Apparently, judging from a Louisa Co. Order book entry of 1746, there was some kind of relationship between the Yancey family and Benjamin Harris.* As always with colonial Virginia families, it takes a great deal of analysis to try [repeat, try] to figure out the relationship.  We are handicapped in that the names of women [wives, sisters, sisters-in-law] seldom appear unless there is some crime or court case being tried.  Once in a while, a female could witness an official document if she lived near the courthouse.  If you are lucky, she may relinquish her dower rights in the sale of family property. This abstracted 1748/9 land patent of Louisa Co. suggests that there is a relationship among these males:  Benjamin Harris, Jeremiah Dumas, and possibly Robert Harris, who was the official surveyor of Louisa Co.  However, because of the office held by Robert Harris, his family relationship to other Harrises in Louisa Co. could be called into question.  His relationship to other Harrises may be that of an official and not a family member.  Louisa Co. was formed 1742 from Hanover Co. Patent Book No. 26 Benjamin Harris, 699 acs. Louisa Co. on both sides of Hickory Cr., Beg. at Dumas & Browns former C. [corner] on the Orphans Line [Orphans of Hugh Owen], adj. Benjamin Brown; 5 Mar 1747/48, p. 256.  1 pd.10 shil.  The sd L[land]being formerly gtd. Jeremiah Dumas by pat. 28 Sep 1728 [PB 13 p. 468] for 400 acs but upon a Survey lately made by Robert Harris Surveyor of sd Co. is found to contain 699 acs. the Right &  Title of which is since become vested in the sd Benjamin Harris. (Denis Ray Hudgins, ed. Cavaliers and Pioneers:  Abstracts of Virginia Land Patents and Grants, Vol. Five:  1741-1749 [Richmond:  Virginia Genealogical Society, 1994] p. 249)  *Patent Book no 18  [Patent for James Yancey] James Yancey, 400 acs. Hanover Co., adj Daniel Williams; 22 Sep 1739, P 398.  2 pds.  (Denis Ray Hudgins, Cavaliers & Pioneers, Vol. IV: 1732-1741 [Richmond:  Virginia Genealogical Society,, 1994], p 199 (Comments:  Daniel Williams and his wife Ursely are found in some of the surviving records of early Hanover Co.  A deed they executed with another party exists.  Daniel Williams died testate 1759 in Granville Co. NC.  He is my paternal grandmother's ancestor.  He was a son (probably second son) of my ancestor John Williams I, who patented land in Henrico Co., VA 31 Oct 1716, which land later fell into the newly formed county Goochland Co.  He sold that entire patent for 50 pds gold to John Williams, Jr.  Later John Williams, Jr., who was active in Goochland Co. politics and was a reader in the Anglican church in Goochland Co., migrated in the 1740s to Granville Co. near Nutbush Creek. John Williams I, John II's father, reportedly had four sons.  His eldest son, John, Jr.of Goochland Co., later of Granville Co., NC was my paternal grandfather's ancestor. (One published author of Southern California began one of his lectures, How many of you married cousins?  Since most Californians migrated from someplace else, no one raised his/her hand.  However, if you get back with your ancestry to colonial America, look for such cousin marriages.  Interstate highways, several World Wars, telephones, have made great differences in neighborhoods and we frequently do not know our cousins!!! I left most of mine in another state.  EWW) Evelyn W. Wallace

Many Harris-Hunters are dismayed that many of colonial Hanover Co. records have been destroyed by fire.  One noted VA archivist/author/lecturer, now deceased, revealed in a long-ago lecture that the Hanover Co.records had been considered so valuable that they had been ordered to the Archives at Richmond during the Civil War.  As the Confederates were evacuating Richmond at the end of the Civil War, they set on fire the wharves on the James River.  As fires are wont to do, the fires got out of control and burned the Archives.  He called this *the Evacuation fire* A few early court records remain and were transcribed and published ca 1979 by Mrs Rosalie Edith Davis, then of Manchester, MO.  Either Mrs. Davis has died, or she is seriously ill.  I am not able to find a valid URL to order these books.  They are paperbound and are not readily available when I did a library search (such was World Cat)  The Library of Congress (genealogy section) may have them, but I did not seek that catalog.  The Library f Virginia has most of Mrs. Davis's books but not the one called *Where Have All the Children Gone?* which refers to orphans, their guardians, etc. I have my battered copies of Mrs. Davis books on Hanover and Louisa Co. (falling apart) which I ordered years ago from an ad in The Genealogical Helper.  We old-timers teethed on those issues of GH. Slowly, I will post some excerpts which pertain to Harrises of colonial Hanover Co.  Keep in mind that unless these mostly Harris men cluster around families into whom we have some inkling they married, they MAY NOT be related to other Harris families in early Hanover Co.  Hanover Co was formed 1721 from New Kent Co.  The northern part [I am not a geographer] of Hanover Co. became Louisa Co. in 1742, and those records seem to be intact. Mrs. Davis compiled books on Louisa Co also. Also Fredericksville Parish [not the same as Fredericksville, the town in VA.  Again, these books are not found easily.  Even the Family History Library has no copies of these books which are very well done, although they are abstracted--not complete--records.  Mrs. Davis used microfilmed records at the Virginia State Library.  I have not checked the Family History Library film records for Hanover Co.  I know from experience, however, that the handwriting of those microfilmed colonial records are NOT easy to read.  I believe there are some parish records for Hanover Co. Check the online database if your public library (or a nearby library) has HeritageQuest. There are some colonial church records, which appear on the digitized database called HeritageQuest, available at some public libraries.  If your local library does not subscribe,pester your librarian until she.he can tell you which libraries in your state subscribe to HeritageQuest  Then try to get a library card from that library, even if you have to pay a non-resident fee.  Ordinarily, with the number on that card, you should be able to access the database on your home computer.  C G Chamberlayne  The vestry book of St. Paul's Parish, Hanover County, Virginia, 1706-1786 Richmond: The Library Board, 1940, 695 pgs. E.W.Wallace

