Thought I would interject some info about my line to see if anyone has information and/or suggestions that could help me in my research. I have hit the proverbial brick wall with my great-great grandfather George Washington Harris, born 1818 in Waynesboro, Augusta County, VA. I located an older brother for George, Alambert W. Harris, born 1816 also in Wayneboro, Augusta County, VA. No parents have been found for these two ancestors of mine. I found these two brothers in Indiana in the mid-1800s where they both married and subsequently relocated to Southern Illinois where they settled. None of the census, marriage documents or death records I have found provide information regarding the parents of these two people other than that they were born in Virginia. George W. Harris married Louisa (Humphrey) Allsop (sic), a widow with two children. His children three were named Thomas Louis, Commodore Perry and Katherine. Alambert W. Harris married Eliza Blake. His known children were Walter and Sarah. Thomas Louis Harris never married (served in Civil War). Commodore Perry Harris married Parasidia Stacy. Their children were Amy Leslie, Annie, Lorenzo, William Tecumseh, Bertha Frances, Jessie, Esther, and Walter and May. Amy Leslie Harris married George B. Aldridge. Their children were Florence May, Agnes Augusta, John Perry, Hazel Estelle, Thomas Owen and Paul Beason. My mother is Agnes Augusta (Aldridge) Modglin. I always wondered where the Augusta in her name came from until I discovered the birthplace of her great grandfather. George W. Harris died in 1901, two years after my mother was born in 1899. I am wondering if my line possibly may have been connected with the Agnes McCord Harris line. I have been unable to discover any credible link to any other group of Harrises, and my line "daughtered" out a couple of generations ago. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I am 81 years old and probably don't have a lot of time left to solve this mystery. P.J.Rendleman

BLM Search ; http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/search/default.aspx Wife of William Harris No Birth Date HARRIS Martha Aug 5, 1880 April 01, 1919 HARRIS Orville Olland Apr 28, 1875 Mar 29, 1882 Son of W. & E. S. Harris HARRIS William F. Nov 4, 1840 December 23, 1921 Son of Elijah & Eliza Harris Born in Tennessee FREEDOM CEMETERY, MERCER COUNTY, MO HARRIS Ella M. 1871 1940 Same stone with Greenbury Harris Leon O Kearns Sec Shelby County Missouri Historical Society Charter Member Daviess Co Mo Genealogy Society Click on surname for photo of stone. HARRIS Greenbury 1871 1962 Same stone with Ella Harris EARLY CEMETERY, MERCER COUNTY, MO HARRIS C. L. 1833 1908 HARRIS Ralph D. 1927 1993 Marriages Grundy Co MO. George L Harris Ellen Cooper Nov 28 1848 Greenberry Harris Malinda Weldon jun 12 1842 Richmond Harris Manda Weldon Jul 24 1845 Charlotte Harris Robert Stephens Dec 31 1849 GGGgraandfather John Harris b. Jan 27 1790, d. Dec 17 1877 Macon Co MO. Married Amy McGhee in Washington Co VA. Leon O Kearns Sec Shelby County Missouri Historical Society Charter Member Daviess Co Mo Genealogy Society

Thank you Ms. Wallace.  I have Bennett, Bailey and Parks used as "unusual" given names through my line of Allen Bailey Harris.  I had thought the Bennett may have come from the attorney in Savannah Georgia but have no proof or reason.  I have not been able to find a significance of Bailey either.  I recently had thought Bailey (term for an English jail keeper) might be a nickname as well as Marshall for his brother, from their attendance at Richmond Military Academy.  This new info is a new line of thought me as to their source and I appreciate it.  My research is not as sophisticated as yours (and others) but I have found good info through associations.  Initially, years ago, I had thought I was from their (Chris & Agnes) line because of naming, but no Christophers or Agnes's in my line that I have found so I had abandoned that line of thought.  Maybe I need to re-look. Thanks for sharing Sam Harris Grp 6 #179994 ________________________________ From: EVELYN WALLACE <hdanw@verizon.net> To: Harris Hunters <Harris-Hunters@rootsweb.com>; l <MADKY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 6:46 PM Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Some Notes on Agnes McCord - 2nd wife of Christopher Harris of Madison Co., KY Since Agnes McCord was the biological mother of a good many Harris children of early Madison Co, KY, I thought I would share some of my research.  Excerpts from the Albemarle records as abstracted by the Antient Press have not been explored to any great extent.  E.W.Wallace      AGNES McCORD.  WIR00052.  Agnes McCord was the second wife of Christopher Harris, of Albemarle Co., VA, later of Madison Co., KY.  They are believed to have been married in 1760, as their oldest son, Benjamin, is said to have been born 28 Nov 1760.  This information may need some "adjustment."        Thus, Agnes was probably at least age 14-18 at time of marriage.   However, preliminary research of Albemarle Co. deed indexes indicates that as late as 1768, Agnes may have been a single woman, but that by 1772, she was married to Harris.  However, Scottish women frequently kept their maiden names, and that may be the reason for her appearing in deed books as Agnes McCord, particularly when being ceded land by a brother.      As seen from the deed entry in Albemarle Co., in  late 1760, Agnes McCord seems to have been a single woman, not yet married to Christopher Harris. (His first wife was reportedly Mary Dabney.  The fact that Christopher's eldest child was named Dabney Harris, as named in his will, tends to bear out this tradition.)      "DB 2, Page 294: 14 Aug 1760  Wm. McCord, Par. of St. Ann, Albemarle Co., to sister, Agnes McCord - love and 5 sh. 174 acres both sides Moorman River near Blue Ledge.  Pat to Jas. McCord, dec'd."/s/ William McCord.  [No. wit.]  (1) (2) The following land patent to an Albemarle Co. neighbor seems to indicate Agnes in 1766 may still have been unmarried, although Scottish women generally retain their maiden names, even though married: A 1766 patent to Mosias Jones refer to the lines of John McCord, Sr. and Agness McCord, thus: Patent Book No. 36:  Mosias Jones, 90 acs. Albemarle Co. on both sides of Moreman's Riv., adj John McCord & Agness McCord; 10 Jul 1766, p. 940.  10 shill. (Dennis Ray Hudgins, ed., CAVALIERS AND PIONEERS, Vol. VII [Richmond:  Virginia Genealogical Society, 1999], p. 95)  Indexes of Albemarle Co. deeds examined 11/97 indicate that by 1771/1772, Agnes had married Christopher Harris, as their names appear in Deed Bk 5 (Jan Ct 1771-Aug Ct 1772).  More study is needed.      Recorded in Augusta Co., VA, Deed Bk 22-397:      17 Nov 1778  Christopher Harris and Agnes of Albemarle to John Collins.  Delivered:  Thos. Turk, Aug 1779.     (Lyman Chalkley in CHRONICLES OF THE SCOTTISH-IRISH SETTLEMENT IN VIRGINIA, V. 3; Chalkley also  indicates that Deed Bk 22, p. 395, Augusta Co., VA had a deed executed by Christopher Harris and Agness (--) 17 Nov 1778, but details were not given.)      Agnes died in Madison Co., KY prior to Aug 1815, when the court commissioners settled with her administrators   Her younger son Overton Harris (writer's ancestor) and a son-in-law John Bennett were administrators.      DB... [omitted by Madison Co. genealogist], p. 244:  "Pursuant to an order of the County Court of Madison to us directed to settle with Overton Harris and John Bennett Administrators of the Estate of Agnes Harris Deceased we the undersigned Commissioners being first sworne do settle with the administrators and Report as followoers [sic] (to wit)  To amount of sale Bill as C Report of Adm           $1,979.14 McCords of Madison Co., KY      Some of the McCords went to Madison Co., KY, but their relationship to Agnes is unknown.  David McCord was grantee, Robert Burton, grantor. DB C-244. 1 Apr 1794, 100 A Otter Cr.     From Madison Co., KY DB Index:  Agnes Harris, grantor; Jesse Winburn, grantee; Comr. Deed, 6 Jun 1815, K-564, 21 1/2 A. Otter Cr. (Commissioner's deeds in Kentucky generally had to do with inherited land.  Who is Jesse Winburn?   How is he related to the Mcord and/or Harris family?) Origins of McCord Family      The origins of the McCord family are unknown.  They may have been Scotch-Irish from Pennsylvania who migrated down the Shenandoah Valley.  Since a land transaction by Christopher Harris and his wife Agnes was recorded in Augusta Co., VA, search for McCords in that county was made. An Andrew McCord was a witness to a deed dated 1749, William Beverley grantor to Wiliam Robinson, grantee, 380 A in Beverley Manor, corner Robert Ramsey, patent line; corner Patrick Hays.  Other witnesses were William Robison and Andrew Duncan, suggesting that all may have been of Scotch-Irish descent. A James McCord was a witness to Augusta Co., DB 4:264; James McKown was grantor, and Francis McKown was grantee.  It was for 400 A on a Timber Ride on North Branch of James.       [Book not noted] page 264 18th June 1763.  Joseph McCord's estate appraised, by Robert Erwin, Nathanl. Davis, Jno. Gilmer--John McCord's, Jr. note; Benj. McCord's note; William Little's note; Robt. Miller's note; Thos. Grubbs' note; Wm. McCord's note.  Cash, Mary Brown, debtor, Elizabeth Woods, Dr. Jno Scott, dr.      In this document are listed a number of males by the name McCord; they have the same names as the sons of John McCord [Sr.], as named in his will: Benjamin, William, and John.  Grubbs family was associated with the Harris family, at least in Kentucky. Kentucky Residence      Agnes Harris (widow by that time) appeared in the 1810 census of Madison Co., KY:  Males: 16-26: 3.  45 & over: 2. Females:  26-45: 1.  45 & over: 1.  Other:  1. Slaves:  10.      