Posting Thomas Harrises wherever I can find them--this just happens to be the vicinity in which the descendants of my Orange Co. Harris line finally settled down and are buried (Pulaski Co., IL). There was a Thomas H. Harris who bought land in Union Co., IL as early as 1818, Preston Precinct taken from the book, History of Union Co., IL Vol I, by George E. Parks: p 140 - seems to had land prior to 1818 - "farther up the river Preston Precinct was settled by Thomas H. Harris, 1111.95 acres..." p 143, between 1825-35: Union Precinct west of Jonesboro along the Miss. River: Thomas H. Harris 40 acres p 198, between 1835-50: Preston Twp: William Harris 40 acres This large book is not indexed but does have good early history of this county. ---------------------------------------------- Another book, History of Alexander, Union, & Pulaski Counties, by Wm H. Perrin 1883 also gives the following on Thomas H. Harris: p 68 - "On the 9th day of January, 1818, the Territorial Legislature concluded the time had come that imperatively demanded that a city be founded here, and on that day it passed an act for the incorporation of the "City and Bank of Cairo in the State of Illinois", the incorporators, consisting of John G. Comyges, Thomas H. Harris, Thomas F. Herbert, Shadrach Bond, Michael Jones, Warren Brown, Edward Humphreys and Charles W. Hunter who had entered a certain tract of land between the Ohio and Miss. Rivers and near the junction of the same. This land included franctional Sections 14, 15, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26 and the northeast fractional quarter of Section 27, Town 17 south, Range 1 west, and contained about 1,800 acres...

For those searching certain colonial families in Hanover Co., go to this website http://www.rootsweb.com/~vahanove/index.html Look for a link to Odds and Ends. The abstractor has taken the Harris surnames from the St. Paul's Vestry Book, and because many records of pre-Civil War Hanove Co. records are missing, this is a great source. Please note the watercourse, if given, or the locality where each Harris appears, because NOT ALL Harisses in colonial Hanover Co. were related. Compare these watercourses with those given for Harris males in the various volumes of Cavaliers and Pioneers (seven volumes to date). These vestry book abstracts should be compared with the writings of Malcolm Hart Harris which appeared in several issues of The Virginia Genealogist. Dr. Harris in his later writings revised some of his conclusions which are found in the History of Louisa Co. {or similar title]. E.W.Wallace I am sending a copy of this to the Gentry list, as several Gentry family members intermarried with Harrises, at least in Louisa Co., V A and perhaps in Hanover Co. and Albemarle Cos., VA. A Gentry or two appears in the vestry book.

Dear Pat: You wrote: I have two Richmond HARRISes. One, the Rev War soldier from Wake Co., NC and another much younger Richmond [b.ca1798] b. VA. The younger Richmond was also in Garrard Co., KY. I would like to separate the early Madison HARRIS families to see how many groups appear. I've tried to work with the Miller book but find that I can't quite get the right feel. I have proof that the older Richmond was b. in Bedford Co., VA. That his father's name was Daniel. That the family moved to Wake Co., NC when Richmond was young. My main question for this line is : Which line does this Daniel represent? The question for Richmond number 2 - Who does he belong to?? I've worked on this line for 10 years and am at the same place I was when I started. I don't have a spouse. Some of his children are: Elizabeth Ann, Harriett Jane, Thomas, Henrietta Mary, Henry, and Andrew Jackson. Any help you can give would be most appreciated. Pat T. MY RESPONSE: Dear Pat T. You are right to question some of the faulty conclusions made by William Harris Miller. Too bad he didn't go to the Madison Co., KY courthouse and check some records before he compiled his vast book--and made incorrect conclusions about many families who settled in Madison Co., KY. I do not do research in Wake Co., NC, and therefore I cannot help you distinguish any Harris families from that area. I do suggest you get a guide for North Carolina research--such as the LDS guide which I believe is online at www.familysearch.org Look for the link labeled something like Research Guidance. This will be a sketchy guide (but too long to print out), but it may give you some idea about what resources are available specifically for North Carolina--such as early land grants. I am fairly sure that Wake Co. was part of Lord Granville's area, and as such, his grants are said to have been in Granville District. Margaret M. Hofmann [note spelling] has several books of abstracts of these Granville grants. Get the citations from the same website given above (Fam Hist Library catalog) and also while in the catalog see what resources are available for Wake Co. for the time period you are interested in. Also check to see when Wake Co. was formed. I have a vague recollection that it was formed from old Orange Co., which has many early records missing--more's the pity!!! Now--about the Richmond Harris who was in Garrard or Mercer Co., KY. These counties are just across the river from each other, and the families intermarried a good deal, as I found out when I was researching my Kemper family of Garrard Co. Here is some info I picked up about Richmond Harris, as I believe he was earlier in Madison co., KY which area now covers six counties, I am told on good authority. 2003 Submitted by E.W.Wallace Mrs. William Breckenridge Ardery in KENTUCKY COURT AND OTHER RECORDS VOL II [Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1979], p. 170 states that Richmond Harris of Mercer Co., KY was son of Frederick Harris of Louisa Co., VA. She gives this excerpt from Kentucky records. Ky. Land Office--Va. Surveys, Bk 11, pg. 87--Wm B. Harris and Jas. Overton's Hrs., assee, of Wm. Stewart, assee of David Tanner, assee of Emanual Kelly, assee of Chas. Patterson, 1800 A, part of a 2000 a. entry, part of Treasury Warrant, 10694, located in Mercer Co., on Kentucky River, adjoining Isaac Winston's survey of 1600 acres on East side, bounded by lines of Winston and Ann Poage, Jan. 24, 1789. RICHMOND HARRIS [this writer's caps] assigns one half of land in within plat mentioned to James Overton, Jr., and desires to register grant accordingly. Feb 25, 1789. Signed Richmond Harris. Note: Richmond Harris was the son of Frederick Harris of Louisa Co., VA, see Franklin Co. Deeds. She adds this information: "Overton Harris, Mercer Co., Ky, Bk. 2 pg. 342-343--Appraisement of estate, Apr. 2, 1803. "Louisa Co. VA Deed Bk G, pg. 422--Frederick Harris of Louisa, appts son, Richard Harris, his atty. in fact to convey his Ky. lands, Mar. 4, 1794. "Richmond Harris to John Overton, Fayette Co., KY., Dt. Ct. Bk. B, pg. 98, Sept. 5, 1798--Richmond Harris of Louisa Co., Va., by attorney, Richard Harris, deeds John Overton of Fayette Co., Ky., 250 A. located in Mercer Co., on South side of Ky. River, consideration of $500.00" (Ibid, p. 170) Comment: If this is the Richmond Harris you seek, and, if indeed his father was Frederick Harris, I believe Frederick Harris was a brother to my Major Robert Harris (wife Mourning Glen [?]) of Louisa and Albemarle Cos., VA. It seems to me that I read somewhere rather recently that Frederick Harris's wife was an Overton. The above citation would lead one to explore that avenue, since Richmond Harris is associated with the Overtons in Kentucky. I believe another Overton female married a Winston. (For a lot of background on these folks, you have to go back to Virginia records.) (By the way, the way I read the Kentucky land grant, the original patentee was probably Charles Patterson. Therefore, the land office in Frankfort KY would have no information on the assignees, but the tax lists will show the current taxpayer, such as any Harris males. Tax lists for Kentucky are generally intact, and sometimes this is the only way you can locate persons in the county. The census-taker missed a few, but the taxpayer generally got his man. If not, the man was triple-taxed, according to the court records. Court records are another great resource.) I have not done a good deal of Overton research--at least of the later generations--there are too many ancestors whom I have not yet researched. However, said Major Robert Harris is said to be (and the evidence is quite strong that it is so) the son of William Harris and Temperance Overton). If indeed, your research indicates there is a strong link to Frederick Harris of colonial Louisa Co., let me know, and I probably can share some citations with you. Sometimes we have to do a LOT of research of original records in order to eliminate persons