My great-great-great grandfather was George Harris. He died in Edgefield County, South Carolina in 1819, and left heirs William, Micajah, Craven, John, Joshua (my ancestor), Jane, Elizabeth, Thomas, and George. My great-great grandfather was Joshua Harris. He was born about 1788 in South Carolina, married Elizabeth Wren about 1828 (his 2nd or 3rd marriage, lived in Edgefield County, South Carolina, and died there sometime after 1870. His children were Aramenta, Amanda, Mary, Sarah Zeline, John B., Martha Sylvesta, Jennie, Frances, and Joshua Wren Harris (my ancestor and namesake). Although I would welcome hearing from anyone researching this family any time, I plan to be in Edgefield, South Carolina on September 28 and 29, 2012, and I'm sending this hoping that you might be there, too. The Old Edgefield District Genealogical Society and Old Edgefield District African American Genealogical Society are hosting a "Southern Studies Showcase" in Edgefield on September 28 and 29, 2012. Genealogical and historical societies from all over South Carolina and parts of Georgia are being invited to participate in this two-day event that is expected to bring over 150 people to the Town of Edgefield. Go to <outbind://24/www.oedgs.org> www.oedgs.org for more details. Hope to hear from you soon, J. Wren Harris, Jr. Harris dna group 5 Columbus, GA

Yikes! I have put my foot in it, for sure. I apologize to everyone. I showed Obediah & Rebecca Johnson Harris' younger daughter, Judith, as 16 in 1790, when she was, in fact, only 6 years of age. And I just found a record that proves that the "J. Cook" in Guilford Co., NC in 1810 was NOT Jacob that was the husband of Judith Harris. Sorry for the misinformation! Anyway, here are more records. Pam pamstone@cfl.rr.com ================================= HINSHAW, Vol. I, op. cit. p. 990: DEEP CREEK MONTHLY MEETING, SURRY CO., NORTH CAROLINA JONES 1802, 1, 2. Abijah & family (sons Obadiah, Daniel & David) received on certificate from Deep River Monthly Meeting dated 1801, 12, 7. 1802, 1, 2. Rachel, & daughters, Rabacah & Jemima received on certificate from Deep River Monthly Meeting, dated 1801, 12, 7. 1806, 4,5. Abijah & family granted certificate to Miami Monthly Meeting Ohio. 1806, 4, 5. Ratchel granted certificate to Miami Monthly Meeting, Ohio. [Rachel, daughter of Obediah and Rebecca Johnson Harris] ============================== HINSHAW, Vol. V, op. cit. p. 98: MIAMI MONTHLY MEETING WARREN CO., OHIO MENDENHALL 1805, 1, 10. Richard, and wife, Sarah & children, Benjamin, Gra [Ira], Obediah, & Rebecca, received on certificate from Deep Creek Monthly Meeting, N.C., dtd. 1804, 11,3. [Sarah, daughter of Obediah & Rebecca Johnson Harris] p. 42: MIAMI MONTHLY MEETING WARREN CO., OHIO COOK 1806, 6, 12. Jacob & wife, Judith, & children Elizabeth & Rebecca, received on certificate from Deep River Monthly Meeting, NC, dtd. 1806, 4, 7. [Judith, daughter of Obediah & Rebecca Johnson Harris] - p. 86: MIAMI MONTHLY MEETING, WARREN CO., OHIO JONES 1806, 6, 12. Abijah & wife, Rachel, & children, Rebecca, Obidiah, Daniel, Jemima, David & Mary received on certificate from Deep Creek Monthly Meeting, N.C., dated 1806, 4, 5. [Rachel, daughter of Obediah & Rebecca Johnson Harris] [Note that both the Cook and Jones families were received on the same day] - [SAME PAGE, SAME MEETING] JONES 1808, 10, 8. Abijah & family granted certificate [It was not noted what Monthly Meeting the certificate was to] - p. 749: WEST BRANCH MONTHLY MEETING, MIAMI CO., OHIO 1808, 10, 22. Abijah & sons, Obadiah, Daniel & David, received on certificate from Miami Monthly Meeting, dated 1808, 10, 8. 1808 [illeg.] Rachel & daughters, Rebecca, Jemima & Mary, received on certificate from Miami Monthly Meeting. (West Branch MM is in Miami Co., Ohio.) ================================= Extracted from: National Archives Microfilm #M252_61 1810 Federal Census, Marlboro Co., SC - KEY: Free White Males, then Free White Females: -10, 10-15, 16-25, 26-44, 45+ including heads of families; All "other free Persons except indians not Taxd"; Slaves - Page numbers are handwritten; this page is labeled both 124 & 95A: . [L2] Obediah Harris 2-2-0-1-0; 3-0-0-1-0; 1; 0 [2 males 0-9, 2 males 10-15, 1 male 26-44; 3 females 0-9, 1 female 26-44; 1 other free person; no slaves] [John, 1; Jonathan, 2; David, 10; Thomas, 13; Obediah, Jr./II, 35; Susannah, 5; Betsy, 6; Rachel, 8; Mary, 36] . ===================================== HINSHAW, Vol. V, op. cit. p. 174: CAESAR'S CREEK MONTHLY MEETING, CLINTON COUNTY, OHIO HARRIS 1811, 6, 29. Obadiah & wife, Mary, & children, Thomas, David, Rachel, Betsy, Susannah, Jonathan, John & Obadiah, received on certificate from Piney Grove Monthly Meeting, S. C., dated 1811, 4, 20. [Obediah Jr./II, son of Obediah & Rebecca Johnson Harris] 1811, 11, 30. Elizabeth received on certificate from Piney Grove Monthly Meeting, S.C., dated 1811, 4, 20. [Elizabeth, daughter of Obediah and Rebecca Johnson Harris] 1812, 8, 29. Obadiah & family granted certificate to White Water Monthly Meeting, Indiana. 1815, 8, 25. Elizabeth granted certificate to New Garden Monthly Meeting, Indiana. - p. 471: CENTER MONTHLY MEETING CLINTON CO., OHIO ALMOND 1812, 7, 4. Certificate received for Matthew & family from Piney Grove Monthly Meeting, S.C., dated 1812, 2, 5, endorsed to Whitewater Monthly Meeting, Indiana. ==================================== [END OF FILE] =====================================

Discovery - I have found on Ancestry.com Genealogical Publ's book Virginia Land Records--and some entries for Hanover Co. VA--in the pages .  (Of course, this is kind of like a scrapbook--some citations and some not.  These were submissions to such as Tyler's Quarterly, William and Mary Quarterly, etc. For Pat--there are some Sneads whose naming patterns don't seem to match those of my kin of colonial Granville Co., NC later of Person Co., NC.  But, who knows? Deloris--Some folks (or at least their namesakes) later found in Granville Co--at least in the Lord Granville land patents compiled by Margaret M. Hofmann, Vol. 2-- are found in Hanover Co. VA land records--namely Luke Waldrop and probably the descendants of Henry Graves [2nd wife reportedly Mary Williams, per Martha Hiden's abstracts re Graves families.  This Mary Williams is reportedly a sister of John Williams II, who migrated from Goochland Co., VA [good records]to Granville Co. in the mid 1740s.] Luke Waldrop of Hanover but later of Granville Co. is a person of interest--he was mainly illiterate, but he was a witness to 1759 NC will of my ancestor, Daniel Williams (wife Ursala, whom I suspecting may have been a sister of either Luke or his wife [always suspicious!]. And I am beginning to collect suspicious characters with the surname Trevillian [variant spellings]  Could Luke's wife and Daniel's wife have been sisters?  Some suspicious documents here and there.  (And how many Southerners were there in the 1740s?) E.W.Wallace

This may add to your list of Harris collaterals [that is, in-laws, et al] of Hanover Co., perhaps Louisa Co. and later of Albemarle Co. He probably had a brother Barlett Brown )Louisa Co. DB A-439 Pat Bk 32 - see Mag of VA Geneal  V 31, #4, p. 332   (4/98)      BENJAMIN BROWN, SR. He was the father-in-law of Robert Harris III who was married to Lucretia Brown. A man by this name seemed to own land in Hanover Co. as early as 1721, according Patent Bk No. 11, p. 76.  A patent to Edward Bullock, Hanover Co. dated 13 Nov 1721, refers to upper side of Bever Dam Cr. adj. Benjamin Brown and Thomas Sharp.  (Nell Marion Nugent, Cavaliers & Pioneers,  V. III, p. 230) Brown already owned land as his lines and those of Thomas Sharp near Beaver Dam Cr., Hanover Co. are mentioned in the land patent of Edward Bullock, 13 Nov 1721 Edward Bullock, 300 acs (New Land) Hanover Co.; on upper side pf Bever Dam Cr; adj Benjamin Brown; & Thomas Sharp; 13 Nov1721, p. 76.  30 Shill.  (Nugent, p. 230) Benjamin Brown received a Virginia land patent (Patent Bk 111) in 1723. Benjamin Brown of Hanover Co.; 400 acs (N.L.) on both sides of Beaverdam Creek; 5 Sept 1723, p. 218.  40 Shil. (Nell Marion Nugent, CAVALIERS AND PIONERS, Vol. III, 1695-1723 [Richmond:  Virginia State Library, 1979], p. 247) He patented other land in 1724: Patent Bk No. 12 - Benjamin Brown, 400 acs. (N.L.) Hanover Co.; on both sides of the Little River, Hickory, Bear & Hinson's Cr; beg. at Garland's cor. on N. side the Riv; across Horsepen Sw; & Winson's Cr; 22 Feb 1724, p. 137.  40 Shill.  (C&P, V III, p. 276) (Could the surname in above abstract be Winston?  Refer to C&P, Vol III Pat bk 13, p, 350  patent to Charles Chiswell, Gent. 4975 acs (New Land), Hanover Co, on both sides of Contrary Riv. & Franks Run, on S. side of Northanna (Riv.) adj lines of Colo. Nichlas Meriweter, Benjamin Brown, Mrs. Barbary Winston, John Poindexter, Ambrose Joshua Smith, & Capt William Fleming; on Elk Creek; to Capt Carr's line, & c. 28 Sep 1728, p. 334 19 Lbs. 10 shill & Imp of 22 pers. [long list of transported persons From LVA digital patent abstracts - no county given Brown, Benjamin.  Publication    22 February 1724.  Other Format    Available on microfilm. Virginia State Land Office. Patents 1-42, reels 1-41.  Note    Description: 400 acres on both sides the Little River, and Hinsons Creek.     Source: Land Office Patents No. 12, 1724-1726, p. 137 (Reel 11).  In 1725, Jeremiah Dumas patented land in Hanover Co. adj Benjamin Brown--S. side the Little River & on both sides of Rock Creek.  (C&P, V. III, p. 296) Brown himself in 1725 acquired more land through several patents:.  He must have learned to *use the system*. From Patent Bk 13:  Patent book 13 lists five patents issued on the same date, 24 Mar 1725 for a total of 1808 acres of land in Hanover Co. p. 4 - 300 acres on both sides of the N. fork of Beverdam Creek; on Mr. Alexander Cocke's line p. 4 - 308 ac. on both sides of Hollowing Camp Cr. 35 Shill. p. 5 - 400 ac. on both sides the N. & S. forks of Little River; beg. at mouth of Horsepen Sw. on N. side the river; on the Grant line; to S. side of the river &c.  40 Shill. p. 5 - 400 acs.  Adj. Mr. Alexander Cock's corner; Benjamin Brown's line; James Suter; & land of Capt Carr.  40 Shill. p. 6 - On both sides of Hinson's Cr. adj. Benjamin Brown.  40 Shil. (Nell Marion Nugent, CAVALIERS AND PIONEERS, Vol. III, 1695-1732 [Richmond:  Virginia State Library, 1979, p. 317)  Benjamin Brown seemed to be a very generous man, making several deeds of gift of land to his children.  See Louisa Co. deeds and biography of his daughter Lucretia.  His wife is reported to have been related  to Sarah Dabney.  However, an Albemarle Co. deed dated 1762, apparently the date of death of Benjamin Brown, Sr. seems to indicate that Sarah may have been his second wife.  Refer to deed executed by William Brown cited later.  William Brown, it is inferred by the deed, was a child by a previous wife. 1743 - Louisa Co. DB A & B, p. 96-97:  Benjamin Brown of Hanover Co. to James Yancey of Louisa Co. 5 pds.  50 acres on north side of north branch of the little River called Elk Branch in St. Martin's Par.  Benja. Brown.  8 Aug 1743 acknowledged by Benja. Brown       (Rosalie Edith Davis, LOUISA COUNTY DEED BOOKS A & B [Bellevue, WA:  1976?], p. 8) Some Other Hanover Co. Records      A Benjamin Brown was in Hanover Co., VA at an earlier date.   Hanover co., VA Court Records 1733-1735, p. 77-80.  INDENT.  