Document of Agnes McCord  1 Jul 1794, Madison Co., KY  (DB C-186 1 July 1794 -FHL film 183,284)      "Know all men by these [sic] that I Agnes Harris of the County of Madison and State of Kentucky [illegible but probably executrix] to the last will and Testament of Christopher Harris Deceased for Divers good causes and considerations me hereunto moving have appointed John Harris of the County of Albermarle [sic], and state of Virginia, my true and lawfull attorney for me and my heirs to Take all Lawfull ways and means whatsoever to carry into full & ample execution, the will of the said Christvr Harris Deceased, according to the true Intent and Meaning of said will in as full and as single a manner as if I myself was personally present hereby Ratifying and confirming whatever my said attorney may legally do by virtue of these presents, In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my seal this first day of July 1794.  /s./ Agnes Harris /LS/ Robert Tivis [sic] Edwad Statestate [?[ Robert Tevis Edward S...state (FHL film 183284) (From Madison Co. DB C-186, film no. SLC 183,284]       Agnes died prior to August. 1814.  Madison Co., KY. Wills, 1814:      At a court continued and held for Madison County on the 3rd day of Augt. 1814.  This inventory and appraisment of the estate of Agnis Harris decd was returned and ordered to be recorded and the said has been done.      (s) Will. Irvine, clk.      Will Bk -- p. 244      Pursuant to an order of the County Court of Madison to us directed to settle with Overton Harris and John Bennett, Administrators of the Estate of Agness Harris deceased we the undersigned commissioners being first sworne do settle with the administrators and report as followers [sic] to wit      To amount of sale Bill as C Report of Adm              $1979.14 Page 245      By cash due Overton Harris on previous account       290      By Keley Receipt as cryer at sale                                 4      By Butler & Searcy Receipt for Coffin                            2      By Clerks fee Bill                                                        1.70 1/2      By Jas Nicholas Receipt apraisor                                  1      By Wm. Carr Receipt for smith's work                           10.50      By Richardson Receipt as clerk to the sale                     2      By Whiskey Drank at Sale                                           10      By B. Milner's Receipt for Nicking horse                         8      By tax and leavy to be collected in 1815                         8.50      By Overton Harris charges for servses [sic] as Administrator, Collecting, and paying away $1979.14 at 5 percent              98.95      By cash paid to commissioners at $1.50 each                    4.50      By clerks fee Bill                                                              .50          -------      Ballance due the estate by administrators                    441.65.42      -----------      As witness our hands and seal this 8th day August      R. A. Sturgus (?) (seal)      Humphrey Jones (seal)      William Stone (seal)      At a court held for Madison County on Monday the 6th day of May 1816      This settlement with John Bennett and Overton Harris administrators of Agness Harris deceased was returned and ordered to be recorded.      Test Will Irvine Lack of Information on McCord Ancestry      There is no information in the various attempted genealogies of the Harris family of Albemarle Co. and of early Kentucky on the family of Agnes McCord. Perhaps she was not "of the proper class."  However, we learn from Augusta Co. VA Will Book 3 that other McCords were in Albemarle Co. ca. 1762, and others were in Augusta Co. from 1749.  Perhaps they migrated there from Pennsylvania.  Apparently they were Presbyterians.  Refer to biography of John McCord [Sr.].      Some of the McCords found in Lyman Chalkley's CHRONICLES OF THE SCOTCH-IRISH SETTLEMENTS IN VIRGINIA are as follows.  All were located in Augusta Co. unless the contrary is indicated:      Martha McCord - deceased by 27 Feb 1749      James McCord, orphan of Wm. McCord - 1750.  Later in the year James was of age (age 14 generally) to choose his own guardian.      Sarah McCord's nuncupative will.  Sister Mary; brother Adam.      Joseph McCord's will, 25 Nov 1762.  Wife Mary.  Brother John. Mentions land near Moorman's River in Albemarle Co., where the Harrises also held land.      Joseph McCord's estate - 18 Jun 1763; John McCord Jr.'s note; John McCord Sr.'s note; Benj. McCord's note; Adam McCord & James McCord's note. Wm. McCord's note; Thomas Grubbs note.  [Grubbs is a family with whom the Harris family intermarried; perhaps the McCords had also intermarried with the Grubbs family.] ....      (1)  Rev. Bailey Fulton Davis, THE DEEDS OF AMHERST COUNTY, VIRGINIA, 1761-1807 and ALBEMARLE COUNTY, VIRGINIA, 1748-1763 [Amherst, VA, 1970] LAFHC 975.5482 P2a)      (2)  Blue Ledge may be the same as Blue Ridge, found in patent to Robert Harris, the father of Christopher Harris:      6 Dec 1753 - Patent to Robert Harris on Blue Ridge, Doyle River      Another patent was made to Robert Harris 15 Sep 1752.      (3)  Lyman Chalkley, CHRONICLES OF THE SCOTCH IRISH SETTLEMENT IN VIRGINIA, 1989 reprint of 1912 ed.) , ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Since Agnes McCord was the biological mother of a good many Harris children of early Madison Co, KY, I thought I would share some of my research.  Excerpts from the Albemarle records as abstracted by the Antient Press have not been explored to any great extent.  E.W.Wallace      AGNES McCORD.  WIR00052.  Agnes McCord was the second wife of Christopher Harris, of Albemarle Co., VA, later of Madison Co., KY.  They are believed to have been married in 1760, as their oldest son, Benjamin, is said to have been born 28 Nov 1760.  This information may need some "adjustment."        Thus, Agnes was probably at least age 14-18 at time of marriage.   However, preliminary research of Albemarle Co. deed indexes indicates that as late as 1768, Agnes may have been a single woman, but that by 1772, she was married to Harris.  However, Scottish women frequently kept their maiden names, and that may be the reason for her appearing in deed books as Agnes McCord, particularly when being ceded land by a brother.      As seen from the deed entry in Albemarle Co., in  late 1760, Agnes McCord seems to have been a single woman, not yet married to Christopher Harris. (His first wife was reportedly Mary Dabney.  The fact that Christopher's eldest child was named Dabney Harris, as named in his will, tends to bear out this tradition.)      "DB 2, Page 294: 14 Aug 1760  Wm. McCord, Par. of St. Ann, Albemarle Co., to sister, Agnes McCord - love and 5 sh. 174 acres both sides Moorman River near Blue Ledge.  Pat to Jas. McCord, dec'd."/s/ William McCord.  [No. wit.]  (1) (2) The following land patent to an Albemarle Co. neighbor seems to indicate Agnes in 1766 may still have been unmarried, although Scottish women generally retain their maiden names, even though married: A 1766 patent to Mosias Jones refer to the lines of John McCord, Sr. and Agness McCord, thus: Patent Book No. 36:  Mosias Jones, 90 acs. Albemarle Co. on both sides of Moreman's Riv., adj John McCord & Agness McCord; 10 Jul 1766, p. 940.  10 shill. (Dennis Ray Hudgins, ed., CAVALIERS AND PIONEERS, Vol. VII [Richmond:  Virginia Genealogical Society, 1999], p. 95)  Indexes of Albemarle Co. deeds examined 11/97 indicate that by 1771/1772, Agnes had married Christopher Harris, as their names appear in Deed Bk 5 (Jan Ct 1771-Aug Ct 1772).  More study is needed.      Recorded in Augusta Co., VA, Deed Bk 22-397:      17 Nov 1778  Christopher Harris and Agnes of Albemarle to John Collins.  Delivered:  Thos. Turk, Aug 1779.     (Lyman Chalkley in CHRONICLES OF THE SCOTTISH-IRISH SETTLEMENT IN VIRGINIA, V. 3; Chalkley also  indicates that Deed Bk 22, p. 395, Augusta Co., VA had a deed executed by Christopher Harris and Agness (--) 17 Nov 1778, but details were not given.)      Agnes died in Madison Co., KY prior to Aug 1815, when the court commissioners settled with her administrators   Her younger son Overton Harris (writer's ancestor) and a son-in-law John Bennett were administrators.      DB... [omitted by Madison Co. genealogist], p. 244:  "Pursuant to an order of the County Court of Madison to us directed to settle with Overton Harris and John Bennett Administrators of the Estate of Agnes Harris Deceased we the undersigned Commissioners being first sworne do settle with the administrators and Report as followoers [sic] (to wit)  To amount of sale Bill as C Report of Adm           $1,979.14 McCords of Madison Co., KY      Some of the McCords went to Madison Co., KY, but their relationship to Agnes is unknown.  David McCord was grantee, Robert Burton, grantor. DB C-244. 1 Apr 1794, 100 A Otter Cr.     From Madison Co., KY DB Index:  Agnes Harris, grantor; Jesse Winburn, grantee; Comr. Deed, 6 Jun 1815, K-564, 21 1/2 A. Otter Cr. (Commissioner's deeds in Kentucky generally had to do with inherited land.  Who is Jesse Winburn?   How is he related to the Mcord and/or Harris family?) Origins of McCord Family      The origins of the McCord family are unknown.  They may have been Scotch-Irish from Pennsylvania who migrated down the Shenandoah Valley.  Since a land transaction by Christopher Harris and his wife Agnes was recorded in Augusta Co., VA, search for McCords in that county was made. An Andrew McCord was a witness to a deed dated 1749, William Beverley grantor to Wiliam Robinson, grantee, 380 A in Beverley Manor, corner Robert Ramsey, patent line; corner Patrick Hays.  Other witnesses were William Robison and Andrew Duncan, suggesting that all may have been of Scotch-Irish descent. A James McCord was a witness to Augusta Co., DB 4:264; James McKown was grantor, and Francis McKown was grantee.  It was for 400 A on a Timber Ride on North Branch of James.       [Book not noted] page 264 18th June 1763.  Joseph McCord's estate appraised, by Robert Erwin, Nathanl. Davis, Jno. Gilmer--John McCord's, Jr. note; Benj. McCord's note; William Little's note; Robt. Miller's note; Thos. Grubbs' note; Wm. McCord's note.  Cash, Mary Brown, debtor, Elizabeth Woods, Dr. Jno Scott, dr.      