with a common surname--and I have lots of common surnames in my father's lineage!!! There is a family history or two in the Family History Library in Salt Lake City about the Overtons. Many of these family histories have been filmed, and, generally, they are available on loan from Salt Lake City to your local FHC for a small fee for a limited time. Another alternative is to try to effect an interlibrary loan, but many genealogical books do not circulate. If you are lucky with ILL, you may have to read the book in the library, so that a librarian can keep an eye on you. Many genealogists in the past have been very destructive of books which later genealogists seek. Good luck with your Richmond Harris. Do not overlook old Granville Co., NC records as a resource for a Richmond Harris of North Carolina. Many abstracts of the earliest deeds, wills, court records have been compiled by Zae Hargett Gwynn, by Thomas McAdory Owen, and by Brent Holcomb (early marriages) and lately by Timothy Rackley, whose e-mail address I have. There are lots of Harrises in colonial Granville Co., but I am told they came principally from Surry - and perhaps Isle of Wight Co. - in Virginia. They were not from the same area as the descendants of William Harris and Temperance Overton, whose land was principally in what is now Hanover Co. (formed from New Kent Co.) E.W.Wallace

I am posting this info in hopes it might help someone else. I just got my husband's ggggrandfathers pension records from the American rev. war included was a copy of the marriage an a list of their children. William was born 1762 in Hanover VA KEZIAH born 1861 they think Culpeper Va. they married Jan 19.1785. he died Oct. 2.1825 in Shelby Co. KY she died July 2, 1847. she got the sum of $80.00 per annum on the 7th day of 1844. Their first 3 children Mary tinsley Harris dec. 4.1785 john Harris Oct 4.1787 and David Harris Feb. 14.1789 were all born in Hanover Va. the other children were both in Shelby Co. KY William Harris dec. 1790 Jane w. Harris dec. 19.1792 SAMPSON Harris dec. 27.1794 Austin or Augusta Harris may 6.1797 Jordan Harris Sept. 14.1800 Wyatt Harris June 13.1803 and Henry Harris Feb 12.1806. I do not know how to put stuff up on line and I do not know how to cut and paste so this is the best I can do. Emma a. harris catmaw@aol.com

Opps Should be 1840 Randolph Co. IL Rita Harris r1955w@oregontrail.net Harris, Womack, Peterson Stevenson, Murray, Davis

Anyone working on Edward B. Harris in Randolph Co. IL in 1940? Guy McConnell are you still working on Edward B Harris? Let me hear from you Rita Harris r1955w@oregontrail.net Harris, Womack, Peterson Stevenson, Murray, Davis

While doing some DAR research, I came across a book entitled Record of Marriages in Bourbon County Kentucky for the Period of Years 1785 to 1851 Inclusive, Page 22 I believe this is from a book by Annie Walker Burns, compiled many years ago. It has been filmed by LDS and is on this film number FHL US/CAN Film 851644 Item 4 (I am assuming the b is for bondsman and unless stated otherwise, he has the same surname as the bride. This may be a false assumption. Please double check my work, as there probably are more accurate lists, as this is an old publication. F is for father; mo for mother, of course, usually giving consent, implying bride is underage.) Surname Harris for all Benjamin F. - Harriett, Elizabeth b John - 10/11/1831 Samuel - Anderson, Mary - 3/2/1807 William - Rich, Sarah - 7/30/1793 Richard - Wilson, Franky f. Henry. b. Harvey - 7-29-1816 Nathan - Layton, Margaret L. b. Daniel - 4-18-1824 Hezkiah [sic] - Stokes, Nancy - 9/1/1826 Samuel - Trimble, Jane, mo. Elizabeth - 3/10/1817 There are more recent publications of the early Bourbon Co. marriages, as indicated on the Family History Library Catalog on www.familysearch.org I did not check whether any had been filmed. However, you may be able to initiate an interlibrary loan through your Public Library. Ask--you never know! E.W.Wallace