Ira, Thanks anyway - - still hoping to work my way thru the ca 1700 John and William Harrises to establish our John Harris line. At least John's wife, Susannah Wingo, had a distinctive name! Her family probably came to Amelia Co from King Wm Co But even that might not be as tidy as I'd like. James Hargraves believes that John Harris might have been married to another woman before Susannah with whom he might have had additional children. James has further suggested that "our" John was a son of Lt Thomas and Judith (Edwards) Harris, (who have been claimed by a different Harris y-DNA group as their ancestors). Pst Seaver and I have also considered the possibility that the William Harris ("of Surry County") who owned land and slaves on Deep Creek in the SE corner of Amelia Co might have been our John's brother. He had a son William, who in turn had a son Hamlin. Does anyone know more about this family? There is no evidence that the elder William actually lived in Amelia Co, by the way, just owned land. Matthew Harris appeared in Amelia Co as early as 1739. He was associated with our John in court cases and by location. Could he have been another brother of "our" John? Or another son by an earlier marriage? A John Harris who was arrested for swearing and drunkenness in 1735 Amelia Co. Was this "our" John? Or a teenaged son by a 1st wife sowing his Colonial wild oats in the local tavern. Pat Seaver's and my John Harris didn't show up in Amelia Co for sure until 1736 (tax list, land purchase). In 1737 he became a constable in Amelia Co. Our John probably had the following children: Rhoda (married Abraham Vasser in 1748, Amelia Co. They moved to Halifax Co, VA. Abraham's brother Nathaniel married Sarah Hudson, d/o Peter and Mourning Hudson and niece of Judith Hudson w/o Wm Harris of Bluestone Creek). Rhoda was sufficiently older than "our" William that there's speculation she was d/o an earlier marriage. William (married Elizabeth, moved to Halfax Co, VA, Stokes Co, NC, and finally Patrick Co, VA). Children included Barnard/Barnet, Tabitha, possibly Obediah and Elijah m Nancy Lee (4GGrandgather of Sandy Harris Hart & Pat Seaver) John? - son by a first marriage? A John and John Jr both listed as Amelia Co men paid for service in French and Indian War (1754-1763). There were two John Harrises (a younger and an older man) who lived near Harris yDNA Group 30 men - - William and his sons Barnard and Elijah - in Halifax Co. A John Harris (26-45 years old) was enumerated next to Harris yDNA Group 30 men - - William and son Barnard in 1800 Stokes Co, NC. James? - James Harris listed as tithe for John Harris in 1669 and 1770 Amelia Co and witnessed a deed with John in 1771. John, John Jr, and James Harris were listed as Amelia Co men paid for service in French and Indian War (1754-1763). Matthew? - Was he the same person as the man who may have been John's brother (see above). A Matthew Harris continued to associate with John in Amelia Co and then moved further west into Prince Edward Co. A younger Matthew Harris showed up in 1800 Stokes Co, NC listed near William, Barnet, and John Harris. Mary - Pat Seaver suggested that the Mary Harris who married William Estes may have been d/o John Harris. Mary and Wm Estes lived in Amelia and Halifax Co, VA and had 6 children. Pat S has a FF match with Carl Eugene Estes (but no paper trail back to Amelia/Halifax Co Estes). While I do NOT have a match with Carl Eugene, I do have a match with Arlie Sessions who traces his Estes line back to Abraham Estes, Sr (1744, King & Queen, VA-1720 King & Queen) and Barbara Brock (1667- ) through Robert Sr and Jr to Martha m John Wrenn). Using a family tree posted on ancestry.com, I traced the line of Mary Harris back to the same Abraham and Barbara (Brock) Estes thru son Moses (1711-1788) to William Isaac Estes (1744-1780) m Mary Harris (1746-1782). This tree didn't include the descendants through Robert given by Arlie Sessions, so I'll have to contact him and do some more research. If I've got this right, my DNA may have finally given me a link back to a yDNA Group 30 ancestor! If this online tree is correct, she would have been a much younger sister of our William. Sadly it provided no hint about Mary's parents. And, I found a "connection" rather than the source of the DNA match. Sandy On Aug 20, 2012, at 5:27 AM, Ira Harris wrote: > Sandy, > > Unfortunately No. All I have in my database is what is listed in the citation. > The clues may be in the Guy, Trevalian, or Woolfolk families. > I have not done any research about this family and its' connections. > I have been working in the Carolinas and Alabama/Mississippi. > > Ira

Hello, everyone, I should first correct the information I sent in Part 29, where I noted David, son of Benjamin & Margaret, b. 1803, as David Harris II. David, son of Benjamin & Margaret was born in 1803, and was in fact younger than the son of Benjamin's younger brother, Obediah, whose son David was born in 1798. So David, son of Obediah Jr./II was David II, and David, the son of Benjamin Sr./II & Margaret Ingle Harris was David III. Sorry to create any confusion over the Davids. Also got some records out of sequence chronologically, which I will attempt to correct. Lots of folks to try to track! Here's more. Pam pamstone@cfl.rr.com =============================== Extracted from: National Archives Microfilm #M32_31 1800 Federal Census Salisbury, Guilford Co., North Carolina --- KEY: Free White Males, then Free White Females: 0-9, 10-15, 16-25, 26-44, 45 & up; Other Free Persons; Slaves --- Printed p. 692 (Handwritten p. 942): Notation in left margin: "Guilford Co NC 1800" . [L16] Benjamin Harris 4 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 0; 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0; 0; 0 [4 males 0-9, 1 male 10-14, 1 male 16-25, 1 male 26-44; 2 females 0-9, 1 female 26-44; no other free persons; no slaves] [Benjamin, 1; John, 3; James, 7; Pleasant, 9; Obediah, 11; Unknown; Benjamin, 36; Barsheba, 5; Unknown; Margaret] [L17] Obadiah Harris 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0; 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0; 0; 0 [2 males 0-9, 1 male 26-44; 1 female 16-25, 1 female 26-44; no other free persons; no slaves] [David, 1; Thomas, 3; Obediah (Jr./II), 25; Maris] [end of page] --- Printed p. 693 (Handwritten p. 943): [L1] Obadiah Harris Senr. 0 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 1; 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1; 0; 0 [2 males 10-14, 1 male 45+; 1 female 26-44, 1 female 45+; no other free persons; no slaves] [2 Unknown; Obediah, 59; Unknown; Rebecca, 57] [Where was Obediah & Rebecca's daughter, ELIZABETH, aged 14? She clearly was living, as she was recorded in later records.] =============================== HINSHAW, Vol. I, op. cit. - p. 822: DEEP RIVER MONTHLY MEETING, GUILFORD COUNTY, NC JONES 1801, 4, 6. Richard & family granted certificate to Deep Creek Monthly Meeting. 1801, 4, 6. Jamima & daughter, Elizabeth, granted certificate to Deep Creek Monthly Meeting. [Parents of Abijah] 1801, 12, 7. Abijah & family granted certificate to Deep Creek Monthly Meeting. 1801, 12, 7. Rachel & daughters granted certificate to Deep Creek Monthly Meeting. [Rachel, daughter of Obediah Sr./I & Rebecca Johnson Harris] - p. 993: DEEP CREEK MONTHLY MEETING, SURRY CO., NORTH CAROLINA MENDENHALL 1803, 8, 6. Richard & sons Benjamin, Obadiah, Ira & David received on certificate from Springfield Monthly Meeting, dated 1803, 6, 4. 1803, 8, 6. Sarah & daughter, Rebecca received on certificate from Springfield Monthly Meeting, dated 1803, 6, 4. 1804, 10, 6. Richard & family granted certificate to Miami Monthly Meeting, Ohio. 1804, 11, 3. Sarah (Mendinghall), with husband & family granted certificate to Wainesville Monthly Meeting. [Sarah, daughter of Obediah Sr./I & Rebecca Johnson Harris; Miami Monthly Meeting is in Waynesville, Warren Co., Ohio.] - p. 813: DEEP RIVER MONTHLY MEETING, GUILFORD COUNTY, NC HARRIS 1805, 7, 1. Obediah granted certificate to New Garden Monthly Meeting to marry. - p. 561: NEW GARDEN MONTHLY MEETING GUILFORD COUNTY, N.C. MENDENHALL 1805, 9, 5. Meriam, of Guilford Co., married Obadiah Harris. - p. 543: NEW GARDEN MONTHLY MEETING GUILFORD COUNTY, N.C. HARRIS 1805, 9, 5. Obadiah, of Guilford Co., married Meriam Mendenhall. 1806, 5, 31. Miriam, & daughters, Sarah & Lydia granted certificate to Deep River Monthly Meeting. [Obediah Harris Sr./I; Miriam Rich Mendenhall Harris, widow of Aaron] =============================== END OF FILE ===============================

