In response to the query cited below. Unfortunately, most of the pre-Civil War records of Hanover Co. VA have been burned at the end of Civil; War during the *evacuation fire* at the wharves set by the Confederates as Richmond was being taken over by the Union forces.  The fires reached the Archives where the Hanover (and other counties) records had been moved for *safekeeping*.  (Source:  Robert Young Clay, now deceased archivist at LVA, in a lecture for a Richmond conference of Rose family, as I remember.) However, my recent discovery is that familysearch.org has digitized the vestry book for colonial Hanover Co.  It is about 600 pages, and there is an index--but, as you know because of your librarian training--the index is at the very end.  The author is C. Chamberlayne.  Go to the FHL catalog website and either do an author search or a place search (Hanover) Everyone, unless excused by the vestry, had to pay tithes to the Anglican church, and the church had many civic duties besides the payment of tithes.  It was the welfare dept., the processing body, etc.  Until after the American Revolution, an LVA archivist said, The Anglican church was the official church of Virginia. (same source:  Robert Young Clay) Louisa Co. was formed from Hanover Co., and Mrs. Rosalie Edith Davis of near St. Louis MO transcribed many of those Louisa Co. early records, including for Fredericksville Parish.  (I wonder if these booklets, inexpensive but thorough, are held by the Library of Congress, which has a vast genealogical library.) Rosalie Edith Davis of or near Manchester, Mo, some years ago transcribed some of the few remaining court records of Hanover Co., but her website no longer responds to e-mails.  However, some Davis heir, it seems, has taken over, but I do not know the URL.  Someone sent it to me, but I have lost that address.  Maybe google.com can help.  If not, call the St. Louis, MO county library [not city of St. Louis] and ask if they have the current URL for Mrs. Davis.  Talk to the genealogy section which handles the NGS library holdings now. In between medical appointments (or telephone calls to medical personnel) I will be sending info on unorganized info I have of early Harrises of New Kent, Hanover, and Louisa Cos, VA.  My typing has slowed down because of chemotherapy treatments causing neuropathy in my right hand.  Doctor has given me a ray of hope, however--so we will see. Do not overlook the VA land patents of Harrises in the right place at the right time--and the land patents of their neighbors (cluster genealogy--as these folks clustered together, even in migrating). Books entitled Cavaliers and Pioneers will help immensely, but the Library of Virginia has digitized what earlier had been the LVA card catalog for VA land patents.  The earliest volumes of C&P by Nell Marion Nugent may be at your local library.  Check the online catalog and learn what is available locally. Use search engine google.com for Library of Virginia to get current URL for their website.  Then when the alpha index for LVA appears, check the L list for Land records including the words *Northern Neck Land Grants* [the Fairfax proprietary]. The colonial land records will be way at the end, as the newest ones [even in the 21st century] appear first.  I like the Cavaliers and Pioneers books [8 volumes now, the last five published in the last decade or so by the The Virginia Genealogical Society] as they have indexes for place names and watercourse names.  Unlike New Englanders, our Virginia ancestors lived on isolated plantations and not in villages.  Living styles were different in the south--probably a root cause for the un-Civil War. The other night, while watching the kinda boring boob-tube, I searched the patents in C&P for Elk Creek in or near colonial Hanover Co. (or was it New Kent Co?)  I found a William Harris and neighbors, but I think an article in a long-ago Virginia Genealogist stated that this William Harris, associated with an Alves family, was NOT of the same William Harris whose wife is said to be Temperance Overton.  (Why genealogy is so challenging!) Search the familyhistory.org link to the library catalog for the surname Overton.  While there may be errors, there are enough clues that one may use these Overton clues as springboards for further (challenging) research. I think FHL in SLC may have digitized the Overton genealogy by an author named Anderson.  Remember--colonial VA marriages generally occurred among neighbors.  Transportation was generally by water.  A lot of Virginia below the *fall* line was swampy, infested by animals and native Americans, etc.  Tobacco barrels [hogsheads?] were generally rolled to the nearest navigable watercourse.  E.W.Wallace ________________________________ From: Pam Stone <pamstone@cfl.rr.com> To: harris-hunters@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Benjamin Harrises Hi, all, Been off this list for a time ordering new records for the descendants of Benjamin (d. 1762) & Sarah Dumas Harris (d. 1780), Hanover Co., VA, and am just now gathering together all of the information on all of the numerous descendants of Obediah Harris (1741-1830, the oldest  child of Benjamin & Sarah Dumas Harris) and Rebecca Johnson Harris (1742- 1801, the daughter of David & Mary Woody Johnson.) (This family traces to Harris DNA Group 6.) It may take me some time to compile all the descendants of Benjamin & Sarah, but I will be communicating further information on their lines. Pam ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