6 May 1734  Benjamin Brown and John Right of St. Martin's Par., Hanover Co., to Joseph Temple of St. Margetts Par., King William Co; Lease and Release; 50 pds. curr. money; 300 a. on both sides the North fork of Beverdam Creek in Hanover Co.... Beginning at an oak in Mr. Alexander Cock's line; the same being granted to the sd. Benjamin Brown by pattent bearing date 24 Mar 1725                                                Benja. Brown                                                Jno. (RR) Right Wit:  Jno. Dandridge, Richd. Moux, War King 7 June 1734 ack. by Benjamin Brown and John Right (Rosalie Edith Davis, HANOVER COUNTY, VIRGINIA COURT RECORDS 1733-1735: DEEDS, WILLS AND INVENTORIES [Manchester, MO:  Published by author, 1979], p. 26)      Earlier, Benjamin Brown bought property in Louisa Co. but it was recorded on the same date as the above-cited deed. DB A-100-101.  3 May 1743  David Mills of Louisa Co. to Benjamin Brown of Hanover Co. 143 pds currt. money.  2,850 acres on the North Fork of Moorman's River ... beginning at a white oak near the River on the lower side to the county line.  David Mills  8 Aug 1743 Acknowledged by David Mills.  (Ibid.) Benjamin Brown, Jr. of Hanover Co. Louisa Co. DB C-77-78 10 Jan 1761  Benjamin Brown Junior of Hanover Co., St. Martins Par., & Susannah his wife to John Whealer of Louisa Co. and Par. afsd; 60 pds. curr. money; 600 A in Fredericksville Par. adjoining lands of John Tisdale, George Bell, Alexander Glasby, the Estate of John Ross, Dec'd. & Thomas Ballards and on the south side of the south Anna River.                                               Ben Brown Junr.                                               Susan Brown Wit:  Thomas Perkins, Chas. Barret, Pat. Belches. 23 Jun 1761 proved by the oaths of all the witnesses.  (Rosalie Edith Davis, LOUISA COUNTY VIRGINIA DEED BOOKS C, C1/2, D AND D1/2 [Manchester, MO:  1977], p. 13) [Glasby is believed to be the same as Gillespie.  He may have been a Scottish merchant.) Later, it seems that Benjamin Brown, the younger, was still residing in Hanover Co. six years later, if the following deed is interpreted correctly. Albemarle Co. DB 1764-1768,  DB 4, pp. 480-481  11 Dec 1767, Benjamin Brown and Susan his wife of Hanover County to William Overton Winston of same county... for 373 pds ten shillings.. 563 acres of land... N. bank of Doyls [sic] River in the former line between Louisa and Albemarle County... James Harris's line...  Ben Brown Witnesses:  Rd Morris, Dan Smith, Isaac Harding, Edmund (his I mark) Mercie. (Ruth & Sam Sparacio, DEED ABSTRACTS OF ALBEMARLE COUNTY VIRGINIA, DEED BOOK NO. 4, 9 AUGUST 1764-12 AUGUST 1768 [McLean, VA:  The Antient Press, 1989], p. 111) That same month, DB 4-483-484, 24 Dec 1767 Ben Brown [Jr. but now Sr. was deceased] and his wife Susan of Hanover Co. to Anthony Winston of same for 170 pds. 14 shillings a tract of land and plantation containing 826 acres in Albemarle Co. at the foot of Smiths Pasture Fence Mountain on the branches of Doyls River... in the old County Line of Louisa ...south side of Mill Creek ... in the old grant line.  /s/ Ben. Brown Witnesses Nathan Bell, John Batkins, Joshua Baker (Adapted from Sparacio & Sparacio, p. 112) See Albemarle Co. DB 4-481-482  Ben Brown and Susan his wife of Hanover Co.  The deed refers to the lines of Benjamin Brown Sr.... near Doyles River and also Robert Harris's line.  Also see DB 4-521-522 Benjamin Brown of St. Martin's Par., Hanover Co. and James Harris... (Enough of Benj. Brown, several generations, but linked to a Winston family.  You might find more on the Library of Virginia website--land patents including the words *Northern Neck land grants*.  Oldest ones at very end.  Look up Winstons, too.) E.W.Wallace

Hi Wanda - - Burning the records poses all sorts of annoying roadblocks for genealogists in subsequent years. However, I heard a story about what happened tin one No Tennessee courthouses in - - not only did the invading army burn the papers, but threw the clerk (or whomever it was who way trying to stop them) on top of the fire along with the documents! That puts thing back in perspective, doesn't it. Sandy

Hi, all, Here is the next continuation of the descendants of Benjamin & Sarah Dumas Harris through their son, Obediah & his wife, Rebecca Johnson Harris. Pam <mailto:pamstone@cfl.rr.com> pamstone@cfl.rr.com ======================= Records Compiled by: Pamela Howerton Stone Ross Pam Stone Ross 362 North Brevard Avenue Cocoa Beach, FL 32931-2936 U.S.A. pamstone@cfl.rr.com ======================= HINSHAW, Vol. I, op. cit. p. 828: DEEP RIVER MONTHLY MEETING, GUILFORD COUNTY, NC MENDENHALL 1809, 12,14. Sarah, daughter of Aaron & Miriam, Guilford Co., m. Joseph Bond. [Stepdaughter of Obediah Harris Senr.] - p. 800: DEEP RIVER MONTHLY MEETING, GUILFORD COUNTY, NC BOND 1809,12,14. Joseph, son of Edward & Anna, married Sarah Mendenhall. 1810, 8, 6. Edward & family granted certificate to White Water Monthly Meeting, Indiana. 1810, 8, 6. Joseph, son Edward & family granted certificate to White Water Monthly Meeting, Indiana. 1810, 9, 3. Ann granted certificate to White Water Monthly Meeting, Indiana. 1810, 9, 3. Sarah granted certificate to White Water Monthly Meeting, Indiana. =============================== Extracted from: National Archives Microfilm #M252_40 1810 Federal Census Greensboro, Guilford Co., NC - KEY: Free White Males, then Free White Females: 0-9, 10-15, 16-25, 26-44, 45+ including heads of families; All "other free Persons except indians not Taxd"; Slaves - p. 949: . [L11] John Chipman 0 - 4 - 1 - 0 - 1; 2 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 1; 0; 0 [4 males 10-15; 1 male 16-25; 1 male 45+; 2 females 0-9, 1 female 10-15, 1 female 16-25, 1 female 45+] . --- p. 950: . [L8] O Harris 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1; 1 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 1; 0; 0 [Obediah, 69; Unknown female 0-9; Lydia Mendenhall, 16; Miriam Rich Mendenhall Harris, aged about 54] . --- p. 962: . [L2] J Cook 4 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0; 1 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0; 0; 0 [4 sons 0-9; Jacob, 26; 1 daughter, 0-9; Unknown female, 10-15; Judith, 25] . [The household of John Cook was recorded on Line 9] . ============================== HINSHAW, Vol. I, op. cit. p. 813: DEEP RIVER MONTHLY MEETING, GUILFORD COUNTY, NC HARRIS 1811, 7, 1. Obediah granted certificate to White Water Monthly Meeting, Indiana. 1811, 8, 5. Miriam Harris, & daughter Lydia Mendenhall, granted certificate to White Water Monthly Meeting, Indiana. [Obediah Harris Sr. (1741-1830) & 2nd wife, Miriam Rich Mendenhall Harris, moving to Wayne Co., Indiana] - p. 997: DEEP CREEK MONTHLY MEETING, SURRY COUNTY, N.C. SHUGART 1811, 8, 3. George & family granted certificate to White Water Monthly Meeting, Indiana. 1811, 8, 3. Mary & daughters, Mary Key & Ruth Marshall granted certificate to White Water Monthly Meeting, Indiana. - p. 1079: PINEY GROVE MONTHLY MEETING MARLBORO CO., SC ALMOND 1812, 2, 15. Matthew & family granted certificate to a monthly meeting beyond the Ohio. ============================== END OF FILE ==============================

That's Family! :-) Pam

Hi, everyone, As I said, I went back and extracted more complete records for Obediah & Rebecca Harris' extended ramily in 1800. So here are those records. Pam pamstone@cfl.rr.com ================================ Extracted from: National Archives Microfilm #M32_31 1800 Federal Census Salisbury, Guilford Co., North Carolina --- KEY: Free White Males, then Free White Females: 0-9, 10-15, 16-25, 26-44, 45 & up; Other Free Persons; Slaves --- Printed p. 686 (Handwritten p. 936) . [L9] John Chipman 2 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 0; 2 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 0; 0; 0 [2 males 0-9, 1 male 10-15, 1 male 16-25, 1 male 26-44; 2 females 0-9, 2 females 10-15, 1 female 16-25, 1 female 26-44] [2 sons 0-9, 1 son 10-15, 1 son? 16-25, John, 39; 2 daughters 0-9, 2 daughters 10-15, 1 daughter? 16-25, Molly, 34] [L10] Paris Chipman 2 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 0; 3 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1; 0; 0 [Note that Paris had one female in his household aged 45+; this could have either been Paris' mother-in-law, or it could have been the mother of both John and his apparent brother, Paris.] . --- Printed p. 688 (Handwritten p. 938) . [L12] Moses Mendenhall Senr 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1; 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1; 0; 0 [L13] Richard Mendenhall Junr 1 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0; 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0; 0; 0 [Ira, 4; Obediah, 12; Benjamin, 13; Richard, 38; 2 unknown, 0-9; Sarah, 37] . [L18] Mordca Mendenhall Senr 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1; 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1; 0; 0 . --- Printed p. 692 (Handwritten p. 942): Notation in left margin: "Guilford Co NC 1800" . [L14] John Hunt 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0; 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0; 0; 0 [15] Samuel Standley 3 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 0; 2 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0; 0; 0 [L16] Benjamin Harris 4 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 0; 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0; 0; 0 [4 males 0-9, 1 male 10-14, 1 male 16-25, 1 male 26-44; 2 females 0-9, 1 female 26-44; no other free persons; no slaves] [Benjamin, 1; John, 3; James, 7; Pleasant, 9; Obediah, 11; Unknown; Benjamin, 36; Barsheba, 5; Unknown; Margaret] [L17] Obadiah Harris 2 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0; 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0; 0; 0 [2 males 0-9, 1 male 26-44; 1 female 16-25, 1 female 26-44; no other free persons; no slaves] [David, 1; Thomas, 3; Obediah (Jr./II), 25; Maris, 26] [end of page] --- Printed p. 693 (Handwritten p. 943): [L1] Obadiah Harris Senr. 0 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 1; 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1; 0; 0 [2 males 10-14, 1 male 45+; 1 female 26-44, 1 female 45+; no other free persons; no slaves] [2 Unknown; Obediah, 59; Unknown; Rebecca, 57] . ===================================== END OF FILE =====================================

I have not completely established that this Mary was the d/o of our Harris ancestors (John Harris and Susannah Wingo), so I haven't researched them very intensively. Here's what I have: William Isaac Estes, born May 17, 1744 in King & Queen, VA/died Mar 18 1780 in Halifax, VA He was probably the s/o Moses Estes 1769 - Amelia CoCo PPTLs In Thomas Muford’s list. . William Estes, no tithables 1779 Will of William Estes (Halifax Co, VA) lists wife, Mary, Brother John, and children: Partick, Ezekiel, Leana, Levina, Sala, and Drusilla Witnessed by James Hardwick and Elizabeth Harris Wife, executrix Security, Micajah and Moses Estes (the Elizabeth Harris mentioned could have been the Elizabeth who married William Harris, John's son. She would have been William's sister-in-law) There were 3 early Halifax Co men’s marriages, but couldn’t find theirs In Amelia Co., this Estes family lived in the same tax district as John Harris and William Harris (DNA Group 30). William Harris of Amelia Co. bought land in Halifax Co. in 1778 and then sold land to John Harris of Amelia Co. and to James Harris in 1779. Mary Harris was born ca 1746 (or 1755) in King & Queen, VA. Most agree that she died in Missouri, but dates vary all over the place.

