-----Original Message----- From: Pam Stone <pamstone@cfl.rr.com> To: harris-hunters <harris-hunters@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2012 12:52 pm Subject: Re: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Benjamin Harrises Hi, all, Been off this list for a time ordering new records for the descendants of Benjamin (d. 1762) & Sarah Dumas Harris (d. 1780), Hanover Co., VA, and am just now gathering together all of the information on all of the numerous descendants of Obediah Harris (1741-1830, the oldest child of Benjamin & Sarah Dumas Harris) and Rebecca Johnson Harris (1742- 1801, the daughter of David & Mary Woody Johnson.) (This family traces to Harris DNA Group 6.) It may take me some time to compile all the descendants of Benjamin & Sarah, but I will be communicating further information on their lines. Pam ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I recently found a letter written by my gg grandfather listing his family members. there was only names no dates. with this additional information I have been able to connect into another generation. What I am trying to clear up is who is the wife of Johnathan Harris. Most online sites have Casto as the last name. Here is what he wrote:: Nathaniel Harris had a son Jonathan who married Catherine Golden who was from Germany and came to the US when she was 16. Their children: David, Rachel, Rebecca, Nancy, *Joel, George, William John Harris , cousin of Nathaniel, had son Joel who married Nellie Ingersoll, who is the sister of Bob Ingersol's father. Children of Joel and Nellie are Judith, *Sarah, Rebecca, Thomas, Annias, Philip *Joel and *Sarah's children are Rebeccca, Ben, Nancy, Rachel, Lot, Thomas, Sam. Ben married Harriet Mitchell who died 1855. Their children are Jane and Nute (Newton) He married second wife Amanda Peery. their children are Robert, Ida, Ola, Emma Ben is Benjamin E Harris my gg grandfather, His son Newton married Ida Coovert, their children are Gladys, Winona, Wanda. Wanda is my grandmother. I do not know anything about the Harris family other than from Ben on. The web is a wonderful thing but not everything is accurate. I love the ability to cut and past but not everyone has sources for their information, Wandering where the "Golden" connection came from. Is Ben right and everyone else wrong. As much as I want to believe what he wrote it appears he may have been wrong. Anyone have documentation on this. Looks like they are from New Jersey as that is where Ben's father Jonathan was born, with Ben being born in Ohio, then Missouri as that is where Newton was born then on to Oregon where my grandmother Wanda was born. I do have a great obit for Benjamin that listed his parents. Love the way they did this way back when. 1913 Judy Versteeg Fry Harris-Coovert Odell-Holman Versteeg-Stoutenburg Bales-Sherman Fry-Ross

Hi Glenn, Thanks so much for this information! I think this is so cool! A gathering of the Harris Clan, wow! I meant to write you and Jim back earlier in the year when this was proposed. I'm putting it on my calendar right now! Sincerely, Charlie Harris DNA Group 6 -----Original Message----- From: harris-hunters-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:harris-hunters-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Glenn G Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 4:57 PM To: Harris Hunters Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Gathering of Harris Descendants, 2012 Dear Harris Researchers, Here is a web page that I have set up that talks about a Gathering of Harris Descendants which will take place September 22-23, 2012 at Henricus Historical Park in Chester, Virginia. I've been helping Jim Harris of Beaverdam, Virginia get the word out, and we are contacting as many Harris researchers as possible. The core group will be made up of descendants of Capt. Thomas Harris of Jamestown, but there will also be descendants of other Colonial Virginia Harrises such as the William Harris/Temperance Overton family and Harrises of Isle of Wight Co., VA and Charles City Co., VA, etc. Complete information is included here: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gohrpage/GatheringOfHarris Descendants.html *The above link is a very long web address. So make sure you copy and paste all of it into your browser with no spaces anywhere. If you know someone else who might be interested in this Gathering, please pass this message on. Sincerely, Glenn Gohr __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest . Unsubscribe . Terms of Use . __,_._,___ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, all, Thought that before I posted more information on the descendants of Benjamin (d. 1762) & Sarah Dumas Harris (d. 1780) of Hanover, Goochland & Louisa Cos., VA, I would post what documentation I have gathered on the Benjamin Harris who died a young man in Louisa Co., VA in 1765, leaving his young widow and young children. (They're really all part of the same family that comes from William & Temperance Overton Harris, but represent different branches of the same tree that comprises a part of DNA Group 6.) I would also like to say a big thank you! to a FEW of the many excellent researchers who have helped to sort out the numerous Virginia Harris lines over these many years: Evelyn, Ira, Pat, Chris, Jim, Glenn, Cassia, Lillian, Virginia [deceased]---and SO many others as well. I so thank you all for all of your help and contributions to our joint understanding of all these various Harris lines in Virginia and later locations. Anyway, here is the documentation for Benjamin Harris (d. 1765), his widow, and his children. Pam pamstone@cfl.rr.com ======================================= Chappelear, Nancy, and Hatch, Kate Binford: Abstracts of Early Louisa County, Virginia Will Books, 1743-1819; Copyright, 1964, by Nancy Chappelear and Kate Binford Hatch; Published, 1964, by by Nancy Chappelear and Kate Binford Hatch, Washington, D.C., U.S.A. --- Notes by the authors: Will Book 1 was partially mutilated, so we have verified the Will Book by the Order Book. The mutilated first page of the Will Book is numbered 145. - p. 13: W.B. 1, p. 72 Will dated 30 July 1765. Rcd. 14 Oct 1765. Will of Benjamin HARRIS of Trinity Parish. Wife Mary. 3 sons: Robert, eldest son Overton, & -----. Dau: Nancy. Lands to be divided among my eldest son Overton and son Robert at death of my wife. Exors: wife Mary HARRIS & two brothers: Frederick HARRIS & Robert HARRIS. Signed: Benjamin HARRIS. Wit.: James OVERTON, Charles NUCKOLLS, Mary RATLIF [RATLIFF] [The testator was reportedly the son of William & Elizabeth Burnett Harris of Hanover Co., VA, and the grandson of William & Temperance Overton Harris. Note that the third son of this Benjamin & Mary was BENJAMIN Harris, as shown below. There are no surviving records of Trinity Parish.] p. 79: W.B. 3, p. 87 Bond dated & rcd. 19 Mar 1784. Bond of Elias THOMASON in the amount of 1500 pounds unto the executors of Henry DAVIS, decd. Whereas the above named Henry DAVIS in his lifetime entered into bond as Security for Mary HARRIS, late widow of Benjamin HARRIS, decd. for her faithful performance as Extx. of the said decd. husband's estate; now the above bonded Elias THOMASON, who has since intermarried with the said Mary HARRIS, do save harmless & indemnify the aforesaid Exors. of Henry Harris [sic: typo] decd. from all trouble & damage that may arise, the said Henry DAVIS being surety as aforesaid for the said Mary HARRIS. Security: Wingfield COSBY. Signed: Elias Thomasson, Wingfield Cosby [NOTE: This bond makes it appear that Elias Thomason/Thomasson had married Mary Harris, the widow of Benjamin Harris, at a later date, but the following document makes it clear that Elias Thomason had married Mary, the widow of Benjamin when her children were quite young, and had helped to raise them to adulthood. Elias was a good stepfather to the children of Benjamin & Mary Harris.] p. 93: W.B. 3, p. 227 Settlement of Estate recorded -------- 1785. Settlement of the estate of Benj. HARRIS by Elias THOMASSON, Exor. For boarding & clothing of Overton, Nancy, Robert & Benj.: 443 pounds, 10 shillings, 10 pence. Signed by: Chs. BARRET, Robt. BARRET, John CRUTCHFIELD & Elijah DICKINSON. [Please note that Nancy, the daughter of Benjamin & Mary Harris, married John COOK, who, Unfortunately, committed suicide.] ===================================== [END OF FILE] =====================================

I did some prowling of the goodly collection of books collected over the years by the Orange County California Genealogical Society and housed at the Huntington Beach CA library branch on Talbert St.  I forget the name of the branch currently. I found several indexes for the many volumes of the periodical The Virginia Genealogist edited by John Frederick Dorman. The beginning of the two part [?} series on Three William Harrises in Hanover County is in Volume 22 (1975) pages 3-15 and page 99-? of The Virginjia Genealogist, editor John Frederick Dorman.  Here are some rough notes William Harris the elder died on or before Feb 1733.  A patent was issued to him 24 Mar 1725.  His wife is believed to have been Temperance Overton. The son of this William Harris was said to be of Cedar Hill. It is believed he married Elizabeth Burnett.  Three of his sons had children with the given name Burnett.  This information about the names of the children is not given. There are listed five children of this second William Harris: 1.  Overton Harris (1726-1789) m. Ann Nelson of Hanover Co. 2.  William Harris - wife Henrietta.  He was in Louisa Co. militia [date not given]. He went to Kentucky and reportedly died Mercer Co., KY 1773 3.  Frederick Harris 4.  Benjamin Harris - will proved Louisa Co. 14 Oct 1765 5.  Robert Harris m. Mesapina, dau of John Walton. [end of my notes but not end of Dr. Harris's article on Three William Harrises f Hanover Co.] My suggestions to verify the above statements.  Dr. Harris was a frequent contributor to The Virgina Genealogist and Dorman, I am sure, checked his facts as far as his editorship would allow.  I have heard Dorman speak, and he is rather careful about his research.  However, we all make mistakes, and the best way to check these facts is through the land records and whatever other material you can find. If I have the correct Overton Harris f early date, [not my ancestor of the same name but of later Madison Co., KY where he died testate 1827], his wife divorced him, and you will find references to this divorce if you keep digging far and wide.  If your library has hefty two volumes called informally Swem's Index, you may find other material about these early Harrises, but check the facts with originals, if you can.  Swem was long the genealogical librarian at College of William and Mary. VA land patents [highly abstracted] can be found on the Library of Virginia website.  Google for URL.  In the alpha index of total holdings and publications [in some cases] which shows up, search for Land Records and choose the subject which includes the words *Northern Neck Land Grants*. When you get to what seems the right database on this website, type in the surname Harris.  The oldest patents [of which the above-named Harris is one] will be at the very end.  If you can find at your local public library (or a university library) these books [now numbering eight volumes] of colonial Virginia land patents, you can check on the patents of the Harris's neighbors and the watercourse on which the Harris family lived--all clues in this detective work called genealogy or family history.  The books which list the abstracted land patents are called Cavaliers and Pioneers.  The first three volumes are credited to the main compiler, Nell Marion Nugent and were originally printed by the Library of Virginia.  The other five volumes of Virginia land patents have the same title but were compiled and published in the last decades by the Virginia Genealogical Society, a private organization, in Richmond, VA.  (If you are a member of VA Gen Society, I believe you can still get a discount on their publications.  As well as receiving a quarterly journal and a bimonthly (?) newsletter.) I did not follow through on Dr. Harris's genealogy of the three Harris men of Hanover Co.  I suggest you use the database PERSI if it is available to you, perhaps through your local library and order copies of Dr. Harris's explanation of these three William Harrises. You may telephone [at night Tues, Weds,Thurs,the Family History Library in Salt Lake City to see if they have these volumes of The Virginia Genealogist.  They have a form [or did have] called Request for Phoptocopy, which prices were reasonable, at least a few years ago.  Or telephone or email the Allen Co. Indiana Public Library at Fort Wayne, INdiana.  They are the compilers of PERSI.  A library patron told me a few years ago that the turnaround time at Fort Wayne was acceptable. (Check on those neighbors as mentioned in the land patents.  They may be in-laws and they migrate with the Harris family.  I like to check who all lived on the same watercourse.  I understand that the barrels of tobacco were rolled to the watercourse and then to the boat on the bigger river. (Corrections, any one?) Lloyd D. Bockstruck, recently retired head of the genealogy department at the Dallas Public Library and an author and lecturer, said the bridegrooms in early Virginia married brides who lived downstream.  It was an easy row downstream, and the grooms were so invigorated by the visit that the row back home was easy.  Always look for the watercourses and note the neighbors in that neighborhood!!! Some genealogists [like Croom, if I remember correctly] calls rounding up the neighbors in your research is *cluster research*.  Even if the jigsaw pieces don't yet fit, round them up anyway.  The white population was not too great in those early days. More later. Evelyn W. Wallace