Source: 1850 Census, North Central Kentucky, Vol. II by Byron Sistler & Associates, Inc. Schedule 157 Harris Overton, age 67 Kisiah, age 22 Matilda, 40 David 19 Susan, 31 Obed 16 Elizabeth, 29 John H., 14 Polly, 27 Nancy, 12 Patsey, 24 Schedule 150 Harris Brinton, age 27 Z.E., age 21 (Female) Schedule 151 Harris John T., age 28 Richard T., 02 Catherine A.,32 Schedule 151 Harris Nathan, age 29 M. E., 04 (Female) Jacintha, 28 Rutha, 02 Nancy Jane, 07 John T. 6/12 Smith M., 06 Schedule 153 Harris John, age 41 Mary A., 07 Elizabeth J., 37 Henry F., 05 Thos. M. 14 John W., 03 William L., 10 Levi, 18 Schedule 197 Harris Felix, age 38 Elizabeth, 03 Margrett, 28 Eliza J., 7/12 John F., 05 Schedule 197 Harris James R., age 25 Schedule 206 Harris William W., age 50 George, 13 Elizabeth, 30 Felix, 11 Levi, 19 Henry, 09 Milton, 17 Benjamin, 03 Julias 15 Mahala, 01 Harris Amanda, age 25 Schedule 207 Harris Thomas, age 47 William L., 15 Selba, 42 Elizabeth, 13 Franklin, 20 Eliza, 11 Mary A., 18 Felix, 09 John T., 16 I know nothing about these people. I ran across them as I was looking for something else. Hope this helps someone. Please make any response through HH or H-KY so that others may be helped. Ira L. Harris III Evansville, Indiana

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Dear Lynnsym, You wrote, in part: My confusion about which Samuel Harris is the grandfather of my proven William P. Harris, b. abt.1800 or 1803 in VA, comes from the fact that at some point someone has entwined information about two or three different Samuel Harrises and connected them to my William P. Harris. In trying to entangle this mess, I have found some small shreds of proof that at least one Samuel Harris who died in Mercer Co., KY in 1852 was probably not connected to William P. Harris. I believe the father of William P. Harris was William Harris also born in VA, but his estimated birth would mean that his birthplace could have been KY. I have no actual proof that these two were father and son, only the fact that both were living a few households apart in the Richland Co., IL 1860 census. Trying to find any information on William has been most challenging since there were so many Harrises everywhere in the mid to early 1800s. I am now trying to sift through Samuel Harrises who had sons named William and if their ages might suggest they could be William P.s father. Suggestion: Sometimes we try to make connections without having sufficient information on which to base a conclusion. If your latest Harris (the one you are convinced you are descended from) was in Richland Co., IL, then I suggest you comb throroughly the records for Richland Co. Sometimes we rely on censuses alone, and that is insufficient evidence, since we rarely know who provided the information. (My German great-grandmother got younger with every census. Shortly before she died, she was about two years old than her son, my grandfather!) For example, I called up the Family History Library catalog [www.familysearch.org] and found that Salt Lake City has numerous films pertaining to Richland Co., including some filmed county histories. The link to the family history library catalog is on the lower right. Do a PLACE search for the appropriate counties. There are millions of films held by the FHL in Salt Lake City--US as well as foreign. I myself rely heavily on land records and probates. In these records, one can frequently find the heirs, particularly if land is involved. I assume, perhaps wrongly, that many persons came to Illinois in the early years to acquire land. I have found some wonderful information in a few OLD Illinois county histories, and in the case of Logan Co., IL, these old [filmed] histories were of immense help because many of Logan Co.'s records burned up!!! I have searched the adjoining counties, like Sangamon, also, and again a county history told a lot about one of my ancestor's cousins--a prominent attorney in Springfield. Also, the State of Illinois has put on the internet many records, such as marriage lists, etc. I have only collaterals (as far as I know) in Illinois, but researching those collaterals was of great help in determining why my migrating to Texas great-grandfather had connections farther north. Seems his sister had married an Illinois resident, and my GGF owed money to that brother-in-law!!! And so on!!! Try this website and look down at the bottom of the screen for a link to lots of Illinois records: http://www.CyndisList.com/il.htm I have not searched tax lists in Illinois (no direct ancestors there, I am thinking) but in Kentucky they are excellent census substitutes--because they are taken each year, and when a fellow is 21, he appears for the first time, if only to pay taxes on his horse (his automobile). Later, the tax lists get more detailed. Look over a list