Hi Sandy, I don't have a William Harris marriage to a Mary Estes in my index. If you'll send me their dates, I'll scrutinize the info closer. Also, I don't have any DNA information on the Harris's or the Estes' since I daughter'd out on each. I haven't spent much time learning about DNA either, but it's something I hope to do soon. It sounds very complicated to my older mind. I'm hoping I can find the parents of my Henry Harris, b 1742. If I can, maybe I can connect to a DNA line. Finding our families would be much easier if soldiers hadn't burned so many records. What was their purpose anyhow? Does any have an answer? Thanks for your input, Sandy. I'll watch for your dates on William and Mary. Wanda On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Sandra Hart <sandyhart@mac.com> wrote: > Hi Wanda, > If I follow what you posted and remember what I posted, several male > descendants of Abraham Estes/Barbara Brock married Harris women who are > related to different Harris yDNA lines! I've never been terribly > successful in tracing the descendants of William and Mary (Estes) Harris. > Perhaps I'll give it another try! > > They sure didn't make it easy for us to figure them out 200 years later! > > What is your Harris yDNA connection? > Sandy > > > * For Freedom's Sake - Love God, Love America*

Evelyn, Thanks so much for the reply. Your remarks are always very helpful. My Henry Harris was born 16 June 1742 in Orange Co VA. He died 28 Jan 1835 in Madison Co KY. He was married to Anna Bird on 26 Feb, 1766 in Orange Co VA. He first enlisted in the Rev War in 1776 in Orange Co VA. By 1778, he was in Henry Co VA. per road orders. (My Notes - "Henry Court Order Book 2, June 15, 1778 Court: John Heard, Samuel Byrd, Thomas Jamison and Henry Harris or any 3, appointed to view a road from about a mile below Gorden's Quarter across Cole's Road. Note: The location of Col. Gordon's Quarter was near Snow Creek. (See HC Order Bk 1, Feb 17, 1777 Court"). He served several campaigns in the Rev War per his pension application. I have recorded in my notes: " That at the commencement of the Revolutionary War he resided in Orange County, Virginia--that early in this war was he thinks in 1776. He volunteered and went on a campaign against the Cherokee Indians & was about 6 months the names of his officers he cannot _____ that he afterwards moved to Henry County, Virginia & went as a volunteer on a tore (tour) into North Carolina against the tories & was absent about 3 months. Early in 1781 as he thinks he went out as a volunteer in the militia & marched into North Carolina in order to join Genl Green was absent about 3 months & returned un_____ again volunteered in the militia & was in the service about Jamestown & Yorktown till a few days before Cornwallis surrendered. He thinks he was in command of Genl Lawson last tour he was out & knows he went home a few days before the surrender of Cornwallis in consequence of Lick__ He states that his memory has failed him very much of __ that he knows he served the four tours He has __ but the names of his officers most __ particulars have gone from him that he has no documentary evidence in his possession of his Services. He hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or annuity except the present & declares that his name is not on the pension note of the aging of any State Signed Henry Harris __________ this day & was aforesaid" (Pension was granted). Several have gone into the DAR through this Henry Harris. His children per my record are: 1. Winnefred HARRIS, b 15 Jan 1767 in Orange Co VA. She married Joshua DILLINGHAM (his 2nd marriage) in 1786 in Henry Co VA. 2. Elizabeth Betty HARRIS, b. 15 Aug 1768 in Orange Co VA., d. probably Madison Co KY. Married John JAMISON abt 1786. There were Jamison's in Henry Co VA at that time. They later lived in Madison Co KY. 3. Martha Patsy HARRIS, b 23 May 1770, Maryland. d before 10 Feb 1842, Franklin Co, MO, USA. Married Samuel DENT abt 1790. They lived in Madison Co, KY before moving to MO. 4. Nancy HARRIS, b. 6 May 1772, Maryland. d 23 Oct 1848, prob Madison Co KY. Married Elisha ESTES III, 29 Aug 1791, Franklin Co, VA. (Elisha died in Madison Co KY, sometime after 1832). 5. Rhoda HARRIS, b 9 Mar 1774, of Orange Co VA. d. No Info. Married Sam KELLEY abt 1792. 6. Zebulon HARRIS, b abt 1775, d. No Info. Married Elizabeth Dillingham, 14 Dec 1793, Henry Co VA. They were in Madison Co KY in 1821 per Madison Co KY deed records. I have researched Henry quite a bit, and there's always more to do. I know others have done some searching too, since they've gone into the DAR through him. I once found info on-line listing his ancestry way back to the earliest days, but no sources were listed and I want something concrete. One pedigree gives Henry's father as Thomas HARRIS, whose parents are Edward HARRIS and Mary NEW - going on back from there. If anyone can site sources about this family, I'm open to any help or direction. There were several Henry Harris's back then. Finding the right one is the key. Thanks again for your comments, Wanda On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 11:09 AM, EVELYN WALLACE <hdanw@verizon.net> wrote: > Dear Wanda, > > Let's go to your last paragraphs below. Have you any clues as to the > probable residences of > Henry Harris, the dates, the names of the children, etc.? > > In 1742, Henry's stated birth year, Virginia' boundaries were barely > getting to the foothills of the Blue Ridge mountains. Orange Co. and > Prince William Co. (both of which later divided), were on *the frontier*. > (Source: Michael F. Doran, Atlast of County Boundary Changes in Virginia, > 1634-1895 [Athens, GA: Iberian Publishing Co. 1987] [now called, I > believe, New Papyrus Publishing, still in Athens] > > I covet my eight volumes of Cavaliers and Pioneers, but the Library of > Virginia Land Patents (online) may help you narrow down where the parents > of Henry Harris may have been hanging their axes (hats). Go to the topic > Land Patents (the subject will include the Northern Neck land grants). The > earliest land grants (covered by the abstracts in above-mentioned eight > volumes of Cavalies and Pioneers) will be at the very end of the LONG lists > for Harrises!!!! (The oldest patents are at the end.) > > I heard a couple of lectures in the past five years by Thomas W. Jones, > who until rather recently was co-editor of the National Genealogical > Society Journal (quarterly). He gave me a lot of hope, as my Dad's > ancestors all (except for some colonial Germans) had common names. Jones > lectured on collecting all the bits and pieces of the jigsaw puzzles; they > don't fit when you stumble on them, but they may in the future. > > Also, he says--watch those naming patterns!!!! (Of course, I cannot > believe all those Overton Harrises are cousins!!!! I am descended from one > Overton Harris, son of Christopher Harris who died testate [both of them > did--died testate] in Madison Co., KY.) > > Again, what were the names of the children of your Henry Harris? And > Thoma W. Jones believes in *inferential genealogy*. (With common surnames, > one needs a lot of inference--especially if they were in burned counties!!!) > > Another lecture by Jones was on *inferential genealogy*. I like that. > You have to infer a lot, but it helps to know (or keep learning) history > and geography of the places you are studying. I had to learn early on that > my great-grandmother, quite a bit younger than her elderly spouse, had made > an error in giving her deceased spouse's birthplace in Kentucky. At the > time, he was born that part of Kentucky between the Mississippi and the > Ohio rivers belonged to the Chickasaw Indians!!!! Back to square > one--until my aunt sent me transcriptions of old letters which she and a > cousin had discovered in an old trunk at the old ranch house. Ah--another > place to study in Kentucky!!! And maternal cousins in Illinois and > Missouri!!! > > A few years ago, I spent half a day at the Orange Co. VA courthouse as we > were vacationing in that area. The deed indexes of early date were so full > of names which I recognized as antecedents of my Rev. Andrew Tribble (early > Baptist minister in and around Madison Co., KY.) I ordered quite a few > photocopies of the indexes alne [no deeds], but the clerk, who was quite > timid, had to confer with her supervisor. The supervisor would let me have > only about ten photocopies, and the underclerk said, She is afraid you will > put them on the internet!!!! > > I thought to myself, this clerk is behind the times!!!! As she was > speaking someone was probably already inputting!!! Orange Co. ca 1740s was > the Virginia frontier on the North and Brunswick Co. was the frontier on > the south. (I discovered some of my early Surry Co. and Isle of Wight > families were later found in Brunswick county, a huge county!!!) > > Good luck with your colonial and later Harrises! > > E.W.Wallace > > > > ------------------------------ > * For Freedom's Sake - Love God, Love America*

oops this is the descendancy on the Beeson/Grubb line as corrected: Richard Beeson/Charity Grubb Rachel Beeson/Stephanos Hayworth Sarah Hayworth/ John Wheeler/ Mary Wheeler/William Vestal (one main paternal line) Harris is an ancestral name on my maternal lines with Capt Wm Harris and Mary Hudson (parents uncertain) whose daughter, Susannah Harris married into Gunter, my main ancestral maternal line. Goodness, easy to get confused Peggy in CA In a message dated 9/3/2012 8:36:02 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, PatCLARE@aol.com writes: Hi Pam, I do relate to the Mendenhalls but more so, Richard Beeson/Charity Grubb on my paternal line. Richard and Charity Grubb Beeson's daughter, Rachael married John Wheeler whose only daughter Mary Wheeler married in to my main paternal line of Vestal. These are all Quaker families. The Nicholite story is very interesting and involved my Wheelers and Piggots and more. It is worth reading. I do connect with the Harris lines here but how any Harris line connects with my Capt William Harris/Mary Hudson continues to remain elusive. I am PROBABLY a descent on the Harris DNA 8 lines but there are strong indications of Harris DNA 6 lines too. I do believe there were many crossing of DNA lines. We keep hunting. Peggy in CA, _Pegleghill@aol.com_ (_mailto:Pegleghill@aol.com_ (mailto:Pegleghill@aol.com) ) where am I off? I show Rachel married to Stephanos Haworth ???

No, Nicholites came from Joseph Nichols of DE/MD and were actually meeting on land that may have belonged in my Mason line of DE/MD in Kent DE. notes: In the 1770's there was a migration of people into the Deep River section of Guilford County that has been completely overlooked by historians. These people belonged to an obscure sect known as Nicholites. They have been so overlooked that even their descendents do not even know of them. A case in point is the recent history of Deep River township written by Will Pegg in whch he makes no mention of the Peggs being Nicholites. Richard Mendenhall married Mary Pegg a Nicholite, who was the daughter of Valentine Pegg, one of the original Nicholite emigrants into this area. Other prominent families in the area who were Nicholites were the Chipmans, Charleses, Horneys, Joseph Standley, and the Wheelers. _http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?p=nicholite&prssweb=Search&ei=UTF-8&u=www. fmoran.com/mdstand.html&w=nicholite&d=YhcKEW1aMHV2&icp=1&.intl=us_ (http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?p=nicholite&prssweb=Search&ei=UTF-8&u=www.fmoran.co m/mdstand.html&w=nicholite&d=YhcKEW1aMHV2&icp=1&.intl=us) (add Manloves to the above list, too) PMH It has been difficult for some NC researchers to separate the Standley family of DE from the VA lines, but this Joseph Standley/Stanley was definitely of DE/MD. Nicholites - Caroline, [MD] Dorchester [MD] & Kent Co., Del.) --This is how the reference was posted Naomi Mason, dau. of Abraham Mason and Sarah, b. 29-7-1770 Sarah Mason, dau. of " " b. 21-11-1771 Reubin Mason, son of " " b. 27-5-1773 Rhoda Mason, dau. of " " b. 6-8-1775 Lydia Mason, dau. of Abraham and Sarah Mason, b. 6-16-1779 Mary Mason, dau of Abraham and Sarah, b. 12-20-1782 With the exception of Naomi, these children match the 1814 will of Abraham, Mason but with wife Rachel, in Guilford County NC in 1814. Will: Abraham MASON and (second) wife Rachel MASON. Abraham left a will Sept. 24, 1814, pro. 1819 in Guilford Co. NC, These Masons are a Ydna match with my own Mason line of Kent DE. Transcribed by Pat Mason Harris from clerk's copy on file in Guilford County Courthouse. Abraham Mason File # 0249 In the name of God amen -- I Abraham Mason, of the county of Guilford in the State of North Carolina, planter being in perfect helth of body and of perfect mind and memory, thanks unto God: calling into mind the mortality of my body and knowing that it is appointed for all men once to die, do make and ordain this my last will and testament; that is to say, --Principally and first of all I give and recommend my soul unto the hand of Almighty God that gave it and my body I recommend to the earth, to be buried in decent Christian burial, at the discretion of my Executors-- nothing doubting but at the General Resurection I shall receive the same again, by the mity power of God.