THE CHRONICLES OF AMERICA SERIES, Allen Johnson, Editor PIONEERS OF THE OLD SOUTH A Chronicles of English Colonial Beginnings by Mary Johnston Copyright 1918, by Yale University Press New Haven: Yale University Press Chapter VII: YOUNG VIRGINIA, Page 100 "In 1621 Yeardley, desiring to be relieved, was succeeded by Sir Francis Wyatt. In October the new Governor came from England in the GEORGE, and with him a goodly company. Page 114 "Virginians were already preparing for an expansion to the north. There was a man in Virginia named William Claiborne. This individual --- able, determined, self-reliant, energetic --- had come in as a young man, with the title of surveyor general for the Company, in the ship that brought Sir Francis Wyatt, just before the massacre of 1622" ************************* Among the persons brought over by William Claiborne was William Harris. William Harris was part of the surveying party of Secretary Claiborne. For the next several years, William Harris was busy taking care of the affairs of Secretary Claiborne, surveying and dealing in land, around Jamestown. Among the very sparse land records about Jamestown, his name is mentioned. Ira L. Harris III Member, Group 6, Harris Y-DNA Family Study Line of Robert Harris of Ware Creek, New Kent County, Virginia

Hi, all, Been off this list for a time ordering new records for the descendants of Benjamin (d. 1762) & Sarah Dumas Harris (d. 1780), Hanover Co., VA, and am just now gathering together all of the information on all of the numerous descendants of Obediah Harris (1741-1830, the oldest child of Benjamin & Sarah Dumas Harris) and Rebecca Johnson Harris (1742- 1801, the daughter of David & Mary Woody Johnson.) (This family traces to Harris DNA Group 6.) It may take me some time to compile all the descendants of Benjamin & Sarah, but I will be communicating further information on their lines. Pam

Thanks, Evelyn. As you suggested, I found the Vestry Book for Hanover County, Virginia at the LDS familysearch.org website. Go to: www.familysearch.org Then to: Books Then type in: Hanover Virginia Quite a number of references will come up, including: Hanover County chancery wills and notes : a compendium of genealogical, biographical and historical material as contained in cases of the chancery suits of Hanover County, Virginia and The vestry book of St. Paul's Parish, Hanover County, Virginia, 1706-1786 and many more references. Most of these resources look like they have been digitized and are online. Click on the place under each entry where it says: Details Then click on the link that says: Link to Resource --Glenn

At the LDS FamilySearch.org site, I found some additional records on Harrises. Go to: www.familysearch.org Then go to: United States Then: Virginia, Historical Society Papers, 1607-2007 Then: Genealogical notes, 1607-Present Then: Hamm - Harrison Then start at image 503 which is the start of an old manuscript on the Harris, Claiborne, and Overton families.

At the LDS FamilySearch.org site, I found a copy of the Bible record for William Harris md. Keziah Snead (I believe this is the same Bible record that is part of his Revolutionary War file). You can find this and other early Virginia Harris records here. Go to: www.familysearch.org Then go to: United States Then: Virginia, Historical Society Papers, 1607-2007 Then: Bible Records, 1700-1900 Then: Box 33, Hagey-Harris Then go to images 187-218. The William Harris/Keziah Snead family Bible records start at image 198.

In June of 2003 I posted several of the land patents from Cavaliers & Pioneers by Nell Marion Nugent. They were selected from Volumes I, II, and III. If I recall correctly, there have been additional volumes published since then. So, you may want to dig into the Harris-Hunters Archives and look around. The Archives are not simply queries. Much information has also been stored there. Ira L. Harris III Member Group 6, Harris Y-DNA Family Study Line of Robert Harris of Ware Creek, New Kent County, Virginia

Dear Glenn, Thanks a lot for your postings of discoveries on familysearch.org. I hope others will make discoveries on familysearch.org of digitized records.  And post them on whatever rootsweb they subscribe to.  A lot of us are no doubt cousins as there were LOTS of Harrises in colonial Virginia. And there are a good many listed in the indexes of publications of Granville Co. NC.  (In the early days, says Mrs. Helen Leary, expert on NC genealogy, all of the northern part of North Carolina was Granville Co.) Some of the later Harrises, related to Major Robert Harris of colonial. Louisa Co., surveyor, are found in nearby Southern colonies. They are Christopher Harris of Albemarle Co., VA but by 1787 tax lists of personal property, he is also owning personal property in Madison Co., KY.  That is where he died.  The book by Hazel A. Spraker called The Boone Family has a good deal about Christopher's large family (by two wives) and their mates. (Published personal property [not real estate] tax lists of 1787, which includes Kentucky and whatever other land Virginia claimed in 1787 have been published by Netti Schreiner-Yantis and Florine S. Love some years ago.  Many University libraries may have these expensive three volumes, the third volume being an index to the preceding two volumes.) If readers have access through their local (or nearby) library or to their State Library of the digitized database called HeritageQuest, they will find a good deal in The Boone Family about some Kentucky Harrises of early date, particularly Christopher and his family and their mates. Another son of Major Robert Harris (found in transcriptions of early Louisa Co. VA records) was Tyree Harris.  