of all the records which may be available for the counties in which you are interested. If you have not used those resources, you are missing a good bet!! Records were created for the government, for the most part, and not for genealogists, so we have to use whatever is available for us. A DAR genealogist taught me in narrowing down persons with the same name: 1. Determine who that person's associates [collaterals] were. For example, if he had a bondsman at his marriage, who was the bondsman? Who were his in-laws? Who did his kids marry? Did they hop a jet to go get married? No--those brides/grooms were generally not too far way away. Who are his neighbors? Is there an old landowners map which will help? Many counties have published these--but one has to hunt for them. 2. For colonial states, particularly in the south, which used metes and bounds in the land records, on what watercourse was the person located? (This won't help in Illinois, but townships are of interest.) Good luck in searching for Harrises. I look for Williamses (from colonial Virginia along the James River), Roses (not every Rose, for heavens sake), Harrises, and so on. You have to learn all the tricks of the trade (well, hobby). E.W.Wallace

born 1807....grandson William F. Harris living with him in 1880 anyone have more info on the family? Also looking for descendents of Bernard B. Harris born1838 in Albermarle Co. Va. and his ancestors. Thanks, A. Land Harris

---------- From: "A. Land Harris" <alandmd@cox.net> To: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/NJ/ Subject: Lancelott Harris in Albermarle Co. Va. Date: Sat, Oct 4, 2003, 10:30 PM born 1807....grandson William F. Harris living with him in 1880 anyone have more info on the family? Also looking for descendents of Bernard B. Harris born1838 in Albermarle Co. Va. and his ancestors. Thanks, A. Land Harris

Dear Oldham and Madison Co., KY researchers--my photocopy of the film is blackened in areas and difficult to read. Will Harris-Hunters try to identify the Richard M. Harris below--his parentage? I recommend that you check, as time allows, either the original or the film. Take a deep breath before you read this. It is quite complex but contains a good deal of genealogical information. Caution: If you do not find these persons in the censuses or tax rolls of Madison Co., KY, please check the census indexes for Missouri. That is where the Ellingtons settled and some of the other Oldham heirs as well. Some of these heirs are from the first marriage of Richard "Ready Money" Oldham (d. June 1836), but most of them are from his second marriage to Patsy Reid, daughter of Alexander Reid, decd. The Patsy Oldham who is a signatory to this deed is the widow of Richard R/M Oldham, the former Patsy Reid. She is later found in the Missouri censuses--Platte Co. She obtained a Rev War widow's pension. Children of the first marriage of Richard *Ready-Money* Oldham to Ursala Duke Williams (the widow Peoples), which marriage took place in Caswell Co., NC, Oct 1786, are as follows, not in birth order: Nancy Chenault (the widow of Overton Harris, now remarried to Anderson Chenault) Ursala Jackson, wife of Hancock Jackson [he became governor of Missouri] Patsy Oldham, wife of Jesse Barnes Goodman Oldham [only son of first marriage], who is said to have been murdered in Missouri. Elizabeth, the widow Clark. (Her husband's given name is unknown.) Question: Can anyone identify Nathan Williams? Is he a brother of Joseph Williams, who settled in Madison Co., KY, migrating from Caswell Co., NC. Submitted by E.W.Wallace >From FHL film 183298 Madison Co., KY Deed Bk 7-134ff This Indenture made this 20 (?) September 1852 between Alpheus Ellington and Tillitha his wife, Alexander R. Oldham, Milton Oldham, Turner Barnes and Frances his wife, Patsy Oldham, James Wood and Sophia his wife, Richard B. Oldham, Richard M. Harris and Louisa his wife, Richard DeJarnett and Polly Ann his wife, Elizabeth Clark, Nancy Chenault, and Anderson Chenault her husband, Patsy Barnes wife of Jesse Barnes, Ursala Jackson and Hancock Jackson her husband and the unknown heirs of Goodman Oldham decd, heirs of Overton H Oldham decd, and the said Alpheus Ellington and Tillitha his wife some of the heirs of Richard Oldham decd of the first part by J. M. Shakelford Commissioner and Nathan Williams of the second part Witnesseth that the said parties of the