In this document are listed a number of males by the name McCord; they have the same names as the sons of John McCord [Sr.], as named in his will: Benjamin, William, and John.  Grubbs family was associated with the Harris family, at least in Kentucky. Kentucky Residence      Agnes Harris (widow by that time) appeared in the 1810 census of Madison Co., KY:  Males: 16-26: 3.  45 & over: 2. Females:  26-45: 1.  45 & over: 1.  Other:  1. Slaves:  10.      Document of Agnes McCord  1 Jul 1794, Madison Co., KY  (DB C-186 1 July 1794 -FHL film 183,284)      "Know all men by these [sic] that I Agnes Harris of the County of Madison and State of Kentucky [illegible but probably executrix] to the last will and Testament of Christopher Harris Deceased for Divers good causes and considerations me hereunto moving have appointed John Harris of the County of Albermarle [sic], and state of Virginia, my true and lawfull attorney for me and my heirs to Take all Lawfull ways and means whatsoever to carry into full & ample execution, the will of the said Christvr Harris Deceased, according to the true Intent and Meaning of said will in as full and as single a manner as if I myself was personally present hereby Ratifying and confirming whatever my said attorney may legally do by virtue of these presents, In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my seal this first day of July 1794.  /s./ Agnes Harris /LS/ Robert Tivis [sic] Edwad Statestate [?[ Robert Tevis Edward S...state (FHL film 183284) (From Madison Co. DB C-186, film no. SLC 183,284]       Agnes died prior to August. 1814.  Madison Co., KY. Wills, 1814:      At a court continued and held for Madison County on the 3rd day of Augt. 1814.  This inventory and appraisment of the estate of Agnis Harris decd was returned and ordered to be recorded and the said has been done.      (s) Will. Irvine, clk.      Will Bk -- p. 244      Pursuant to an order of the County Court of Madison to us directed to settle with Overton Harris and John Bennett, Administrators of the Estate of Agness Harris deceased we the undersigned commissioners being first sworne do settle with the administrators and report as followers [sic] to wit      To amount of sale Bill as C Report of Adm              $1979.14 Page 245      By cash due Overton Harris on previous account       290      By Keley Receipt as cryer at sale                                 4      By Butler & Searcy Receipt for Coffin                            2      By Clerks fee Bill                                                        1.70 1/2      By Jas Nicholas Receipt apraisor                                  1      By Wm. Carr Receipt for smith's work                           10.50      By Richardson Receipt as clerk to the sale                     2      By Whiskey Drank at Sale                                           10      By B. Milner's Receipt for Nicking horse                         8      By tax and leavy to be collected in 1815                         8.50      By Overton Harris charges for servses [sic] as Administrator, Collecting, and paying away $1979.14 at 5 percent              98.95      By cash paid to commissioners at $1.50 each                    4.50      By clerks fee Bill                                                              .50          -------      Ballance due the estate by administrators                    441.65.42      -----------      As witness our hands and seal this 8th day August      R. A. Sturgus (?) (seal)      Humphrey Jones (seal)      William Stone (seal)      At a court held for Madison County on Monday the 6th day of May 1816      This settlement with John Bennett and Overton Harris administrators of Agness Harris deceased was returned and ordered to be recorded.      Test Will Irvine Lack of Information on McCord Ancestry      There is no information in the various attempted genealogies of the Harris family of Albemarle Co. and of early Kentucky on the family of Agnes McCord. Perhaps she was not "of the proper class."  However, we learn from Augusta Co. VA Will Book 3 that other McCords were in Albemarle Co. ca. 1762, and others were in Augusta Co. from 1749.  Perhaps they migrated there from Pennsylvania.  Apparently they were Presbyterians.  Refer to biography of John McCord [Sr.].      Some of the McCords found in Lyman Chalkley's CHRONICLES OF THE SCOTCH-IRISH SETTLEMENTS IN VIRGINIA are as follows.  All were located in Augusta Co. unless the contrary is indicated:      Martha McCord - deceased by 27 Feb 1749      James McCord, orphan of Wm. McCord - 1750.  Later in the year James was of age (age 14 generally) to choose his own guardian.      Sarah McCord's nuncupative will.  Sister Mary; brother Adam.      Joseph McCord's will, 25 Nov 1762.  Wife Mary.  Brother John. Mentions land near Moorman's River in Albemarle Co., where the Harrises also held land.      Joseph McCord's estate - 18 Jun 1763; John McCord Jr.'s note; John McCord Sr.'s note; Benj. McCord's note; Adam McCord & James McCord's note. Wm. McCord's note; Thomas Grubbs note.  [Grubbs is a family with whom the Harris family intermarried; perhaps the McCords had also intermarried with the Grubbs family.] ....      (1)  Rev. Bailey Fulton Davis, THE DEEDS OF AMHERST COUNTY, VIRGINIA, 1761-1807 and ALBEMARLE COUNTY, VIRGINIA, 1748-1763 [Amherst, VA, 1970] LAFHC 975.5482 P2a)      (2)  Blue Ledge may be the same as Blue Ridge, found in patent to Robert Harris, the father of Christopher Harris:      6 Dec 1753 - Patent to Robert Harris on Blue Ridge, Doyle River      Another patent was made to Robert Harris 15 Sep 1752.      (3)  Lyman Chalkley, CHRONICLES OF THE SCOTCH IRISH SETTLEMENT IN VIRGINIA, 1989 reprint of 1912 ed.) ,

Thanks, Evelyn. We've exchanged emails before about our common Vardeman ancestor. I descend from John Vardeman/Elizabeth Morgan's daughter Mary Magdalene Vardeman Cockrell. They were an interesting couple and had quite a life! Sandy On Sep 12, 2012, at 4:39 PM, EVELYN WALLACE wrote: > Dear Sandra Hart: > > You wrote: > > > Friday, September 7, 2012 7:07 PM > I still can't find a Stoner in my direct line, but I keep thinking there may be something there to ties me to the people who DO have a Stoner - - many of my lines converged in southern Kentucky when it was first > opened up by Boone et al - - Cockrell, Ellis, Logan, Vardeman, Acock, > Blanchett - - came from PA, VA, and NC. > > Suggestion: > > I am not as familiar with the Kentucky land grants, as I should be. I have a CD-ROM but I have put a lot of my Kentuckians *on the back burner* for the time being. Stoner is a name you will find in colonial Virginia. I think the Kentucky land grants (which were compiled in several volumes many years ago) may be on line now. Look for Secretary of State --just in case. > > I do have a Vardeman in my lineage but I have not studied their roots as thoroughly as I should have. See notes below. Some of this family went to either Louisiana or Mississippi, and that's where my ancestor married a widowed Mrs. John Mooore nee Polly or Mary Vardeman. * > I do stumble upon that surname in Virginia land grants. Also search the Library of Virginia website (land patents) for the other surnames. > > Are you familiar with the Library of Virginia > website? There is an alpha index somewhere in that vast database. I generally stumble upon it, and I head for Land Patents (under L) -- the topic which includes the term *Northern Neck Land grants*. (Instead of collecting URLs I use google a lot.) > > Put in your surnames (you may have to stumble around for a time) in the Viginia Land Patents area, and then go to the *end of the line*--where the oldest land patents are listed. (To my surprise, Virginia is still awarding a few land patents in 21st century, and those will come up > first.) > > Here are some rough notes on Vardeman. I think you will stumble on this surname in Kentucky, later in Louisiana or Mississippi. > > Mar 2009 > > WILLIAM VARDEMAN OF COLONIAL VIRGINIA > >> From Dennis Ray Hudgins, Cavaliers and Pioneers, Vol. IV, p. 52 > > Patent Bk 15 William Vardeman of Goochland Co., 200 acs. NL in sd. Co., adj the S side of the Rivanna Riv. near the Mountains, adj. Charles Lewis; 27 Sep 1734, p. 296. 1 pds > > Another neighbor of Charles Lewis was John Crawford on both sides Plumbtree Br., N side Rivanna. (Hudgins, p. 60) > > Interestingly, William Verdiman unknown is listed in Goochland Co. insolvents in 1734 with the number 15 following. It is unknown whether the number referred to the amount of tithes which were due or not. Perhaps Verdiman/Vardeman was not residing in Goochland Co. although he had patented land there the same year. > > "Goochland County Insolvents > 1734," Magazine of Virginia Genealogy, Vol 45, No. 4, Nov 2007, p. 295: > > Vardeman appears, however with 2 tithables in this Goochland Co. list: A List of Tithables for looking after the tobacco picker by George Taylor, constable 1735. > > (Jean Lurvey, Goochland Co. Virginia Tithe List 1735-47, > Springfield, MO: Published by author, 1979], p. 1] > >> From Goochland Co. Court Order Book 5 1741-1745: > > Vardeman vs Ree In the action of Debt between William Verdeman Plt. & Fargus Ree Deft. the Sherif having return'd on the Capias the Deft not found and he failing to apear it is ordered that an Alias Capias do issue agt. him returnable to the next Court. > > (Ann K. Blomquist, Goochland Co. Court Order Book 5 1741-1745 (Westminster, MD: Heritage Books, 2007), p. 455) > > Check the DAR online catalog (for their Library) I think years ago I stumbled upon a notebook on this > surname--Vardeman. (There is never enough library time, alas!) > > E.W.Wallace > > * If your library, your state library, or a neighboring library subscribes to HeritageQuest (online database of out=-of-copyright publications), some censuses, PERSI (collection of geneal. periodicals at Allen Co. IN Public Library at Fort Wayne, IN), you will find some interesting stuff. Look for The Boone Family by Hazel A.Spraker, some marriage records of Copiah Co. MS (were the Vardemans