He and his first wife, said to be Elizabeth, went to colonial Orange Co., NC, part of which became Caswell Co. NC in 1777.  He was involved in politics in both places. The Colonial and State Papers of North Carolina have been digitized by the Univ. of North Carolina and are free to search.  The index is kind of clunky, but there IS an index, and one might find other Harris males besides Tyree in the index.  There are 20-26 volumes, and the volumes listed at the beginning of the series indicate the dates. Tyree's second wife, in Caswell Co., was one of several daughters of Richard Simpson and his wife Mary Kincheloe, both formerly of Fairfax Co., VA but later of Orange Co. NC.  One of the sons of this second marriage was Simpson Harris. (Richard Simpson was another of my ancestors.  One of his daughters (he had many)was married to Jesse Oldham, probably originally of Prince William Co., VA but later also found in Orange Co. NC court records and later in Caswell Co. and still later in Madison Co. KY.  Jesse's name pops up once in a while in Lyman C. Draper's Kentucky Papers.  He seems to have stayed in North Carolina during the American Revolution. E. W. Wallace

For some of us Harris-Hunters, (of colonial Virginia) we need to keep track of families with the surname Overton, as one of the Harris wives was Temperance Overton, and she is buried (at least there is a tombstone, now literally destroyed)near Doswell in Hanover Co, VA. I will not quote the long Virginia land patent quoted in Cavaliers and Pioneers, Vol.II, p. 218-219. Patent for William Overton and Evan Jones dated 23 Apr 1681. For those who use the ONLINE database of land patents on the Library of Virginia website, do a search for either Evan Jones [definitely a name with Welch origins] or William Overton.  You are looking for a land patent for 4600 acres in New Kent Co. south side of Pamunkey [spelled Pomunky Riv.] 23 Apr 1681.    In C&P, there is a LONG list of imported persons under the patentees' names.  The oldest VA land patents will beat the end of the online list.  The newest VA land patents [some in the 21 century]will appear first. I spot in C&P in the long list or transported persons several persons with surnames matching those of the patentees.  The others, not named Jones or Overton, may have become indentured servants, to repay the *transporters* for their costs in transporting these early Virginians. One historian at a nearby branch of U of Calif said in a long-ago lecturer that about 75% of Chesapeake area (now encompassed by several states) were indentured. Reminder:  Look at a recent atlas for Virginia (or use google--probably google.earth--and locate Pamunkey River in present day Virginia.  It is a longish river and eventually empties into York River.  Hanover Co. was formed 1721 from New Kent.  Unfortunately, I am reading in Dr. George K. Schweitzer's handy book Virginia Genealogical Research [Chatanooga, TN: 1995] that most of New Kent's records have been destroyed and so have those of Hanover Co.   However, there may be some hope in the vestry book, which Family History Library (catalog section) states is online at familysearch.org.  Find this record at the URL given and see if you can read it at home. See bottom of this message. The vestry book for Hanover Co. has indexes and the index for the surname Harris is page 628 (see left side of screen on the FHL catalog website.  Page 18 has the first entry for William Harris, and the name Alvis is also listed.  According to a long-ago article in The Virginia Genealogist, this William Harris is NOT the one associated with Temperance Overton. (More research for some of you!) E.W.Wallace On the FHL website, look for the word catalog.  Look for church records and you will find this. The vestry book of St. Paul's Parish, Hanover County, Virginia, 1706-1786 author:Chamberlayne, C. G. (Churchill Gibson), 1876-1939 availability:Online

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When posting regarding Joel Harris my word text doc. was converted to show ? marks for qoutation marks and also in some places for hyphens as well. Below I have tried to correct and put correct puncuation marks , hope this turns out better. My apologies Hi to all I had posted to the list some years ago regarding the chancery cause of 1828/29 in Southampton Co Va. and what I noted was a very different set of facts than had been assumed. This was regarding the estate of "Lewis Harris the Elder" I had obtained the ENTIRE chancery cause(numerous pages) 10 years ago from microfilm on one of my several visits to the Lib. Of Va. and not just relying on the decree that was the only part published in the magazine I had some real issues with Joel Harris son of Edward and Mary Thorpe Harris (later Myrick) being the father of the 10 siblings. Others had issues with trying to determine the father of Olive named in Mary Myrick's will and still others had different problems since Joel, above, had somehow been determined to be the father. Rightfully, they could not get facts to add up if this Joel had been their father. Another decided that the Joel of Edward and Mary went to NC died there many years later and that practically the entire number of children over the years would straggle back into Sourthampton to marry over the period of years between 1770's and at least the late1780's. . The same one also decided that Joel was still a minor and someone had to admin. his part of his father's estate and that was the reason for item #10 below. The "dc'd" behind the name shows clearly that important clues were overlooked, ignored, or this person did not actually look at the record and relied on someone else's work