Dear Glenn, Due to ongoing chemotherapy (and sometimes blood transfusions for cancer treatment), I will not be able to come to the gathering of the Harris clans in Virginia.  It is one of my favorite places to visit, and I made two vacation trips (but not for genealogy) to Virginia in 2011. Then my doctors diagnosed me as having cancer.  No fun. I am preparing to send an email, perhaps tomorrow, concerning a longish article submitted to The Virginia Genealogist (Frederick E. Dorman, editor) some years ago about the the three William Harrises of or near colonial Hanover Co.  This longish article was compiled by Malcolm Hart Harris, whom I suspect was descended from one of these William Harrises. One group of these William Harrises were father and son, and I believe author Dr.M. H. Harris gave the children of the son and their mates. The other William Harris, Dr. Harris surmised, was not related to the other two William Harrises, and he was associated with an Alves family.  I believe Dr. Harris maintained that the 3rd William Harris married the widow of Alves. Some of the later Harris families, descended from the William Harris, whom many of us claim as our ancestor, are found in Louisa Co. records of early date.  In fact, my ancestor, Major Robert Harris, believed to be son of the older William Harris, had been in the House of Burgesses but resigned his post to become official surveyor of Louisa Co. Like that later Virginian, George Washington, Robert Harris, the surveyor, was able to acquire lots of land. I believe my research of Louisa Co. and its progeny county Albemarle indicates Robert in his deeds (and perhaps will) gave land to his sons and to his sons-in-law, he gave slaves.  Mrs. Rosalie Edith Davis, later of Manchester, MO, transcribed and abstracted many early records of Louisa Co. and of Fredericksville Parish, but her books are not easily found in most genealogical libraries, as they were paperback.  The Family History Library in Salt Lake City does not have them. I wonder if the Library of Virginia have them. Mrs Davis, about a year and a half ago, was not answering her e-mails. An heir seems to have taken over,but I do not have the URL although some kind soul sent it to me.  Tsk! Evelyn W. Wallace ________________________________ From: Glenn G <archives_guy@hotmail.com> To: Harris Hunters <harris-hunters@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Gathering of Harris Descendants, 2012 Dear Harris Researchers, Here is a web page that I have set up that talks about a Gathering of Harris Descendants which will take place September 22-23, 2012 at Henricus Historical Park in Chester, Virginia. I've been helping Jim Harris of Beaverdam, Virginia get the word out, and we are contacting as many Harris researchers as possible. The core group will be made up of descendants of Capt. Thomas Harris of Jamestown, but there will also be descendants of other Colonial Virginia Harrises such as the William Harris/Temperance Overton family and Harrises of Isle of Wight Co., VA and Charles City Co., VA, etc.  Complete information is included here: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gohrpage/GatheringOfHarrisDescendants.html *The above link is a very long web address.  So make sure you copy and paste all of it into your browser with no spaces anywhere. If you know someone else who might be interested in this Gathering, please pass this message on. Sincerely, Glenn Gohr                 __._,_.___                                     Reply to sender |               Reply to group |               Reply via web post |                 Start a New Topic                       Messages in this topic           (1)                 Recent Activity:                                                                   Visit Your Group         Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use                   .   __,_._,___                           ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Harris Researchers, Here is a web page that I have set up that talks about a Gathering of Harris Descendants which will take place September 22-23, 2012 at Henricus Historical Park in Chester, Virginia. I've been helping Jim Harris of Beaverdam, Virginia get the word out, and we are contacting as many Harris researchers as possible. The core group will be made up of descendants of Capt. Thomas Harris of Jamestown, but there will also be descendants of other Colonial Virginia Harrises such as the William Harris/Temperance Overton family and Harrises of Isle of Wight Co., VA and Charles City Co., VA, etc. Complete information is included here: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gohrpage/GatheringOfHarrisDescendants.html *The above link is a very long web address. So make sure you copy and paste all of it into your browser with no spaces anywhere. If you know someone else who might be interested in this Gathering, please pass this message on. Sincerely, Glenn Gohr __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use . __,_._,___

Ira (but Pam can tune in, of course)any others who have colonial Virginia Harrises.  (Or any colonial Harrises.) Do you have access through your local library to the online database HeritageQuest? If so, you should be able to find PERSI [I forget its full name but it is an index to the genealogical periodicals held by the Allen County [Fort Wayne, IN]Indiana Public Library. Curt B. Witcher, whom I have heard lecture both here in Los Angeles Co. and at one national conference, I believe, is in charge of the genealogical collection in Fort Wayne PL. The URL [this is old and may have changed] for the Allen Co. PL www.ACPL.Lib.in.us  Otherwise use google to search. Why should you care about periodicals? Reason:  Some years ago, Dr. Malcolm Hart Harris (now deceased) of Virginia wrote several articles about some of our colonial Harrises and they were published in The Virginia Genealogist, which periodical is privately published by Frederick Dorman.  One article I remember  he wrote was of three William Harrises, two of whom were father and son [probably our family--at least Pam's and mine] and a third, seemingly not linked to the William Harris-Temperance Overton group, was associated with a family named Alves.  As I remember, Dr.Harris stated that this particular William Harris married the widowed Mrs Alves.  (I must have this article in my files, and hopefully, I have it numbered and cataloged, but I will have to look for it.) This is a method which I use, at least in later years, is take the eight volumes of Cavaliers and Pioneers (colonial and some later abstarted Virginia land grants) and search all the neighbors of whomever I am researching.  I collect the neighbors, mostly those who are clustered around a common water course.  The watercourses are indexed in these volumes and so are many other place names.  The first three volumes were published by the Library of Virginia but the last five volumes have been published in the last decades by the Virginia Genealogical Society also headquartered in  Richmond.  I found out early on that if one belongs to the VA Gen Soc, you get a discount on their publications. Ira, you tell me you have a good library in your city, and that recently (was that some years ago?) you were friendly with the librarian.  If he/she has not purchased these Virginia land grant books, which are almost required reading for those of us with colonial Virginia ancestors, then he/she should do so as soon as his budget allows.  (All libraries have having troubles these days, but nearly all genealogical societies of any size have supported their libraries, especially if there is a genealogical collection.) Some nights ago, as I was watching the TV (except for English plays) I decided to go through the early volumes of C&P and study all the families (not just Harrises) who were located on or near Elk Creek--was it Hanover Co?  As William Dollarhide, a published author and until lately, a popular lecturer at least in Western States, said:  collect all the suspicious characters.  (Many times these became in-laws, and even migrated together.) Thomas W. Jones, until recently one of the co-editors of the NGS Journal, and now has set up with a former co-worker an organization to study genealogy [somewhere on the East Coast--but not Florida, Pam] is another who lectures about *inferential genealogy*.  I think if we use a lot of ifs and buts in our biographies of our people, we are using inferential genealogy.  And this is almost a requirement for colonial Virginia biographies.  Because my Dad has many common surnames in his pedigree, I do a lot of inferencial biographies.  As Pam has e-mailed me, I sometimes miss the mark, but in the meantime, I am learning!!! See if your local library has purchased syllabi of national genealogical conferences (or CDs)and take a look at these authors' works [it they submitted them for the syllabi]. There are pretty good tables of contents, and you can seek out the better authors (and bibliographers). Also check to see that your library has any of the genealogical research guides [little packable books] by Dr. George K. Schweitzer.  Dr. Schweitizer taught chemistry (or some such science) for decades at the U of Tenn in Chattanooga, and he gives some good guidelines for conducting research, particulary [sp?] in the original colonies and even Kentucky (where many of my people migrated from Virginia, the mother state, and from Pennsylvania but seemingly also from Maryland.  I don't always agree with Dr. S, but I respect his scholarly approach to genealogy. I will write more later.  My computer gets temperamental and does not like long e-mails!!! Best wishes to all Harrises of colonial origins. E.W.Wallace