--And as touching such wordly estate wherewith it has pleased God to bless me in this life I give devise, and dispose of the same in the following manner and form: First--I give and bequeath to Rachel, my beloved wife, the tract of land and premises which I own and possess lying and being in the county of Guilford adjoining the lands of William Raper, and others fully to enjoy occupy and possess without molestation of any person or persons whatever during her natural lifetime, and after her death to descend to my four children hereafter mentioned to be equally divided amongst them; likewise I give and bequeath to my said wife one sixth part of all the rest of my estate both real and personal, to her heirs forever, and likewise one fifth part of all the debts due to me by others after my just and lawfull debts owing by me are paid. Secondly, I will and bequeath to Amy Payne twenty dollars to be paid out of my moveable estate; Thirdly-- I give and bequeath to my daughter Sarah Stanly and Thomas Stanly ten shillings to be paid out of my moveable estate and the remaining four fifths of all my estate both real and personal debts & etc. to be equally divided between my four following children viz Reuben Mason, Roda Payne Lydia Smith and Mary Jones to them their husbands and heirs forever and I do hereby appoint constitute make and ordain my wife Rachel joint Executrix with William Raper whom I make constitute and ordain Executor to this my last will and testament. And I do hereby utterly disallow revoke and disannull all and every other former testament wills legacies bequests and Executors by me in any wise before named willed and bequeathed testifying and confirming this and no other to be my last will and testament. In witness whereof I the said Abraham Mason have hereunto set my hand and seal this the 24th day of September in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and fourteen A. D. 1814. Abraham (his X mark) Mason (Seal) Sined sealed published pronounced and declared by the said Abraham Mason as his last will and testament in the presence of us who in his presence and in the presence of each other have hereunto subscribed our names. Solomon Raper Benjamin (his X mark) Payne (Jurat) State of North Carolina Guilford County } August term The execution of the within will was proven in open court by the oath of Benjamin Payne one of the subscribing witnesses thereto -- and on motion ordered to be recorded -- then came in Racheal Mason William Raper Executors appointed in said will and qualified as such accordingly Test John Hamilton ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- State of North Carolina Guilford County } August Term 1817 Ordered by the court, that Isaac Odell and Phillip Horney Esqrs be appointed a Committee to settle with William Raper Executor of the estate of Abraham Mason Decd and make report to next court. Test. John Hannes (?) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Settlement of the estate of Abraham Mason, Dec'd Entered November Term 1817 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- State of North Carolina Guilford County Persuant to an order of Court to us Directed from the August Term 1817 to settle and Liquidate the Estate of Abraham Mason Dec'd with the Executor William Raper we Report in manner and form following (Viz) 1st. The amount of Estate in Notes. Debts and amount of sale as appears by the Executors report we find to be the sum of $686.00 Vouchers produced by the Executor No. 1st The widdow of the Decd Rachel Masons Receipt dated July 8 1816 for $78.79 No 2nd Isaac Jones Recpt in part of his Legacy Dated Oct 14 1815 for $50.39 No. 3rd Benjamin Pains Recpt in part of his Legacy Dated June 10 1816 for $ 4.58 No. 4th Anna Pains Receipt in full of her Legacy left her by her grandfather Abraham Mason Dated Sept 6, 1815 for $20.00 No. 5th Eli Moors Receipt att for Isaac Jones one of the Legatees Dated Aug 25 1817 for $39.00 No. 6th Benajmin Pains Judgment against on a proven Account Dated May 1st 1816 for $13.30 No. 7th James Sulgraves proven acct Dated August 4th 1815 for $ 5.33 No. 8th William Bodenhamers proven account Dated Sept 27 1816 for $9. 18 No. 9th James Odells proven acct Dated October 26 1817 for $1.50 No. 10 Criers & Clerks fees $2.50 Attorneys fee$2.00 Proving the will$1.00 Executors Commission $34.00 Total amount of vouchers $341.57 Balance in the Executors hands $344.43 Oct 15, 1817 Isaac Odell P. Horey } Committee ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- Settlement of the Estate of Abraham Mason Decd Entered February Term 1818 (and under that) Settlement of the Estate of Abram Mason Decd with the Executors ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------- Settlement of the Estate of Abraham Mason Dec'd February Term 1820 Entered RBBP.47 ------------------------------ State of North Carolina Guilford County Persuant to an order to us Directed from the November Term 1819 To settle with William Raper Executor of the Estate Abraham Mason Dec'd we Report in manner and form following (Viz) 1st We find agreeable to a former Settlement Dated February 12, 1818 there then Remained in the Executors hand the sum of $131.99 2nd. By a Receipt Signed by Lydia Smith one of the legatees for the sum of $130.00 3rd. Allowance to Executor $1.99 from which it appears that there is Nothing more Remaining of the Estate in the hands of the Executor. Signed Isaac Odell P. Horney } Committee February 7th 1820 ------------------------------- In a message dated 9/3/2012 11:03:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pamstone@cfl.rr.com writes: Pat, Are the Nicholites that you cite the same as the Hichsites found in Hinshaw's recordings? Pam pamstone@cfl.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: harris-hunters-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:harris-hunters-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of PatCLARE@aol.com Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2012 9:02 PM To: harris-hunters@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] 1790 Guilford Co., NC Census redux Pam, thank you for including some of the Mendenhall family in your post. These Mendenhalls show up in several Family Finders crossing some Harris lines Charity Beeson d/o Richard Beeson/Charity Grubb was the wife of Mordechai Mendenhall. John Chipman was from Delaware and moved to NC in the company of a group of Nicholites of the DE/MD border areas. This was a religious movement conceived in the area of Kent DE which followed Quaker concepts, only more so. You can Google Nicholites and read about them. Pat Harris . In a message dated 9/1/2012 4:16:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pamstone@cfl.rr.com writes: Hi, all, I was unsatisfied with the research I had gathered for the family of Obediah Harris Sr. (1741-1830) in Guilford Co. in 1790, so went back in search of more of his family, carefully reviewing each page of the 1790 census. I still don't know where Obediah & Rebecca's eldest son was at that time, but I do know that their son, Benjamin 1764-1850) was not in either Surry Co. or Guilford Co., NC. However, I did find two of Obediah's daughters' families, and have put the additional information into the family records. I realize that few persons on this list may be interested in the Mendenhall lineage coming into this Harris line, so I will just state that there is clear proof that Mordecai & Charity Mendenhall, a newly-married couple, moved from Pennsylvania to the Hopewell Monthly Meeting in Virginia in 1736, and were granted a certificate with their family to North Carolina in 1756. Their oldest child was Richard Mendenhall, b. 1737, and who was "LOST" in 1773, whose wife was Jane. A younger son of Mordecai & Charity was Stephen, the father of Maris Mendenhall, who was the first wife of Obediah Harris Jr./II. So here is the corrected rendition of the 1790 census of Guilford Co., NC. Pam pamstone@cfl.rr.com ============================== Extracted from: National Archives Microfilm #M637_7 1790 Federal Census Guilford Co., NC - Key: Free white males 16 & up; Free white males under 16; Free white females; All other free persons; Slaves; Total in Household - Enumerated by Thos. Henderson, Asst Marshal [IMPORTANT NOTE: These pages were arranged in 3 columns, and hand-numbered after the fact by splitting each page in half, with the totals at the bottom of each long page. So, Col. 1, Line 22 of page 507, the household of "Mordica Mendingall", was separated by only one household from that of Richard "Mendingall", whose household was listed at the top of Col. 2 on page 506.] Handwritten p. 501: . [Col. 1, L19] Obediah Harris 2 - 1 - 5; 0; 0; 8 [2 males 16+; 1 male under 16; 5 females; No other free persons; No slaves; Total Household of 8] [Obediah Sr., 49; Unknown; Obediah Jr./II, 15; Rebecca, 47; Rachel, 19; Judith, 16; Rebecca, 10; Elizabeth, 5] . ===== Handwritten p. 502: . [Col. 2, L17] John Chipman 1 - 3 - 2; 0; 0; 6 [1 male 16+; 3 males under 16; 2 females; No other free persons; No slaves; Total Household of 6] [John, 29; 3 small sons; Mary "Molly" Harris, 23; 1 small daughter] [John Chipman, reportedly b. 1761, Delaware, husband of Mary "Molly" Harris, b. 1766, daughter of Obediah & Rebecca Johnson Harris] . ===== Handwritten p. 507 . [Col. 1, L22] Mordica Mendingall 1 - 0 - 2; 0; 0; 3 [Mordecai Mendenhall; wife Charity] [Col. 1, L23] Joseph Hoggat 3 - 2 - 3; 0; 0; 8 ===== Handwritten p. 506: [Page has 3 columns] [Col. 2, L1] Richd Mendingall 1 - 2 - 1 ; 0; 0; 4 [Richard, 29; Benjamin, 3; Obediah, 2; Sarah, 27] [Richard, b. 1761, husband of Sarah, b. 1762, daughter of Obediah & Rebecca Johnson Harris; son of Richard, b. 1737, decd. & wife, Jane; grandson of Mordecai & Charity Mendenhall] . [Col. 2, L13] Stephen Mendingall 3 - 4 - 6; 0; 0; 13 [Stephen, son of Mordecai & Charity, father of Maris Mendenhall Harris, 1st wife of Obediah Harris Jr./II; brother of Richard, decd.; and uncle of Richard Jr./II, husband of Sarah Harris] . ================================== ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pam, I do relate to the Mendenhalls but more so, Richard Beeson/Charity Grubb on my paternal line. Richard and Charity Grubb Beeson's daughter, Rachael married John Wheeler whose only daughter Mary Wheeler married in to my main paternal line of Vestal. These are all Quaker families. The Nicholite story is very interesting and involved my Wheelers and Piggots and more. It is worth reading. I do connect with the Harris lines here but how any Harris line connects with my Capt William Harris/Mary Hudson continues to remain elusive. I am PROBABLY a descent on the Harris DNA 8 lines but there are strong indications of Harris DNA 6 lines too. I do believe there were many crossing of DNA lines. We keep hunting. Peggy in CA, _Pegleghill@aol.com_ (mailto:Pegleghill@aol.com) In a message dated 9/3/2012 8:01:51 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pamstone@cfl.rr.com writes: Pat, Are the Nicholites that you cite the same as the Hichsites found in Hinshaw's recordings? Pam pamstone@cfl.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: harris-hunters-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:harris-hunters-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of PatCLARE@aol.com Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2012 9:02 PM To: harris-hunters@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] 1790 Guilford Co., NC Census redux Pam, thank you for including some of the Mendenhall family in your post. These Mendenhalls show up in several Family Finders crossing some Harris lines Charity Beeson d/o Richard Beeson/Charity Grubb was the wife of Mordechai Mendenhall. John Chipman was from Delaware and moved to NC in the company of a group of Nicholites of the DE/MD border areas. This was a religious movement conceived in the area of Kent DE which followed Quaker concepts, only more so. You can Google Nicholites and read about them. Pat Harris . In a message dated 9/1/2012 4:16:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pamstone@cfl.rr.com writes: Hi, all, I was unsatisfied with the research I had gathered for the family of Obediah Harris Sr. (1741-1830) in Guilford Co. in 1790, so went back in search of more of his family, carefully reviewing each page of the 1790 census. I still don't know where Obediah & Rebecca's eldest son was at that time, but I do know that their son, Benjamin 1764-1850) was not in either Surry Co. or Guilford Co., NC. However, I did find two of Obediah's daughters' families, and have put the additional information into the family records. I realize that few persons on this list may be interested in the Mendenhall lineage coming into this Harris line, so I will just state that there is clear proof that Mordecai & Charity Mendenhall, a newly-married couple, moved from Pennsylvania to the Hopewell Monthly Meeting in Virginia in 1736, and were granted a certificate with their family to North Carolina in 1756. Their oldest child was Richard Mendenhall, b. 1737, and who was "LOST" in 1773, whose wife was Jane. A younger son of Mordecai & Charity was Stephen, the father of Maris Mendenhall, who was the first wife of Obediah Harris Jr./II. So here is the corrected rendition of the 1790 census of Guilford Co., NC. Pam pamstone@cfl.rr.com ============================== Extracted from: National Archives Microfilm #M637_7 1790 Federal Census Guilford Co., NC - Key: Free white males 16 & up; Free white males under 16; Free white females; All other free persons; Slaves; Total in Household - Enumerated by Thos. Henderson, Asst Marshal [IMPORTANT NOTE: These pages were arranged in 3 columns, and hand-numbered after the fact by splitting each page in half, with the totals at the bottom of each long page. So, Col. 1, Line 22 of page 507, the household of "Mordica Mendingall", was separated by only one household from that of Richard "Mendingall", whose household was listed at the top of Col. 2 on page 506.] Handwritten p. 501: . [Col. 1, L19] Obediah Harris 2 - 1 - 5; 0; 0; 8 [2 males 16+; 1 male under 16; 5 females; No other free persons; No slaves; Total Household of 8] [Obediah Sr., 49; Unknown; Obediah Jr./II, 15; Rebecca, 47; Rachel, 19; Judith, 16; Rebecca, 10; Elizabeth, 5] . ===== Handwritten p. 502: . [Col. 2, L17] John Chipman 1 - 3 - 2; 0; 0; 6 [1 male 16+; 3 males under 16; 2 females; No other free persons; No slaves; Total Household of 6] [John, 29; 3 small sons; Mary "Molly" Harris, 23; 1 small daughter] [John Chipman, reportedly b. 1761, Delaware, husband of Mary "Molly" Harris, b. 1766, daughter of Obediah & Rebecca Johnson Harris] . ===== Handwritten p. 507 . [Col. 1, L22] Mordica Mendingall 1 - 0 - 2; 0; 0; 3 [Mordecai Mendenhall; wife Charity] [Col. 1, L23] Joseph Hoggat 3 - 2 - 3; 0; 0; 8 ===== Handwritten p. 506: [Page has 3 columns] [Col. 2, L1] Richd Mendingall 1 - 2 - 1 ; 0; 0; 4 [Richard, 29; Benjamin, 3; Obediah, 2; Sarah, 27] [Richard, b. 1761, husband of Sarah, b. 1762, daughter of Obediah & Rebecca Johnson Harris; son of Richard, b. 1737, decd. & wife, Jane; grandson of Mordecai & Charity Mendenhall] . [Col. 2, L13] Stephen Mendingall 3 - 4 - 6; 0; 0; 13 [Stephen, son of Mordecai & Charity, father of Maris Mendenhall Harris, 1st wife of Obediah Harris Jr./II; brother of Richard, decd.; and uncle of Richard Jr./II, husband of Sarah Harris] . ================================== ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Wanda, Let's go to your last paragraphs below.  