Sandy, Unfortunately No. All I have in my database is what is listed in the citation. The clues may be in the Guy, Trevalian, or Woolfolk families. I have not done any research about this family and its' connections. I have been working in the Carolinas and Alabama/Mississippi. Ira On Aug 19, 2012, at 11:01 PM, Sandra Hart wrote: > Hi Ira, > Did you ever sort this out? At one time I had convinced myself that Pat Sever's and my ancestor John Harris (yDNA-Group 30) lived in Caroline Co before settling in NW Amelia Co ca 1830.I wonder if there is a relationship? > Sandy > > > Source: Caroline County (Va.) > Court Records and Marriages, 1787-1810 > by William Lindsay Hopkins > Richmond, Virginia, 1987 > > U.S. Circuit Court (Va District, Box 112) > Cochran, Donald & Co vs Harris & Guy's Exors, 1823 > > John Harris. Son John Harris. Daughter Ann Harris (underage). > Mentions "my children viz Elizabeth Harris, John Harris, Ann Harris, > Thomas Harris, Billy Harris, Sarah Harris and Augustine Harris... > and "the child my wife goes with". Exors: Wife, Brothers William > Harris and Robert Harris and friends Augustine Woolfolk and Thomas > Trevelian. Wit: Thomas Trevelian, Wilson Trevelian and Thomas > Trevelian, Jr. (George Guy and William Guy, administrators of George > Guy, dec'd., state that William Harris is dead and Henry Harris of > Richmond City is his administrator.) > > > Can anyone tell me who this family is? What Harris line do they > connect with? Any help is appreciated. Please respond through HH so > that others may be helped. > > Ira L. Harris III > Evv., In. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, all, Here is the next part of the descendants of Benjamin & Sarah Dumas Harris. Pam pamstone@cfl.rr.com =============================== HINSHAW, Vol. I, op. cit. - p. 782: DEEP RIVER MONTHLY MEETING, GUILFORD COUNTY, NC (Meeting minutes p. 19) Benjamin Harris b. 3-20-1764. Margaret Harris b. 6-8-1767. Children: Mary b. 12-9-1786; d. 11-11-1797. Jane b. 1-7-1788; d. 2-5-1788. Obediah b. 2-5-1789. [III] Pleasant b. 1-8-1791. James b. 9-15-1792. Barsheba b. 10-20-1794. John b. 9-4-1796. Benjamin b. 12-3-1798. Rebekah b. 1-31-1801. [Rebecca] David b. 3-20-1803. [II] [Children of Benjamin (II) & Margaret Ingle Harris.] - p. 813: DEEP RIVER MONTHLY MEETING, GUILFORD COUNTY, NC HARRIS 1803, 1, 3. Obediah Jr. granted certificate to Piney Grove Monthly Meeting to marry. - p. 1071: PINEY GROVE MONTHLY MEETING, MARLBORO CO., SOUTH CAROLINA MOORMAN 1803, 1, 20. Mary, daughter of Zachariah & Mary, married Obadiah Harris. - p. 813: DEEP RIVER MONTHLY MEETING, GUILFORD COUNTY, NC HARRIS 1803, 4, 4. Judith Cook (formerly Harris) disowned, married out of unity. [Judith, daughter of Obediah & Rebecca] 1803, 8, 1. Mary, received on certificate from Piney Grove Monthly Meeting. [Mary Moorman Harris, 2nd wife of Obediah, Jr.] - p. 806: DEEP RIVER MONTHLY MEETING, GUILFORD COUNTY, NC COOK 1803, 4, 4. Judith (formerly Harris) disowned, married out of unity. 1803, 6, 6. Jacob disowned, married out of unity. 1804, 9, 3. Jacob condemned his misconduct. 1804, 9, 3. Judith condemned her misconduct. - p. 782: DEEP RIVER MONTHLY MEETING, GUILFORD COUNTY, NC (Minutes p. 178) Obediah Harris b. 8-2-1774. Maris Harris b. 6-28-1772; d. 10-4-1801. Children Thomas b. 9-26-1796. David b. 12-20-1798. Rachel b. 8-14-1801. Mary Harris, 2nd wife Obediah. Daughter Betsy b. 11-8-1803. [Obediah Harris Jr./II; wives, Maris Mendenhall & Mary Moorman Harris] =============================== END OF FILE ===============================

Hi, all, Seems no matter how careful I am, I seem to make a mistake somehow. Rebecca Harris Jr. was, of course, born in 1780. I should explain to everyone that the Deep River Monthly Meeting record of the death of Obediah Harris Sr. in 1830 is misleading (while, of course, also vital.) But Obediah Harris did not die in North Carolina---he died in Indiana, as further records prove beyond any doubt. Pam pamstone@cfl.rr.com ============================== HINSHAW, Vol. I, op. cit. - p. 813: DEEP RIVER MONTHLY MEETING, GUILFORD COUNTY, NC HARRIS 1796, 6, 6. Sarah (formerly Sell) disowned, married out of unity. 1796, 8, 1. David disowned. - p. 837: DEEP RIVER MONTHLY MEETING, GUILFORD COUNTY, NC SELL 1796, 6 6. Sarah Harris (formerly Sell) disowned, married out of unity. - p. 1045: WRIGHTSBOROUGH MONTHLY MEETING, (now) MCDUFFIE CO., GA SELL Sarah b. 11-10-1778, daughter of Jonathan & Sarah. - p. 779: DEEP RIVER MONTHLY MEETING, GUILFORD COUNTY, NC (Minutes p. 15) Thomas Cook Mary Cook Children: Sarah b. 12-12-1772. Joseph b. 5-28-1775. Thomas b. 4-5-1778. John b. 9-15-1780. JACOB b. 5-8-1783. William b. 7-30-1785. Zimry b. 2-13-1786. Isaac b. 10-13-1791. Nathan b. 5-17-1795. Elizabeth b. 5-24-1792. Thos. Cook Sr. d. 2-23-1805. (Minutes p. 17) Thomas Cook d. 2-23-1805, aged nearly 54 yrs. - p. 861: SPRINGFIELD MONTHLY MEETING, GUILFORD CO., NC Richard Mendenhall Sarah Mendenhall Children: Benjamin b. 9-16-1786. Obadiah b. 3-8-1788. Richard b. 7-22-1790; d. 8-24-1790. Jonathan b. 8-19-1791. Margaret b. 10-23-1793; d. 11-9-1796. Rachel b. 10-23-1793; d. 11-25-1796. Ira b. 3-3-1796. Rebeckah b. 11-19-1800. [Rebecca] =============================== [END OF FILE] ===============================

Hi Ira, Did you ever sort this out? At one time I had convinced myself that Pat Sever's and my ancestor John Harris (yDNA-Group 30) lived in Caroline Co before settling in NW Amelia Co ca 1830.I wonder if there is a relationship? Sandy Source: Caroline County (Va.) Court Records and Marriages, 1787-1810 by William Lindsay Hopkins Richmond, Virginia, 1987 U.S. Circuit Court (Va District, Box 112) Cochran, Donald & Co vs Harris & Guy's Exors, 1823 John Harris. Son John Harris. Daughter Ann Harris (underage). Mentions "my children viz Elizabeth Harris, John Harris, Ann Harris, Thomas Harris, Billy Harris, Sarah Harris and Augustine Harris... and "the child my wife goes with". Exors: Wife, Brothers William Harris and Robert Harris and friends Augustine Woolfolk and Thomas Trevelian. Wit: Thomas Trevelian, Wilson Trevelian and Thomas Trevelian, Jr. (George Guy and William Guy, administrators of George Guy, dec'd., state that William Harris is dead and Henry Harris of Richmond City is his administrator.) Can anyone tell me who this family is? What Harris line do they connect with? Any help is appreciated. Please respond through HH so that others may be helped. Ira L. Harris III Evv., In.