which was not verified. Whatever the case, the Joel for whom Mary relinquished her rights was DEFINATELY DEAD. Joel Harris, son of Edward and Mary Thorp Harris Myrick, has been cited as the father of the 10 siblings named in the initial suit/ Chancery cause of 1828 & 29. in Southampton Va.However, there is evidence that he was NOT the father. Below are the reasons why ,based on actual hands on research over a period of many years. I can pretty much recite from memory names , general dates etc. of pretty much all the Harrises (cousins included) around Southampton and other names as well. Far more than I ever wanted or needed to know. Keep in mind that new year was not what it is today and dates from Jan, to March usually have one year with slash and then next year. Ex.1749/50 . In many countries and regions the new year had started on Jan.1 for over a century(some longer) but England and its dominions did not start change from March to January 1 until 1752 . For that reason dates for those months included both years in some of the records. Joel's years of birth range from 1718- 1728 based on father?s will and his apparently being of age in later Southampton court records. 1) We know that Joel born to Edward and Mary was a minor when his father wrote his will in 1739 in Isle of Wight Co. Va. Per his will , he named Joel and Lewis as not of age. 2) Joel would have been BORN LATER than circa 1718 to have been under 21 at the time his father wrote his will in 1739. 3)Southampton Co. Virginia was created from a portion of Isle of Wight in 1749 4)In 1749 Lewis Harris (brother of the above Joel) was appointed Constable in Southampton Co. per court order book 1 I could not find another Lewis there at the same time. To be 21 at appointment he could not have been born later that 1728 or born earlier than circa 1718 to have been a minor in his father's will. 5) Joel Harris is sued by David Adams dc'd estate Dec. 14, 1749 Southampton Order Bk. 1 but is dismissed for want of prosecution (would have been of age to be sued) 6) Joel Harris gives oath March 8, 1749/50 Court Order Bk 1 p. 39 between Edmund Pate and William Rose.(again would have to be of age to give oath) 7)Joel Harris paid on Ap(April) 26, 1750 1 pd. 2shilling debt to the estate pf Col. John Simmons dc'd Southampton Will Bk. 1 pp 61-64(his pmt. noted on page 61) brother Lewis is on p. 64 same large estate record. 8) Joel Harris is appointed Constable Aug. 9, 1750 Southampton Order Bk. 1 p.79 . There is only one Joel mentioned in Southampton Co. records at this time. To have been constable he would have been born NO LATER than 1829. 9) June 13, 1750 Deed Bk 1 p 143 The property line of Joell Harris is mentioned in the deed of another person on 3 Creeks 10)This is where the life of Joel Harris ends and the business related to his death begins. Recorded Jan. 10, 1750/51 Southampton Court Order Bk. 1 p.127 is the following : Owen and Mary Myrick relinquish their" right" of administration of the estate of "Joel Harris dc'd" to Edward Harris. The keyword here may be RIGHT as I cannot locate an order giving her admin. and if he died without surviving wife or children then Mary(his mother) was his closest relative with the right. There is absolutely no guardian bond or any mention anywhere for children's part among any court records or protection of any minors rights or sums given from an estate to raise them anywhere. In the many years of court records for Southampton after 1750 out of 10 children there would definately have been something 11) Edward Harris assumes role as administrator of estate of "Joel Harris dc'd" Jan. 10, 1750/51 Southampton Court Order Bk. 1 p. 127 just under the relinquishment by Owen & Mary Myrick. 12)An order to appraise the "real and personal estate" of "Joell Harris decea'd" is ordered Jan. 10, 1750/51 per Southampton Court Order Bk. 1 p. 128 13) Court Order Bk 1 p. 298 is found 2 entries Edward Harris as admin. of "Joel Harris dece'd" is awarded debt from John Rose and 2 items down on same page Edward as admin of "Joel Harris dec'd" sued William Spence to collect debt owed estate. After this the name Joel Harris disappears for a number of years until: 14) Court Minute Book 1790-93(pages numbered oddly) back of page 86 and page 87 we find where the exc. of Amos Harris dc'd asking a stay in the proceedings of a judgement against them obtained by "Edward Harris admin. of Joel Harris dc'd", Edward asks the same and it is granted.. From Edward's records and his apparent problems(many) with estates for others it is entirely possible that this is EXACTLY the same JOEL years later. I have never located a final accounting and I think that perhaps his land may have been absorbed into lands of a family member. No deed of Joel's land being conveyed at any time, at least not in his or his estate's name. The "deceased" cannot be any clearer than items 10-14 He cannot become any more dead than this. How is it possible that a minor in 1739 attained his majority , married and managed to have 10 children (of the suit)WITH ALL 10 LIVING TO HAVE FAMILIES and then die about 1750 . No orphans bonds, no guardian bonds located., no estate distributed, nothing. The odds of having 10 children to be born and live to adulthood and not having some losses of other children in infancy would have not have been consistent with the times and to have lost some children (as infants) would have made the total children even higher in the span of 10 years???? Not only that but at least 2 of the daughters assigned to him did not marry until the 1780's (one in 1782 and another in 1786) , which if they were Joel's they would have