first part for and in consideration of the sum of Five hundred dollars to them in hand paid the receipt of which is hereby acknowledged and in accodance with the decree[s?] rendered in the case now pending in the Madison County court of Jesse Franklin [& c?] against Nathan Williams & c and the cross pleadings therein of Overton H Oldham [hrs?] against Richard Oldham's hrs. have and do by these presents as heirs of Overton H. Oldham decd and the said Ellington and wife as heirs of Richard Oldham decd grant bargain sell and convey unto the said Williams and his heirs and assigns forever a certain tract or parcel of land lying and being in Madison County on the waters of Otter Creek and bounded and described in a deed of record in the Madison County [court?] clerks office from Richard Oldham's heirs to said Nathan Williams bearing date the 22d April 1839 except however out of the same some 8 or 10 acres lately in controversy between said Oldham's heirs N Williams and Saml Halley and which is deeded to said Nathan Williams by Nathl Oldham. To have and to hold said tract of land with all the appurtenances thereto belonging subject to the exceptions aforesaid unto him the said Nathan Williams and his heirs forever free from the claim of the parties of the first part. And said parties of the first part hereby warrant and defend their title to their interest conveyed as aforesaid in said Shakelford as commissioner aforesaid (who only acts as comr and is in no count to be made responsible) hereto set their hands and seals the date above. Alpheus Ellington Tillitha Ellington Alex R. Oldham Milton Oldham Turner Barnes Frances Barnes Patsy Oldham James Wood Sophia Woods Richard B. Oldham Richard M. Harris Louisa Harris Richd Dejarnett Polly Ann Dejarnett Elizabeth Clark Nancy Chenault Anderson Chenault Patsey Barnes Jesse Barnes Ursala Jackson Hancock Jackson & unknown heirs of Goodman Oldham decd Heirs of Overton H. Oldham decd and Alpheus Ellington & Tillitha Ellington heirs of Richard Oldham decd By J. M. Shakelford, Comr. Richd Dejarnett Polly Ann Dejarnett Elizabeth Clark Nancy Chenault Anderson Chenault Patsey Barnes Jesse Barnes Ursala Jackson Hancock Jackson

Dear Lynn & Other Harris-Hunters, I do not know whether the witness of this deed is your ancestor Samuel Harris or not. But, sometimes one has to round up the usual suspects. This is the transcription of the will of one John White of Madison Co. KY written 1825, and one of the witnesses is Samuel Harris. (Some of these Oldham grooms of these White daughters are probably related to my Oldham family, and I venture to say some of those Tribbles are descended from Rev. Andrew Tribble, an early settler in Madison Co., KY) http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ky/madison/wills/jwhite.txt Tip: A DAR genealogist taught me when searching for a common surname (and you get surprised about how common some uncommon names are), I should do this: Determine who are the associates of the family (whom did they marry, who were their neighbors, etc) Determine on which water course the family lived That is why I find deeds are of great help when searching for common surnames. E.W.Wallace

Dear Lynn (and other Harris hunters), You are confused about whether Samuel Harris on an early taxpayer list for Madison Co., KY is your ancestor. I would have to know about what you have discovered so far, beginning with yourself or your parent and so on backwards in time. But, I really don't have time to do research for others. However, if you suspect that the Samuel Harris in early Madison Co., KY may be your ancestor, this is to tell you he is most probably (always needs to be confirmed by further research in primary records, where possible) the son of Christopher Harris I and Chris's second wife Agnes McCord, formerly of Albemarle Co., VA. Agnes died after the 1810 census. I believe she died without a will, but I need more time to research this LARGE family. Here is some scant information on that Samuel Harris, son of Agnes McCord Harris: Rev Nov 2002 SAMUEL HARRIS, SON OF CHRISTOPHER HARRIS. b. 1 Sep 1777, probably Albemarle Co., VA-d. aft 1809 place unknown. His birthdate, apparently unconfirmed, is taken from DAR application 598925. Those of his siblings and most of the marriages are given, indicating the applicant MAY have used a Bible record. According to a letter from a distant cousin, he died