Have you any clues as to the probable residences of Henry Harris, the dates, the names of the children, etc.? In 1742, Henry's stated birth year, Virginia' boundaries were barely getting to the foothills of the Blue Ridge mountains.  Orange Co. and Prince William Co. (both of which later divided), were on *the frontier*.   (Source:  Michael F. Doran, Atlast of County Boundary Changes in Virginia, 1634-1895 [Athens, GA:  Iberian Publishing Co. 1987] [now called, I believe, New Papyrus Publishing, still in Athens] I covet my eight volumes of Cavaliers and Pioneers, but the Library of Virginia Land Patents (online) may help you narrow down where the parents of Henry Harris may have been hanging their axes (hats).  Go to the topic Land Patents (the subject will include the Northern Neck land grants).  The earliest land grants (covered by the abstracts in above-mentioned eight volumes of Cavalies and Pioneers) will be at the very end of the LONG lists for Harrises!!!!  (The oldest patents are at the end.) I heard a couple of lectures in the past five years by Thomas W. Jones, who until rather recently was co-editor of the National Genealogical Society Journal (quarterly).  He gave me a lot of hope, as my Dad's ancestors all (except for some colonial Germans) had common names.  Jones lectured on collecting all the bits and pieces of the jigsaw puzzles; they don't fit when you stumble on them, but they may in the future. Also, he says--watch those naming patterns!!!!  (Of course, I cannot believe all those Overton Harrises are cousins!!!!  I am descended from one Overton Harris, son of Christopher Harris who died testate [both of them did--died testate] in Madison Co., KY.) Again, what were the names of the children of your Henry Harris?  And Thoma W. Jones believes in *inferential genealogy*.  (With common surnames, one needs a lot of inference--especially if they were in burned counties!!!) Another lecture by Jones was on *inferential genealogy*.  I like that.  You have to infer a lot, but it helps to know (or keep learning) history and geography of the places you are studying.  I had to learn early on that my great-grandmother, quite a bit younger than her elderly spouse, had made an error in giving her deceased spouse's birthplace in Kentucky. At the time, he was born that part of Kentucky between the Mississippi and the Ohio rivers belonged to the Chickasaw Indians!!!!  Back to square one--until my aunt sent me transcriptions of old letters which she and a cousin had discovered in an old trunk at the old ranch house.  Ah--another place to study in Kentucky!!!  And maternal cousins in Illinois and Missouri!!! A few years ago, I spent half a day at the Orange Co. VA courthouse as we were vacationing in that area.  The deed indexes of early date were so full of names which I recognized as antecedents of my Rev. Andrew Tribble (early Baptist minister in and around Madison Co., KY.)  I ordered quite a few photocopies of the indexes alne [no deeds], but the clerk, who was quite timid, had to confer with her supervisor.  The supervisor would let me have only about ten photocopies, and the underclerk said, She is afraid you will put them on the internet!!!!  I thought to myself, this clerk is behind the times!!!!  As she was speaking someone was probably already inputting!!!  Orange Co. ca 1740s was the Virginia frontier on the North and Brunswick Co. was the frontier on the south.  (I discovered some of my early Surry Co. and Isle of Wight families were later found in Brunswick county, a huge county!!!) Good luck with your colonial and later Harrises! E.W.Wallace ________________________________ From: Wanda Flesher <w.flesher@gmail.com> To: harris-hunters@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2012 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Speculating about John Harris (yDNA Group 30) of Amelia Co, VA Sandy,  I'm slow at reading the Harris List mail.  I just noticed your Estes information from 8/20.  I also trace my Estes line to Abraham Estes and Barbara Brock through their son Elisha Estes (Sr), b 1703, St. Stephen's Parish, New Kent Co, VA. and Mary Ann Munford.  Elisha Estes Sr died in 1782 in Henry Co, VA. They had a son Elisha Estes Jr, b 1729 in Henry Co VA who married Frances Bottom.  I'm descended from their dau Dicia Dicey Estes who married Jesse Kirby.  The Kirby's son, Elisha died in Madison Co KY. Elisha Estes Jr and Frances Bottom also had a son Elisha Estes (I term him, III), b1754 of Henry Co, VA and died in Madison Co Ky.  Elisha Estes III married Nancy Harris, a dau of Henry Harris and Annie Bird Harris.  Henry Harris was born 16 June 1742 in Orange Co, VA, lived in Henry Co VA before migrating to Madison Co KY where he died 28 Jan 1835.  The family would have moved to Madison Co KY between 1790 and 1798.  His property lay very close to Christopher Harris' as noted in a deed dated abt 1825.  From my notes, "On 1 Apr 1816, he attended estate sale of Wm Harris, deceased, purchased a waistcoat, a pair of shears. Other Harris's at sale were Foster Harris, Overton Harris, and Polly Harris." Henry and Ann had 5 dau's and probably 1 son, Zebulon Harris.  From my notes, "Zebulon is BELIEVED to be son of Henry Harris.  Zeb married Elizabeth Dillingham dau of Joshua and Sarah Graham (lst wf) Dillingham.  Joshua's Dillingham's 2nd wf was Winnifred Harris dau of Henry Harris and probable sister to Zebulon...Winifred Harris Dillingham would be the step mother of Elizabeth Dillingham, Zebulon's wife.."  Are any of Zeb's descendants researching the family and are there any DNA records for this family? I, personally, daughter'd out with Henry and Annie Bird Harris. Thanks to all who contribute to this list.  I really enjoy it. Unfortunately, I'm still searching for any proof of Henry Harris's (b.1742) parents.  Any info is greatly appreciated. Wanda Thomas Flesher On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Sandra Hart <sandyhart@mac.com> wrote: > Ira, Thanks anyway - - still hoping to work my way thru the ca 1700 John > and William Harrises to establish our John Harris line.  At least John's > wife, Susannah Wingo, had a distinctive name! Her family probably came to > Amelia Co from King Wm Co > > But even that might not be as tidy as I'd like.  James Hargraves believes > that John Harris might have been married to another woman before Susannah > with whom he might have had additional children.  James has further > suggested that "our" John was a son of Lt Thomas and Judith (Edwards) > Harris, (who have been claimed by a different Harris y-DNA group as their > ancestors). > > Pst Seaver and I have also considered the possibility that the William > Harris ("of Surry County") who owned land and slaves on Deep Creek in the > SE corner of Amelia Co might have been our John's brother. He had a son > William, who in turn had a son Hamlin.  Does anyone know more about this > family? There is no evidence that the elder William actually lived in > Amelia Co, by the way, just owned land. > > Matthew Harris appeared in Amelia Co as early as 1739. He was associated > with our John in court cases and by location. Could he have been another > brother of "our" John? Or another son by an earlier marriage? > > A John Harris who was arrested for swearing and drunkenness in 1735 Amelia > Co.  Was this "our" John?  Or a teenaged son by a 1st wife sowing his > Colonial wild oats in the local tavern.  Pat Seaver's and my John Harris > didn't show up in Amelia Co for sure until 1736 (tax list, land purchase). > In 1737 he became a constable in Amelia Co. > > Our John probably had the following children: > Rhoda (married Abraham Vasser in 1748, Amelia Co. They moved to Halifax > Co, VA.  Abraham's  brother Nathaniel married Sarah Hudson, d/o Peter and > Mourning Hudson and niece of Judith Hudson w/o Wm Harris of Bluestone > Creek). Rhoda was sufficiently older than "our" William that there's > speculation she was d/o an earlier marriage. > > William (married Elizabeth, moved to Halfax Co, VA, Stokes Co, NC, and > finally Patrick Co, VA). Children included Barnard/Barnet, Tabitha, > possibly Obediah and Elijah m Nancy Lee (4GGrandgather of Sandy Harris Hart > & Pat Seaver) > > John? - son by a first marriage?  A John and John Jr both listed as Amelia > Co men paid for service in French and Indian War (1754-1763). There were > two John Harrises (a younger and an older man) who lived near Harris yDNA > Group 30 men - - William and his sons Barnard and Elijah - in Halifax Co. A > John Harris (26-45 years old) was enumerated next to Harris yDNA Group 30 > men - - William and son Barnard in 1800 Stokes Co, NC. > > James? - James Harris listed as tithe for John Harris in 1669 and 1770 > Amelia Co and witnessed a deed with John in 1771.  John, John Jr, and James > Harris were listed as Amelia Co men paid for service in French and Indian > War (1754-1763). > > Matthew? - Was he the same person as the man who may have been John's > brother (see above). A Matthew Harris continued to associate with John in > Amelia Co and then moved further west into Prince Edward Co. A younger > Matthew Harris showed up in 1800 Stokes Co, NC listed near William, Barnet, > and John Harris. > > Mary -  Pat Seaver suggested that the Mary Harris who married William > Estes may have been d/o John Harris.  Mary and Wm Estes lived in Amelia and > Halifax Co, VA and had 6 children. Pat S has a FF match with Carl Eugene > Estes (but no paper trail back to Amelia/Halifax Co Estes). While I do NOT > have a match with Carl Eugene, I do have a match with Arlie Sessions who > traces his Estes line back to Abraham Estes, Sr (1744, King & Queen, > VA-1720 King & Queen) and Barbara Brock (1667- ) through Robert Sr and Jr > to Martha m John Wrenn). Using a family tree posted on ancestry.com, I > traced the line of Mary Harris back to the same Abraham and Barbara (Brock) > Estes thru son Moses (1711-1788) to William Isaac Estes (1744-1780) m Mary > Harris (1746-1782). This tree didn't include the descendants through Robert > given by Arlie Sessions, so I'll have to contact him and do some more > research. > > If I've got this right, my DNA may have finally given me a link back to a > yDNA Group 30 ancestor!  If this online tree is correct, she would have > been a much younger sister of our William.  Sadly it provided no hint about > Mary's parents. And,  I found a "connection"  rather than the source of the > DNA match. > Sandy > > On Aug 20, 2012, at 5:27 AM, Ira Harris wrote: > > > Sandy, > > > > Unfortunately No. All I have in my database is what is listed in the > citation. > > The clues may be in the Guy, Trevalian, or Woolfolk families. > > I have not done any research about this family and its' connections. > > I have been working in the Carolinas and Alabama/Mississippi. > > > > Ira > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- *         For Freedom's Sake - Love God, Love America* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pat, Are the Nicholites that you cite the same as the Hichsites found in Hinshaw's recordings? Pam pamstone@cfl.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: harris-hunters-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:harris-hunters-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of PatCLARE@aol.com Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2012 9:02 PM To: harris-hunters@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] 1790 Guilford Co., NC Census redux Pam, thank you for including some of the Mendenhall family in your post. These Mendenhalls show up in several Family Finders crossing some Harris lines Charity Beeson d/o Richard Beeson/Charity Grubb was the wife of Mordechai Mendenhall. John Chipman was from Delaware and moved to NC in the company of a group of Nicholites of the DE/MD border areas. This was a religious movement conceived in the area of Kent DE which followed Quaker concepts, only more so. You can Google Nicholites and read about them. Pat Harris . In a message dated 9/1/2012 4:16:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pamstone@cfl.rr.com writes: Hi, all, I was unsatisfied with the research I had gathered for the family of Obediah Harris Sr. (1741-1830) in Guilford Co. in 1790, so went back in search of more of his family, carefully reviewing each page of the 1790 census. I still don't know where Obediah & Rebecca's eldest son was at that time, but I do know that their son, Benjamin 1764-1850) was not in either Surry Co. or Guilford Co., NC. However, I did find two of Obediah's daughters' families, and have put the additional information into the family records. I realize that few persons on this list may be interested in the Mendenhall lineage coming into this Harris line, so I will just state that there is clear proof that Mordecai & Charity Mendenhall, a newly-married couple, moved from Pennsylvania to the Hopewell Monthly Meeting in Virginia in 1736, and were granted a certificate with their family to North Carolina in 1756. Their oldest child was Richard Mendenhall, b. 1737, and who was "LOST" in 1773, whose wife was Jane. A younger son of Mordecai & Charity was Stephen, the father of Maris Mendenhall, who was the first wife of Obediah Harris Jr./II. So here is the