been in their upper 30's , closer to 40 and still managed to have large families. These marriages are recorded in Southampton. Many of the accepted and now numerously published reports and genealogies do not add with the facts if they assign the Joel of Edward Harris and Mary to the siblings in the suit. While some of the sons and sons-in-law of Edward and Mary bought and sold land in NC, deeds show that they were of Southampton Co. As a matter of fact I cannot find any evidence that the sons or daughters of Edward and Mary ever actually lived in NC Some of the grandchildren and many of the cousins(some of like names) lived in NC but the names of Edward and Mary's children appear consistently over the years in Southampton. They inventoried estates (which would have been impractical if you were living in another state) ,even down to plates and hogs, were present at estate sales and left trails regarding their own estates. I have been at work steadily on the probable father of the 10 children of chancery suit , ruling out many and that will come soon after exhausting all other possibilities. Hint: people often married more than once and when more uncommon names can be definately associated with one (in their later years) then likely there were 2 marriages. There is some indication that some of the Harrises were Quakers , others either not practicing or were of another faith. Hope this helps someone Mary

Glen, do you have information about Archelaus Harris after moving to Wilkes Co, Ga? Thank you , Edna eddiemm@gulftel.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn G" <archives_guy@hotmail.com> To: "Harris Hunters" <harris-hunters@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] A Tidbit about Archelelaus Harris > > In checking the DAR Patriot Index: > > http://services.dar.org/public/dar_research/search/?Tab_ID=1 > > > > They do list Archelaus Harris as a patriot, but not for signing this > bond. Instead it is for providing supplies for the continental army in > Virginia during the Revolutionary War. > > > > One source for his providing supplies is: > > Virginia Publick Claims by Abercrombie & Slatten, Vol, 2, p. 626. > > > > Three different people have joined the DAR and each follow a lineage that > comes through Archelaus Harris, b. > 5-9-1736, d. 9-30-1792 Wilkes Co., GA; md. Frances/Fanny Smith. > > Then through their daughter, Nancy/Ann Harris md. Hickerson Cosby. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi to all I had posted to the list some years ago regarding the chancery cause of 1828/29 in Southampton Co Va. and what I noted was a very different set of facts than had been assumed. This was regarding the estate of "Lewis Harris the Elder" I had obtained the ENTIRE chancery cause(numerous pages) 10 years ago from microfilm on one of my several visits to the Lib. Of Va. and not just relying on the decree that was the only part published in the magazine I had some real issues with Joel Harris son of Edward and Mary Thorpe Harris (later Myrick) being the father of the 10 siblings. Others had issues with trying to determine the father of Olive named in Mary Myrick's will and still others had different problems since Joel, above, had somehow been determined to be the father. Rightfully, they could not get facts to add up if this Joel had been their father. Another decided that the Joel of Edward and Mary went to NC died there many years later and that practically the entire number of children over the years would straggle back into Sourthampton to marry over the period of years between 1770's and at least the late1780's. . The same one also decided that Joel was still a minor and someone had to admin. his part of his father's estate and that was the reason for item #10 below. The "dc'd" behind the name shows clearly that important clues were overlooked, ignored, or this person did not actually look at the record and relied on someone else's work which was not verified. Whatever the case, the Joel for whom Mary relinquished her rights was DEFINATELY DEAD. Joel Harris, son of Edward and Mary Thorp Harris Myrick, has been cited as the father of the 10 siblings named in the initial suit/ Chancery cause of 1828 & 29. in Southampton Va.However, there is evidence that he was NOT the father. Below are the reasons why ,based on actual hands on research over a period of many years. I can pretty much recite from memory names , general dates etc. of pretty much all the Harrises (cousins included) around Southampton and other names as well. Far more than I ever wanted or needed to know. Keep in mind that new year was not what it is today and dates from Jan, to March usually have one year with slash and then next year. Ex.1749/50 . In many countries and regions the new year had started on Jan.1 for over a century(some longer) but England and its dominions did not start change from March to January 1 until 1752 . For that reason dates for those months included both years in some of the records. Joel’s years of birth range from 1718- 1728 based on father’s will and his apparently being of age in later Southampton court records. 1) We know that Joel born to Edward and Mary was a minor when his father wrote his will in 1739 in Isle of Wight Co. Va. Per his will , he named Joel and Lewis as not of age. 2) Joel would have been BORN LATER than circa 1718 to have been under 21 at the time his father wrote his will in 1739. 