there?maybe St.Tammany Par, LA.) and so on. > > I was messing about (from a children's book Wind in the Willows) with Ancestry.com and noted that there is a volume published by Geneal. Publ. Co., Baltimore, entitled Virginia Land Records. This is kind of a scrapbook, but sometimes that is where your ancestors are hiding. There probably is an index, but sometimes if I stumble on a name, I don't bother with the index, but I have good > intentions to return, of course! EWW > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Another unusual thing about south Carolina is the counties did not issue marriage licenses until fairly recent years. To find a marriage for a female line in that day you have to depend on land records and wills. ----- Original Message ----- From: "EVELYN WALLACE" <hdanw@verizon.net> To: "Sam Harris" <saminala179994@yahoo.com>; <harris-hunters@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Research problems Dear Sam and other interested parties, I suggest that you examine the catalog on www.familysearch.org for South Carolina and get some ideas of what kinds of records exist (not many colonial ones for SC, I must say. Comindex is a kind of index for Souh Caroina. My friend who did basic research for Alex Haley' Roots and I agree with Dr.George K. Schweitzer of Knoxville, TN(he writes genealogical guides for various states) that for pre-Statehood South Carolina there are hardly any official records kept at the county level, which counties did not exist until well after the American Revolution. The law-makers were headquartered at Charleston, and according to the genealogical experts, all deeds were to be recorded in Charleston. If you were in upcountry, why would you waste time and money going to Charleston??? And perhaps get killed by enemies on the way?? For my SC ancestor, his widow, and his seven sons (War of 1812 time) I was lucky they moved to Louisiana and Mississippi [adjoining counties] and those localities have excellent records, letting me know that not only my now deceased Revolutionary sergeant had owned land,but thanks to a history of Baptists of SC, he was a reader at Swift Creek Baptist Church, Sumter Co.), a long way from Charleston. Also, he not only had land which his widow and younger sons were selling after his death, but some of older sons had also held land in or near that county. One record was found in the SC county after his death, but the Louisiana notarial records of the sons gave me a lot of detailed information--about SC land and relationships. If you lack some history about the places where your ancestors lived, you may not understand some of the obstacles which stood in their way. The Red Book edited by Alice Eichholz (perhaps your local library has a copy at the reference desk) is written by experts who understand the limitations and unusual sources for each of the United States states. Try for SC church histories and a county history. Leah Townsend wrote a county history of Sumter Co. and explained that with the invention of the cotton gin, people in the older colonies were on their way to places where they could plant lots of cotton (and own lots of slaves.) The migrations were through Sumter Co. and the natives soon got the bug and were on their way to lands recently ceded by Indians. (Collect all the names of your ancestors neighbors. These may have been in-laws and cousins--and his wife's family!!! E.W.Wallace (discouraged about SC lack of records) and having computer troubles with format. ________________________________ From: Sam Harris <saminala179994@yahoo.com> To: "HARRIS-HUNTERS@rootsweb.com" <HARRIS-HUNTERS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:19 AM Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] new member I am Sam Harris #17994 of the DNA site. Oldest known relative Allen Bailey Harris b. 1809 Pendleton/Abbeville/Pickens Co, SC - d 1882 Coosa Co, Alabama. At the time he married Winnie Gordon in 1837, he was known as Captain and was an ordinary of the Court in Pendleton and his grave marker and county records indicate he was a Reverend at the time of his death. Question: Is anyone's Benjamin known to have been a "director" of the Richmond Military Academy near Augusta, Georgia in 1826? I have found that Allen Bailey's brother Daniel Marshall Harris went there and was later a Judge of the Inferior Court in NW Georgia and suspect that AB may have in attendence there as well. That Benjamin may provide a familial tie to the John that was the father of AB and DM. Thanks. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Please get acquainted with the Library of Virginia website [google search for it] Go down the alpha index to and *Land Patents* and choose the one which includes Northern Neck land grants.  (If any colonial Harrises got Northern Neck land grants, they are not Harrises with whom I am acquainted.  Most of our Virginia immigrants could not own land in England or any country controlled by England, so they were land hungry!!!) You will use as your search term on the LVA website for the Virginia land patents the surname Harris.   But you will have to  click all the way to the end of the Harris database to find the earliest patents, as patents are still being granted by the Commonwealth of Virginia in the 21st century and they appear first on the long list for Harrises.  (Amazing but there many swamps still in Virginia, and many may have been drained to accommodate newish patents!!!) Newer techniques in genealogy are called *cluster* research.  You note all the families who clustered around a watercourse or in a county, although if the *stranger* [to you] county is just across the river, gather those folks up also.  You need an atlas for Virginia.  DeLorme still publishes one, which I bought some years ago, but the index is not as good as I might wish.  Also, I was told by an archivist at LVA some years ago that when the land changed hands, the new landholder  might change the name of the creek, etc.  (However, I was lucky!!!) These patents which have also been published [some of the newer books have editor's remarks which I find helpful!  The first three of these volumes called Cavaliers and Pioneers were published many decades ago by the Library of Virginia, and the editor was Nell Marion Nugent.  The succeeding five volumes have been published in the past decades by the Virginia Genealogical Society.  Te editor was Denis Ray Hudgins.  All of these volumes are well indexed.  (I think VA Geneal Society sold their volumes to Ancestry.com.  But I am not as comfortable with the internet as I am with books. Here is an example from Vol IV of Cavaliers & Pioneers.  I consider this fellow a *usual suspect*.  Even if he is not my ancestor, he is of the right county and of the right time.  So I round him up: Patent Bk No. 18:  Robert Harris, 95 acs. Hanover Co., S side of Little Riv., adj. Col. Jones & sd Harris; 2 Jul 1738, p 77.  10 shill   (Denis Hudgins, Cavaliers and Pioneers:  Abstracts of Virginia Land Patents and Grants. Vol. Four: 1732-1741 [Richmond:  Virginia Genealogical Society, 1994] p. 169) So--how is this Robert Harris connected to anyone about whom I have already done research?  In the index are place names, such as rivers, swamps, counties, etc.  I will first gather up other folk who are clustered on Little River, perhaps in Hanover Co., but earlier may have been of New Kent Co. In Vol 4 of C&P [Cavaliers and Pioneers, Vol. there are references to Little River on these pages:  1, 87, 129, 144, 169 [the one quoted above], 221, 251.  (I need to analyze these patents--who, where, when, neighbors, etc.]  I already have some suspicions about this particular Harris man, but I had better double check. I am going to proceed quickly by cutting short on page 1 of same volume of C&P.  I already have some earlier info on Col.Thomas Jones, and he is another *usual suspect*  He appears in earlier volumes of Cavaliers and Pioneers. Patent Bk No 15  Col. Thomas Jones of the City of Willamsburgh, Gent.  [Note to EWW:  is he a colonial official of some importance--like in the House of Burgesses?  Or head of a military company?  Didn't he patent land earlier with another close friend or neighbor of a Harris?  to continue:]  3,400 acs. NL [new land] OL [old land] in Hanover Co.; both sides of North Fork of Little Riv. & head brs. of Elk Cr; adj. William Harris [which William Harris may this be?  EWW] James Nuckolls, John Poindexter, Dickenson & Winston; 9 Oct 1732, p. 2 15 pds  part formerly gtd by pat. to Josep Powell of King Wm.Co. & by him sold to sd Thomas Jones.  Years ago, I think Genealogical Publ Co. took lots of articles from older publications like the William and Mary Quarterly, Tyler's Quarterly and published in about four volumes named [what else?] Virginia Genealogies.  (Take your magnifying glass.  I saw these volumes in a nearby genealogical library recently, but I figures I did not have sufficient time to dip into those.  Well, some of these books are now on Ancestry.com.  Try searching for Virginia land records--and lok for a surname index at the very end.) If a library near you has issues of The Virginia Genealogist, check the indexes, if any are available.  John Frederick Dorman has been the editor/publisher of these for decades, but my impression was that most of the material was of later centuries rather than the earlier centuries. However, Dorman has been editor or co-editor of several versions of some costly books entitled Adventurers of Purse and Person.  Get your librarian to help you track down these books and see if you can order them on interlibrary loan. ________________________________ From: Anne Harris <amh504@yahoo.com> To: EVELYN WALLACE <hdanw@verizon.net>; "harris-hunters@rootsweb.com" <harris-hunters@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Major William Harris Thank you for answering my email The Major William Harris (1626), Henrico, son of Captain Thomas Harris (1587), Henrico, VA is the Major William Harris I am inquiring about.  