ca. 1840. This needs to be verified. According to marriage records of Madison Co., KY, Samuel Harris lived in Madison Co., KY. He was the father of Agnes McCord Harris. Questionable: He probably is the Samuel Harris who married Sarah Province, 1 Sep 1795. Her mother was mother was Mary Provine [sic], and Andrew Province was bondsman, according to the transcriptions of the marriage bonds by Vockery & Vockery. More research is needed. Other records, not thoroughly examined, are that his wife was Nancy Wilkerson, but this may be a subsequent marriage, or the groom may be a different person. More research needs to be conducted. Note that on 2 Sep 1820, John Province married Anne McCord, John McCord, father of bride giving consent. The McCords no doubt were related to Agnes McCord Harris, second wife of Christopher Harris. Samuel Harris is probably the father of a Madison Co. bride: Agnes McCord Harris m. 2 Feb 1831 to Milton Oldham. [end of my little bio] You may cut through a lot of research, however, if you write to DAR and request a record copy of that old DAR application mentioned above. It will cost you ten dollars and a waiting period, but it may save you lots of gasoline and ordering the wrong books, etc. How much is your time worth? You may download a request for a DAR record copy (a four page application--done a long time ago and probably poorly documented, judging by the number) on this website: www.dar.org Look for a link to Forms. Apparently (but this is only a guess), Samuel Harris did not remain in Madison Co. I find only one early deed in which he is a grantor--and that is when he and some other surviving heirs in 1809 discovered that their father, Christopher, had owned some land (1200 A) in Bourbon Co., of which they, the heirs, were unaware. Samuel and a number of other heirs were selling the parcel. If you are near an LDS family history center, call them up and ask their hours of opening. Few of them have long hours because they are operated by volunteers for the most part. Then, while you are on the telephone, ask whether they have hundreds of microfiche called AIS. This stands for Accelerated Indexing System, and many FHCs have this very helpful rather comprehensive census index for the whole US through the 1850 census. It is full of errors, duplications, omissions, misspellings, etc., but if you find your ancestor, you can forgive. Search 1 of AIS are the earliest censuses plus some tax lists to make up for the largely missing 1790 census. Search 2 will be the next census and so on through the 1850 census. The names are arranged alphabetically, and it includes the whole US--not just one state or territory. Therefore, you can look for the part of the alphabet which includes Harrises and begin looking for Samuel Harrises. I am told that Madison Co. in its beginnings comprised what are now six counties of Kentucky. But the part of Madison Co. in which many of the Harrises and their associates lived adjoins Clark Co. on the north [well, it seems to me that is the way I drove]. Get a current day map and see what you can find. I happen to have a photocopy of an index to the 1810 census of Kentucky for the surname Harris (only). Here are some listings for Samuel Harrises in that year's census: Look at an atlas if you cannot guess what the county abbreviations are for: Samuel Harris ONLY Fay 55 Hrd 290 Saml. P. Mad 250 Saml Jr Bou 69 Saml Senr. Bou 68 So, in 1810, it seems you have to search for only five Samuel Harrises!!! A Samuel Harris and his wife Elizabeth executed a deed in Madison Co., KY Sep 1, 1809. The grantee was James Jones. It was recorded Sep 2, 1809 in DB G-248, 150A Paint Lick Cr. Comment: Since I have not read the deed, I cannot say whether Samuel & Elizabeth were residents of Madison Co.--only that the land was located there, and they sold it. In 1830, there is in Madison Co. deed index (grantor) a Samuel with wife Nancy who is selling other property - 83 1/2 A. Kentucky River. Unless one reads the deeds, however, and does study of other records, such as court records, tax lists, censuses, one cannot draw a definite conclusion about any person's identity. That is what makes genealogy fascinating but frustrating!!! If indeed Samuel Harris of Madison Co. is your ancestor, then he is a brother to my Overton Harris who died 1827 testate, leaving one of my great-grandmothers an orphan!!! E.W.Wallace ..........