Sorry, all--- Thank you, Evelyn, for you summary of the extant Overton records. I appreciate all your helpful information on the Overtons. However, I had intended to show the first record in Virginia of this particular Richard Harris, who I think may have been the brother? of our William Harris (1669-1733; m. Temperance Overton.) Sorry for my lack of clarity. Here, again, is the first record of this Richard Harris, and a few further records of him. Pam Records Compiled by: Pamela Howerton Stone Ross pamstone@cfl.rr.com 362 North Brevard Avenue Cocoa Beach, FL 32931-2936 ========================================= Extracted from: CHAMBERLAYNE, C. G. [Churchill Gibson]: The Vestry Book of St. Paul’s Parish, Hanover County, Virginia, 1706-1786; Published, 1940, by the Library Board, Virginia State Library & Archives, Richmond, VA, USA -p. 60: ... Vestry Book p. 62 At a Vestry held at the Lower Church 7br ye 26,th 1713 ... - p. 61: ... To lie in the Church Wardens hands for RICHD HARRIS} when he hath Shingled the upper Church } 4500 ... - =========================================== p. 70: Vestry Book p. 69 ... At a Vestry held at the Lower Church 8br, ye 15.th 1715 [15 October] P,res,t Mr Tho:s Sharp Clk Maj,r Nich,o Meriwether Cap.t Rob,t Anderson } M,r Henry Chiles M,r John White } M,r Rowl,d Horsley M,r John Mask } Mr Geo; Alvis Mr Edw;d Garland } M,r Ja,s Blackwell M,r Joseph Baughon } M,r W,m Merwether } Church Wardens St Pauls Parish D,r To Mr Tho,s Sharp, as P Law 16000 To John Fitsgerrald, as Clk & Reader 1500 To John Hall Sexton of the Lower Church 400 To his Acc,t Allow’d 80 To Rich,d Norcutt Sexton of the upper Church 400 To his Acc,t Allow’d 30 To the Widdow Pirant for 1 year 600 [Pyrant, Pyron] To the Widdow Leak for John Andersons Child for 1 year 500 To Maj,r Meriwether Last year 111 ll [lb?] Tob,o this year 60½ 171½ To RICH,D HARRI’S[S Acc,t Allow’d 150 … ========================================= p. 268: fore the last of march next, an acc,t thereof, with ye names of persons present, and what lands in ye Said Precinct, they Shall fail to proceSsion, (if any) with the particular reason of Such Failure. but if any persons refuse to have their Lands proceS- sion’d, then to give an acc,t threof in writing to the Church wardens, within Ten Days after Such refusal Test Jno Fitsgerrald Cl, V,t The within order executed by us whose names are here writ- ten, except the land between Jno Harris & John Kimbrough, which Jno Harris refuses to Let it be proceSsion’d, because he says Not his full proportion of land, dated this 18,th day of march 1719/20, Edw:d Garland, Abra: Cook Vestry Book p. 208 New Kent County Sc,t We the Subscribers being Jurors Impannel’d & Sworn by Virtue of an Order of the Said Court, made the 12th day of may, Instant came upon the Land of John Harris, Joining on John Kimbro: in the s:d order, Mention’d together with the Surveyor and Sheriff of the Said County on the 23;d day of the said month, and the Said John Harris and John Kimbro: having agreed that the bounds of the Land, which the said Harris & Kimbro purchased of M,r Edw,d Garland, being the land in Question, should be run according to the ancient Bounds, and an equal Division shall be made thereof, the Surveyor Accordingly in company with us, the Subscribers Jurors, as aforesaid, and the Sheriff of the County ran round the Land, divided and proceSsion’d, the same According to the Tenor of the Said Order, and do find that Said John Harris wanted Twenty eight acres of his Land, which was then in the poSeS- sion of the said John Kimbro, by virtue of a former Division - p. 269: thereof made. In WitneSs whereof we have hereunto Set our hands & Seals. this 24.th day of May 1720. Foreman Peter Garland {SEAL} John Hudson {SEAL} Rich:d Harris {SEAL} Alex:r Cock {SEAL} his Edwd X Chambers {SEAL} W,m Mitchel {SEAL} mark W.m Terrell {SEAL} Jno Smith {SEAL} Ja,s Overton {SEAL} Benj:a Brown {SEAL} John Glenn {SEAL} Steph:n Pettus {SEAL} Pursuant to an Order of new kent County dated ye 12th of may, Instant made upon John HarriSs’s refusal, to proceSsion y,e dividing Line between him and John Kimbro; of a certain dividend of Land made over to them, Lying on the South Side of the Northanna, Paumonkey River in the aforesd County by Edw.d Garland in Company of Jury & the Sheriff of the County went upon the Said land in Controversy, in presence of the said Harris & Kimbro where and when they both agreed that the bounds of the whole Dividend made over to them, Should be measured, and that an equal division Should be made, which having perform’d, I do find that the area of the whole Dividend is three hundred and twenty acres, & that John Harris by the ========================================= [END OF FILE]

Dear Harris-Hunters, I agree with Pam Stone that the passenger Temperance Harris in the excerpt which she cited is probably Temperance Overton.  Although in some land patents, patentees gave lists of persons whom they claim they transported, many times these claims were not submitted until years later after the *transportation* occurred.  Here are some  old notes I have gathered and typed up ca. 1997.  I do not claim accuracy, and if anyone has additional or corrected information, please let me know.  I think it was Pam who forwarded to me a photo of an intact  tombstone for Temperance Harris. When I saw said tombstone some years ago, it had been mutilated (the stone had been crushed) and was held together with heavy fencing such as would be found on school yards in Southern California.  It had been a big block of stone--probably marble. If you wish me to share other notes I have on some Overton males, drop me an e-mail.  By the way, my research indicates that Overton is a popular given name for many Harris males, including my early Madison Co. KY ancestor, Overton Harris (d. testate 1827).  He was probably the youngest son of Christopher Harris, formerly of Albemarle Co., KY and perhaps the parent county of Albemarle--Louisa Co., where his father Robert Harris, called Major at times, was surveyor. Evelyn W. Wallace (The number after Temperance's name is my computer programs ID number for her.)     TEMPERANCE OVERTON.  WIR00047.  (1679 -1710)  Dates are open to question based on other information given below.    The list of her children may be incomplete.  One Jemima Harris is reported, but not proved, to have been one of the children.  (I have some biographies of other Overton children.)      The International Genealogical Index of May 1988 shows in four places that the parents of Temperance Overton were William Overton and Mary (Elizabeth) Waters and that she was born (not christened) 2 March 1679 in New Kent Co., VA.  New Kent Co. was the parent county of Hanover Co., the acknowledged residence of the Harris-Overton families.  Films containing this information have not been researched.  Reportedly the dates are taken from the tombstone of Temperance Harris, which has now disintegrated, according to Dr. Ben Harris, Glenarm, MD, ltr ca 1996.  Harris is a  direct descendant of the Harris family.      Two entries say Hanover Co. was birthplace of Temperance Overton, which is probably incorrect since Hanover was not formed until 1720.  Two entries show New Kent Co., parent county of Hanover, was her birthplace, and this is more probable.    In Vol. 7 of the Lineage Book of the Daughters of the American Colonists, p, 271, the dates given for Temperance Overton, wife of William Harris are 1679-1716)  No documentation is presented.  (Lineage of Mrs. Virginia Field Walton Brooks, born in Jonesboro, Arkansas.)      Tradition is that William Overton, her father, was an officer under Cromwell but was imprisoned at the Tower of London. Old history books of England tell us that an Overton was so imprisoned.  Whether this person was the father of Temperance Overton has not been determined.  It is uncertain whether Overton was executed or whether he escaped from prison.  Francis Stuart Harmon in ADAM'S EVES believes it was William's father (Temperance's grandfather), Robert Overton, a "Roundhead" Major General, who was in Cromwell's army.  Refer to the biography of William Overton I.      The June 1714 Virginia Land Patent Book (Patent Bk 10, p. 132) of Charles Fleming, Henrico Co., lists among the 29 persons he claims to have imported one Temperance Harris.  This would indicate she, Temperance Harris, may have married Harris in England (or Wales, as some maintain Harris was Welsh).  One should bear in mind, however, that much fraud occurred in the patenting of these Virginia lands.       Tradition, cited by Malcolm Hart Harris, M.D., quoting William Pope Anderson, THE EARLY DESCENDANTS OF WM. OVERTON AND ELIZABETH WATERS OF VIRGINIA, AND ALLIED FAMILIES, p. 54, is that Temperance Overton married William Harris on the deck of the ship in which she came on 24 Nov. 1670 at Yorktown.  ("Major Robert Harris of New Kent Co., THE VIRGINIA GENEALOGIST, V. ..., p. 195 ff.)      The following records at the Land Office of Virginia verify that some Overtons were in Virginia beginning ca. 1663. Several of these entries pertain to transactions of William Overton.      1.  21 Aug 1663 - Overton, Francis & Charlton, Wm., 410 A on the S. side of the Rappahannock --- backing land of David Fox.  Patent No. 5, p. 459. (This seems to pertain to an Overton family located later in Northern Neck Virginia.  The Rappahannock is associated with Northern Neck Land Grants.  These grants of Northern Neck are associataed with the Fairfax proprietary generally,  but early ones appear in the first volume of Cavaliers and Pioneers.  There are other Overton families in colonial Northern Neck Virginia and they do not seem associated with those along the Pamunkey River and the North Anna River.      2.  18 Mar 1663/4 - Overton, Roger & Lary, John, [old] Rappahannock Co., 18 Mar 1663/4, 100 A Begin & c on Swamp ground under the hills side & adjoining to a parcel of land formerly belonging to James Ganall & now in possession of Overton & Lary [patent omitted in error].  (Northern Neck Virginia)      Whether these Overtons in Northern Neck Virginia are related to those in Tidewater Virginia is open to question.  The Pamunkey River, a tributary of the North Anna River, is a *marker* for this particular Overton family of early Virginia days.      3.  23 Apl 1681 - Overton, Wm. & Jones, Evan - New Kent Co., 4,600 A on freshes --- so. side of Pamunky River, Patent 7, p. 78.        See CAVALIERS & PIONEERS, V. II, pp. 218-19; Overton & Jones transported 92 persons, including Elizabeth Overton and several persons named Jones, probably all relatives.   This patentee is more probably the father of Temperance Overton.      4.  23 Oct 1690 - Overton, Wm. & Lydall, John - New Kent Co. (to be equally divided between them) - 837 A. above the main fork of Pamunkey R. next above a dividend of land granted Jonathan Newell & Ambros. Clara late in the tenure of Samuel Ousteen [Overton?], Patent 8, p. 121.   (Refer to Nell Marion Nugent, Cavaliers and Pioneers, Vol 2,p. 357) (One Lawrence Bathurst, on 28 Apr 1691, patented 5000 acs. in New Kent Co., S. side of Pamunky Riv. on a br of Crump's Cr.  It had been deserted and was now granted, seemingly again in 1691, for transport of 10 persons, only a few named in  abstracted patent.   Pat. Bk 8, p. 135.  Refer to Nell Marion Nugent, Cavaliers and Pioneers, Vol. 2, p. 359) Hanover Co. was formed 1721 from New Kent Co.  New Kent Co. was formed 1654 from York Co. and later James City County.  Most records were destroyed by fires in 1787 and in 1865.      5.  20 Feb 1723 - Overton, James - Hanover Co. - 400 A. on the N. side the S. fork of Elk Crk. Patent 11, p. 323. (1)      6.  7 Jan 1725 - Overton, Wm. (son of Saml) Hanover Co. - 400 A on both sides the South & North fork of Elk Creek adjoining John Ragland's line.  Patent 12, p. 335      In St. Paul's Vestry Book, Hanover Co., VA, not only do we find William Harris, church warden in 1722, but also "Mr. James Overton," was admitted as vestryman the same year.  Later there is reference to lands of Samuel Overton and James Overton.     Some later Overtons are found in Hanover Co.  Land Book of 1782, St. Martin's Parish gives these names:      Col. Sam Overton's 1428 A was put at 20 [pds] = 14.5.7      Wm. Overton's 1096 A was put at 20 [pds] = 14.5.7      (Rosewell Page, HANOVER COUNTY, ITS HISTORY & LEGENDS, privately publ. 1926; William & Mary College, Swem Library F232 H3P13) .........       Overton Harris 1080 A was put at 16 [pds] = 8.12.0.  (He most probably is NOT our ancestor of the same name, who died testate in Madison Co., KY in 1827.)      Temperance Overton Harris is said to have been the mother of thirteen children, but there is much disagreement about the names of these children and the number.  Refer to Virginia Armistead Nelson, "Genealogical Notes on Keziah Harris Nelson Who Lived in Hanover County, Virginia, in the 18th Century," in GENEALOGIES OF VIRGINIA FAMILIES, VOLUME II, p. 756 ff. (1)  Reference is made to Elk Creek and to Overton's land in one of the few remaining colonial deeds of Hanover Co.: ca 1734: p 63-64  Deed of Gift  I Thomas Carr of St. Margretts Par., Caroline Co., Gent. for Natural love and affection I bare my well beloved son John Carr; 1,000 acres in Hanover Co on both sides the north fork of Elk Creek on both sides Tunifors Lowground Swamp and on south side rhe North Anna as per pattent granted to me then of King William Co. bearing date 17 August 1725...John Ragland's corner on the river bank along Ragland's line...Raglands and James Overtons corner...on both sides the north fork of Elk Creek.                                                  /s/ Thos Carr Wit:  Wm. Mackgehee, Wm. Carr, John Sith 7 June 1734 ack. by Thomas Carr Gent.