Do you have any direction or info for me? Have a good day, Anne >________________________________ > From: EVELYN WALLACE <hdanw@verizon.net> >To: "harris-hunters@rootsweb.com" <harris-hunters@rootsweb.com>; "holmes-diane@att.net" <holmes-diane@att.net> >Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 7:01 PM >Subject: Re: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Major William Harris > >Dear Diane Holmes,  If your Harrises were in Albemarle Co.,formed 1744 from Goochland and Louisa Cos., VA can you give some approximate dates?  My Christopher Harris, son of Major Robert Harris, surveyor of colonial Louisa Co., was in the process of moving ca 1787 to Madison Co., KY.  However, I am fairly certain that he left behind (maybe the eldest) a son named John Harris who became his executor in Albemarle Co.  If you have access to the digitized database HeritageQuest through your local (or State) library system, you can find The Boone Family by Hazel Spraker.  Toward the back of the book are related families and there is a list of Christopher's children (19 if I remember correctly) by two wives.  The first wife is said to be Mary Dabney (can be conjectured from the will which mentions Cornelius Dabney) and the second wife was Agnes McCord--one of those Scotch-Irish persons from Pennsylvania who settled in Augusta Co, VA.  Some McCords were >later in Albemarle Co.  Evelyn W.Wallace > > > > > > >________________________________ >From: Diane Holmes <holmes-diane@att.net> >To: harris-hunters@rootsweb.com >Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 5:29 AM >Subject: Re: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Major William Harris > >Mary June, >    No my group is 7. I know there are a lot of William Harris. My family >settled in Albemarle and Nelson County, Virginia. > >Diane D. Holmes > > > > >________________________________ >From: "boxerb@aol.com" <boxerb@aol.com> >To: harris-hunters@rootsweb.com >Sent: Wed, August 29, 2012 6:56:30 PM >Subject: Re: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Major William Harris > > >Is this group 6? > >Mary June > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Lynda SoRelle <clsorelle@sbcglobal.net> >To: Anne Harris <amh504@yahoo.com>; harris-hunters <harris-hunters@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:23 pm >Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS]  Major William Harris > > >Major William Harris left three children when he died,  Thomas, William and >Edward. According to the following wills and deeds,  Thomas Harris died without >issue. >Alice Harris, widow of Major William Harris, later married George Alves.  They >lived in New Kent and Hanover Co., VA where William and Edward  Harris, younger >sons of Major William, also lived in close association  with George Alves. The >descendants of William and Edward Harris of New Kent/Hanover Co. are Group 8 in >the Harris DNA project. > > >From Adventurers of Purse and Person, 2nd edition 1964, p. 384 >WILL OF MAJOR WILLIAM HARRIS >Not knowing what the Lord hath ordained or at what tyme he may take out of >this life, I doe settle my estate of lands as followeth: I give & bequeath to >my sonne Thomas all my lands below the ware and to keep the ware run for his >Bownes till it shall come to ye spring at ye hed & then to follow a bottom on >ye lower side of the clearing of John Rabon, to the hundred roade path, and >then on a straight roade or course to the land of Coll. Petter Ashbrooke, but >in no case to cross pocketts' path; to my younger sonns Wm. & Edward Harris, >I give the rest of my dividend, Wm. to have the plantation where I now live & >Edward ye land next Ashbrooke. But Wm. to extend outwards one hundred yards >beyond ye clearing of John Rabon on the path called pocketts' path & thence >on a straight course to ye redd watter & Edward the Heds, vizdt: to Petter >Ashbrooke's line as allsoe to ye Ashen swamp above, to them & their Heires; >neyther to sell unless the one to ye other & if eyther die without ishew, the >land to come to ye survivor; my two younger sons to live with their mother >till ye age of sixteene, if shee marry; if not, till 19 years of age. My will >is that my wife live on the plantation during her life but not to hinder my >sonne Wm. at the head of ye Ware if he come for himself. I desyre my friends >Mr. Thomas Cocke & Mr. Wm. Randolph to see this my will performed. In witness >of every pte. >hereof, I putt to my hand this 20th day of April, 1678. >Signed Wm. Harris >Signed in ye presence of Rich. Lygon ye mark of X >Proved in Henrico County Court the first day of Feby., 1678/79 by the oath of >Ann Steward, one of the witnesses to the will above written, >and entered amongst the records of the sd. Court per. Wm. Randolph Cl. Cur. >Henrico CountyRecords (Deeds & Wills) 1677-1692, p. 68 >Ann Stuart > >Will of Thomas Harris dated Feb. 10, 1678/9, proved June 2, 1679. >In the name of God, Amen, I, THOMAS HARRIS, being very ill and sicke and very >weake, make this my last Will and Testament, being in sound mind and perfect >memory. First I bequeath my soul to God who gave it, & my body to the earth from > > >whence it came. I give and bequeath unto my sister-in-law, Loue Harris, my land >at ye ware, according to the bounds sett in my father's will, to her and her >heirs forever and give her as much power of the afores'd land as I myself had in > > >my lifetime. I give and bequeath unto my Cozen, Richard Lygon, all my horses, >mares or folds y't can be found or to be said or proved to be mine to him and >his heirs forever, they not being given by my Grandfather into the hands of the >overseers for the true and honest p'formance of this my last will. I have >hereunto sett my hand and seale In the years of our Lord God, February the 10th, > > >Anno 1678-9. Thomas Harris. >Teste: Alice (X) Harris, Mary (X) Lygon, Junr. - : Richard Lygon. >Proved in Henrico County Court the 2nd day of June, 1679, by the oath of Mrs. >Mary Lygon, the younger. >Tste: Wm. Randolph, Cl. Cur. And recorded , per W. Rid p'h. >Henrico Co. Wills & Deeds 1677-92, pg 90-91 - Weisiger > > >William Harris, son of Maj. William Harris, dec’d., for a tract of 250 acres, >now conveyed to me by Hon. William Byrd, Esq., being that tract on south side of > > >James River called “The Ware,” given by Maj. Harris to his son Thomas Harris, >Dec’d, and since escheated to His Majesty, sells to said Byrd a tract also on >south side of James River, part of a tract Maj. Harris died seized of on Ware >Run, 225 acres, 1 Oct. 1692. > >/s/ William Harris >Wit: Wm. Soane, George Alves >Rec: 1 Oct. 1692Henrico Co., VA Deed & Will Bk. 1688-1697, p. 347 - Weisiger > > > >Lynda Harris SoRelle > > > > >________________________________ >From: Anne Harris <amh504@yahoo.com> >To: EVELYN WALLACE <hdanw@verizon.net>; "harris-hunters@rootsweb.com" ><harris-hunters@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tue, August 28, 2012 11:29:39 PM >Subject: Re: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Some Edgecombe Co. NC Info > >Is there information on Major William Harris, son of Captain Thomas Harris as to > > >the names >of his children and wife? > > >Have a good day, >Anne > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com > >with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >the message > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Dear Harris Hunters,  In case I have failed to share this info with you: The Colonial and State Papers of North Carolina have been digitized by the Univ. of North Carolina.  As I remember there are about 26 volumes of hard copies.  Each volume of the digital version has its own index.  The index is a little *clunky* but at least there is an index.  I believe each volume has a date on it, which will help if you have any idea when your ancestor was living.  Just google for the title (which is the subject of this e-mail). It has been some years since I have looked at a few of the hard copies of these volumes which were at my family history center, but,was I pleased when I found letters from Col. Richard Henderson (of Granville Co.)to his agent at Transylvania--his maternal cousin--Col. John Williams, son of John Williams, Sr.of Granville Co. NC who died intestate ca 1770.  There was one letter which was of particular interest--Henderson wrote that John's nephew Jacky Williams had died suddenly, not long after Jacky's own father, William Williams, had died testate at Boonesborough [then part of VA] Dec 1770. As I remember, some of the early volumes tell of land grants to grantees.  There are tax lists, etc.  In other words, some of these volumes are like our genealogical collections--a jumble of papers.If you have colonial Virginians, North Carolinians and later Tennesseeas an Kentuckians, make a list of your surnames and look over this digitized collection.  E.W.Wallace