3)Southampton Co. Virginia was created from a portion of Isle of Wight in 1749 4)In 1749 Lewis Harris (brother of the above Joel) was appointed Constable in Southampton Co. per court order book 1 I could not find another Lewis there at the same time. To be 21 at appointment he could not have been born later that 1728 or born earlier than circa 1718 to have been a minor in his father's will. 5) Joel Harris is sued by David Adams dc’d estate Dec. 14, 1749 Southampton Order Bk. 1 but is dismissed for want of prosecution (would have been of age to be sued) 6) Joel Harris gives oath March 8, 1749/50 Court Order Bk 1 p. 39 between Edmund Pate and William Rose.(again would have to be of age to give oath) 7)Joel Harris paid on Ap(April) 26, 1750 1 pd. 2shilling debt to the estate pf Col. John Simmons dc’d Southampton Will Bk. 1 pp 61-64(his pmt. noted on page 61) brother Lewis is on p. 64 same large estate record. 8) Joel Harris is appointed Constable Aug. 9, 1750 Southampton Order Bk. 1 p.79 . There is only one Joel mentioned in Southampton Co. records at this time. To have been constable he would have been born NO LATER than 1829. 9) June 13, 1750 Deed Bk 1 p 143 The property line of Joell Harris is mentioned in the deed of another person on 3 Creeks 10)This is where the life of Joel Harris ends and the business related to his death begins. Recorded Jan. 10, 1750/51 Southampton Court Order Bk. 1 p.127 is the following : Owen and Mary Myrick relinquish their" right" of administration of the estate of “Joel Harris dc’d” to Edward Harris. The keyword here may be RIGHT as I cannot locate an order giving her admin. and if he died without surviving wife or children then Mary(his mother) was his closest relative with the right. There is absolutely no guardian bond or any mention anywhere for children's part among any court records or protection of any minors rights or sums given from an estate to raise them anywhere. In the many years of court records for Southampton after 1750 out of 10 children there would definately have been something 11) Edward Harris assumes role as administrator of estate of “Joel Harris dc’d” Jan. 10, 1750/51 Southampton Court Order Bk. 1 p. 127 just under the relinquishment by Owen & Mary Myrick. 12)An order to appraise the “real and personal estate” of “Joell Harris decea‘d” is ordered Jan. 10, 1750/51 per Southampton Court Order Bk. 1 p. 128 13) Court Order Bk 1 p. 298 is found 2 entries Edward Harris as admin. of Joel Harris dece’d” is awarded debt from John Rose and 2 items down on same page Edward as admin of “Joel Harris dec’d” sued William Spence to collect debt owed estate. After this the name Joel Harris disappears for a number of years until: 14) Court Minute Book 1790-93(pages numbered oddly) back of page 86 and page 87 we find where the exc. of Amos Harris dc’d asking a stay in the proceedings of a judgement against them obtained by “Edward Harris admin. of Joel Harris dc’d” , Edward asks the same and it is granted.. From Edward’s records and his apparent problems(many) with estates for others it is entirely possible that this is EXACTLY the same JOEL years later. I have never located a final accounting and I think that perhaps his land may have been absorbed into lands of a family member. No deed of Joel's land being conveyed at any time, at least not in his or his estate's name. The “deceased” cannot be any clearer than items 10-14 He cannot become any more dead than this. How is it possible that a minor in 1739 attained his majority , married and managed to have 10 children (of the suit)WITH ALL 10 LIVING TO HAVE FAMILIES and then die about 1750 . No orphans bonds, no guardian bonds located., no estate distributed, nothing. The odds of having 10 children to be born and live to adulthood and not having some losses of other children in infancy would have not have been consistent with the times and to have lost some children (as infants) would have made the total children even higher in the span of 10 years!!! Not only that but at least 2 of the daughters assigned to him did not marry until the 1780’s (one in 1782 and another in 1786) , which if they were Joel’s they would have been in their upper 30’s , closer to 40 and still managed to have large families. These marriages are recorded in Southampton. Many of the accepted and now numerously published reports and genealogies do not add with the facts if they assign the Joel of Edward Harris and Mary to the siblings in the suit. While some of the sons and sons-in-law of Edward and Mary bought and sold land in NC, deeds show that they were of Southampton Co. As a matter of fact I cannot find any evidence that the sons or daughters of Edward and Mary ever actually lived in NC Some of the grandchildren and many of the cousins(some of like names) lived in NC but the names of Edward and Mary's children appear consistently over the years in Southampton. They inventoried estates (which would have been impractical if you were living in another state) ,even down to plates and hogs, were present at estate sales and left trails regarding their own estates. I have been at work steadily on the probable father of the 10 children of chancery suit , ruling out many and that will come soon after exhausting all other possibilities. Hint: people often married more than once and when more uncommon names can be definately associated with one (in their later years) then likely there were 2 marriages. There is some indication that some of the Harrises were Quakers , others either not practicing or were of another faith. Hope this helps someone Mary

