, the bargainer with whom I am personally acquainted and who acknowledged that he executed the within Deed for the purposes therein contained.   Witness my hand at office this 1st day of June A.D. 1835.                                                                     W. B. Wagner, Clerk Registered in my office this 3rd day of June 1835.                                                                   Solomon Wagner, Register                                                                 By W. B. Wagner, D.R Copied from Deed Record Book P, page 178 Franklin County, Tennessee This Indenture made and entered into this Twenty-sixth day of April in the year of our Lord One Thousand Eight Hundred and Thirty Six between James B. Harris, Executor of the last Will and Testament of James Harris of the one part and John L. Keith of the other part, both of the County of Franklin and State of Tennessee, Witnesseth that, Whereas by the last Will and Testament of the said James Harris he devised to his wife Susannah Harris the plantation on which he lived immediately previous to his death for her life to be held by her for the support of herself and the unmarried part of his family during her life and after her death to remain in the possession of the unmarried part of the family for their use and support so long as they may think proper to live on the plantation, but so soon as they unanimously agree to live on it no longer it shall be sold and, Whereas the said Susannah together with all the UNMARRIED part or members of the family of the said James Harris Decd, to wit:  DAVID G. HARRIS,James B. Harris, REBECCA HARRIS and Mary Harris have unanimously agreed to live on said land no longer which is evidenced by their deed to the said John L. Keith dated the Twentieth day of March one thousand Eight Hundred and thirty six by which they have conveyed all their interest in the said tract of land to the said Keith, Now therefore in consideration of the premises and in consideration of the sum of twenty Five hundred dollars paid or Secured to be paid by the said John L. Keith the said James B. Harris Executor as aforesaid by nature of the before recited clause in the Will of the said James Harris Decd, have granted bargained and sold and by these presents do grant, bargain and sell to the said John L. Keith the aforesaid tract of land Lying in the County of Franklin and State of Tennessee on the waters of Cove Spring Creek, the same being a part of an eight hundred acre tract granted to Edward Harris, Decd and deeded by the heirs of Edward Harris, Decd to James Harris and bounded as follows: Beginning at the South east Corner of said Original tract and running North with a line thereof two Hundred poles to two black oaks the South West corner of a Two Hundred acre tract deeded by the heirs of said Edward Harris to Robert McCord now owned by Sam’l A. Harris, Thence east five and an half degrees north two hundred and seventy poles, to said Robert McCord’s South East corner, the East boundary line of the original Tract Thence South_____ with the meanders of a Spur of Cumberland mountain and the line of the original tract to a persimmon and Elm a corner thereof Thence with an other Said lines West to the beginning, Containing 249 acres  ______ the same more or less. TO HAVE AND TO HOLD, all and singular the said land and bargained premises with the appurtenance to the said John L. Keith, his heirs and assigns forever and the said James B. Harris doth hereby warrant the title of the said Land and bar- gained premises against the claim of the heirs or devices of the said James Harris, Decd and the claim of any person or persons claiming by through or under them or other of them. In Testimony whereof the said James B. Harris hath hereunto subscribed his name and offered his Seal the day and year first above written.  Signed, sealed and delivered in presence of: W. Green Jno Dehend                                           James B. Harris, Exe (Seal) State of Tennessee Franklin County,      Personally appeared before me William W. Brazetton, Clerk of the County Court of said County, James B. Harris, the bargainer named in the foregoing deed with whom I am personally acquainted and who acknowledged that he executed the deed for the purposes therein contained. Witnesseth my hand at office the 27th day of April A.D. 1836.                                                             Solomon Wagner, Register                                                             By W. B. Wagner, D.R.       NOTE:  James B. was married; included as he was Executor. The Land Patent following issued to David GASS Harris verifies that Susannah, wife of James Harris (son of Samuel and Rebecca Morrison Harris) was in fact a GASS.       Note: I have been unable to 'copy and paste' the original, hand written Patent. You may read the original by going to http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/search/default.aspx. Do a search in Arkansas, Washington County for Harris only. Then on David G. Harris click Image on the extreme left for AR0940 .085 David G. Harris. You will also find on this page James B. Harris and Samuel Harris. THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA Certificate ) No 4670 ) To all to whom these Presents shall come, Greeting: WHEREAS David Gass (written in the old style 'f') Harris of Washington County Arkansas has deposited in the GENERAL LAND OFFICE of the United States, a Certificate of REGISTER OF THE LAND OFFICE at Fayetteville whereby it appears that full payment has been made by the said David Gass Harris according to the provisions of the Act of Congress of the 24th of April 1820, entitled "An Act making further provision for the sale of the Public Lands," for the West half of the South West quarter, of Section Twenty in Township Eighteen North of Range Twenty Eight West, in the District of Lands subject to Sale at Fayetteville Arkansas containing Eighty acres. according to the official plat of the survey of said Lands, return to the General Land Office by the SURVEYOR GENERAL, which said tract has been purchased by the said David Gass Harris. NOW KNOW YE, That the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, in consideration of the Premises, and in conformity with the several acts of Congress, in such case made and provided, HAVE GIVEN AND GRANTED, and by these presents DO GIVE AND GRANT, unto the said David Gass Harris and to his heirs, the said tract above described TO HAVE AND TO HOLD the same, together with all the rights, privileges, immunities, and appurtenances of whatsoever nature belonging, unto the said David Gass Harris and to his heirs and assigns forever. IN TESTIMONY WHEREOF, I, James K. Polk, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, have caused these Letters to be made PATENT, and the SEAL of the GENERAL LAND OFFICE to be hereunto affixed. GIVEN under my hand, at the CITY OF WASHINGTON, the tenth day of July in the Year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and Forty eight and of the INDEPENDENCE OF THE UNITED STATES the Seventy Third. BY THE PRESIDENT, James K. Polk By J H Stephens Asst Sec'y T. H. Laughlin, RECORDER of the General Land Office. My purpose in these 4 postings in detail is to prove: 1. The Rebecca Harris who married Bailey Dent around 1815-18 in Kentucky was not the daughter of James and Susannah Gass Harris as she was still single when the above deed was made in 1836 in Tennessee. 2. That James Harris, son of Samuel and Rebecca Morrison Harris, married Susannah GASS. It is my opinion the LAND PATENT issued to DAVID GASS HARRIS is documented proof. Thank you all for your indulgence in my long postings. Should anyone wish an entire file, please contact my directly at bbteam@centurylink.net. Ann Gary Group 3, Kit #58520