corrected rendition of the 1790 census of Guilford Co., NC. Pam pamstone@cfl.rr.com ============================== Extracted from: National Archives Microfilm #M637_7 1790 Federal Census Guilford Co., NC - Key: Free white males 16 & up; Free white males under 16; Free white females; All other free persons; Slaves; Total in Household - Enumerated by Thos. Henderson, Asst Marshal [IMPORTANT NOTE: These pages were arranged in 3 columns, and hand-numbered after the fact by splitting each page in half, with the totals at the bottom of each long page. So, Col. 1, Line 22 of page 507, the household of "Mordica Mendingall", was separated by only one household from that of Richard "Mendingall", whose household was listed at the top of Col. 2 on page 506.] Handwritten p. 501: . [Col. 1, L19] Obediah Harris 2 - 1 - 5; 0; 0; 8 [2 males 16+; 1 male under 16; 5 females; No other free persons; No slaves; Total Household of 8] [Obediah Sr., 49; Unknown; Obediah Jr./II, 15; Rebecca, 47; Rachel, 19; Judith, 16; Rebecca, 10; Elizabeth, 5] . ===== Handwritten p. 502: . [Col. 2, L17] John Chipman 1 - 3 - 2; 0; 0; 6 [1 male 16+; 3 males under 16; 2 females; No other free persons; No slaves; Total Household of 6] [John, 29; 3 small sons; Mary "Molly" Harris, 23; 1 small daughter] [John Chipman, reportedly b. 1761, Delaware, husband of Mary "Molly" Harris, b. 1766, daughter of Obediah & Rebecca Johnson Harris] . ===== Handwritten p. 507 . [Col. 1, L22] Mordica Mendingall 1 - 0 - 2; 0; 0; 3 [Mordecai Mendenhall; wife Charity] [Col. 1, L23] Joseph Hoggat 3 - 2 - 3; 0; 0; 8 ===== Handwritten p. 506: [Page has 3 columns] [Col. 2, L1] Richd Mendingall 1 - 2 - 1 ; 0; 0; 4 [Richard, 29; Benjamin, 3; Obediah, 2; Sarah, 27] [Richard, b. 1761, husband of Sarah, b. 1762, daughter of Obediah & Rebecca Johnson Harris; son of Richard, b. 1737, decd. & wife, Jane; grandson of Mordecai & Charity Mendenhall] . [Col. 2, L13] Stephen Mendingall 3 - 4 - 6; 0; 0; 13 [Stephen, son of Mordecai & Charity, father of Maris Mendenhall Harris, 1st wife of Obediah Harris Jr./II; brother of Richard, decd.; and uncle of Richard Jr./II, husband of Sarah Harris] . ================================== ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Wanda, If I follow what you posted and remember what I posted, several male descendants of Abraham Estes/Barbara Brock married Harris women who are related to different Harris yDNA lines! I've never been terribly successful in tracing the descendants of William and Mary (Estes) Harris. Perhaps I'll give it another try! They sure didn't make it easy for us to figure them out 200 years later! What is your Harris yDNA connection? Sandy On Sep 2, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Wanda Flesher wrote: > Sandy, I'm slow at reading the Harris List mail. I just noticed your > Estes information from 8/20. I also trace my Estes line to Abraham Estes > and Barbara Brock through their son Elisha Estes (Sr), b 1703, St. > Stephen's Parish, New Kent Co, VA. and Mary Ann Munford. Elisha Estes Sr > died in 1782 in Henry Co, VA. > They had a son Elisha Estes Jr, b 1729 in Henry Co VA who married Frances > Bottom. I'm descended from their dau Dicia Dicey Estes who married Jesse > Kirby. The Kirby's son, Elisha died in Madison Co KY. > > Elisha Estes Jr and Frances Bottom also had a son Elisha Estes (I term him, > III), b1754 of Henry Co, VA and died in Madison Co Ky. Elisha Estes III > married Nancy Harris, a dau of Henry Harris and Annie Bird Harris. Henry > Harris was born 16 June 1742 in Orange Co, VA, lived in Henry Co VA before > migrating to Madison Co KY where he died 28 Jan 1835. The family would > have moved to Madison Co KY between 1790 and 1798. His property lay very > close to Christopher Harris' as noted in a deed dated abt 1825. From my > notes, "On 1 Apr 1816, he attended estate sale of Wm Harris, deceased, > purchased a waistcoat, a pair of shears. Other Harris's at sale were Foster > Harris, Overton Harris, and Polly Harris." > > Henry and Ann had 5 dau's and probably 1 son, Zebulon Harris. From my > notes, > "Zebulon is BELIEVED to be son of Henry Harris. Zeb married Elizabeth > Dillingham dau of Joshua and Sarah Graham (lst wf) Dillingham. Joshua's > Dillingham's 2nd wf was Winnifred Harris dau of Henry Harris and probable > sister to Zebulon...Winifred Harris Dillingham would be the step mother of > Elizabeth Dillingham, Zebulon's wife.." Are any of Zeb's descendants > researching the family and are there any DNA records for this family? > > I, personally, daughter'd out with Henry and Annie Bird Harris. > > Thanks to all who contribute to this list. I really enjoy it. > Unfortunately, I'm still searching for any proof of Henry Harris's > (b.1742) parents. Any info is greatly appreciated. > > Wanda Thomas Flesher > > > > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Sandra Hart <sandyhart@mac.com> wrote: > >> Ira, Thanks anyway - - still hoping to work my way thru the ca 1700 John >> and William Harrises to establish our John Harris line. At least John's >> wife, Susannah Wingo, had a distinctive name! Her family probably came to >> Amelia Co from King Wm Co >> >> But even that might not be as tidy as I'd like. James Hargraves believes >> that John Harris might have been married to another woman before Susannah >> with whom he might have had additional children. James has further >> suggested that "our" John was a son of Lt Thomas and Judith (Edwards) >> Harris, (who have been claimed by a different Harris y-DNA group as their >> ancestors). >> >> Pst Seaver and I have also considered the possibility that the William >> Harris ("of Surry County") who owned land and slaves on Deep Creek in the >> SE corner of Amelia Co might have been our John's brother. He had a son >> William, who in turn had a son Hamlin. Does anyone know more about this >> family? There is no evidence that the elder William actually lived in >> Amelia Co, by the way, just owned land. >> >> Matthew Harris appeared in Amelia Co as early as 1739. He was associated >> with our John in court cases and by location. Could he have been another >> brother of "our" John? Or another son by an earlier marriage? >> >> A John Harris who was arrested for swearing and drunkenness in 1735 Amelia >> Co. Was this "our" John? Or a teenaged son by a 1st wife sowing his >> Colonial wild oats in the local tavern. Pat Seaver's and my John Harris >> didn't show up in Amelia Co for sure until 1736 (tax list, land purchase). >> In 1737 he became a constable in Amelia Co. >> >> Our John probably had the following children: >> Rhoda (married Abraham Vasser in 1748, Amelia Co. They moved to Halifax >> Co, VA. Abraham's brother Nathaniel married Sarah Hudson, d/o Peter and >> Mourning Hudson and niece of Judith Hudson w/o Wm Harris of Bluestone >> Creek). Rhoda was sufficiently older than "our" William that there's >> speculation she was d/o an earlier marriage. >> >> William (married Elizabeth, moved to Halfax Co, VA, Stokes Co, NC, and >> finally Patrick Co, VA). Children included Barnard/Barnet, Tabitha, >> possibly Obediah and Elijah m Nancy Lee (4GGrandgather of Sandy Harris Hart >> & Pat Seaver) >> >> John? - son by a first marriage? A John and John Jr both listed as Amelia >> Co men paid for service in French and Indian War (1754-1763). There were >> two John Harrises (a younger and an older man) who lived near Harris yDNA >> Group 30 men - - William and his sons Barnard and Elijah - in Halifax Co. A >> John Harris (26-45 years old) was enumerated next to Harris yDNA Group 30 >> men - - William and son Barnard in 1800 Stokes Co, NC. >> >> James? - James Harris listed as tithe for John Harris in 1669 and 1770 >> Amelia Co and witnessed a deed with John in 1771. John, John Jr, and James >> Harris were listed as Amelia Co men paid for service in French and Indian >> War (1754-1763). >> >> Matthew? - Was he the same person as the man who may have been John's >> brother (see above). A Matthew Harris continued to associate with John in >> Amelia Co and then moved further west into Prince Edward Co. A younger >> Matthew Harris showed up in 1800 Stokes Co, NC listed near William, Barnet, >> and John Harris. >> >> Mary - Pat Seaver suggested that the Mary Harris who married William >> Estes may have been d/o John Harris. Mary and Wm Estes lived in Amelia and >> Halifax Co, VA and had 6 children. Pat S has a FF match with Carl Eugene >> Estes (but no paper trail back to Amelia/Halifax Co Estes). While I do NOT >> have a match with Carl Eugene, I do have a match with Arlie Sessions who >> traces his Estes line back to Abraham Estes, Sr (1744, King & Queen, >> VA-1720 King & Queen) and Barbara Brock (1667- ) through Robert Sr and Jr >> to Martha m John Wrenn). Using a family tree posted on ancestry.com, I >> traced the line of Mary Harris back to the same Abraham and Barbara (Brock) >> Estes thru son Moses (1711-1788) to William Isaac Estes (1744-1780) m Mary >> Harris (1746-1782). This tree didn't include the descendants through Robert >> given by Arlie Sessions, so I'll have to contact him and do some more >> research. >> >> If I've got this right, my DNA may have finally given me a link back to a >> yDNA Group 30 ancestor! If this online tree is correct, she would have >> been a much younger sister of our William. Sadly it provided no hint about >> Mary's parents. And, I found a "connection" rather than the source of the >> DNA match. >> Sandy >> >> On Aug 20, 2012, at 5:27 AM, Ira Harris wrote: >> >>> Sandy, >>> >>> Unfortunately No. All I have in my database is what is listed in the >> citation. >>> The clues may be in the Guy, Trevalian, or Woolfolk families. >>> I have not done any research about this family and its' connections. >>> I have been working in the Carolinas and Alabama/Mississippi. >>> >>> Ira >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > > > * > > For Freedom's Sake - Love God, Love America* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sandy, I'm slow at reading the Harris List mail. I just noticed your Estes information from 8/20. I also trace my Estes line to Abraham Estes and Barbara Brock through their son Elisha Estes (Sr), b 1703, St. Stephen's Parish, New Kent Co, VA. and Mary Ann Munford. Elisha Estes Sr died in 1782 in Henry Co, VA. They had a son Elisha Estes Jr, b 1729 in Henry Co VA who married Frances Bottom. I'm descended from their dau Dicia Dicey Estes who married Jesse Kirby. The Kirby's son, Elisha died in Madison Co KY. Elisha Estes Jr and Frances Bottom also had a son Elisha Estes (I term him, III), b1754 of Henry Co, VA and died in Madison Co Ky. Elisha Estes III married Nancy Harris, a dau of Henry Harris and Annie Bird Harris. Henry Harris was born 16 June 1742 in Orange Co, VA, lived in Henry Co VA before migrating to Madison Co KY where he died 28 Jan 1835. The family would have moved to Madison Co KY between 1790 and 1798. His property lay very close to Christopher Harris' as noted in a deed dated abt 1825. From my notes, "On 1 Apr 1816, he attended estate sale of Wm Harris, deceased, purchased a waistcoat, a pair of shears. Other Harris's at sale were Foster Harris, Overton Harris, and Polly Harris." Henry and Ann had 5 dau's and probably 1 son, Zebulon Harris. From my notes, "Zebulon is BELIEVED to be son of Henry Harris. Zeb married Elizabeth Dillingham dau of Joshua and Sarah Graham (lst wf) Dillingham. Joshua's Dillingham's 2nd wf was Winnifred Harris dau of Henry Harris and probable sister to Zebulon...Winifred Harris Dillingham would be the step mother of Elizabeth Dillingham, Zebulon's wife.." Are any of Zeb's descendants researching the family and are there any DNA records for this family? I, personally, daughter'd out with Henry and Annie Bird Harris. Thanks to all who contribute to this list. I really enjoy it. Unfortunately, I'm still searching for any proof of Henry Harris's (b.1742) parents. Any info is greatly appreciated. Wanda Thomas Flesher On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Sandra Hart <sandyhart@mac.com> wrote: > Ira, Thanks anyway - - still hoping to work my way thru the ca 1700 John > and William Harrises to establish our John Harris line. At least John's > wife, Susannah Wingo, had a distinctive name! Her family probably came to > Amelia Co from King Wm Co > > But even that might not be as tidy as I'd like. James Hargraves believes > that John Harris might have been married to another woman before Susannah > with whom he might have had additional children. James has further > suggested that "our" John was a son of Lt Thomas and Judith (Edwards) > Harris, (who have been claimed by a different Harris y-DNA group as their > ancestors). > > Pst Seaver and I have also considered the possibility that the William > Harris ("of Surry County") who owned land and slaves on Deep Creek in the > SE corner of Amelia Co might have been our John's brother. He had a son > William, who in turn had a son Hamlin. Does anyone know more about this > family? There is no evidence that the elder William actually lived in > Amelia Co, by the way, just owned land. > > Matthew Harris appeared in Amelia Co as early as 1739. He was associated > with our John in court cases and by location. Could he have been another > brother of "our" John? Or another son by an earlier marriage? > > A John Harris who was arrested for swearing and drunkenness in 1735 Amelia > Co. Was this "our" John? Or a teenaged son by a 1st wife sowing his > Colonial wild oats in the local tavern. Pat Seaver's and my John Harris > didn't show up in Amelia Co for sure until 1736 (tax list, land purchase). > In 1737 he became a constable in Amelia Co. > > Our John probably had the following children: > Rhoda (married Abraham Vasser in 1748, Amelia Co. They moved to Halifax > Co, VA. Abraham's brother Nathaniel married Sarah Hudson, d/o Peter and > Mourning Hudson and niece of Judith Hudson w/o Wm Harris of Bluestone > Creek). Rhoda was sufficiently older than "our" William that there's > speculation she was d/o an earlier marriage. > > William (married Elizabeth, moved to Halfax Co, VA, Stokes Co, NC, and > finally Patrick Co, VA). Children included Barnard/Barnet, Tabitha, > possibly Obediah and Elijah m Nancy Lee (4GGrandgather of Sandy Harris Hart > & Pat Seaver) > > John? - son by a first marriage? A John and John Jr both listed as Amelia > Co men paid for service in French and Indian War (1754-1763). There were > two John Harrises (a younger and an older man) who lived near Harris yDNA > Group 30 men - - William and his sons Barnard and Elijah - in Halifax Co. A > John Harris (26-45 years old) was enumerated next to Harris yDNA Group 30 > men - - William and son Barnard in 1800 Stokes Co, NC. > > James? - James Harris listed as tithe for John Harris in 1669 and 1770 > Amelia Co and witnessed a deed with John in 1771. John, John Jr, and James > Harris were listed as Amelia Co men paid for service in French and Indian > War (1754-1763). > > Matthew? - Was he the same person as the man who may have been John's > brother (see above). A Matthew Harris continued to associate with John in > Amelia Co and then moved further west into Prince Edward Co. A younger > Matthew Harris showed up in 1800 Stokes Co, NC listed near William, Barnet, > and John Harris. > > Mary - Pat Seaver suggested that the Mary Harris who married William > Estes may have been d/o John Harris. Mary and Wm Estes lived in Amelia and > Halifax Co, VA and had 6 children. Pat S has a FF match with Carl Eugene > Estes (but no paper trail back to Amelia/Halifax Co Estes). While I do NOT > have a match with Carl Eugene, I do have a match with Arlie Sessions who > traces his Estes line back to Abraham Estes, Sr (1744, King & Queen, > VA-1720 King & Queen) and Barbara Brock (1667- ) through Robert Sr and Jr > to Martha m John Wrenn). Using a family tree posted on ancestry.com, I > traced the line of Mary Harris back to the same Abraham and Barbara (Brock) > Estes thru son Moses (1711-1788) to William Isaac Estes (1744-1780) m Mary > Harris (1746-1782). This tree didn't include the descendants through Robert > given by Arlie Sessions, so I'll have to contact him and do some more > research. > > If I've got this right, my DNA may have finally given me a link back to a > yDNA Group 30 ancestor! If this online tree is correct, she would have > been a much younger sister of our William. Sadly it provided no hint about > Mary's parents. And, I found a "connection" rather than the source of the > DNA match. > Sandy > > On Aug 20, 2012, at 5:27 AM, Ira Harris wrote: > > > Sandy, > > > > Unfortunately No. All I have in my database is what is listed in the > citation. > > The clues may be in the Guy, Trevalian, or Woolfolk families. > > I have not done any research about this family and its' connections. > > I have been working in the Carolinas and Alabama/Mississippi. > > > > Ira > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- * For Freedom's Sake - Love God, Love America*

Have you looked for these names on the Land Patents list [newest patents first--even the 21st century] of the of the Library of Virginia website?  Google for Library of virginia.  (You will need some approximate dates for these fellows.)  There is an alpha index.  Go to the L's for Land Patents--and you want the title which includes *Northern Neck land records*.  The oldest patents will be at the very end--and be patient, as the Harris list is LONG.  The oldest counties are near the Atlantic, and as we took land away from the Indians, we then moved inward.  And the counties kept dividing, so don't e hung up on one county.  E.W.Wallace ________________________________ From: Anne Harris <amh504@yahoo.com> To: "harris-hunters@rootsweb.com" <harris-hunters@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 7:07 AM Subject: Re: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Major William Harris Does anyone know Who Major William Harris, son of Captain Harris married? Does anyone know who Major William Harris's son, Edward married and who his children were? To anyone who can help with this, thank you in advance Best Regards, Anne Harris amh504@yahoo.com >________________________________ > From: "boxerb@aol.com" <boxerb@aol.com> >To: harris-hunters@rootsweb.com >Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:59 PM >Subject: Re: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Major William Harris > > >I am not real swift on this DNA stuff but I am in group 8.    And I probably should have known this!!  My ancestor is George Sr of Warren Co KY. > >Thanks for the answer. > >Mary June > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ira Harris <barebear@insightbb.com> >To: harris-hunters <harris-hunters@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:28 pm >Subject: Re: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Major William Harris > > >No, this is Group 8 (Captain Thomas Harris) > >Group 6 is the line of Robert Harris of Ware Creek, New Kent County, Virginia > >Ira L. Harris III > >On Aug 29, 2012, at 5:55 PM, boxerb@aol.com wrote: > >> >> Is this group 6? >> >> Mary June >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lynda SoRelle <clsorelle@sbcglobal.net> >> To: Anne Harris <amh504@yahoo.com>; harris-hunters <harris-hunters@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:23 pm >> Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS]  Major William Harris >> >> >> Major William Harris left three children when he died,  Thomas, William and >> Edward. According to the following wills and deeds,  Thomas Harris died >without >> issue. >> Alice Harris, widow of Major William Harris, later married George Alves.  They > >> lived in New Kent and Hanover Co., VA where William and Edward  Harris, >younger >> sons of Major William, also lived in close association  with George Alves. The > >> descendants of William and Edward Harris of New Kent/Hanover Co. are Group 8 >in >> the Harris DNA project. >> >> >> From Adventurers of Purse and Person, 2nd edition 1964, p. 384 >> WILL OF MAJOR WILLIAM HARRIS >> Not knowing what the Lord hath ordained or at what tyme he may take out of >> this life, I doe settle my estate of lands as followeth: I give & bequeath to >> my sonne Thomas all my lands below the ware and to keep the ware run for his >> Bownes till it shall come to ye spring at ye hed & then to follow a bottom on >> ye lower side of the clearing of John Rabon, to the hundred roade path, and >> then on a straight roade or course to the land of Coll. Petter Ashbrooke, but >> in no case to cross pocketts' path; to my younger sonns Wm. & Edward Harris, >> I give the rest of my dividend, Wm. to have the plantation where I now live & >> Edward ye land next Ashbrooke. But Wm. to extend outwards one hundred yards >> beyond ye clearing of John Rabon on the path called pocketts' path & thence >> on a straight course to ye redd watter & Edward the Heds, vizdt: to Petter >> Ashbrooke's line as allsoe to ye Ashen swamp above, to them & their Heires; >> neyther to sell unless the one to ye other & if eyther die without ishew, the >> land to come to ye survivor; my two younger sons to live with their mother >> till ye age of sixteene, if shee marry; if not, till 19 years of age. My will >> is that my wife live on the plantation during her life but not to hinder my >> sonne Wm. at the head of ye Ware if he come for himself. I desyre my friends >> Mr. Thomas Cocke & Mr. Wm. Randolph to see this my will performed. In witness >> of every pte. >> hereof, I putt to my hand this 20th day of April, 1678. >> Signed Wm. Harris >> Signed in ye presence of Rich. Lygon ye mark of X >> Proved in Henrico County Court the first day of Feby., 1678/79 by the oath of >> Ann Steward, one of the witnesses to the will above written, >> and entered amongst the records of the sd. Court per. Wm. Randolph Cl. Cur. >> Henrico CountyRecords (Deeds & Wills) 1677-1692, p. 68 >> Ann Stuart >> >> Will of Thomas Harris dated Feb. 10, 1678/9, proved June 2, 1679. >> In the name of God, Amen, I, THOMAS HARRIS, being very ill and sicke and very >> weake, make this my last Will and Testament, being in sound mind and perfect >> memory. First I bequeath my soul to God who gave it, & my body to the earth >from >> >> whence it came. I give and bequeath unto my sister-in-law, Loue Harris, my >land >> at ye ware, according to the bounds sett in my father's will, to her and her >> heirs forever and give her as much power of the afores'd land as I myself had >in >> >> my lifetime. I give and bequeath unto my Cozen, Richard Lygon, all my horses, >> mares or folds y't can be found or to be said or proved to be mine to him and >> his heirs forever, they not being given by my Grandfather into the hands of >the >> overseers for the true and honest p'formance of this my last will. I have >> hereunto sett my hand and seale In the years of our Lord God, February the >10th, >> >> Anno 1678-9. Thomas Harris. >> Teste: Alice (X) Harris, Mary (X) Lygon, Junr. - : Richard Lygon. >> Proved in Henrico County Court the 2nd day of June, 1679, by the oath of Mrs. >> Mary Lygon, the younger. >> Tste: Wm. Randolph, Cl. Cur. And recorded , per W. Rid p'h. >> Henrico Co. Wills & Deeds 1677-92, pg 90-91 - Weisiger >> >> >> William Harris, son of Maj. William Harris, dec’d., for a tract of 250 acres, >> now conveyed to me by Hon. William Byrd, Esq., being that tract on south side >of >> >> James River called “The Ware,” given by Maj. Harris to his son Thomas Harris, >> Dec’d, and since escheated to His Majesty, sells to said Byrd a tract also on >> south side of James River, part of a tract Maj. Harris died seized of on Ware >> Run, 225 acres, 1 Oct. 1692. >> >> /s/ William Harris >> Wit: Wm. Soane, George Alves >> Rec: 1 Oct. 1692Henrico Co., VA Deed & Will Bk. 1688-1697, p. 347 - Weisiger >> >> >> >> Lynda Harris SoRelle >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Anne Harris <amh504@yahoo.com> >> To: EVELYN WALLACE <hdanw@verizon.net>; "harris-hunters@rootsweb.com" >> <harris-hunters@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tue, August 28, 2012 11:29:39 PM >> Subject: Re: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Some Edgecombe Co. NC Info >> >> Is there information on Major William Harris, son of Captain Thomas Harris as >to >> >> the names >> of his children and wife? >> >> >> Have a good day, >> Anne >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com > >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >> the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com >with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >the message > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com >with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >the message > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hopefully when this shows on list the puncuation will be ok...there should not be any question marks on page so if they appear it will represent quotation marks , brackets, parenthesis etc. I am the proven descendant of Williamson , the proven son of Howell. I only included text from the frames that had actual records on them and I did not include texts of all that was on the frames of account figures or the numerous pages of insolvents nor did I include the frames of the outside folds which only had suit identifier on it. Chancery Suit # 2 Southampton Co. Va. Chancery Papers Dated 1830 This suit may be found on Southampton Co. Va. Chancery Causes Library of Va. Microfilm # 421 starting frame #484 which is the frame of the folder suit is in. This second chancery suit was filed by the heirs of Lewis Harris deceased against Lewis Harris , the son of deceased Joel Harris, as the administrator of his Uncle Lewis’s estate. This cause was filed after Lewis did not pay them their share of the estate as decreed by the court in the first suit. The sum of which amounted to over $11,000.00. He claimed he had held the estate before the first suit by reasoning the estate might not be sufficient to pay the debts. He had already sold the perishable estate and hired out the slaves by the time the rest of the heirs had filed the 1st suit, around 2 years after Lewis , the elder, died. While it is identified in Microfilm records on cover folder as 1830 , the first papers entered Aug 1829 are the copied list of complainants and reads the same as the 1st suit until the second page where for a space of 6 inches or so there are wavy lines to separate the names from the text that is found at the bottom of the page . There must have been attachments of exhibits as they are mentioned, order of admin. and 1st decree. Pages were microfilmed with some out of sequence in part due to folds and also perhaps pages not in order when folded . The pages are usually microfilmed in the order as first unfolded. The papers were often folded and on the outside was written the info of those particular papers and then after settlement all the different orders, decrees etc. were folded together. the cover in which the entire 2nd suit , was folded and filed in states : 1831 June decreed as for (smudge) filed (possibly the date filed after final decree or settlement) Note: Lewis SR. and JR. are used in 2nd suit, however, we know that Lewis Harris who had died and left estate now in chancery was” unmarried and without issue” per 1st suit and this one. Therefore he is not technically Sr. and Lewis Jr. admr. is actually referred to as “his nephew” on more than one occasion in the 2nd suit. Once on frame # 487 8th line from the bottom of the page and again on frame # 492 8th line from top of page when all are noted as being “nephews and nieces of the intestate”. He also got his part(refer to 1st suit in which he is noted as being “as well as in his own right heir” or similar wording) Since Lewis (Jr.) admn. is actually the son of Joel , the brother of the deceased Lewis(see first suit), he is not a Jr. at all. This was only used in the 2nd suit to distinguish the two apart. Some pages have repeats of the same thing but in different handwriting and are a part of different documents. The original suit had estimate of 40 heirs but some knowledge had been gained of Suckey Rick’s children by the time of Cobb’s decree. The decree has a number of names repeated , others left out at times but included in next line etc. due to Mr. Cobb or his clerk‘s error when writing Frames 486, 487 The first page has same exact names copied obviously from first suit‘s decree ,which has been already sent to list, but written more neatly, the names extend to the top of the second page Frame 487 then About 6 inches or more of wavy lines without text Presumably this was to indicate between the list of heirs/ complainants and where the "exhibits" mentioned below would be, however none were with papers Followed by this text: That Lewis Harris (noted Sr here) late of the county departed this life posesed(sic) of a considerable personal estate--that he was unmarried & without issue--that admin. Of his estate was granted TO HIS NEPHEW Lewis Harris Junior ---as will appear by an attested copy of his letters of adms. Herewith exhibited as a part of this bill. --that your Complts, in their respective rights as above set forth.,AND the said Lewis Harris junr are the next of kin of the said dec’d and as such entitled to distribution of his estate--that they believe the said adm Lewis Harris stl(settled) the debts due from the s’d decedent and hath in his hand asets (sic) to a considerable amount for distribution.