Hi, everyone, Here is a corrected list of Obediah & Rebecca Johnson Harris' children, compiled from a combination of Obediah's reported Bible record, & the records of Deep River Monthly Meeting in Guilford Co., NC. SARAH, b. 1762; m. RICHARD MENDENHALL BENJAMIN, b. 1764; d. 1850; m. MARGARET INGLE MARY "MOLLY", b. 1766; d. 1834 m. JOHN CHIPMAN JAMES b. 1767 (D. INF.) DAVID b. 1768 (D. INF.) DAUGHTER b. 1769 (D. INF.) RACHEL b. 1770; d. 1853; m. ABIJAH JONES JEMIMA b. 1772 (D. INF.) OBEDIAH, b. 1774; m. (1) 1795, MARIS MENDENHALL; m. (2) MARY MOORMAN MARTHA b. 1777 (D. INF.) DAVID, b. 1778; d. 1880; m. SARAH SELL REBECCA, b. 1880; m. MATTHEW ALMOND [ALLMAN, etc.] DAUGHTER, b. 1782 (born dead) JUDITH, b. 1784; m. JACOB COOK ELIZABETH, b. 1786 As anyone who has ever used W.W. Hinshaw's books knows, he used numerous abbreviations in his extractions (such as "rocf", for "received on certificate from", and "recrq", for "received on request".) I found it less distracting to just type out what each record actually meant, rather than trying to remember all those abbreviations. And in my posting of pt. 24, I forgot to make note that the entries for James Harris' coming in 1767, & going in 1769, at New Garden Monthly Meeting in Guilford Co. are on page 543 of Vol. I of Hinshaw's work (North Carolina.) Sorry for the goof! Pam pamstone@cfl.rr.com ============================== HINSHAW, Vol. I, op. cit. - p. 684: CENTER MONTHLY MEETING GREENSBORO, GUILFORD CO., NC MENDENHALL 1776, 1, 17. Aaron, son of Mordecai & Charity, Guilford Co., married Miriam Rich. [As shown, Miriam was the daughter of John & Mary, from Pennsylvania.] - p. 509: NEW GARDEN MONTHLY MEETING, GUILFORD CO., NC Aaron Mendenhall d. 12-26-1793. Miriam Mendenhall (Rich) Children: James b. 10-24-1776. Moses b. 10-13-1778. Dinah b. 8-10-1780. Miriam b. 11-28-1782. Aaron b. 3-4-1785. Charity b. 6-28-1787. Sarah b. 12-19-1790. Lydia b. 12-3-1793. - p. 978: DEEP CREEK MONTHLY MEETING SURRY CO,, NORTH CAROLINA (Meeting min. p. 8) George Shugart, son of Zachariah, b. 8-30-1770. Mary Shugart b. 6-17-1775. (Mary Davis, daughter of John & Mary Davis of Chatham Co., NC) Children: John b. 12-5-1794. Sarah b. 12-14-1797. MARY b. 1-20-1799. Tamer b. 3-14-1801. (dau. Tamar) =============================== [END OF FILE]

Hi, all, I apologize to everyone-I forgot the formatting feature does not work when items are posted to this list. So the children of Obediah & Rebecca Johnson Harris were: SARAH, b. 1762; m. RICHARD MENDENHALL BENJAMIN, b. 1764; m. MARGARET INGLE MOLLY, b. 1766; m. John CHIPMAN JAMES (D. INF.) DAVID (D. INF.) DAUGHTER D. INF.) RACHEL b. 1770; m. JEMIMA (D. INF.) OBEDIAH, b. 1774; m. (1) 1795, Maris MENDENHALL; m. (2) Mary MOORMAN MARTHA (D. INF.) DAVID, b. 1778; d. 1880; m. Sarah SELL DAUGHTER, b. 1782 (born dead) JUDITH, b. 1784 ELIZABETH, b. 1786 Pam pamstone@cfl.rr.com ============================== Hinshaw, Vol. I, op. cit. p. 813: DEEP RIVER MONTHLY MEETING, GUILFORD COUNTY, NC 1791, 1, 13. Rachel, daughter of Obediah & Rebecca, Guilford Co., married Abijah Jones. 1795, 9, 7. Benjamin condemned his misconduct. 1795, 10, 5. Obediah granted certificate to Springfield monthly meeting, to marry. [As we already know, Benjamin Harris (II) was married to Margaret Ingle, who was apparently not a Quaker for the first decade of their marriage; Benjamin married her 12 Oct 1784 in Surry Co., NC, and she was misrecorded as "Margarett England" on her marriage bond. She was 17. Other records, which will be presented later, show that Mary "Molly" Harris married John Chipman. The Obediah in the record above, granted certificate to marry, was Obediah Jr./II.] - p. 997: DEEP CREEK MONTHLY MEETING SURRY CO,, NORTH CAROLINA (NOW IN YADKIN CO., NC) SHUGART 1793, 9,7. George granted certificate to Cane Creek monthly meeting, to marry. - 1793, 10, 10. George, son of Zachariah & Catherine, m. Mary Davis. - p. 384: CANE CREEK MONTHLY MEETING, ALAMANCE CO., NC DAVIS 1793, 10, 10. Mary, daughter of John & Mary, Chatham Co., NC, m. George Shugart. - p. 997: DEEP CREEK MONTHLY MEETING SURRY CO,, NORTH CAROLINA SHUGART 1794, 2, 1. Mary, received on certificate of Cane Creek monthly meeting, dated 1793, 12, 7. - p. 881: SPRINGFIELD MONTHLY MEETING, [HIGH POINT] GUILFORD CO., NC HARRIS 1795, 11, 11. Obediah, son of Obediah & Rebecca, Guilford Co., m. Maris Mendenhall. - p. 892: SPRINGFIELD MONTHLY MEETING, GUILFORD CO., NC MENDENHALL 1795, 11, 11. Maris, daughter of Stephen & Elizabeth, Guilford Co., married Obediah Harris. - p. 813: DEEP RIVER MONTHLY MEETING, GUILFORD COUNTY, NC HARRIS 1795, 11, 2. Margaret & daughter, Barsheba, received by request. 1795, 12, 7. Obediah, Pleasant & James received by request of father, Binjamin. 1796, 3, 7. Marris received on certificate from Springfield monthly meeting, dated 1796, 3,5. [Margaret Ingle, wife of Benjamin Harris II, and their children, Obediah, Pleasant, James & & Barsheba; Maris Mendenhall Harris, of Obediah Harris Jr./II.] - p. 782: DEEP RIVER MONTHLY MEETING, GUILFORD COUNTY, NC (Meeting minutes p. 11) Obadiah Harris died 11-28-1830, aged 89 yrs. 4 mos, 7 das. Rebeckah Harris Children: Sarah b. 10-1-1762. Benjamin b. 3-20-1764. Molly b. 5-30-1766; d. 7-25-1834. [Mary] James b. 1-6-1767; d. 6-6-1767. David b. 3-7-1768; d. 3-9-1768. A daughter b. 3-3-1769; d. 3-3-1769. Rachel b. 8-5-1770. Jemima b. 11-29-1772; d. 3-29-1773. Obediah b. 8-2-1774. Martha b. 2-26-1777; d. 9-26-1777. David b. 9-29-1778; d. 9-1-1880. A daughter (dead) b. 12-23-1782. Judith b. 5-5-1784. Elizabeth b. 9-2-1786. [MISSING: Rebecca b. (Meeting minutes p. 118) Rebecca Harris, wife of Obediah, b. 12-20-1742; d. 4-17-1801. - ===============================