Evelyn & everyone, This Richard Harris was, I believe, somehow related to our William Harris (1669-1733), who married Temperance Overton (DNA Group 6.) This Richard died about 1735, and left an oldest son, Richard, with a number of younger children (one of whom was a Robert, which I may have mistakenly identified as the Robert of Guilford Co., NC who married Leminder Smith.) NOTE that one of Charles Fleming's importations of 1714 was TEMPERANCE HARRIS, who appears to me to have been the wife of our William Harris? (Earlier researchers have shown her as having died in 1710, but the photo that I have of her tombstone appears to show a death year of 1716.) Here is SOME of my research on our mutual line. Pam ========================================= Records Compiled by: Pamela Howerton Stone Ross pamstone@cfl.rr.com 362 North Brevard Avenue Cocoa Beach, FL 32931-2936 ========================================= Extracted from: NUGENT, Nell Marion: Cavaliers and Pioneers: Abstracts of Virginia Land Patents and Grants, Vol. Three: 1695-1732; Copyright, 1979, by the Virginia State Library; Published, 1979, Republished, 1992, by the Virginia State Library and Archives, Richmond, VA, USA; ISBN #0-88490-083-5 - p. 142: Virginia Land Office Patent Book 10, p. 132 Patent dtd. 16 June 1714 Charles FLEMING, 1427 acres of New Land in Henrico County, on the South side of James River, beginning at Mr. John Pleasants above Fine Creek. Due for the importation of 29 persons: John Turner, Thos. Blackey, Thos. Letherland, Peter Wells, [Leatherland] Samuel Cowper, Richd. Foster, Richard Peale, Michael Word, [Ward] John Sparrow, Francis Ellis, Phillis Foster, Phillis Turner, Cath. Taylor, Anne Mills, John Williamson, Lewis Barrow, Jane Merry, Humph. Browning, Wm. Cluney, TEMPERANCE HARRIS, Eliz. Thompson, Thomas Thompson, Mary Nash, Wm. Thornehill, James Lightgoe, Edwd. Turland, Mathew Creed, Mary Brown, John Pethwood. =============================================== Extracted from: CHAMBERLAYNE, C. G. [Churchill Gibson]: The Vestry Book of St. Paul’s Parish, Hanover County, Virginia, 1706-1786; Published, 1940, by the Library Board, Virginia State Library & Archives, Richmond, VA, USA -p. 60: ... Vestry Book p. 62 At a Vestry held at the Lower Church 7br ye 26,th 1713 ... - p. 61: ... To lie in the Church Wardens hands for Richd HARRIS} when he hath Shingled the upper Church } 4500 ... - ============================================================= p. 70: Vestry Book p. 69 ... At a Vestry held at the Lower Church 8br, ye 15.th 1715 [15 October] P,res,t Mr Tho:s Sharp Clk Maj,r Nich,o Meriwether Cap.t Rob,t Anderson } M,r Henry Chiles M,r John White } M,r Rowl,d Horsley M,r John Mask } Mr Geo; Alvis Mr Edw;d Garland } M,r Ja,s Blackwell M,r Joseph Baughon } M,r W,m Merwether } Church Wardens St Pauls Parish D,r To Mr Tho,s Sharp, as P Law 16000 To John Fitsgerrald, as Clk & Reader 1500 To John Hall Sexton of the Lower Church 400 To his Acc,t Allow’d 80 To Rich,d Norcutt Sexton of the upper Church 400 To his Acc,t Allow’d 30 To the Widdow Pirant for 1 year 600 [Pyrant, Pyron] To the Widdow Leak for John Andersons Child for 1 year 500 To Maj,r Meriwether Last year 111 ll [lb?] Tob,o this year 60½ 171½ To Rich,d HARRIS’s Acc,t Allow’d 150 To Mr Geo: Alvis for Several acc,ts 1872 To his Acc,t last year 74 To the Widdow Leak’s acc,t old 12½ - p. 71: To 16 Tithables run away at 31 P, Poll 496 To M,r Clopton’s acc,t 105---10 P C,t abate 95 [William Clopton] To M,r Cloptons acc,t for Delinquents 307 Carried Over 22688 Vestry Book p. 70 Brought Forward 22688 To M,r Clopton for 4 days attendance to Settle and } account for the Parish Collection as the Church } 800 Wardens are to by Law } _____ 23488 To M,r Joseph Baughon for Wine. to M,r James Taylor to pt aba 60 To M,r Thorntons Acc,t 577---10 P C.t abated 497 To Stephen Raglin to a Sheet for Rich,d Horn 65 [Ragland] To John Venable for looking after Rich,d Horn besides having his horse 50 _____ 24210 Cred,t by Rich:d Pond 500 _____ 23710 _____ By 729 Tithables at 32½ P Poll comes to 23692½ To be paid the Collector next year 17½ _____ 23710 Whereas M,r David Anderson appeard this day with an Order of Court to Clear Paumonkey River on the South Side from the Piping Tree* to Hardings Landing, & for this Vestry to aSsist him with men & materials to perform the Same This Vestry is of opinion as formerly they have been, viz: that this parish is not Able to Comply w;th that Charge ... [Note: “The Piping Tree” reference is also found in several other Virginia counties, and has perplexed various historians for years. I have read conjectures regarding its meaning, some historians proposing that this tree could have referred to a ferry landing and that the passengers wishing passage across the river would blow a pipe to summon the ferry from the opposite shore. This appears logical on the surface of the argument, but in at least one instance it is absolutely clear that the tree referred to was not beside the river, but well inland. My guess is that the tree referred was at the militia muster grounds, and that the pipe was blown to send out an alarm in the area in the event of attack.---PHSR] ===========================================

I recommend this book which is digitized and on the online database HeritageQuest [may be at your public library or a nearby library or your State library--ask your librarian about this. Try to find the second book also.  It may be on Familysearch.org under Hanover Co.  I cut and pasted these fromHeritageQuest catalog, and the formatting does not transfer neatly. E.W.Wallace C G Chamberlayne [View Hits] [View Image] The vestry book of St. Paul's Parish, Hanover County, Virginia, 1706-1786 Richmond: The Library Board, 1940, 695 pgs. 2.   Anderson, Edward L. [View Hits] [View Image] The Andersons of Gold Mine, Hanover County, Virginia Unknown :: 1913, 37 pgs.