Dear Sandra Hart: You wrote: Friday, September 7, 2012 7:07 PM I still can't find a Stoner in my direct line, but I keep thinking there may be something there to ties me to the people who DO have a Stoner - - many of my lines converged in southern Kentucky when it was first opened up by Boone et al - - Cockrell, Ellis, Logan, Vardeman, Acock, Blanchett  - - came from PA, VA, and NC. Suggestion: I am not as familiar with the Kentucky land grants, as I should be.  I have a CD-ROM but I have put a lot of my Kentuckians *on the back burner* for the time being.  Stoner is a name you will find in colonial Virginia.  I think the Kentucky land grants (which were compiled in several volumes many years ago) may be on line now.  Look for Secretary of State --just in case. I do have a Vardeman in my lineage but I have not studied their roots as thoroughly as I should have.  See notes below.  Some of this family went to either Louisiana or Mississippi, and that's where my ancestor married a widowed Mrs. John Mooore nee Polly or Mary Vardeman. * I do stumble upon that surname in Virginia land grants.  Also search the Library of Virginia website (land patents) for the other surnames. Are  you familiar with the Library of Virginia website?  There is an alpha index somewhere in that vast database.  I generally stumble upon it, and I head for Land Patents (under L) -- the topic which includes the term *Northern Neck Land grants*.  (Instead of collecting URLs I use google a lot.) Put in your surnames (you may have to stumble around for a time) in the Viginia Land Patents area, and then go to the *end of the line*--where the oldest land patents are listed.  (To my surprise, Virginia is still awarding a few land patents in 21st century, and those will come up first.) Here are some rough notes on Vardeman. I think you will stumble on this surname in Kentucky, later in Louisiana or Mississippi. Mar 2009 WILLIAM VARDEMAN OF COLONIAL VIRGINIA From Dennis Ray Hudgins, Cavaliers and Pioneers, Vol. IV, p. 52 Patent Bk 15  William Vardeman of Goochland Co., 200 acs. NL in sd. Co., adj the S side of the Rivanna Riv. near the Mountains, adj. Charles Lewis; 27 Sep 1734, p. 296.  1 pds Another neighbor of Charles Lewis was John Crawford on both sides Plumbtree Br., N side Rivanna.  (Hudgins, p. 60) Interestingly, William Verdiman unknown is listed in Goochland Co. insolvents in 1734 with the number 15 following.  It is unknown whether the number referred to the amount of tithes which were due or not.  Perhaps Verdiman/Vardeman was not residing in Goochland Co. although he had patented land there the same year. "Goochland County Insolvents 1734,"  Magazine of Virginia Genealogy, Vol 45, No. 4, Nov 2007, p. 295: Vardeman appears, however with 2 tithables in this Goochland Co.  list:  A List of Tithables for looking after the tobacco picker by George Taylor, constable 1735. (Jean Lurvey, Goochland Co. Virginia Tithe List 1735-47, Springfield, MO:  Published by author, 1979], p. 1] From Goochland Co. Court Order Book 5 1741-1745: Vardeman vs Ree  In the action of Debt between William Verdeman Plt. & Fargus Ree Deft. the Sherif having return'd on the Capias the Deft not found and he failing to apear it is ordered that an Alias Capias do issue agt. him returnable to the next Court. (Ann K. Blomquist, Goochland Co. Court Order Book 5 1741-1745 (Westminster, MD:  Heritage Books, 2007), p. 455) Check the DAR online catalog (for their Library)  I think years ago I stumbled upon a notebook on this surname--Vardeman.  (There is never enough library time, alas!) E.W.Wallace * If your library, your state library, or a neighboring library subscribes to HeritageQuest (online database of out=-of-copyright publications), some censuses, PERSI (collection of geneal. periodicals at Allen Co. IN Public Library at Fort Wayne, IN), you will find some interesting stuff.  Look for The Boone Family by Hazel A.Spraker, some marriage records of Copiah Co. MS (were the Vardemans there?maybe St.Tammany Par, LA.) and so on.   I was messing about (from a children's book Wind in the Willows) with Ancestry.com and noted that there is a volume published by Geneal. Publ. Co., Baltimore, entitled Virginia Land Records.  This is kind of a scrapbook, but sometimes that is where your ancestors are hiding.  There probably is an index, but sometimes if I stumble on a name, I don't bother with the index, but I have good intentions to return, of course!  EWW

Dear Ira,  Subject should be DEEDS: I cannot answer answer all your questions in detail at this sitting.  First, I believe I was told by the administrator of the Granville Co. NC genforum that the books of Katharine Kerr Kendall, who did some wonderful abstracts of Caswell Co. NC (formed 1777 from Orange Co.) and of Person Co. has sold Kendall's books to Ancestry.com.  I have not checked that out.  But check to see whether your library has Ancestry.com, the library version.  If not, try the Family History Center nearest you. From Person Co Nc Deed Bk C: page 166-167: William Winstead to Benjamin Morrow, for 50 lbs.73 A. on Tar R adj. Richard Jones, Isaac Day,John Day on wagon path to Bumpass old field. 30 Aug 1799  Acknd in open court. (Katharine Kerr Kendall, Person County North Carolina Deed Books 1792-1825 [Baltimore:  Clearfield Co., 1994)p. 42 Sneaked a look at succeeding deed: 167-8  Robert Harris to Overton Harris of Granville Co.,for 120 lbs.236 A.both sides Crooked Fork. 16 Mar 1799.  Wit:  William Huston, Geo. Duty (Ibid., p 42) ________________________________ From: Ira Harris <barebear@insightbb.com> To: HARRIS-HUNTERS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:38 PM Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Person County, NC Marriage Bonds Source: Harris & Allied Families of Kentucky  (Online)               Ancestor's "Lost & Found" Department               Part 2: North Carolina Marriages               PERSON COUNTY, NORTH CAROLINA Person County, North Carolina was created in 1791 from Caswell County. The county seat is Roxboro. ******************* Groom: Benjamin Morrow Bride: Nancy Harris Bond Date: October 19, 1795 Bond # 000108418 County: Person Bondsman: William Morro ************* Groom: Richard Harris Bride: Elenor Adams Bond Date: February 2, 1813 Bond # 000107791 County: Person Bondsman: Benjamin Harris Witness: Ira Lea *************** Groom: Richard Harris Bride: Polly Duncan Bond Date: December 14, 1815 Bond # 000107792 County: Person Bondsman: John Hudgins Witness: Ira Lea **************** Groom: Samuel Harris Bride: Anne Fuller Bond Date: October 26, 1782 Bond # 000107798 County: Person Bondsman: Jno Clayton Witness: Robert Dickins **************** Groom: Hardy Walters Bride: Elizabeth Harris Bond Date: June 20, 1816 Bond # 000109301 County: Person Bondsman: Walter Fuller Witness: Alex Winstead **************** Groom: Samuel Harris Bride: Elizabeth Winstead Bond Date: December 13, 1802 Bond # 008828 County: Person Bondsman: Coutance Winstead ************** Groom: John Harris Bride: Sally Tapp Bond Date: January 5, 1796 Bond # 000107787 County: Person Bondsman: John Bumpass Witness: Jesse Dickins *************** Any information is appreciated about any of these couples. Especially about the two Richard Harris marriages! Please respond through HH so that others may be helped. Ira L. Harris III Member, Group 6, Harris Y-DNA Family Study Line of Robert Harris of Ware Creek, New Kent County, Virginia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sam, and welcome to Harris Hunters. Sam and I have exchanged e mails in the past on his DNA 6 line for William Allen Bailey Harris (of John) m Winnefred Gordon , which also has a Family Finder kit. There are a couple Harris 8 men who run through this DNA 6 line, and that would be Milton Dean Harris 8 and Thomas Dayton Harris 8. The connections may run up Sam's Gordon line, or they may come from females down the line Samuel Pickens 6 Harris 1855 SC/Mary Elizabeth Thornell Robert Samuel 6 Harris 1883 Coosa AL /Mattie Wilbanks George Robert Harris 1911 Coosa AL Any help appreciated on these two different DNA lines. Pat Harris In a message dated 9/12/2012 1:21:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, saminala179994@yahoo.com writes: I am Sam Harris #17994 of the DNA site. Oldest known relative Allen Bailey Harris b. 1809 Pendleton/Abbeville/Pickens Co, SC - d 1882 Coosa Co, Alabama. At the time he married Winnie Gordon in 1837, he was known as Captain and was an ordinary of the Court in Pendleton and his grave marker and county records indicate he was a Reverend at the time of his death. Question: Is anyone's Benjamin known to have been a "director" of the Richmond Military Academy near Augusta, Georgia in 1826? I have found that Allen Bailey's brother Daniel Marshall Harris went there and was later a Judge of the Inferior Court in NW Georgia and suspect that AB may have in attendence there as well. That Benjamin may provide a familial tie to the John that was the father of AB and DM. Thanks. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Those Harrises who show up in the states and territories formed from the Louisiana Purchase (great chunks of land) MAY show up in the Bureau of Land Management records including Alabama.  Google for this topic--BLM.  The URL used to be more friendly, and now and then Congress gets into the act, and then it disappears and then reappears as a different URL.  Try Ancestry.com--I think I stumbled upon that topic. (Alabama was formed from Mississippi ca 1817; see the Red Book for Alabama.  I think it has been digitized and is on Ancestry.com but check your reference desk at local library.  (It is generally behind the reference librarian's desk--does not circulate, so photocopy or take extensive notes.   If your library has an expensive book called Grassroots of America by Philip McMullen [I may have misspelled his name] or if your local Family History Center has a microfiche of the same name, this is an index of some early claimants in this vast area--from the Canadian border to the Gulf of Mexico.  (Excluded from the BLM records--the 13 colonies and the states formed from those 13 colonies plus Texas and Hawaii) but the rest of the US MAY have claimants listed. Beware:  During Andrew Jackson's adm. he vetoed a bill continuing the Federal Bank.  I found my folks and their neighbrs who were in Copiah Co. Ms were declaring bankruptcy left and right, selling land, slaves, even kitchen equipment.  Many headed for the Republic of Texas which had no reciprocal agreement with the US.  It didn't help that a couple of borthers who were fleeing had been accused of committing a murder and the Governor of Mississippi was offering a reward for their capture.  If there are old newspapers and court records, find a few scandals. I found excerpts of newspapers in genealogical journals (quarterlies) issued in Mississippi.  For a fee, sometimes genealogical societies will do research for you, but they hope to be rewarded.  E.W.Wallace PS  Read the Red Book about research in SC.  Terrible place to do family history.  Find books on church history and perhaps county history to help.  