Hi, all, Here is the next part of the descendants of Benjamin & Sarah Dumas Harris. Pam pamstone@cfl.rr.com ============================== HINSHAW, Vol. I, op. cit. -p. 813: DEEP RIVER MONTHLY MEETING, GUILFORD COUNTY, NC HARRIS 1785, 3, 7. Benjamin disowned, married out of unity. [Benjamin, son of Obediah & Rebecca, m. Margaret Ingle in 1784 in Surry Co., NC] 1785, 5, 2. Mary Chipman (formerly Harris) disowned, married out of unity. [Molly, daughter of Obediah & Rebecca] 1785, 11, 24. Sarah, daughter of Obediah & Rebecca, Springfield monthly meeting, Guilford Co., NC, married Richard MENDENHALL. - p. 418: CANE CREEK MONTHLY MEETING SNOW CAMP, ALAMANCE CO., NC SHUGART 1787, 3, 3. Zachariah received on request. 1790, 5, 1. Zachariah granted certificate to Deep River monthly meeting. [Father of George Shugart] ===================================== Extracted from: National Archives Microfilm #M637_7 1790 Federal Census Guilford Co., NC - Key: Free white males 16 & up; Free white males under 16; Free white females; All other free persons; Slaves - Handwritten p. 501: . [L19] Obediah Harris 2 - 1 - 5 - 0 - 0 [2 males 16 & up; 1 male under 16; 5 females] [Obediah Sr., 49; Unknown; Obediah Jr./II, 15; Rebecca, 47; Rachel, 19; Judith, 16; Rebecca, 10; Elizabeth, 5] . [Obediah, b. 1741, son of Benjamin & Sarah Dumas Harris, wife Rebecca Johnson Harris, and their children. Benjamin & Margaret Ingle Harris' location in 1790 is undiscovered by me at the present time.] =============================== [END OF FILE]

Hi, all, Here is the next part of the children and intermarried families of Benjamin & Sarah Dumas Harris. Pam pamstone@cfl.rr.com ============================== HARRIS 1767, 12, 26. James received on certificate from Cedar Creek monthly meeting, VA, dated 1767, 10, 10. (James Harris, brother of Obediah & son of Benjamin [d. 1762] & Sarah [d. 1780], Hanover Co., VA) - 1769, 2, 25. James granted certificate to Cedar Creek monthly meeting, VA. (James Harris returned to Cedar Creek meeting in Hanover Co. and married Mary Cheadle, as previously shown.) - p. 788: DEEP RIVER MONTHLY MEETING, GUILFORD COUNTY, NC (Min. p. 68) Richard Mendenhall departed this life or was lost 1773. Jane Mendenhall Ch.: John b. 3-6-1759. RICHARD b. 6-1-1761. Jane b. 1-20-1763. Benjamin b. 1-1-1765. Charity b. 1-1-1767. Margaret b. 12-18-1768. Joseph b. 12-18-1770. Aaron b. 9-18-1772. - p. 510: NEW GARDEN MONTHLY MEETING, GUILFORD CO., NC (Meeting minutes p. 157) Stephen Mendenhall Elizabeth Mendenhall Children: John b. 9-5-1770. Maris b. 6-28-1772. Nathan b. 2-22-1774. Isaac b. 12-4-1775. Sarah b. 10-30-1777. - p. 773: DEEP RIVER MONTHLY MEETING, GUILFORD COUNTY, NC The minute of Western Quarterly Meeting, 1778, 8, 8, authorizing the establishment of Deep River Monthly Meeting, is as follows: "The friends appointed last meeting to inspect the capacity of friends at Deep River respecting their request of holding a monthly meeting amongst themselves report as follows: - we the committee appointed last meeting to take under sollid consideration the request of friends of Deep River respecting their holding monthly meetings agree to report: - we had an opportunity with them, as also a number of our women friends who united with us, and after a time of waiting and sollidly confering thereon, Give it as our best sence & judgment that the granting of their request will be consistent with best wisdom. All which we submit to the meeting; with which judgment this meeting unites and establishes accordingly and orders the said meeting to be on the first second day of the week in each month. And directs the clerk to transmit a copy of the above minute to the aforesaid meeting & report his care to next meeting." The first sitting of the new meeting was held 1778, 9, 7. John Talbot and Mary Talbot were appointed first clerks and John Rudduck, Jr. recorder of births, deaths, and marriages. The preparative meeting at Deep River had been under the jurisdiction of New Garden Monthly Meeting previous to the setting up of Deep River Monthly Meeting. The original membership of the new monthly meeting included Jemima Baldwin, John Baldwin, Catherine Barnard, Francis Barnard, Margaret Barnard, Tristam Barnard, Levinah Beard, Phebe Beeson, Ann Bond, Edward Bond, Sarah Brazelton, Sarah Brooks, Ann Clasby, Charles Clasby, Barnabus Coffin, Hannah Coffin, Libni Coffin, Lydia Coffin, Mary Coffin, Samuel Coffin, Seth Coffin, Mary Cook, Thomas Cook, Sarah Crues, Thomas Elmore, Latham Folger, Matilda Folger, Jonathan Gifford, Unice Gifford, Philip Ham, Priscilla Ham, Obediah Harris, Rebeckah Harris, Jonathan Harold, Mary Haworth, Micajah Haworth, Phebe Healy, John Hiatt, Sr., Mary Hiatt, Ruth Hinshaw, John Hoggatt, Joseph Hoggatt, Phebe Hoggatt, Ruth Hoggatt, Elizabeth Howell, Jonathan Howell, Ann Huff, Abner Hunt, Judith Johnson, Robert Johnson, Tarlton Johnson, Jemima Jones, Richard Jones, Hannah Kersey, Abigail Macy, John Macy Sr., Matthew Macy, Phebe Marshall, Charity Mendenhall, Dinah Mendenhall, Jane Mendenhall, John Mendenhall, Mary Mendenhall, Moses Mendenhall, Stephen Mendenhall, Aaron Mills, Amos Mills, Henry Mills, Reuben Mills, Joseph Pattison, Elizabeth Pike, Nathan Pike, Jane Rudduck, John Rudduck Jr., Sarah Rudduck, Hezekiah Sanders, Joel Sanders, John Sanders, John Sanders Jr., Martha Sanders, Susanna Sanders, George Stalker, Sarah Stalker, Archelaus Stanly, Jehu Stuart, Sarah Stuart, John Sweet, John Talbot, Mary Talbot, Henry Thornbrugh, Joseph Thornbrugh, Rachel Thornbrugh, John Unthank, Manlove Wheeler, Isaac Williams. Deep River meeting is located in the western part of Guilford County, about 12 miles from Greensboro. . Preparative meetings under Deep River include Deep River, Springfield, Muddy Creek, Deep Creek, Belews Creek, Gum Swamp and Hitchcock. - [END OF FILE]

For those hoping to find a few records of colonial Hanover Co., VA and hoping to find some Harrises (not all related) you are invited to try to find the online database (through your local or nearby public library) HeritageQuest.  See end of this message. This item at the very end refers to an early parish record, with a number of Harrises in it. Go to the very end to find a surname index.  Maybe places are indexed, too, but I did not check. Then check the Harris land patents which are online at the Library of Virginia website.  Go to Land Records on the alpha index, and seek the item with the words *Northern Neck land grants*.  Hanover Co. is not a Northern Neck county. The oldest patents will be at the very end of the Harris list.  I note that some 21st century land grants are still being granted.  (That new land must be drained swamps!)   Here is the book which is on HeritageQuest. C G Chamberlayne  The vestry book of St. Paul's Parish, Hanover County, Virginia, 1706-1786 Richmond: The Library Board, 1940, 695 pgs E.W.Wallace