Mary, I am a bit confused by the list of names you provide from the law suit. I understand the names in #1 are the children of Joel Harris, son of Edward and Mary Thorpe Harris. What I am not clear on is who are the persons in lines 2 through 9-- Are these also children of Joel Harris? Regards, Warren Carah Brighton, MI Harris Group 4 -----Original Message----- From: harris-hunters-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:harris-hunters-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary Kennedy Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 9:04 PM To: HARRIS-HUNTERS@rootsweb.com Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Names in chancery suit of Lewis Harris Hello, by request I am posting the names in the chancery suit of 1828 regarding estate of Lewis Harris the elder. I know that a page was published in a magzine with a page from the suit. One page only was used ,HOWEVER ,there were 2 suits totaling over 35 pages. Please be assured that I personally have copies of the orginals of the suit., all pages. I am very aware about published records regarding this family. I am also very aware that several lines published in certain books (considered cutting edge) regarding other families, Not Harris, have been clearly and totally disproven by actual court documentation. Three of these within the last 2 months. This from a source,of whom I am well acquainted and who is in genealogy related profession, who had been present on these occasions . I think people are becoming more aware of the need to search and when they search, well--they find. I can understand how that happens as my mother years ago in haste, thinking she remembered what she had been told as a child was to do an article for a book, she found a record that matched a name she thought she remembered, and the article made its way into the book. Big Error, sometime later,I found the real records for the right man and they were NOT even a close match,to what she sent, she was mortified. To this day , I am told that the book said such &such, proof doesn't even work. AHHH the power of the printed word. While I use information for clues, I donot take these for fact until I can verify. You should do the same with what I am sending in this post!!!! I cannot stess verify, verify , verify enough. You may never arrive at an absolute conclusion but at least you can ascertain whether you have a serious error in your genealogy. If you cannot reach a definate proof by process of elemination you can probably arrive at a TENTATIVE conclusion. While this is not the ideal it may prevent your citing the wrong ancestor. I would rather have a "maybe" of a GAP than the wrong one just to complete the family tree.But you have to cite WHY your "maybe" is the most likely one, which usually involves ruling a whole lot of other people out by ,again, documented records. The post that cites the records that prove Joel Harris son of Edward and Mary Thorpe Myrick was dead in 1750 was posted a few days ago. The reason I posted that was because I had been chastised(in private email) some years ago for not realizing, that with Joel being a minor when his father died, Mary had been over his estate and that it was purely the relinquishment (in 1750)to handle his affaris until he became of age. I had known for some time that he was of age before 1750 and deceased in more than one record in 1750, but had cold feet about posting again for several years. I will give the names in the first chancery suit which only changed in the second suit by the # of children for Suckey Ricks. I will note that with her name. Most all of these had a number of children who died before Lewis did. I know this from legal records. The names of the deceased Lewis Harris's brothers and sister as stated in the initial suit will be given with their children LIVING at the time of the suit. All of these names are in the FIRST suit in either initial cause, decree or both After the heirs could not get their money from Lewis the adm. they took him to court again. A couple of notes have been added. John Mason was the attorney for the complainants . 1)Joel Harris decd. has children Gideon, Polly,Priscilla wife of William Felts, Joel, Howell, Henry, Lewis (adminstrator AND DEFENDANT) Sally Grizzard w/o John Grizzard. 2)Hamlin Harris decd. only child William who is "an infant" who is represented by his "next friend" Howell Harris s/o Joel above **it actually states who Howell was in suit 3)Howell Harris decd. (mine who married Edith Thorpe) had children Williamson (mine), Henry, Sylvia/SilviaFerrell , and Priscilla Ferrell .. 4)Randolph Harris decd. children Polly, Rebecca, Joel Harris and Cofield *** their mother was Mary Seward Harris 5)John Harris decd. children Howell, Betsy( wife of John ---eb--n??) , *** I now know it was Tillman, Robertson is Robinson(from POA Nancy (wife of Wm. Robertson )and Sally (wife of Henry Williams) regarding another estate ) 6)Sally Harris Reese decd. had children Harris Reese, Redmond Reese, John Reese, Betsy(married to Arthur Adams) and daughter Polly Reese Ivey who has died by the time of suit . The children of Polly Reese Ivey decd. are Norfleet Ivey and Sally who are represented by their "next friend" George Ivey. 7)Olive Harris Harris (she married Joshua Harris) and is probably the smudged *** other records show Olive without the smudge name in the brothers and sisters of Lewis decd.. had children Fady (wife of John Christian), Jincey (wife of Wm Green), Priscilla (wife of Grigsby Rush), another Howell, Jas. Harris, Joshua Harris , Sally decd.(wife of Nathan Horn)and whose # and names of her heirs is unknown, and Nancy decd. (who was the wife of Robert Green)...the children of Nancy Harris Green and Robert Green are the heirs to their mother's part of her uncle Lewis's estate..their names are Betsy(married----ry Harris), Olive, Fady(wife of John Mc?loed), Nancy *** Betsey's husband is later shown Henry Harris (wife of ____ Shamwell) 8)Lucy Harris Mclemore decd. children Joel Mclemore and Burwell Mclemore 9)Suckey Harris Ricks decd. the # and names of her children unknown ****later suit shows she had 4, one of these had died,no names they" are out of this Commonwealth" While searching over and over the court records of SH County Va. and reading what others have given as their ancestors of the various Harris families there I have noticed a few things that are highly unlikely or downright impossible to achieve. Over many years of careful research of these long ago times of the 1700's and early 1800's, I have learned, at least, a few things: 1)Extremely rare (if at all possible)for 10 children to have been born in 10 years and ALL lived, if some died then that means more than 10 children in 10 years. The wife would probably have died long before the last were born so this would involve another wife in all the mix. Even a couple of multiple births would be stretching it if , they were very lucky, to have one survive. 2)If there were that many children (all would have had to be minors) then someone somewhere was accountable for their care and definately wanted to be reimbursed from an estate. This is invaribley true , no matter who cared for them. If they are not the orphans of someone and have no guardians for their interest , then father must still be alive. Therefore one can be pretty certain any children would be the children of someone who is still living. 3)multiple daughters did not marry in their later 30's/early 40's and have numerous children 4)Multiple brothers of one family were not begatting children in their 80's , mayyyyyyyyyybe one but not likely more. 5) Multiple brothers in the same family were not living until near the age of 100. 6) Most IMPORTANT ..no one is begatting children decades after they have died. 7) entire families did not move away to one state and the children all go back, one by one, to the home county in another state to marry. Travel was way to hard back then for all that back and forth business, especially when it is pretty apparent they did not move in the first place. I would seriously doubt if living in another state they would rush back(multiple times over many years) to SH to inventory various person's grubbing hoes, clothes, dishes and witness deeds not pertaining to them and then rush back to another state. Not to mention jury duties which they could not have done in the first place if living somewhere else. I hope this helps someone, Mary Kennedy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am sending the transcribed copies of the papers I have regarding the FIRSTsuit. I am including the Decree first and then the initial suit after that. While I have proof read this several times, I urge you to verify for yourself what the suit states and not rely on my feeble efforts. There is a large amount of names and relationships mentioned. In my previous post I broke it down a little while naming heirs. I have not completed the transcripton of the second suit yet, but I have read it numerous times , enough to know that as to the relationship of these named, nothing had changed. It is more clear on the adm. Lewis's relationship to Lewis whose estate he is over. He is his nephew and it says such. I did not include papers that gave no names , one was just a note by Lewis that he has done as ordered(to sell land and slaves).Report of actual sale is at the bottom of this post. Southampton County November Court 1828 This is the decree which more clearly shows who defendant is IF everything lines up correctly at the end of the decree If not I will try something else. .The entire 1st suit located Library of Va. Reel # 421 starts with image # 25 Gideon Harris, Polly Harris, William Felts & Priscilla his wife late Harris ,Joel Harris, Howell Harris, Henry Harris , James Harris and John Grizzard and Sally his wife late Sally Harris which said Gideon, Polly, Priscilla, Joel, Howell, Henry, James, Sally and LEWIS hereafter named DEFENDANT are the children AND HEIRS of JOEL HARRIS dc’d-- --------- William Harris , infant and only child of Hamlin Harris dc’d by the said Howell Harris son of Joel his next friend. -- --Williamson Harris,__ Ferrell and Sylvia his wife late Harris, ___Ferrell and Priscilla his wife late Harris and Henry Harris which said Williamson, Sylvia, Priscilla and Henry are the children and heirs of Howell Harris dc’d.--------Polly Harris, Rebecca Harris, Joel Harris and Cofield Harris which said Polly, Rebecca, Joel and Cofield are the children and heirs of Randolph Harris dc’d------Howell Harris, John T___(Tillman) and Betsy his wife late Harris, Wm Robertson(Robinson) and Nancy his wife late Harris , Henry Williamson(Williams) and Sally his wife late Harris which said Howel, Betsy, Nancy and Sally are the children and heirs of John Harris dc’d---John Christian and Fady his wife late Harris, Wm Green & Jincey his wife late Harris, Grigsby Rush and Priscilla late Harris, Howell Harris, James Harris and Joshua Harris, __ry??(Henry) Harris and Betsy his wife late Green , Olive Green, John McLeod and Fady his wife late Green ___Shamwell and Nancy his wife late Green, which said Betsy, Olive , Fady and Nancy are the children and heirs of Nancy wife of Robert Green now dec’d who was Nancy Harris and ______children and heirs of Sally the dc’d wife of Nathan Horn who was Sally Harris, the names and number of her children being unknown- which said Fady Christian , Nancy Green dc’d , Jincey, Priscilla, Sally, Howel, James and Joshua were the only children and heirs of Olive wife of Joshua Harris dc’d---Harris Reese, Redmond Reese, John Reese, Rivers Reese, Howell Reese, Charity Reese, Arthur Adams & Betsy his wife & Sally & Norfleet Ivey infant children & heirs of Polly Ivey dc’d who was Polly Reese by George Ivey their next friend which said Harris, Redmond, John, Rivers, Howell, Charity, Betsy & Polly were the children & heirs of Sally Reese dc’d formerly Sally Harris----Joel McLemore & Burwell McLemore , children & heirs of Lucy McLemore dc’d who was Lucy Harris ---_________ children and heirs of Suckey Ricks dc’d who was Suckey Harris whose names and number are as yet unknown & who reside out of this commonwealth____COMPLAINTS VS bracket LEWIS HARRIS,son of Joel ,heir as well as in his own right as adm of bracket IN Chancery LEWIS HARRIS the ELDER dc’d DEFENDANT bracket This cause was this day docketed by consent of parties with the officer? Of the Court and came on to be heard on the bill answer docket and was argued by counsel Consideration whereof the Court doth adjudge order and decree that Lewis Harris the defendant in this cause after duly advertising the time and place (continued on next page) of sale the lands and slaves whereof Lewis Harris the Elder died seized and possessed on a credit of 12 months--that he take bonds of the respective purchasers -payable to himself as commissioner with good security, with a deed of trust on the real Estate for its price and that he as commissioner make deeds and bills of sale to the purchases for the said lands and slaves and how he shall have acted in the previous & make report in order to a further decree. A Copy Teste James Rochelle Clk END OF DECREE The actual names in parenthesis of some illegible writing was obtained when I found a Power of Attorney(they lived out of state) to their brother Howell Harris from them regarding the the recovery of the estates of John Harris and and William Ivy(a relative) and getting their part of those estates. Interestingly enough the POA was dated 1827 a year after Lewis the elder had died and about a year before the suit, yet , they did not seem to be aware that they had any interest in Lewis Harris's estate as there is no mention of it. The INITIAL complaint of the first suit of the Estate of Lewis Harris “The Elder which names his brothers and sisters Southampton County Chancery Causes 1749-1909 microfilmed at the Library of Va. Reel # 421 starting with image #25 The initial cause outside cover filed by the complainants was Oct 1828 the suit was styled as: Lewis Harris’s heirs bracket vs bracket Bill an.