---that as yet no account of his adms has been rendered nor can he be compelled without the aid of this worshipful court, sitting in equity---In tender consideration whereof and for as much as your Complts are remediles at law and only releivable (sic) in equity. To the end that the said Lewis Harris as adm of the said Lewis Harris Sen dec’d may be made report hereto and compelled to answer the allegations hereof, they pray the Commonwealth’s writ of Sp Directed be odr (ordered) that your worships will compel the said Lewis Harris to render an account of the asetts(sic) which have come to his hands, as adm of the said decedent and pay to yor Complts , their respective portions of the balance which may appear to be due thereon and grant them such other and general relief as may be consistent with equity and good conscious and as in duty bound, they will ever pray. The answer of Lewis Harris adm of Lewis Harris Snr dec’d to the foregoing bill of complaint--this respondent serving odr(order) for answer hereto says that he admits the allegations of the pltffs bill and has no objection to rendering an acct of his adms and to the payment to the pltffs of their respective portions of the balance which may be found due on them executing refunding bond & as the law directs --& having answered he begs to be hence dismissed END Frame 488: Harris and others ………………………………........Pltffs Against In Chancery Lewis Harris adm. ……………………………….....Defnt This cause was this day docketed by consent of parties with the asent(sic) of the court and come on to be heard on the bill, answer & exhibits on consideration whereof the court doth adjudge order and decree that the Defnt Lewis Harris do render before M. Comm. Cobb an acct of his adm of the said decedent’s estate, who will audit estate and settle the same ^and make report thereof to Court with any matters previously stated which he may deem pertinent or which either of the parties my desire to be so stated. **M. Comm Cobb shown later as Master Commission Cobb Harris & et vs. Co. Decree Harris’s adm Master Com. Cobb Frame 490, 491 with date 1829 Southampton August Court 1829 Gideon Harris, Polly Harris, William Felts and Priscilla his wife late Harris, Joel Harris, Howell Harris, Henry Harris, James Harris, & John Grizzard and Sally his wife late Sally Harris , which s’d Gideon, Polly, Priscilla, Joel, Howell, Henry, James, Sally and Lewis herein named defendant are the children and heirs of Joel Harris dec’d. William Harris , infant and only child of Hamlin Harris dec’d by the said Howell Harris, son of Joel, his next friend . Williamson Harris, _____Ferrell and Silvia his wife late Harris and Henry Harris which said Williamson , Silvia, Prisicilla(left out of above line) and Henry are the children and heirs of Howell Harris dec’d--Polly Harris , Rebecca Harris, Joel Harris and Cofield Harris which said Polly , Rebecca, Joel & Cofield are the children and heirs of Randolph Harris dec’d-- Howell Harris, John Tilman & Betsy his wife late Harris, William Roberston and Nancy his wife late Harris, Henry W. Williams and Sally his wife late Harris, which said Howel, Betsey, Nancy and Sally are the children and heirs of John Harris dec’d--John Christian and Fady his wife late Harris, Wm Green and Jincy his wife late Harris , Grigsby Rush and Priscilla his wife late Harris, Howell Harris, James Harris, Joshua Harris, Henry Harris and Betsy his wife late Green,, Olive Green, John McLoed and Fady his wife late Green______Shamwell and Nancy his wife later Green which said Betsy, Olive, Fady and Nancy are the children and heirs of Nancy wife of Robert Green now deceased who was Nancy Harris and ______children and heirs of Sally the dec’d wife of Nathan Horn who was Sally Harris the names and number of her children being unknown , which said Fady Christian , Nancy Green dec’d, Jincy , Priscilla, Sally, Howell, James and Joshua were the only children and heirs of Olive wife of Joshua Harris dec’d Harris Reese, Redmond Reese, John Reese, rivers Reese, Howell Reese, Charity Reese, Arthur Adams & Betsy his wife & Sally and Norflet Ivey, infant children and heirs of Polly Ivey who was Polly Reese by George Ivey their next friend which said Harris, Redmond, John, Rivers, Howell, Charity, Betsey & Polly were the children and heirs of Sally Reese dec’d formerly Sally Harris Joel McLemore and Burwell McLemore children and heirs of Lucy McLemore who was Lucy Harris ______________________________children and heirs of Suckey Ricks dec’d who was Suckey Harris whose names and number as yet are unknown….Plaintiffs Against In Chancery Lewis Harris admr of Lewis Harris Senr dec’d Defendant This cause was this day docketed by consent of parties with the asent(sic) of the Court and came on to be heard on the bill , answer and exhibits on consideration whereof the Court doth adjudge order and decree that the Defendant Lewis Harris do render before Master Commissioner Cobb and account of his administration of the decedents estate who will audit estate & settle the same and make report whereof to the Court with any matter specifically stated deemed pertinent by himself or which either of the parties may desire to be so stated.(repeat of frame 488 but very different handwriting) A Copy Teste/ L. R. Edwards DC Commrs Office Jerusalem Nov 11th 1829 END In the body of decree I will seperate each family for easier reading even though they are running together in original. Note starting with John Christian , these will be the children and grandchildren of Olive Harris...there were 2 insertions above other lines that I have noted in their family group. Decree reads as below: The report made by Master Com Cobb agreeably to the decretal order heretofore pronounced on this cause having been made more than two months & no exception being taken thereto the Comm seeing no error therein doth adjudge , order, and decree The balance due the estate of Lewis Harris dec’d amounting to $11739.63 (marked out) be divided into 45 equal parts. That being the number of NIECES AND NEPHEWS of the intestate to clect(collect) .. Gideon Harris , Polly Harris, Priscilla Harris who intermarried with William Felts, Joel Harris, Lewis Harris, Howell Harris, Henry Harris, James Harris and Sally who intermarried with John Grizzard, who are children of Joel Harris dec’d to each the sum of $268.88 as their proportion to carry interest thereon from Dec. 24, 1829... William Harris son of Hamlin Harris decd his proportion is $268.88 with interest thereon from Dec. 24th 1829 till paid … Williamson Harris, Sylvia who intermarried with ___Ferrel and Priscilla who intermarried with ___Ferrell and Henry Harris and ___wife of___ children of Howell Harris decd their proportions each the sum of $268.88 with interest thereon from Dec. 24th 1829 till paid… (the blank behind Henry is probably space left by Cobb for deceased Phebe in case of heirs. There were none.) Polly Harris , Rebecca Harris, Joel Harris & Cofield Harris children of Randolph Harris decd each the sum of $268.88 with interest thereon from Dec 24th 1829 till paid, Jno. Christian & Fady his wife , William Green and and Jincy his wife, Grigsby Rush and Priscilla ( inserted) to each the sum of $268.88 with int thereon from Dec. 24th 1829 his wife, Howel Harris, James Harris, Joshua Harris^ and Nancy who was the wife of Robert Green who died & left Betsy who intermarried with Jno McLoed and Nancy who intermarried with __Shamwell which said Jno Christian and Fady his wife, Wm Green and Jincy his wife, Grisby Rush & Priscilla (sic) his wife, Howel Harris , James Harris, Joshua Harris are the children of Olive Harris wife of Josh and Besty wife of Henry, Olive Green , Fady the wife of Jno Mcloed and Nancy the wife of ___Shamwell are the children of Nancy Green wife of Robt Green now dec’d who was Nancy Harris to each the sum of $65.22 with now decd interest thereon from Dec. 24the 1829 till paid and to Sally ^ who intermarried with Nathan Horn late Harris who was one of the children of the said Olive Harris decd & who left children whose number & and names are unknown the sume of $268.88 to be equally divided between them… (These are the children and grandchildren of Olive Harris) To Howell Harris , Jno Tilman & Betsey his wife late Harris , Wm H Robertson and Nancy his wife late Harris , Henry W. Williams and Sally his wife late (should say Harris) who are the children of John Harris decd to each of them the sum of $268.88 with interest thereon from Dec. 24th 1829 till paid… To Harris Reese, Redmond Reese , Jno Reese, Rivers Reese, Howell Reese, Charity Reese, Arthur Adams and Betsy his wife late Reese who are the children of Sally Reese late Harris now decd & who intermarried with Rivers** Reese, to each of them the sum of $260.88 with int there from Dec 31 1829 till paid and to Sally Ivy & Norfeet Ivy children of Polly Ivy now decd late Reese who was also a child of ^said Sally Reese dec’d to each of them the sum of $138.44 with interest thereon from Dec 24th 1829 till paid___ (Think clerks error on Dec 31 all others are Dec. 24) To Joel McLemore and Burwell Mclemore who are the children of Lucy McLemore late Harris now dec'd , the sum of $260.88 each with Int thereon from Dec. 24th 1829 til paid Suckey Ricks now decd left 4 children one of whom has since died & left heirs , to each of her three living children (whose names are unknown) the sum of $260.88 and to the heirs of the dec’d one collectively the sum of $260.00 with interest thereon from the 24th Dec 1829 till paid deducting from the said sum of $11,739. 63/100 the costs of this suit Then a clerk error is XXXX’d out,clearly visible,it refers to Cobb making his report and his signature But the said parties respectively are not to have the benefit of this decree until they shall have respectively executed their bond , to the said Adm. Conditioned to refund to him according to Law-- END (Obviously Lewis wanted his costs & suit costs from them to get what was rightfully theirs in the 1st place) frame #494 reads: Lewis Harris Admr of Lewis Harris dec’d Comrs.Report Filed Febry 15/1830 Frames 495 - 498 are the reports of accounts paid and accounts received of the estate ,audited by Cobb, most of which appears to be amounts received at sale ..Howell Harris (probably son of Joel and brother to the admin.)was the clerk for the sale . Cobb’s charge of $13.00 is on frame #497 Lewis Harris died in 1826 but the accounts must have been done after original order as it starts with date of 1827 then 1829 items and then 1828 and after that more 1828 accounts ..so the dates of accounting are definitely not in sequence There was $160.33 cash found in house , this was the first item noted, a year after Lewis died. The final accounting also lists a payment to Geo. M Gray Dec 1827 for a survey fee…this is a survey of a portion of Lewis Harris Jr. land as the survey for 307 ½ acres is recorded in Procession Book p. 35 with plat and was done Dec. 1827 --below that are 2 other surveys done for others and signed by Gray. The survey would have been under the name of the owner on record of the property who had been known as Lewis Jr. before 1802/03 in Southampton records. The day in Dec. is blank and Gray did not sign as he did the others but the date for pmt., from the estate, was Dec 4, 1827 for $12.07...with rect(receipt) The chain bearers were also paid for chain carrying ..they received $1.00 each. His “shrouding clothes” were paid for as well as his coffin and then follows a list of persons paid and expenses. The next page continues much the same with perhaps a jumble of paids mixed in with receivables. The sales that are due the estate follow next in Dec. 1828..some of which appears due by 1829 and are listed under the acct. paid out for some reason Clerk may have been a little too lavish with his “ “ (dittos). The rest of expenses are on this page. After the debts owed are the amounts that came to the estate and these start with date of Dec.1829 so apparently no money had come to estate until then which is about 3 years after Lewis died. After debts were paid and all that could be collected was received from others the bal. in the estate was $11,739.63 to be distributed. Frames #498- 501 can be found the list of insolvents who owed the estate. By my quick addition the estate was owed over 200pd. (sterling S used in front of amounts which included shillings and pence) and over $200.00 with $ sign used . The oldest that I noticed was from the 1780’s..this was quite a large sum of money for those days!! It might be best to copy and paste each segment seperately for better reading. Hope this helps someone Mary