A couple of historical notes (political also) for shawhollow. 1.  West Virginia was not formed until Civil War times.  Lyman Chalkley made some notes (mostly court records, if I remember correctly) for the area which became [at least part] of West Virginia.  The title of his work is something like this:  The Chronicles of the Scotch-Irish.[in Virginia?]  I am writing this from this aging memory. This work has been digitized, but the three volumes have separate indexes.  Just do a google search for Lyman Chalkley and see if these Chronicles appear.  As far as I know, Ancestry.com does not yet have them--but changes appear daily. If I remember, the key to the index may be on the second page or beyond. The link generally appears at the bottom of the page.  I have not looked at it on the net for years. (I know one Harris appears there--my ancestor, Christopher Harris, of colonial Louisa and Albemarle Co. VA.  His second bride was one of those Scotch-Irish lasses--Agnes McCord, the mother of most of his Harris children.  Most Scottish women retained their maiden names, but Agnes later became Mrs Harris in the records.  She had inherited some land in that area adjacent to Albemarle Co., and the will/deed may have been in her maiden name. 2.  Wayne Co. KY was formerly Pulaski Co.  Pulaski was formed 1798 from Green and Lincoln Cos.   There was a courthouse fire in Pulaski in 1871.  However, there are some circuit court records, and deeds dating back to 1799.  (I am referring to Dr. George K. Schweitzer's little book on Kentucky Genealogical Research.  He has been headquartered in Chattanooga, TN.  He no longer attends national genealogical conferences, where he generally lectured in a costume suitable for his subject matter.  But google for Dr. S. as someone may be selling his books.  They used to be relatively inexpensive.  And they will help you a lot, but you have to learn his abbreviations. given in the early part f each of his books.) There are a couple of county histories, says Dr S., and with luck and with a google.books search you may find they have been digitized.  There is a public library in Somerset, KY [Pulaski Co] and at the time of publication of Dr. S's book the Historical Society was headquartered there.  Google for both the library and the historical society.  Both will like donations for any research they do for you. (Wayne Co is where my old KY pioneer--Michael Stoner--died with nun-cupative will, but is buried, I am told, at Mt. Sterling cemetery near where his eldest son and his remarried widow lived.  For some years, according to a book by Michael L. Cook, C.G., Stoner operated a ferry across the Cumberland River.  First time I saw a round rainbow [or a reflection] was on a part of the Cumberland River.  I wish you success in finding your Harris.  Experts tell us to find court records  Everybody sued everybody else--mostly for debt. E.W.Wallace ________________________________ From: Shawhollow <shawhollow@comcast.net> To: harris-hunters@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 3:04 PM Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Another Benjamin Harris I have read, with interest, the information on the Benjamin Harris's posted recently. I wish to enquire about my own Benjamin Harris, my ggrandfather. He was born in 1782 in Virginia or West Virginia...likely around Charlestown, West Virginia which was then in Berkeley County, Virginia. I have no documented history earlier than his marriage in 1807 in Wayne County, KY. To Ruth Pendleton (Penneton in the local records). Another branch of the family has printed a history without documentation or attribution which says his father was a William Harris and his ggfather a Henry Harris.  This document says his father lost his land in a dispute settled by George Washington.  It says that Benjamin was an itinerant shoemaker when he met Ruth Pendleton at the Pendleton Plantation, though I have found no record of such a plantation.  It also says her father was deceased and named Rufus Pendleton, though the marriage record shows approval of her marriage through a third party by her father Robert Penneton. The family history also says that Benjamin returned to Charlestown, the area of his home, to serve as a substitute in the war of 1812 before returning home to Crab Orchard, KY following a devastating earthquake in Charlestown. I am curious whether anyone else has any records which might match this Benjamin Harris. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Pam, Thanks for making a correction, although this Harris is not in my pedigree. As I go over my genealogical notes made over the decades, I find I have made errors, but that comes with experience--and reviewing my notes over and over again.  I cannot stay awake long enough these days to review my numerous notes (and my loose papers collections), and now my opthmologist (a fuss budget, but conscientious) tells me my eyesight is deteriorating!!! Most of my Virginians--Harrises, Williamses,Tribbles,a Washington family of south of the James [not the rich ones up North] et al, had left Virginia by the date of the document (a will in this case) you share. Tyree Harris, the eldest son of Major Robert Harris of Louisa Co., had long before departed Virginia and became involved in Orange Co. NC politics (and some skulduggery also, if I can believe the remaining court records of Orange Co.) If you can find in a nearby library (perhaps a University library) three volumes called The 1787 Census of virginia by Netti Schreiner-Yantis and Florine S. Love, take a look at the index in the third volume, and note HOW MANY Harrises are listed!!! This is really not a census but makes up for the 1790 Virginia census which did not survive.  These volumes are compiled from the many PERSONAL PROPERTY tax lists for most counties in Virginia, which included Kentucky, not yet a state. Of course, I was interested in the 1787 personal property tax list for Albemarle Co., VA where I hoped I would find and did find Christopher Harris.  But taking a look at the census index in Vol. 3, I saw he was listed twice.  He was already moving personal property (livestock, I seem to remember) to Kentucky (Madison Co. where he died testate--naming 19 children, a few deceased.) Many widows are listed with their taxable (tithable) sons in these lists, so take a look in this so-called census indexes--in Vol. 3. And don't be surprised if your ancestor is listed twice.  He may have had personal property in two counties--which counties may have adjoined each other. Evelyn W. Wallace

I have read, with interest, the information on the Benjamin Harris's posted recently. I wish to enquire about my own Benjamin Harris, my ggrandfather. He was born in 1782 in Virginia or West Virginia...likely around Charlestown, West Virginia which was then in Berkeley County, Virginia. I have no documented history earlier than his marriage in 1807 in Wayne County, KY. To Ruth Pendleton (Penneton in the local records). Another branch of the family has printed a history without documentation or attribution which says his father was a William Harris and his ggfather a Henry Harris. This document says his father lost his land in a dispute settled by George Washington. It says that Benjamin was an itinerant shoemaker when he met Ruth Pendleton at the Pendleton Plantation, though I have found no record of such a plantation. It also says her father was deceased and named Rufus Pendleton, though the marriage record shows approval of her marriage through a third party by her father Robert Penneton. The family history also says that Benjamin returned to Charlestown, the area of his home, to serve as a substitute in the war of 1812 before returning home to Crab Orchard, KY following a devastating earthquake in Charlestown. I am curious whether anyone else has any records which might match this Benjamin Harris.

Hi, all, There are a lot of really confusing docoments in the first part of these records, but if you will just persevere with me, all will eventually become clear. So hang in there! Here are the first parts of the records of the records of the children of Obediah & Rebecca Johnson Harris (they were the eldest son & daughter- in-law of Benjamin [d. 1762] and Sarah Dumas Harris [d. 1780] of Cedar Creek Meeting, Hanover Co., VA.) (I have a lot of trouble correctly gauging how big a submission to this list should be, and sorting out all these records and placing them correctly in chronological order, so please, everyone, just try to follow all the records.) Thanks! Pam pamstone@cfl.rr.com ======================================= Extracted from: HINSHAW, William Wade: Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy:, Vol. 1: North Carolina; With Supplement to Vol. 1, by Thomas Worth Marshall; Originally Published, 1936, by W. W. Hinshaw, Anne Arbor, MI; Supplement to Vol. 1, Originally Published, 1948, by T. W. Marshall, Washington, D.C.; Reprinted, 1969, by Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, USA; LOC #68-31728 [The page number or numbers of the actual Minutes for this group of records is not indicated in the book in most instances.] - p. 543: NEW GARDEN MONTHLY MEETING, GUILFORD COUNTY, NORTH CAROLINA HARRIS 1767, 1, 31. Obadiah & wife & children received on certificate from Cedar Creek monthly meeting, VA, dated 1766, 10, 10. (Obediah Harris, b. 1741, son of Benjamin & Sarah Dumas Harris; as previously shown, his wife was Rebecca Johnson, the daughter of David & Mary Woody Johnson of White Oak Swamp Meeting, Henrico Co., VA.) - p. 358: CANE CREEK MONTHLY MEETING, ORANGE CO., NC (Meeting minutes p. 13) Richard Jones, son of Richard & Miriam, b. 12-5-1732, Chester Co., PA Jemima Jones, daughter of Daniel & Mary Huff, b. 1-4-1742, Philadelphia [Hough] Co., PA Children: Mary b. 11-1-1758, Orange Co. Kezia b. 3-19-1762 Jemima b. 4-5-1763 Stephen b. 6-2-1765 Abijah b. 11-23-1767 Daniel b. 3-5-1770 - p. 569: NEW GARDEN MONTHLY MEETING, GUILFORD COUNTY, NORTH CAROLINA RICH 1767, 11, 28. John & wife & children, Mary, Elizabeth, Sarah, Marium, Dinah, Peter & Martha received on certificate from East Nottingham monthly meeting, Pennsylvania, dated 1767, 3, 28. - [end of file] ==================================