(answer) Lewis Harris’s adm. 1828 Oct. decreed as filed of Mason ( John Mason was the attorney for the heirs filing the suit.) To the worshipful the County Court of Southampton sitting in equity Humbly complaining show Unto your worship, your Complts. Gideon Harris, Polly Harris, Wm Felts & Priscilla his wife late Harris , Joel Harris, Howel Harris, Henry Harris , James Harris and John Grizzard and Salley his wife, late Salley Harris which sd. Gideon , Polly, Priscilla, Joel, Howel, Henry , James, Salley and Lewis hereinafter named Defendant are the children & heirs of Joel Harris dec’d ------------Wm. Harris , infant and only child of Hamlin Harris dec’d by the said Howel, son of Joel , his next friend.. Wmson (Williamson) Harris,_______Ferrell & Silvia his wife late Harris, __________Ferrell & Priscilla his wife late Harris, and Henry Harris , which said Wmson, Silvia, Priscilla, and Henry are the children and heirs of Howel Harris dec’d. Polly Harris, Rebecca Harris, Joel Harris, and Cofield Harris which said Polly, Rebecca, Joel & Cofield are the children and heirs of Randolph Harris dec’d ----Howel Harris, John Tilman,& Betsey his wife late Harris, Henry Wm H Robertson & Nancy his wife late Harris, Henry W. Williams and Salley his wife late Harris which said Howel, Betsey, Nancy and Salley are the children & heirs of John Harris dec’d------ John Christian and Fady his wife late Harris, Wm Green & Jincy his wife late Harris, Grigsby Rush and Priscilla his wife late Harris, Howel Harris , James Harris & Joshua Harris, Henry Harris and Betsey his wife late Green, Olive Green, John McLoed and Fady his wife late Green, _____Shamwell and Nancy his wife late Green which said Betsey, Olive, Fady and Nancy are the children & heirs of Nancy wife of Robert Green now dec’d who was Nancy Harris and _____ ____ children and heirs of Salley ^now dec’d wife of Nathan Horn who was Salley Harris, the names & number of her children being unknown --which said Fady Christian, Nancy Green dec’d, Jincey, Priscilla, Salley(deceased), Howel, James & Joshua were the only children and heirs of Olive ,wife of Joshua Harris, dec’d . ___________ Harris Reese, Redmond Reese, John Reese, Rivers Reese, Howel Reese, Charity Reese Arthur Adams & Betsey his wife, & Salley & Norfleet Ivy infants children & heirs of Polly Ivy dec’d who was Polly Reese by George Ivy their next friend, which said Harris, Redmond, ,John, Rivers, Howel, Charity, Betsey & Polly were the children & heirs of Salley Reese dec’d formerly Salley Harris. ---------Joel McLemore & Burwell Mclemore children & heirs of Lucy Mclemore dec’d who was Lucy Harris ____ ____ ____ children and heirs of Suckey Ricks dec’d who was Suckey Harris , whose names and numbers are as yet unknown & who reside out of this Commonwealth. That Lewis Harris, the elder, departed this life in the year 1826 in this county , intestate, unmarried and without issue--that he had no father, mother, brother, sister, grandfather or grandfather(mother) living--but his next of kin were your Complts. and the above mentioned Lewis Harris, son of Joel, children & descendants of the decedents brothers and sisters, Joel, Hamlin, Randolph, Howel, John, Olive(smudged), Salley, Lucy & Suckey __that his estate consisted of about ____slaves, with a good perishable estate , four hundred & fifty six acres of land on which he resided situate in this county, and fifty-nine acres of low ground in Greenville County. That your worships will perceive at once the utter impractically of a division of this property in kind amongst his heirs, who amount to more than 40 in number ^&their respective shares of the land cannot exceed $100 and who reside in several states of this union __they therefore come, they pray that a sale maybe effected of the whole property and a division had of the proceeds amongst them. They further state, that this worshipful court granted administration on the decedents estate to the said Lewis Harris, son of Joel , as will appear by a copy of the letters of Admn. hereto annexed as a part of this bill. That he has sold the perishable estate and hired out the negroes for this year, and your Complts believe is under no necessity to keep possession of reason on acct of the debts of the estate. That the sale and division above desired cannot be effected with out the aid of this court sitting in equity. In tender consideration whereof and for as much as your Complts are remediles(sic) at law, and only releivable(sic) in this court where such matters are peculiarly cognizable to the end that the said Lewis Harris , son of Joel, adm of the said Lewis Harris dec’d and in his own right be made Defendant hereto. and compelled to answer the allegations hereof, they pray the C-mittis(?) Is(issue?) a direct dr(order?) that your worship will decree a sale of the s’d land and slaves on such terms as your worships may deem best and a division of the proceeds , as also of the balance in the hand of the s’d adm amongst these several heirs of the said decedent , agreeably (sic)to their respective rights - and grant them and such other and general relief in the premises as may be consistent with equity & the nature of their case and as in duty bound, they will ever pray Mason fr C. On the same page is the answer as follows: The answer of Lewis Harris, son of Joel, admitted in his own right as adm of Lewis Harris the elder dec’d To the foregoing bill of complaint. This Respondent serving for answer to the said bill says, that he admits its allegations and has no objection to the decree pray ed for ---& having answered, prays to be hence dismissed END OF INITIAL COMPLAINT AND ANSWER No place in these does it say that Lewis "the elder" who was deceased, is the son of Joel -----It DOES say that Lewis the admin. and heir was the son of Joel Harris ..this Joel Harris was the deceased brother of Lewis "the Elder" ,---- making Lewis the admin. the nephew of the deceased. The later chancery suit of 1830 mentions SPECIFICALLY that the adm. Lewis is the nephew of the Lewis whose estate is in chancery. Note: The children of Olive Harris Harris ’s daughters who had died are mentioned above. Those daughters were Nancy who married Robert Green and Salley who married Nathan Horn. The deceased daughter of Salley Harris Reese whose name was Polly who married __Ivy has children named above as well. Gideon, the son of Joel had been declared presumed dead in 1824 after having been gone far more than seven years and not heard from, this was in regards to his father Joel's estate. Joel had died about 1822. However, he did return in 1824, nothing like an inheritance to bring one back from the dead. Note: Lewis is the only defendant but had to be included with the children of Joel dec’d as he was their brother and heir as well as the one being sued. The other children of Joel and the rest of these are complainants. Later suit will show just how much Lewis must have been trying to keep . In complaint it is noted that he had kept estate (including money since he has “sold” perishables) in his hands “by reason of debt” of the estate .An unfounded and not a good enough or valid reason and the heirs knew it. The value of the estate became clear when these heirs had to go back to court again to get it after it had been awarded to them. He had sold the perishable estate which was appraised Dec. 1827 and turned in Jan. 1828 around 2 years after Lewis died. The inventory is extensive but it would be hard to know if it was all included as it had probably already been sold when appraisal was done. I expect some hogs had been butchered, some brandy consumed, honey gathered from bee hives and cotton seed used., just to name a few. There is no record of anyone who bought the perishables and there was apparently no public sale. Only the sale of slaves and land was recorded later after the suit was filed and about 2 years after Lewis had died. The inventory /appraisal was not filed with the chancery suit, see farther down. The perishables probably never left from Lewis’s possession once he was made administrator. Someone had the livestock, bees (18 hives), brandy, cotton seed and other items in the approx. 2 year time span between the death and the inventory/appraisal . In addition, in the second chancery suit the estate was owed over 200 pds(older debts) and some dollar amounts by persons who were listed as insolvents , about 4 pages of insolvents who owed him money. 200 pds was not to be considered a small sum as it meant sterling which by the 1820’s , if it could have been collected, would probably have been rendered in dollars. No idea how much that would have been at that time. Not only that but, in the second suit, after keeping everything for so long, HE wanted bonds from the heirs, in part, so he could pay their attorney’s fees from their money to get what had been rightfully theirs. He should have been the one who had to pay their attorney out of his part of the estate.!! The last suit was about 4 years after Lewis had died . The last part of the first suit that gives any names is the sale of the land and slaves and it is as follows: The Sale of the Estate of Lewis Harris (the Elder) Accounts entered into Court Records by Lewis Harris (son of Joel), Commissioner to sell Submitted to the Court in May 15, 1829, in parenthesis it was noted it was not due until Dec. 1829. The amounts due are on credit of 12 months which would end in Dec. 1829 attached with the signed letter of compliance with the court’s order The sale was apparently on Dec. 24th 1828. The left column is the property being sold and the buyer in the right column and the amount paid, columns did not line up well when sent to email..hopefully they won't be too badly out of line when posted to the list. Account of Sales of the Land and Negroes belonging To the Estate of Lewis Harris dc’d by Lewis Harris Commissioner appointed by a decree of the County Court of Southampton on a credit of Twelve Months. Dec. 24th 1828 (due Dec. 24th 1829) ___________________________________________________________________________________ 456 Acres Land at $5.00 Oris A. Browne $2280.00 59 acres Low Ground Lewis Dupree 151.00 Negro Fellow George same 499.50 “ “ Will David Westbrook 496.00 “ “ Abram Thos. Applewhite 519.00 “ “ Issac Newit Drew 500.00 “ “ Jacob Howell Harris in NCarolina 513.75 Woman Ginny & 2 children} Artwell(?)& Martha } John Drury 475.00 “ Edith & child Eliza Joel Harris 381.00 “ Pab & child John Thorpe 350.00 “ Girl Cherry Grigsby Rush 130.00 “ Clemy(?) same 165.50 Old Negro Woman Estelle(?) Howell Harris in NCarolina 10.25 “ “ Fellow Austin Symon(Simon?) Powell .25 $6453.25 Lewis Harris Commissioner It is so sad to see slave sales but even worse is that a person, could be bought for .25 cents but I did the math and that is what Austin sold for. This is the same Lewis “the Elder” as the Will Bk 10 pp 80, 81 Jan. 21, 1828 inventory of his estate,as these are the same slave names, so this is the same property. NO will---- just recorded in will book where it seems alot of records without wills were. Since this was many years after the death of Howell Harris h/o Edith Thorp and the father of Williamson who were of Franklin Co. NC, there was another Howell living in NC. I know for certain that Howell and Edith were deceased and that Williamson and brother Henry Harris were already in Carroll Co. Tenn. by the time of the suit. The Howell named in the sale could have been a cousin but it was definitely NOT MY Howell. The actual MONEY from the buyers for these was not due until Dec. 1829 this was filed to prove to the court that a sale had been conducted as ordered The heirs had not received any of their part by May of 1830 . When Lewis finally presented the accounts of the estate to the court in 1830 the total assets on hand were over $11,000.00. out of which was paid funeral and other debts. There was still enough for 45 heirs (including Lewis himself) to receive over $266.00 each. End of Estate Sale Will send more when I find time to finish transcripts of second suit. Remember, verify, as some of the writing was poor and hard to read but I did check it over many times. I have been able to verify MANY of the children named as the heirs by other court records..I also know that a fairly large number of the children of some of these brothers and sisters did not survive to be named in the suits and apparently left no children to be named. Mary Kennedy