E.W.Wallace ________________________________ From: "PatCLARE@aol.com" <PatCLARE@aol.com> To: saminala179994@yahoo.com; HARRIS-HUNTERS@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] new member Hi Sam, and welcome to Harris Hunters. Sam and I have exchanged e mails in the past on his DNA 6 line for  William Allen Bailey Harris  (of John)  m Winnefred Gordon ,  which also has a Family Finder kit. There are a couple Harris 8 men who run through this DNA 6 line, and that  would be Milton Dean Harris 8 and Thomas Dayton Harris 8. The connections may run up Sam's Gordon line, or they may come from females down the line Samuel Pickens  6 Harris 1855 SC/Mary Elizabeth Thornell Robert Samuel  6 Harris 1883 Coosa AL /Mattie Wilbanks George Robert Harris 1911 Coosa AL Any help appreciated on these two different DNA lines. Pat Harris In a message dated 9/12/2012 1:21:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  saminala179994@yahoo.com writes: I am Sam  Harris #17994 of the DNA site.  Oldest known relative Allen Bailey Harris  b. 1809  Pendleton/Abbeville/Pickens Co, SC - d 1882 Coosa Co,  Alabama.  At the time  he married Winnie Gordon in 1837, he was  known as Captain and was an ordinary of the Court in Pendleton and his grave  marker and county records indicate he was a Reverend at the time of his  death.  Question:  Is anyone's Benjamin known to  have been a "director" of the Richmond Military Academy near Augusta, Georgia  in 1826?  I have found that Allen Bailey's brother Daniel Marshall Harris  went there and was later a Judge of the Inferior Court in NW Georgia and  suspect that AB may have in attendence there as well.  That Benjamin may  provide a familial tie to the John that was the father of AB and  DM. Thanks. ------------------------------- To  unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to  HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the  quotes in the subject and the body of the  message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Sam and other interested parties,   I suggest that you examine the catalog on www.familysearch.org for South Carolina and get some ideas of what kinds of records exist (not many colonial ones for SC, I must say.  Comindex is a kind of index for Souh Caroina.   My friend who did basic research for Alex Haley' Roots and I agree with Dr.George K. Schweitzer of Knoxville, TN(he writes genealogical guides for various states) that for pre-Statehood South Carolina there are hardly any official records kept at the county level, which counties did not exist until well after the American Revolution.  The law-makers were headquartered at Charleston, and according to the genealogical experts, all deeds were to be recorded in Charleston.  If you were in upcountry, why would you waste time and money going to Charleston???  And perhaps get killed by enemies on the way?? For my SC ancestor, his widow, and his seven sons (War of 1812 time) I was lucky they moved to Louisiana and Mississippi [adjoining counties] and those localities have excellent records, letting me know that not only my now deceased Revolutionary sergeant had owned land,but thanks to a history of Baptists of SC, he was a reader at Swift Creek Baptist Church, Sumter Co.), a long way from Charleston.  Also, he not only had land which his widow and younger sons were selling after his death, but some of older sons had also held land in or near that county.  One record was found in the SC county after his death, but the Louisiana notarial records of the sons gave me a lot of detailed information--about SC land and relationships. If you lack some history about the places where your ancestors lived, you may not understand some of the obstacles which stood in their way.  The Red Book edited by Alice Eichholz (perhaps your local library has a copy at the reference desk) is written by experts who understand the limitations and unusual sources for each of the United States states.   Try for SC church histories and a county history.  Leah Townsend wrote a county history of Sumter Co. and explained that with the invention of the cotton gin, people in the older colonies were on their way to places where they could plant lots of cotton (and own lots of slaves.)  The migrations were through Sumter Co. and the natives soon got the bug and were on their way to lands recently ceded by Indians.  (Collect all the names of your ancestors neighbors.  These may have been in-laws and cousins--and his wife's family!!! E.W.Wallace (discouraged about SC lack of records)  and having computer troubles with format. ________________________________ From: Sam Harris <saminala179994@yahoo.com> To: "HARRIS-HUNTERS@rootsweb.com" <HARRIS-HUNTERS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:19 AM Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] new member I am Sam Harris #17994 of the DNA site.  Oldest known relative Allen Bailey Harris b. 1809  Pendleton/Abbeville/Pickens Co, SC - d 1882 Coosa Co, Alabama.  At the time  he married Winnie Gordon in 1837, he was known as Captain and was an ordinary of the Court in Pendleton and his grave marker and county records indicate he was a Reverend at the time of his death.    Question:  Is anyone's Benjamin known to have been a "director" of the Richmond Military Academy near Augusta, Georgia in 1826?  I have found that Allen Bailey's brother Daniel Marshall Harris went there and was later a Judge of the Inferior Court in NW Georgia and suspect that AB may have in attendence there as well.  That Benjamin may provide a familial tie to the John that was the father of AB and DM.   Thanks. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am Sam Harris #17994 of the DNA site.  Oldest known relative Allen Bailey Harris b. 1809  Pendleton/Abbeville/Pickens Co, SC - d 1882 Coosa Co, Alabama.  At the time  he married Winnie Gordon in 1837, he was known as Captain and was an ordinary of the Court in Pendleton and his grave marker and county records indicate he was a Reverend at the time of his death.    Question:  Is anyone's Benjamin known to have been a "director" of the Richmond Military Academy near Augusta, Georgia in 1826?  I have found that Allen Bailey's brother Daniel Marshall Harris went there and was later a Judge of the Inferior Court in NW Georgia and suspect that AB may have in attendence there as well.  That Benjamin may provide a familial tie to the John that was the father of AB and DM.   Thanks.

Dear Harris Hunters, As many of you know, Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness has been gone for a year or two now. I just wanted to let all know there is a new website out there that looks like it will be a great replacement for Random Acts. Please check out Gen Gathering.  Be sure to volunteer where ever you can help. http://www.gengathering.com/ Please share it with all of your friends and relatives.  Ralph Harris Vancouver, WA

Dear Harris Hunters, As many of you know, Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness has been gone for a year or two now. I just wanted to let all know there is a new website out there that looks like it will be a great replacement for Random Acts. Please check out Gen Gathering.  Be sure to volunteer where ever you can help. http://www.gengathering.com/ Please share it with all of your friends and relatives.  I hope all of you Harris cousins are doing great. Ralph Harris Vancouver, WA

I have not used Cyndi's List in years, but sometimes we need to consider new *road maps*. On Cyndi's List I found that ancestry.com has some lists of Kentucky tax lists of at least 1800.  (I don't find Ancestry.com is so easy to navigate.  If I put in a surname I come up with some newish records.  It's those colonial southerners I am mostly seeking!!!  Found some Oldhams of Madison Co. on the tax lists of circa 1800.  Overton Harris (d. testate 1827, Madison Co. KY) married Nancy Oldham, dau. of Richard Ready-Money Oldham [to differentiate him from his uncle of the same name, later found in Estill co. KY.  Richard of Estill got a Rev. War pension as did his namesake nephew] R/M's widow the former Patsy Reid, dau of Alexander Reid, (second wife) went to Missouri as a widow and that may account for a lot of Oldhams in Missouri.  She was mother of most of R/M's children.  *First wife  of R/M Oldham wasUrsley Duke Williams, the widow of Reuben Peoples, was the mother of my Nancy Oldham, wife of Overton Harris of Madison Co., KY.  Oldham-Peoples marriage took place in Caswell Co. NC shortly before the trek to Madison Co., KY. (They lived in the Otter Creek area of Madison Co.)  These Oldhams came from Caswell Co. NC but Jesse the elder had been involved from time to time with Col. Richard Henderson, if we can believe some of the tales in the Draper Manuscripts [old handwriting hard to read) Some Universities as well as the Family History Library have the multiple films--again, hard to read!!!  But I found a few letters written by my ancestor George Washington Stoner--about ten years apart. Also by his nephew who reportedly was killed by the Union forces during the Civil War.  (Jackson Purchase country of KY) These Oldhams of Madison Co. MAY have been related to the Northern Neck Virginia Oldhams of early Northern Neck Virginia, but that is hard to prove.   Those Oldhams in early Jefferson Co., KY came directly from Virginia to Kentucky, while my bunch deviated to North Carolina after the French and Indian War.  See Lloyd D. Bockstruck's book named Virginia's Colonial Soldiers for Jesse's enlistment.  (How did he get to North Carolina?  And to marry one of the ten daughters of Richard Simpson and wife Mary Kincheloe, formerly of Fairfax Co.,VA?)  John Ashby, Jesse's commanding officer, later settled in Fauquier Co. but it had not yet been formed in 1755. Always a new mystery to solve!!! E. W.Wallace E.W.Wallace