Hi, all, Looking back over my postings, I realize that I totally botched the end of Part 21 concerning the will of James Harris, the son of Benjamin [d. 1762] and Sarah Dumas Harris [d. 1780] of Cedar Creek Monthly Meeting; he was the husband of Mary Cheadle, the daughter of Thomas & Judith Woodson Cheadle of Caroline Co. Their children were Judith (m. George Winston of Caroline Co., VA, a Quaker); Benjamin (m. [1] Sarah Ellyson/Ellison; m. [2] Flora Wyatt); Elizabeth (m. Samuel Terrell; Mary (NFI); Thomas (m. Unity Ladd; had a son, Benjamin, b. 1806); Lucy (NFI); and James (NFI.) I apologize to everyone my oversight in sending an incomplete James Harris will; here Is the full text of the will and its probate. Pam pamstone@cfl.rr.com =============================== DAVIS, Virginia, Tidewater Virginia Families, op. cit. p. 477: Henrico County, Virginia Will Book 2, pp. 289-290 [Notation in left margin: "James Harris Mrm"] I James Harris of the County of Henrico being of sound and disposing mind, do make this my last Will and Testament ~ Impremis It is my will and desire that my just debts be paid by my Executor; and to enable them to do this I do hereby give and bequeath to them all my Estate real and personal in Trust, that they shall sell at such times and such manner as to them may appear most advantageous to my Estate, so much thereof or shall be sufficient to pay all my just debts. I lend unto my wife my plantation in Caroline County, whereon I lived previous to my removal to Henrico County, or any other plantation of about the same value which she may choose to reside on ; and I give to my said wife during her widowhood forty pounds per annum to be paid out of the profits of my Estate to aSsist her in maintaining my Children. I appoint my son in law George Winston Guardian of all my sons until they arrive at the age of twenty one and I desire that he will give them good english education and at the proper ages bind them out to good Trades. I appoint my wife Guardian of my daughters until they arrive at the age of twenty one years. After my just debts are paid I give and bequeath the residue and estate real and personal to my children and their Heirs forever to be divided equally amongst them. I appoint my son in law George Winston my son Benjamin and my friend Charles Hay Executors of this my last will and testament. In witness whereof I have hereunto est. my hand and Seal this 9th day of February 1794 ~ Signed, sealed and acknowledged James Harris (LS) to be the last Will and Testament of James Harris in the presence of us, who have hereunto subscribed our names in his presence and at his request ~ ~ Sam'l Day Dan'l Lacy At a monthly Court for Henrico County at the Court House the third day of April ~ 1794 ~ This last Will & Testament of James Harris dec'd. was proved by the Oaths of Samuel Day and Daniel Lacy the witneSses thereto and Ordered to be recorded. And on the motion of George Winston one of the Executors named in the said Will, who (being a Quaker) affirmed thereto: and together with John Harvie, William Foushee and Charles Hay his secrurities entered into and acknowledged their Bond in the penalty of Ten thousand pounds conditioned as the Law directs: ~ certificate is granted the said Winston for obtaining a probat thereof in due form, liberty being reserved to the other Executors named in the said Will to join ~ ~ in the probat when they shall think fit ~ Examined Teste Adam Craig(?) C C =========================================

Dear Harris Hunters especially those who suspect you may have colonial VA Harris descendanacy--or Dumas descendancy.  I highly recommend that you take a look--and maybe even print out for further study-- a list of the Virginia land patents for various Dumas families--and for the patents of their neighbors--which appear on the FREE Library of Virginia website.  Just do a google search for Library of Virginia.  Go down the alpha list of topics until you get to Land Patents (or records)-- specifically the list which includes Northern Neck land records. (I am sure there were some Harrises in Northern Neck Virginia--but this part of VA is mainly the counties claimed ca 1694 and following by several Lords, friends of Charles I and which later became the Fairfax Proprietary.  (Find a guide to doing Virginia research --probably on the familysearch.org wiki.) This is a colony--Virginia--which probably produced many of our Southern ancestors. But do not overlook the colonial records of Maryland and other Chesapeake area colonies. Please note the neighbors--especially if they clustered near a common watercourse.  Some of these watercourses are found in earlier New Kent Co (from which Hanover Co. was formed 1721) and later in Louisa Co. (formed 1742 from Hanover Co.).  Albemarle Co. was formed 1744 from Goochland Co. and from Louisa Co.)  Look in all these county records, where they exist. If your budget allows for purchase of books, I highly recommend this book by Dr George K. Schweitzer, Knoxville, TN to guide you in your search for Virginia ancestors. (google for his name.)  I wore out my first bok purchase, so I bought a new one some years ago.  The old dog-eared one can be put in a plastic Zip-lock and taken in my suitcase or my brief case when I go on a genealogical jaunt.  Some of you chase cemeteries and their inscriptions.  I chase deeds, court records, maps.  Dr. Schweitzer has a watercourse map (with lots of abbreviations).  He guides you in genealogical research in each guide which he has published. Please check the FHL [family history library website] frequently.  Much info is being digitized.  I was surprised when in Salt Lake City when I was searching a Kentucky county, where people from Virginia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and many other colonies poured into Kentucky, mainly after the American Revolution, that a record I was seeking (looking for the call number) that the book/paper I wanted was digitized and I could sit at the computer, read it, print it, etc. Explore that website--and check the family names--some of those famiy histories [some full of errors] have been microfiched or microfilmed and perhaps have been digitized by now.  (No genealogy is ever complete.) Evelyn W. Wallace