Hello, by request I am posting the names in the chancery suit of 1828 regarding estate of Lewis Harris the elder. I know that a page was published in a magzine with a page from the suit. One page only was used ,HOWEVER ,there were 2 suits totaling over 35 pages. Please be assured that I personally have copies of the orginals of the suit., all pages. I am very aware about published records regarding this family. I am also very aware that several lines published in certain books (considered cutting edge) regarding other families, Not Harris, have been clearly and totally disproven by actual court documentation. Three of these within the last 2 months. This from a source,of whom I am well acquainted and who is in genealogy related profession, who had been present on these occasions . I think people are becoming more aware of the need to search and when they search, well--they find. I can understand how that happens as my mother years ago in haste, thinking she remembered what she had been told as a child was to do an article for a book, she found a record that matched a name she thought she remembered, and the article made its way into the book. Big Error, sometime later,I found the real records for the right man and they were NOT even a close match,to what she sent, she was mortified. To this day , I am told that the book said such &such, proof doesn't even work. AHHH the power of the printed word. While I use information for clues, I donot take these for fact until I can verify. You should do the same with what I am sending in this post!!!! I cannot stess verify, verify , verify enough. You may never arrive at an absolute conclusion but at least you can ascertain whether you have a serious error in your genealogy. If you cannot reach a definate proof by process of elemination you can probably arrive at a TENTATIVE conclusion. While this is not the ideal it may prevent your citing the wrong ancestor. I would rather have a "maybe" of a GAP than the wrong one just to complete the family tree.But you have to cite WHY your "maybe" is the most likely one, which usually involves ruling a whole lot of other people out by ,again, documented records. The post that cites the records that prove Joel Harris son of Edward and Mary Thorpe Myrick was dead in 1750 was posted a few days ago. The reason I posted that was because I had been chastised(in private email) some years ago for not realizing, that with Joel being a minor when his father died, Mary had been over his estate and that it was purely the relinquishment (in 1750)to handle his affaris until he became of age. I had known for some time that he was of age before 1750 and deceased in more than one record in 1750, but had cold feet about posting again for several years. I will give the names in the first chancery suit which only changed in the second suit by the # of children for Suckey Ricks. I will note that with her name. Most all of these had a number of children who died before Lewis did. I know this from legal records. The names of the deceased Lewis Harris's brothers and sister as stated in the initial suit will be given with their children LIVING at the time of the suit. All of these names are in the FIRST suit in either initial cause, decree or both After the heirs could not get their money from Lewis the adm. they took him to court again. A couple of notes have been added. John Mason was the attorney for the complainants . 1)Joel Harris decd. has children Gideon, Polly,Priscilla wife of William Felts, Joel, Howell, Henry, Lewis (adminstrator AND DEFENDANT) Sally Grizzard w/o John Grizzard. 2)Hamlin Harris decd. only child William who is "an infant" who is represented by his "next friend" Howell Harris s/o Joel above **it actually states who Howell was in suit 3)Howell Harris decd. (mine who married Edith Thorpe) had children Williamson (mine), Henry, Sylvia/SilviaFerrell , and Priscilla Ferrell .. 4)Randolph Harris decd. children Polly, Rebecca, Joel Harris and Cofield *** their mother was Mary Seward Harris 5)John Harris decd. children Howell, Betsy( wife of John ---eb--n??) , *** I now know it was Tillman, Robertson is Robinson(from POA Nancy (wife of Wm. Robertson )and Sally (wife of Henry Williams) regarding another estate ) 6)Sally Harris Reese decd. had children Harris Reese, Redmond Reese, John Reese, Betsy(married to Arthur Adams) and daughter Polly Reese Ivey who has died by the time of suit . The children of Polly Reese Ivey decd. are Norfleet Ivey and Sally who are represented by their "next friend" George Ivey. 7)Olive Harris Harris (she married Joshua Harris) and is probably the smudged *** other records show Olive without the smudge name in the brothers and sisters of Lewis decd.. had children Fady (wife of John Christian), Jincey (wife of Wm Green), Priscilla (wife of Grigsby Rush), another Howell, Jas. Harris, Joshua Harris , Sally decd.(wife of Nathan Horn)and whose # and names of her heirs is unknown, and Nancy decd. (who was the wife of Robert Green)...the children of Nancy Harris Green and Robert Green are the heirs to their mother's part of her uncle Lewis's estate..their names are Betsy(married----ry Harris), Olive, Fady(wife of John Mc?loed), Nancy *** Betsey's husband is later shown Henry Harris (wife of ____ Shamwell) 8)Lucy Harris Mclemore decd. children Joel Mclemore and Burwell Mclemore 9)Suckey Harris Ricks decd. the # and names of her children unknown ****later suit shows she had 4, one of these had died,no names they" are out of this Commonwealth" While searching over and over the court records of SH County Va. and reading what others have given as their ancestors of the various Harris families there I have noticed a few things that are highly unlikely or downright impossible to achieve. Over many years of careful research of these long ago times of the 1700's and early 1800's, I have learned, at least, a few things: 1)Extremely rare (if at all possible)for 10 children to have been born in 10 years and ALL lived, if some died then that means more than 10 children in 10 years. The wife would probably have died long before the last were born so this would involve another wife in all the mix. Even a couple of multiple births would be stretching it if , they were very lucky, to have one survive. 2)If there were that many children (all would have had to be minors) then someone somewhere was accountable for their care and definately wanted to be reimbursed from an estate. This is invaribley true , no matter who cared for them. If they are not the orphans of someone and have no guardians for their interest , then father must still be alive. Therefore one can be pretty certain any children would be the children of someone who is still living. 3)multiple daughters did not marry in their later 30's/early 40's and have numerous children 4)Multiple brothers of one family were not begatting children in their 80's , mayyyyyyyyyybe one but not likely more. 5) Multiple brothers in the same family were not living until near the age of 100. 6) Most IMPORTANT ..no one is begatting children decades after they have died. 7) entire families did not move away to one state and the children all go back, one by one, to the home county in another state to marry. Travel was way to hard back then for all that back and forth business, especially when it is pretty apparent they did not move in the first place. I would seriously doubt if living in another state they would rush back(multiple times over many years) to SH to inventory various person's grubbing hoes, clothes, dishes and witness deeds not pertaining to them and then rush back to another state. Not to mention jury duties which they could not have done in the first place if living somewhere else. I hope this helps someone, Mary Kennedy

While *messing about* [I think this phrase is from the English children's book Wind in the Willows, which my kids, now almost 60 years old, liked to have read to them] I explored more of the many subjects on the online catalog of the Library of Virginia.  Land patents are of particular interest to me. I do not know this Richard Harris.  Does he belong to one of the subscribers?  Who are Fleming and Bradley?  Could these families have intermarried? E.W.Wallace This cut and paste addition may not transfer well to rootsweb, but we will experiment.  (If one is not curious, how does one become a genealogist-amateur or professional?)   URL (Click on link) http://image.lva.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/GetLONN.pl?first=435&last=&g_p=P10&collection=LO Patent  Author Harris, Richard. grantee. Title Land grant 11 July 1719. Summary Location: New Kent County. Description: 400 acres beg.g at a white oak of Fleming and Bradlys land. Source: Land Office Patents No. 10, 1710-1719, p. 435 (Reel 10). Part of the index to the recorded copies of patents for land issued by the Secretary of the Colony serving as the colonial Land Office. The collection is housed in the Archives at the Library of Virginia. Other Format Available on microfilm. Virginia State Land Office. Patents 1-42, reels 1-41. Related See also the following surname(s): Harriss. Subject - Personal Harris, Richard. grantee. Subject - Topical Land titles -- Registration and transfer -- Virginia -- New Kent County. Subject -Geographic New Kent County (Va.) -- History -- 18th century. Genre/Form Land grants -- Virginia -- New Kent County. Added Entry Virginia. Colonial Land Office. Patents, 1623-1774. Library of Virginia. Archives.

Evelyn, When you ask was this Edward Harris the brother of Robert Harris, which Robert Harris are you talking about (the Robert that married Mourning Glenn?) If so, I don't believe that was the case. As I recall, this Edward Harris lived in the extreme southern part of Louisa Co., many miles away from our William and his son, Robert (1696-1765, who married Mourning Glenn.) Pam pamstone@cfl.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: harris-hunters-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:harris-hunters-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of EVELYN WALLACE Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 10:56 PM To: Harris Hunters Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Edward Harris Does any HarrisHunter have an idea of the identity of this man--Edward Harris? Reminder:  Louisa Co.VA was formed 1742 from Hanover Co.  Unlike Hanover Co., many of its colonial records remain intact.  This was the law in colonial Virginia--primogeniture.  If you do not know the meaning of this term, use either wikipedia--or a probably reliable dictionary.  The younger sons either had to be given land by their fathers (more common in Southside Virginia) or move elsewhere.  Tobacco wore out the land, historians tell us. Edward Harris - Is he a brother of Robert Harris? Louisa Co. DB A-105-106  5 Aug 1743  Edward Harris Fredericksville Par, Louisa Co. to William Harris of same.  10 pds, currt. money.  50 acres and plantation in Parish afsd... Capt. Dabney's corner.                         Edward Harris 12 Sept. 1743 acknowledged by Edward Harris Louisa Co. DB A - 369-370  5 Jan 1749 (1750)  Edward Harris of Louisa Co., and his wife, Anne, to William Watkins of Hanover Co.  80 pds. currt. money 150 acres and plantation on Cub Creek ... William Harris' corner; part of 400 acres granted William Harris, the deceased father of sd. Edward Harris, by patent 24 Mar 1725.                         Edward (H) Harris                         Anne (X) Harris Wit:  John Snead, Miles Burford, Saml. Snead, Israel Snead.  27 Mar 1750 proved by oaths of Miles Burford, Samuel Snead and Israel Snead.  Ann Harris acknowledged deed. (Rosalie Edith Davis, LOUISA COUNTY, VIRGINIA DEED BOOKS A AND B, 1742-1759 [Bellevue, WA:  Published by author, 1976], p. 53.)[Mrs. Davis' last known address was in Manchester, MO, but she does not answer e-mails. An *heir?