Evelyn, I agree with so many that it is good to hear from you on the boards. Also, Thank you for this map. It is so hard to find a map showing some of the creeks. Ira L. Harris III On Jul 16, 2012, at 5:39 PM, EVELYN WALLACE wrote: > As a good many of colonial Harrises got land patents in colonial Hanover Co., VA, (a burned county)and later in Louisa Co., you may be interested in a colonial map of these two counties which lists watercourses. I note from my notes from Cavaliers and Pioneers (8 volumes of VA land patents)that in nearly every instance, after the earliest patents, a watercourse is named. (I wrote out patents for persons, including a Harris, who had patents on Elk Creek, for example.) > > > Use this URL to find a colonial map of this area with each (I think) watercourse located and named. > > http://trevilians.com/creeks.htm > > You can just use the http prior to the slash mark to find transcriptions of later Louisa Co. records as collected by now deceased Janice Abercrombie. CG. > > This online map was adapted from the Jefferson-Fry map done in colonial days by the father of Thomas Jefferson--Peter Jefferson and his associate Joshua Fry. (I was shown such a map some years ago at a lecture at the Library of Virginia. The map handler was intrigued with the cartouche, but I wanted to see the LAND and the watercourses!!!) I think you can buy reprodictions at the Library book store in Richmond, VA but check the LVA website first. > > E.W.Wallace > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In checking the DAR Patriot Index: http://services.dar.org/public/dar_research/search/?Tab_ID=1 They do list Archelaus Harris as a patriot, but not for signing this bond. Instead it is for providing supplies for the continental army in Virginia during the Revolutionary War. One source for his providing supplies is: Virginia Publick Claims by Abercrombie & Slatten, Vol, 2, p. 626. Three different people have joined the DAR and each follow a lineage that comes through Archelaus Harris, b. 5-9-1736, d. 9-30-1792 Wilkes Co., GA; md. Frances/Fanny Smith. Then through their daughter, Nancy/Ann Harris md. Hickerson Cosby.

As a good many of colonial Harrises got land patents in colonial Hanover Co., VA, (a burned county)and later in Louisa Co., you may be interested in a colonial map of these two counties which lists watercourses.  I note from my notes from Cavaliers and Pioneers (8 volumes of VA land patents)that in nearly every instance, after the earliest patents, a watercourse is named.   (I wrote out patents for persons, including a Harris, who had patents on Elk Creek, for example.) Use this URL to find a colonial map of this area with each (I think) watercourse located and named. http://trevilians.com/creeks.htm You can just use the http prior to the slash mark to find transcriptions of later Louisa Co. records as collected by now deceased Janice Abercrombie.  CG. This online map was adapted from the Jefferson-Fry map done in colonial days by the father of Thomas Jefferson--Peter Jefferson and his associate Joshua Fry.  (I was shown such a map some years ago at a lecture at the Library of Virginia.  The map handler was intrigued with the cartouche, but I wanted to see the LAND and the watercourses!!!)  I think you can buy reprodictions at the Library book store in Richmond, VA but check the LVA website first. E.W.Wallace

Based on information in this cited bond, I believe Archelaus Harris of Louisa Co., VA judging by the date of the document (bond),I believe he could be considered a *patriot* by DAR and SAR.  Of course, the applicant would have to present reliable evidence to the lineage society of his/her descendancy from this particular Harris. As I remember the requirements for *Revolutionary Service*, the events had to take place before the Treaty of Paris which was dated 1795 (my memory may be faulty.  Check the DAR website to confirm that date.)  Note that the cited bond was to the Treasurer of the Commonwealth of Virginia and is dated 1782. The Commonwealth of Virginia was already in effect.  (This would include other land which Virginia claimed at that time--including Kentucky.) p. 399 (Louisa County, VA Deed Book F, 1784-1790) We Thomas Poindexter, Capt. John Poindexter, John Poindexter Junr., William Trice, Saml. Cole & Archilaus Harris are firmly bound unto Jaqulin Ambler Esqr.Treasurer of the Commonwealth of VA. in the sum of L10,000.  13 May 1782.  Condition:  sd. Thomas Poindexter, Gent, present Acting Sheriff of Louisa Co. shall truly collect & pay taxes in this Co. imposed by Act of the General Assembly of the Commonwealth. [signed by these persons] Thos. Poindexter John Poindexter Jno. Poindexter Wm. Trice Archelaus Harris (Source:  Rosalie Edith Davis,Louisa County, Virginia Deed Books E & F  1774-1790)[Manchester, MO:  Published by author, 1983]p. 90) (off the subject:  I just glanced at the index again, and saw that my Virginia-Kentucky ancestor, Rev. Andrew Tribble is listed in cited book!!!  In 1777 Andrew and his wife Sarah [said to be Burrus] sold property in Louisa Co., and one of his lines bordered that one of one Willm. Harris.  Another entry dated 18 April 1789 indicates that Andrew Tribble [an early Baptist minister both in VA and in KY] was *of Fayette Co., District of Kentucky* as of 18 April 1789.  One of his daughters, Frances [Frankey]Tandy Tribble married 1st) my ancestor *old* Michael Stoner [aka in Pennsylvania as Holsteiner] of early Kentucky fame; 2nd) Thomas Chilton the elder, another Baptist minister.) To PatClare and other interested parties:  This particular volume of Mrs. Davis has many Yancey males listed.  (Later in Granville Co. NC, one Yancey male married a sister of my Williams Ancestor: Sterling Yancey m. Betsey Williams, Granville Co. NC  I neglected to get marriage date but it was after the Revolution.  Her father, William Williams died of illness at Boonesborough at Christmas time 1775. 