Evelyn, Ira, and everyone, Sorry to be so late in responding, but I have been concentrating on trying to sort out all the numerous descendants of Benjamin & Sarah Dumas Harris, and just plain missed this posting. I have a couple of documents that may help to further define the descendants of William & Elizabeth Burnett Harris (reportedly d. 1749, the younger son of William & Temperance Overton Harris [and the younger brother of the Robert Harris who m. Mourning Glenn.] This is Group 6 DNA.) William's son, Overton Harris, supposedly was appointed Executor of his father's estate in Hanover Co., VA in 1749, and was married to Anne Nelson (Does anyone have proof of this marriage, or Overton's administration of his father's estate? [If so, I have never seen it.]) Does anyone have any proof of that? (That would help a lot to help define this branch of our own Harrises.) I believe that a couple of the children of William & Elizabeth Burnett Harris married into the family of Richmond Terrell, Sr., whose estate was settled in Louisa Co., VA in 1779---and this may have ALSO identified the WIFE of Benjamin (d. 1765. Louisa Co., VA, the son of William & Elizabeth Burnett Harris, as a TERRELL.) >From the documents, it appears to me that the Richmond TERRELL that died in 1779 was the father of the Richmond TERRELL that had died in 1765 (leaving children: named sons: Richard, James, Wm., and Samuel; and named daughters: Elizabeth HARRIS, Anne TERRELL, Mary Overton TERRELL, and Barbary Overton TERRELL.) This Richmond TERRELL d. 1779 appears to have had also a son of the same name who died without heirs in 1771, who was not named in his will. Hope this information will help someone to sort out their own Harris line. Pam ========================================== Extracted from: Chappelear, Nancy, and Hatch, Kate Binford: Abstracts of Early Louisa County, Virginia Will Books, 1743-1819; Copyright, 1964, by Nancy Chappelear and Kate Binford Hatch; Published, 1964, by by Nancy Chappelear and Kate Binford Hatch, Washington, D.C., U.S.A. --- Notes by the authors: Will Book 1 was partially mutilated, so we have Verified the Will Book by the Order Book. The mutilated first page of the Will Book is numbered 145. -p. 55: W.B. 2, p. 362a Settlement of the estate of Richmond TERRELL. Dated 20 Sept 1779; Rec. 11 Oct 1779. Amt.: L16,748-13-2. Each legatees amt.: L1890-5-2. Richd. TERRELL, David TULLOH, Wm. TERRELL, Geo. LUMSDEN, Rich. OVERTON overseer, Clough OVERTON, Francis BICKLEY, Waller OVERTON clerk, James OVERTON Jr. clerk, James HILL, John BAKER, Cleavers DUKE, Fredk. HARRIS, Mrs. Anne TERRELL, Chas. BARRETT, Col. JOHNSON, Maj. Garrett MINOR, Aaron FONTAINE, Wm. TERRELL, Col. Zachary LEWIS, Chas. THOMSON, Saml. TERRELL, Wm. McGEHEE, James McGEHEE, Bond POINDEXTER, Wm. WOOD, Wm. REYNOLDS, Anthony MAURY, Richd. EGGLESTON Jr., Wm. PRICE, Saml. NEWTON, John WALTON, Henry DAVIS, Robt. WALTON, John LUCAS, Martin HAWKINS, Elias THOMASON, Capt. Robt. DABNEY, Geo. PHILLIPS, John DICKINSON, Moses MORRIS, Wm. SMITH, Tyree YANCEY, Francis LIPSCOMB, Rev. John TODD, Micajah DAVIS, Robt. GOODWIN, Robt. HONEYMAN, James OVERSTREET, Anthony WINSTON, John SMITH, John HUCKSTEP, Anthony ADDISON, Wm. THOMSON, Jr., Asa HALL, Col. Richd. ANDERSON, Griffith DICKESON, Rchd. OVERTON, Alex. PARKER, Jas. BURNLEY, John WASH, Saml. WADDY, Jos. STREET, Wm. BAKER, Waller OVERTON, Jas. OVERTON Jr., Capt. Jas. OVERTON. Signed: William PETTUS, Charles BARRET, John CRUTCHFIELD - [END OF FILE] From: EVELYN WALLACE [mailto:hdanw@verizon.net] Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 8:04 PM To: Harris Hunters Cc: Ira Harris; Pam Stone Subject: Some Early Wiliam Harrises in Hanover Co., VA I did some prowling of the goodly collection of books collected over the years by the Orange County California Genealogical Society and housed at the Huntington Beach CA library branch on Talbert St. I forget the name of the branch currently. I found several indexes for the many volumes of the periodical The Virginia Genealogist edited by John Frederick Dorman. The beginning of the two part [?} series on Three William Harrises in Hanover County is in Volume 22 (1975) pages 3-15 and page 99-? of The Virginjia Genealogist, editor John Frederick Dorman. Here are some rough notes William Harris the elder died on or before Feb 1733. A patent was issued to him 24 Mar 1725. His wife is believed to have been Temperance Overton. The son of this William Harris was said to be of Cedar Hill. It is believed he married Elizabeth Burnett. Three of his sons had children with the given name Burnett. This information about the names of the children is not given. There are listed five children of this second William Harris: 1. Overton Harris (1726-1789) m. Ann Nelson of Hanover Co. 2. William Harris - wife Henrietta. He was in Louisa Co. militia [date not given]. He went to Kentucky and reportedly died Mercer Co., KY 1773 3. Frederick Harris 4. Benjamin Harris - will proved Louisa Co. 14 Oct 1765 5. Robert Harris m. Mesapina, dau of John Walton. [end of my notes but not end of Dr. Harris's article on Three William Harrises f Hanover Co.] My suggestions to verify the above statements. Dr. Harris was a frequent contributor to The Virgina Genealogist and Dorman, I am sure, checked his facts as far as his editorship would allow. I have heard Dorman speak, and he is rather careful about his research. However, we all make mistakes, and the best way to check these facts is through the land records and whatever other material you can find. If I have the correct Overton Harris f early date, [not my ancestor of the same name but of later Madison Co., KY where he died testate 1827], his wife divorced him, and you will find references to this divorce if you keep digging far and wide. If your library has hefty two volumes called informally Swem's Index, you may find other material about these early Harrises, but check the facts with originals, if you can. Swem was long the genealogical librarian at College of William and Mary. VA land patents [highly abstracted] can be found on the Library of Virginia website. Google for URL. In the alpha index of total holdings and publications [in some cases] which shows up, search for Land Records and choose the subject which includes the words *Northern Neck Land Grants*. When you get to what seems the right database on this website, type in the surname Harris. The oldest patents [of which the above-named Harris is one] will be at the very end. If you can find at your local public library (or a university library) these books [now numbering eight volumes] of colonial Virginia land patents, you can check on the patents of the Harris's neighbors and the watercourse on which the Harris family lived--all clues in this detective work called genealogy or family history. The books which list the abstracted land patents are called Cavaliers and Pioneers. The first three volumes are credited to the main compiler, Nell Marion Nugent and were originally printed by the Library of Virginia. The other five volumes of Virginia land patents have the same title but were compiled and published in the last decades by the Virginia Genealogical Society, a private organization, in Richmond, VA. (If you are a member of VA Gen Society, I believe you can still get a discount on their publications. As well as receiving a quarterly journal and a bimonthly (?) newsletter.) I did not follow through on Dr. Harris's genealogy of the three Harris men of Hanover Co. I suggest you use the database PERSI if it is available to you, perhaps through your local library and order copies of Dr. Harris's explanation of these three William Harrises. You may telephone [at night Tues, Weds,Thurs,the Family History Library in Salt Lake City to see if they have these volumes of The Virginia Genealogist. They have a form [or did have] called Request for Phoptocopy, which prices were reasonable, at least a few years ago. Or telephone or email the Allen Co. Indiana Public Library at Fort Wayne, INdiana. They are the compilers of PERSI. A library patron told me a few years ago that the turnaround time at Fort Wayne was acceptable. (Check on those neighbors as mentioned in the land patents. They may be in-laws and they migrate with the Harris family. I like to check who all lived on the same watercourse. I understand that the barrels of tobacco were rolled to the watercourse and then to the boat on the bigger river. (Corrections, any one?) Lloyd D. Bockstruck, recently retired head of the genealogy department at the Dallas Public Library and an author and lecturer, said the bridegrooms in early Virginia married brides who lived downstream. It was an easy row downstream, and the grooms were so invigorated by the visit that the row back home was easy. Always look for the watercourses and note the neighbors in that neighborhood!!! Some genealogists [like Croom, if I remember correctly] calls rounding up the neighbors in your research is *cluster research*. Even if the jigsaw pieces don't yet fit, round them up anyway. The white population was not too great in those early days. More later. Evelyn W. Wallace