* seems to have taken over, but I do not recall the URL.] E.W.Wallace ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, Pam. That is my understanding also. If I remember correctly, he is the one tied in with "the Glass House" in Jamestown. Ira On Jul 23, 2012, at 8:03 PM, Pam Stone wrote: > Ira, > > It has been many years since I researched William Claibourne/ > Claiborne. > > However, if my memory serves correctly, William Claiborne was > not actually a trained surveyor (so not technically qualified to > fulfill this office.) > > It appears that he hired qualified surveyors, and imported them to > perform surveys under his appointment, and these men were recorded > as his "servants" in his importation records. (Everyone assumes that > these men were indentured, but in fact I think they were not indentured, > but were freemen and qualified surveyors simply hired by William Claiborne.) > > The hired surveyors were William Harris, Anthony Burrowes, William Morris, > and John Phipps. > > Here is some documentation. > > Pam > pamstone@cfl.rr.com > > ========================================================== > > Compiled by Pamela Howerton Stone Ross > pamstone@cfl.rr.net > 362 North Brevard Avenue > Cocoa Beach, FL 32931-2938 > > Extracted from: > NUGENT, Nell Marion: Cavaliers and Pioneers: > Abstracts of Virginia Land Patents and Grants; > Vol. 1: 1623-1666; Originally Published, 1934, > by the Dietz Press, Richmond; Republished, 1992, > by the Virginia State Library and Archives, Richmond, > VA, USA; ISBN #0-88490-174-2 > > - > p. 6: > Virginia Colony Land Office Patent Book 1, Pt. 1, p. 41 > William Clayborne Gent. of James City, 150 acres in > the corporation of Elizabeth City, 5 June 1624. Divided > into two parcels: 50 acres North on the land of John > Gunnery, South to a Creek parting this & the land of > William Lansden, East upon the Southampton River > & West upon the maine land, 100 acres adjoining on > the other side of the said Lansden, extending Southwest- > ward to a Creek which divideth it from the land of > William Capps, East upon the said River, & West > upon the maine land. Due for the transportation out > of England at his own costs of 3 servants: > William HARRIS in the George in 1621, William MORRIS > & John Pipps [PHIPPS] in the Tyger 1621. > [Servants, in this case, proven by other documents to have > been educated apprentices or hired persons? OR some > possibly even William Claiborne's relations, I believe, but > have not yet proven.--PHSR.] > - > p. 12: > Virginia Colony Land Office Patent Book 1, Pt. 1, p. 12 > William HARRIS, Planter, of Warwick River, 100 acres about [now the > city of Newport News] > 2 miles below Blunt Point, abutting West on a Creek parting > the same from the land of Richard Tree, Easterly along the > maine river &c. Lease, as above.* > *[On p. 11 is the first patent in this format, that of "David Poole > of the Country of France, Vignorone, & now inhabiting > Elizabeth Citty"; this patent, as the next 9 following it, were > all dated 12 Dec 1627.--PHSR] > - > p. 12: > Virginia Colony Land Office Patent Book 1, Pt. 1, p. 94 > William HARRIS, Planter, of Warwick River, 50 acres about [now the > city of Newport News] > 2 miles below Blunt Point, West upon the land of the sd. > Harris, extending East 25 poles, South on the maine river > & North into the maine woods. Lease as above. 20 Nov 1628. > - > p. 11: > Virginia Colony Land Office Patent Book 1, Pt. 1, p. 69 > John LEYDEN, Ancient Planter, 100 acres on the East > side of Blunt Point Creek, abutting North on land granted > by lease to William Cooksey, extending Southerly to the > Creek (parting) the same from land now in the tenure of > Anthony BURROWES & William HARRIS. 2 Dec 1628. [now the > city of Newport News] > Formerly granted to him by Sir Georg Yeardley within the > Islands of Henricus & Coxendale 2 May 1619 (Marginal > note: This date is mistaken; it should be 26 Feb 1619.-NMN) > Which patent is now resigned in reguard of the great danger > of planting the same &c. > - > > ========================================================== > > -----Original Message----- > From: harris-hunters-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:harris-hunters-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ira Harris > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 3:05 PM > To: HARRIS-HUNTERS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Documentation For "The George" : William Harris > > THE CHRONICLES OF AMERICA SERIES, Allen Johnson, Editor PIONEERS OF THE OLD > SOUTH A Chronicles of English Colonial Beginnings by Mary Johnston Copyright > 1918, by Yale University Press New Haven: Yale University Press > > Chapter VII: YOUNG VIRGINIA, > Page 100 > "In 1621 Yeardley, desiring to be relieved, was succeeded by Sir Francis > Wyatt. In October the new Governor came from England in the GEORGE, and > with him a goodly company. > > Page 114 > "Virginians were already preparing for an expansion to the north. There was > a man in Virginia named William Claiborne. This individual --- able, > determined, self-reliant, energetic --- had come in as a young man, with the > title of surveyor general for the Company, in the ship that brought Sir > Francis Wyatt, just before the massacre of 1622" > > ************************* > Among the persons brought over by William Claiborne was William Harris. > William Harris was part of the surveying party of Secretary Claiborne. > For the next several years, William Harris was busy taking care of the > affairs of Secretary Claiborne, surveying and dealing in land, around > Jamestown. > Among the very sparse land records about Jamestown, his name is mentioned. > > Ira L. Harris III > Member, Group 6, Harris Y-DNA Family Study Line of Robert Harris of Ware > Creek, New Kent County, Virginia > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ira, It has been many years since I researched William Claibourne/ Claiborne. However, if my memory serves correctly, William Claiborne was not actually a trained surveyor (so not technically qualified to fulfill this office.) It appears that he hired qualified surveyors, and imported them to perform surveys under his appointment, and these men were recorded as his "servants" in his importation records. (Everyone assumes that these men were indentured, but in fact I think they were not indentured, but were freemen and qualified surveyors simply hired by William Claiborne.) The hired surveyors were William Harris, Anthony Burrowes, William Morris, and John Phipps. Here is some documentation. Pam pamstone@cfl.rr.com ========================================================== Compiled by Pamela Howerton Stone Ross pamstone@cfl.rr.net 362 North Brevard Avenue Cocoa Beach, FL 32931-2938 Extracted from: NUGENT, Nell Marion: Cavaliers and Pioneers: Abstracts of Virginia Land Patents and Grants; Vol. 1: 1623-1666; Originally Published, 1934, by the Dietz Press, Richmond; Republished, 1992, by the Virginia State Library and Archives, Richmond, VA, USA; ISBN #0-88490-174-2 - p. 6: Virginia Colony Land Office Patent Book 1, Pt. 1, p. 41 William Clayborne Gent. of James City, 150 acres in the corporation of Elizabeth City, 5 June 1624. Divided into two parcels: 50 acres North on the land of John Gunnery, South to a Creek parting this & the land of William Lansden, East upon the Southampton River & West upon the maine land, 100 acres adjoining on the other side of the said Lansden, extending Southwest- ward to a Creek which divideth it from the land of William Capps, East upon the said River, & West upon the maine land. Due for the transportation out of England at his own costs of 3 servants: William HARRIS in the George in 1621, William MORRIS & John Pipps [PHIPPS] in the Tyger 1621. [Servants, in this case, proven by other documents to have been educated apprentices or hired persons? OR some possibly even William Claiborne's relations, I believe, but have not yet proven.--PHSR.] - p. 12: Virginia Colony Land Office Patent Book 1, Pt. 1, p. 12 William HARRIS, Planter, of Warwick River, 100 acres about [now the city of Newport News] 2 miles below Blunt Point, abutting West on a Creek parting the same from the land of Richard Tree, Easterly along the maine river &c. Lease, as above.* *[On p. 11 is the first patent in this format, that of "David Poole of the Country of France, Vignorone, & now inhabiting Elizabeth Citty"; this patent, as the next 9 following it, were all dated 12 Dec 1627.--PHSR] - p. 12: Virginia Colony Land Office Patent Book 1, Pt. 1, p. 94 William HARRIS, Planter, of Warwick River, 50 acres about [now the city of Newport News] 2 miles below Blunt Point, West upon the land of the sd. Harris, extending East 25 poles, South on the maine river & North into the maine woods. Lease as above. 20 Nov 1628. - p. 11: Virginia Colony Land Office Patent Book 1, Pt. 1, p. 69 John LEYDEN, Ancient Planter, 100 acres on the East side of Blunt Point Creek, abutting North on land granted by lease to William Cooksey, extending Southerly to the Creek (parting) the same from land now in the tenure of Anthony BURROWES & William HARRIS. 2 Dec 1628. [now the city of Newport News] Formerly granted to him by Sir Georg Yeardley within the Islands of Henricus & Coxendale 2 May 1619 (Marginal note: This date is mistaken; it should be 26 Feb 1619.-NMN) Which patent is now resigned in reguard of the great danger of planting the same &c. - ========================================================== -----Original Message----- From: harris-hunters-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:harris-hunters-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ira Harris Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 3:05 PM To: HARRIS-HUNTERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Documentation For "The George" : William Harris THE CHRONICLES OF AMERICA SERIES, Allen Johnson, Editor PIONEERS OF THE OLD SOUTH A Chronicles of English Colonial Beginnings by Mary Johnston Copyright 1918, by Yale University Press New Haven: Yale University Press Chapter VII: YOUNG VIRGINIA, Page 100 "In 1621 Yeardley, desiring to be relieved, was succeeded by Sir Francis Wyatt. In October the new Governor came from England in the GEORGE, and with him a goodly company. Page 114 "Virginians were already preparing for an expansion to the north. There was a man in Virginia named William Claiborne. This individual --- able, determined, self-reliant, energetic --- had come in as a young man, with the title of surveyor general for the Company, in the ship that brought Sir Francis Wyatt, just before the massacre of 1622" ************************* Among the persons brought over by William Claiborne was William Harris. William Harris was part of the surveying party of Secretary Claiborne. For the next several years, William Harris was busy taking care of the affairs of Secretary Claiborne, surveying and dealing in land, around Jamestown. Among the very sparse land records about Jamestown, his name is mentioned. Ira L. Harris III Member, Group 6, Harris Y-DNA Family Study Line of Robert Harris of Ware Creek, New Kent County, Virginia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does any HarrisHunter have an idea of the identity of this man--Edward Harris? Reminder:  Louisa Co.VA was formed 1742 from Hanover Co.  Unlike Hanover Co., many of its colonial records remain intact.  This was the law in colonial Virginia--primogeniture.  If you do not know the meaning of this term, use either wikipedia--or a probably reliable dictionary.  The younger sons either had to be given land by their fathers (more common in Southside Virginia) or move elsewhere.  Tobacco wore out the land, historians tell us. Edward Harris - Is he a brother of Robert Harris? Louisa Co. DB A-105-106  5 Aug 1743  Edward Harris Fredericksville Par, Louisa Co. to William Harris of same.  10 pds, currt. money.  50 acres and plantation in Parish afsd... Capt. Dabney's corner.                         Edward Harris 12 Sept. 1743 acknowledged by Edward Harris Louisa Co. DB A - 369-370  5 Jan 1749 (1750)  Edward Harris of Louisa Co., and his wife, Anne, to William Watkins of Hanover Co.  80 pds. currt. money 150 acres and plantation on Cub Creek ... William Harris' corner; part of 400 acres granted William Harris, the deceased father of sd. Edward Harris, by patent 24 Mar 1725.                         Edward (H) Harris                         Anne (X) Harris Wit:  John Snead, Miles Burford, Saml. Snead, Israel Snead.  27 Mar 1750 proved by oaths of Miles Burford, Samuel Snead and Israel Snead.  Ann Harris acknowledged deed. (Rosalie Edith Davis, LOUISA COUNTY, VIRGINIA DEED BOOKS A AND B, 1742-1759 [Bellevue, WA:  Published by author, 1976], p. 53.)[Mrs. Davis' last known address was in Manchester, MO, but she does not answer e-mails. An *heir?* seems to have taken over, but I do not recall the URL.] E.W.Wallace