Dear Wren, Regarding your interest in genealogical research in South Carolina: May I suggest that you dip into familysearch.org or the same familysearch.wiki [both sponsored by the Family History Library in Salt Lake City] and learn what you can about doing genealogical research in South Carolina. (I will tell you right off the bat--unless your family left a lot of personal papers (or had Charleston relatives), genealogical research in SC is quite difficult. None of the upcountry counties kept records!!!!  According to a lecture I attended years ago, all deeds, until quite late in SC's history, had to be recorded in Charleston.  Only when my Revolutionary ancestor's seven sons and his widow decided to move to Louisiana after the Battle of New Orleans was I able to discover that among these family members, they owned a fair amount of land in the upcountry (what is now Sumter Co., SC.) Louisiana had such papers as notarial papers, and from these *foreign* papers I discovered that these sons had owned property in SC.  A county history of Sumter Co. and a book about Baptists in SC told me more than I could find in the SC Archives!!! Also. if you spend some of your genealogical money on books, I recommend that you find with google.com the author, Dr. George K. Schwietzer, PhD, ScD,  He has compiled a good many useful booklets (reasonably priced, I think)including this one: South Carolina Genealgocial Research. I had colonial ancestors in Upcountry SC,but the records, if they exist, are virtually non-existent. t ________________________________ From: Wren Harris <jwharrisjr@bellsouth.net> To: harris-hunters-l@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 10:46 AM Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Harris in Edgefield South Carolina My great-great-great grandfather was George Harris.  He died in Edgefield County, South Carolina in 1819, and left heirs William, Micajah, Craven, John, Joshua (my ancestor), Jane, Elizabeth, Thomas, and George. My great-great grandfather was Joshua Harris.  He was born about 1788 in South Carolina, married Elizabeth Wren about 1828 (his 2nd or 3rd marriage, lived in Edgefield County, South Carolina, and died there sometime after 1870.  His children were Aramenta, Amanda, Mary, Sarah Zeline, John B., Martha Sylvesta, Jennie, Frances, and Joshua Wren Harris (my ancestor and namesake).  Although I would welcome hearing from anyone researching this family any time, I plan to be in Edgefield, South Carolina on September 28 and 29, 2012, and I'm sending this hoping that you might be there, too. The Old Edgefield District Genealogical Society and Old Edgefield District African American Genealogical Society are hosting a "Southern Studies Showcase" in Edgefield on September 28 and 29, 2012. Genealogical and historical societies from all over South Carolina and parts of Georgia are being invited to participate in this two-day event that is expected to bring over 150 people to the Town of Edgefield. Go to  <outbind://24/www.oedgs.org> www.oedgs.org for more details. Hope to hear from you soon, J. Wren Harris, Jr. Harris dna group 5 Columbus, GA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I still can't find a Stoner in my direct line, but I keep thinking there may be something there to ties me to the people who DO have a Stoner - - many of my lines converged in southern Kentucky when it was first opened up by Boone et al - - Cockrell, Ellis, Logan, Vardeman, Acock, Blanchett - - came from PA, VA, and NC. On Sep 7, 2012, at 4:31 PM, EVELYN WALLACE wrote: > Thanks - you are right. These are not my Stoner line. > > George Michael Stoner was known as Holsteiner in Lancaster Co. PA [perhaps also Berks Co., PA]. But he got a fair amount of money from his father's and brother's estates, according to probate records in PA. He *took off*, joining with Daniel Boone somewhere along the way as he made his way,perhaps to North Carolina and then through the Cumberland Gap with Daniel Boone. If you ever explore the microfilmed Kentucky Papers of the Draper Manuscripts, you will see frequent mention of him. > > > Since Stoner was mixing it up with English speakers, he (or his companions)shortened his name to Stoner, as you must admit *Holsteiner* is a whole mouth full, unless you speak German!!! > > Lancaster Co. [PA] deeds K-120, 27 Mar 1764: > > "375a-Heidelberg tp: No description > "Orphans ct. confirmed tract to George Holsteiner, eldest son of Leonard Holsteiner, late of Heid. twp., decd., who paid share of 168 pds-11/5d to his brother George Michael Holsteiner through his gdn. Alexander Shaffer & George Michael now ack. receipt fr. his gdn. > "17 Mar 1764.... 2 Jul 1764" > > (R. Thomas Mayhill, LANCASTER COUNTY PENNSYLVANIA DEED ABSTRACTS & REVOLUTIONARY WAR OATHS OF ALLEGIANCE [Knightstown, IN: The Bookmark, 5th printing 1994, revised and enlarged edition], p. 127) > > Share this info with other KY rootsweb list, as the counties kept changing boundaries, and one will find Stoner in early records of Fayette and other counties as they divided. I do not subscribe to all KY lists. > > Michael Stoner died [nuncupative will] in Wayne Co., KY where according to records he was authorized to operate a ferry across the Cumberland River. His widow Frances Tandy Tribble remarried to her daughter's father-in-law Rev. Thomas Chilton, who predeceased her. I thik she appears in some of the later records [wills? death records?] as Frances Chetton [should be Chilton}. Because her youngest son Andrew Stoner took care of her in her declining years, she left her estate to him. Which seems to have created a controversy--and perhaps a court case--with other siblings. I do not have the details of all that > > I am descended from Michael Stoner's grandson,Michael Lowery Stoner, son of George Washington Stoner. > > I surmise Michael Lowery Stoner took his wife's inheritance (she was one of younger daughters of Overton Harris of Madison Co. and his wife, Nancy Oldham, later Mrs. Anderson Chenault) and migrated to Texas. In time for his poor wife to die ca 1859 (1860 mortality schedule for Texas), to find himself a landed widow for second wife, and to get himself involved in the Civil War and get himself imprisoned in New Orleans for a time. > > The Boone Family has a slightly twisted version,but old letters and--a family Bible from second wife--are now in the Texana Collection at one of the libraries at Baylor U, Waco, TX. There is a letter or two written from New Orleans to his second wife, who had given birth to a son while he was in prison. > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Shirly Winkelhoch <shirl5@mindspring.com> > To: 'EVELYN WALLACE' <hdanw@verizon.net>; madky@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, September 7, 2012 12:44 PM > Subject: RE: [MADKY] Henry Harris > > I'm sure it is not your Stoner line, but I picked up a number of men, 3 I > think, last name Stoner in > Bedford Co. PA. Shirey, St. Louis > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks - you are right.  These are not my Stoner line. George Michael Stoner was known as Holsteiner in Lancaster Co. PA [perhaps also Berks Co., PA].  But he got a fair amount of money from his father's and brother's estates, according to probate records in PA.  He *took off*, joining with Daniel Boone somewhere along the way as he made his way,perhaps to North Carolina and then through the Cumberland Gap with Daniel Boone.  If you ever explore the microfilmed Kentucky Papers of the Draper Manuscripts, you will see frequent mention of him.  Since Stoner was mixing it up with English speakers, he (or his companions)shortened his name to Stoner, as you must admit *Holsteiner* is a whole mouth full, unless you speak German!!! Lancaster Co. [PA] deeds K-120, 27 Mar 1764:  "375a-Heidelberg tp:  No description "Orphans ct. confirmed tract to George Holsteiner, eldest son of Leonard Holsteiner, late of Heid. twp., decd., who paid share of 168 pds-11/5d to his brother George Michael Holsteiner through his gdn. Alexander Shaffer & George Michael now ack. receipt fr. his gdn. "17 Mar 1764....  2 Jul 1764" (R. Thomas Mayhill, LANCASTER COUNTY PENNSYLVANIA DEED ABSTRACTS & REVOLUTIONARY WAR OATHS OF ALLEGIANCE [Knightstown, IN:  The Bookmark, 5th printing 1994, revised and enlarged edition], p. 127) Share this info with other KY rootsweb list, as the counties kept changing boundaries, and one will find Stoner in early records of Fayette and other counties as they divided. I do not subscribe to all KY lists. Michael Stoner died [nuncupative will] in Wayne Co., KY where according to records he was authorized to operate a ferry across the Cumberland River.  His widow Frances Tandy Tribble remarried to her daughter's father-in-law Rev. Thomas Chilton, who predeceased her.  I thik she appears in some of the later records [wills? death records?] as Frances Chetton [should be Chilton}.  Because her youngest son Andrew Stoner took care of her in her declining years, she left her estate to him.  Which seems to have created a controversy--and perhaps a court case--with other siblings.  I do not have the details of all that I am descended from Michael Stoner's grandson,Michael Lowery Stoner, son of George Washington Stoner. I surmise Michael Lowery Stoner took his wife's inheritance (she was one of younger daughters of Overton Harris of Madison Co. and his wife, Nancy Oldham, later Mrs. Anderson Chenault) and migrated to Texas.  In time for his poor wife to die ca 1859 (1860 mortality schedule for Texas), to find himself a landed widow for second wife, and to get himself involved in the Civil War and get himself imprisoned in New Orleans for a time. The Boone Family has a slightly twisted version,but old letters and--a family Bible from second wife--are now in the Texana Collection at one of the libraries at Baylor U, Waco, TX.  There is a letter or two written from New Orleans to his second wife, who had given birth to a son while he was in prison. ________________________________ From: Shirly Winkelhoch <shirl5@mindspring.com> To: 'EVELYN WALLACE' <hdanw@verizon.net>; madky@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, September 7, 2012 12:44 PM Subject: RE: [MADKY] Henry Harris I'm sure it is not your Stoner line, but I picked up a number of men, 3 I think, last name Stoner in Bedford Co. PA.  Shirey, St. Louis