Hi Mrs. Wallace, I was so happy to see your "return" email. To my eyes, the fact that your doctor has advised continuing chemo rather than undergoing surgery is good news. With the many advances in medical knowledge and experience, chemo has reached such high success rates, and it is more controllable - the dosage, the treatment of adverse reactions, etc. I'm hoping you will see few "lousy days" and many steps forward in the treatment. I'll be thinking of you and looking forward to reading your posts when you feel like being online. Caroline McCall Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 7:52 PM, EVELYN WALLACE <hdanw@verizon.net> wrote: > Dear Harris-Hunters > > > > Based on the experienced judgment of my main doctor, I did not undergo the > planned surgery--just continuing chemotherapy, which has side-effects of > course. Some lousy days! > > > Therefore, I have resubscribed to Harris-Hunters. > > > Thanks for ALL the lovely cards which I got via the postal service - many > from subscribers from Virginia and from North Carolina (of course, some of > our early Harrises are found in those colonial records.) > > Speaking of whom - > > Virginia - I am assuming you are using the Library of Virginia website to > track > Virginia land patents (even through the early 21st century) for Harrises > and their associates. The oldest land patents will be listed at the very > end. On the index of the Library of > Virginia website, click down to the L list - and find Land Patents - the > entry which includes *Northern Neck land records* > > Enter the surnames you seek and go to the end of the long list for Harrises > to find the OLDEST Virginia land patents. Here is a *people-finder* > which I use frequently. Most all VA land patents mention a watercourse > (that is how tobacco got shipped out). The eight volumes of Cavaliers > and Pioneers have indexes of the watercourses (creeks, rivers, branches, > fords, etc.) and if you can trace the neighbors via these watercourses, you > may find the families with whom the Harrises intermarried. And > many of whom migrated when our Harrises migrated. > > > For those who are descended from William Harris and his wife Temperance > Overton, also look up the Overtons. The Family History Library in Salt > Lake City has a book on the Overtons in Virginia, and you may find some > clues in > there. Just check out the facts, however. Many family histories are > being filmed, so search for a film of your family histories. > > North Carolina - The University of North Carolina has digitized the 20 plus > volumes of North Carolina Colonial and State Papers and there is a > rough index. In my studies of colonial > > Granville Co., > NC, I find many Harrises are listed. In the early days, Granville Co., I > am told by NC genealogical experts, Granville Co. comprised the top > half of North Carolina. Furthermore, since the barrier islands off the > coast of North Carolina prevent easy entry by boat from the Atlantic, > many early settlers in North Carolina came from Virginia. (quote from > Helen Leary, expert genealogist from North Carolina.) > > Margaret M Hofmann [note spelling of surname]has compiled about four-five > volumes of these colonial land grants of North Carolina. The books are > well indexed. > > Be sure to check with your librarian about interlibrary loan. You may > even be able to borrow from the Library of Congress (check on that) > which has a LARGE genealogical collection. A friend of mind with a > degree in Library Science tells her audience that most libraries (and > even community colleges) agree to ILL their books. Years ago, I was > surprised to learn that a book I borrowed on ILL came from a community > college in North Carolina, far from my home in California. > > > Again, thanks > for all the lovely cards I got, and for your best wishes. May those of > you in areas which are having terrible weather and storms and electric > outages soon see better days. > > Best wishes to all Harris-Hunters--and their in-laws and their cousins, et > al. > > > Evelyn W. Wallace > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks, Pat. Of course I immediately thought about my Archibald Harris who we can not find parents for. He's in Harris y-DNA group 49 along with William Harris who lived in Floyd Co., Kentucky...probably a nephew to Archibald. I have always thought our Harris line is connected to the Gibson family...no proof...just clues. ----- Original Message ----- From: <PatCLARE@aol.com> To: <hdanw@verizon.net>; <Harris-Hunters@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 5:23 PM Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Harris men > > > In a message dated 7/15/2012 4:13:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > hdanw@verizon.net writes: > > Archelus 3,90 > > Archelaus Harris > > Just as a heads up, I found a descendant and tested him...he is unmatched, > but does match Yancey DNA. > > too bad...he would have answered a lot of questions on lines...Pat > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 7/15/2012 4:13:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hdanw@verizon.net writes: Archelus 3,90 Archelaus Harris Just as a heads up, I found a descendant and tested him...he is unmatched, but does match Yancey DNA. too bad...he would have answered a lot of questions on lines...Pat