Hello, I believe we have corresponded previously. I am a descendant of Christopher Harris, probably the sibling of Rachel Harris. I don't know a great deal about the Daltons although I have gathered some information here and there. Other than the writings of Malcolm Hart Harris, MD (now deceased), have you ever found the name Rachel Harris or Rachel Dalton in any documents? This is about all I have on Rachel: Rachel Harris. The name Rachel Harris is given by Malcolm Hart Harris as one of the children of Robert Harris and his wife Mourning Glenn. To date her name is not found in deeds of Albemarle Co. However, the Daltons may have lived in an adjoining county. On the 1800 tax list for Albemarle Co., Fredericksville Parish, the following "Doltons" appear: Capn. William, Isom. More research is needed. The Harrises who remain in Albemarle Co. are not readily identifiable. (John Frederick Dorman, "Albemarle County, Virginia 1800 Tax List," THE VIRGINIA GENEALOGIST, Vol. 3, p. 6. ) Here are some notes about Wiliam Dalton--at least one of them. There is indication that William Dalton is son-in-law of Robert Harris, but there is no mention of William's wife's name, so I guess it is another of those taking it on good faith: WILLIAM DALTON. (married by 1751, suggesting birth ca 1730 or earlier) The following deed shows Dalton's relationship to Robert Harris of Louisa Co. and sometimes of Albemarle Co.: 25 Nov 1751 I Robert Harris of the Parish of Fredericksville in County of Albemarle for divers good causes and considerations me thereunto moving but more especially for the natural love and affection I have and beareth my Son in Law William Dalton and to his heirs two negro slaves to wit Rhodo a girl and Sampson a Boy and their Increase.. Robert Harris Presence Thomas Walker, Mildred Walker (Deeds adapted from Ruth & Sam Sparacio, DEED ABSTRACTS OF ALBEMARLE COUNTY, VIRGINIA, DEED BOOK 3, 12 FEBRUARY 1761-9 AUGUST 1764 [McLean, VA: The Antient Press, 1988], p. 33) Immediately following the deed of Robert Harris is one executed by Samuel Dalton and his wife to their son William Dalton. 12 January 1762 between Samuel Dalton Senr. and heir Wife Anne of one part and their Son William Dalton, of the other part all that piece of land lying in the county of Albemarle and formerly Louisa and Fredericksville Parish on both sides of the North Branch of the North Fork of James River above the Little Mountains containing estimated 404 acres ... survey taken up and pattented by said Samuel Dalton.. Wolf Trap Branch.... together with one Negro man Slave named Joseph. Samuel Dalton Presence George Martin, Isaac Davis, Thomas Burrus, John Henslee (Ibid., p. 33) Dalton was in Albemarle Co. in 1762. His name appears in DB-? -p. 190, 8 Jul 1762 Jno. Mitchell, Great Britain, and Andrew Shepherd, Orange Co., factor, and merchant, to Wm. Dalton for 30 pds, 277 acres adj. Jno. Enniss. From subsequent deeds on the same date, recorded on adjoining pages, we learn that these same parties bought other lands in Albemarle Co., probably from Dalton's neighbors. The grantors were Gabriel Maupin, William Keaton, Jr. Other Daltons in Albemarle Co. One William Dalton was the son of Samuel Dalton. Samuel patented land in Louisa Co. on the same date, 12 Jan 1746/47, that Christopher Harris patented land in that same county. They were not near neighbors, it seems. Pat. Bk 28-19 Samuel Dalton, 404 acs. Louisa Co. on both sides of the North br. of the North fork of James Riv. beyond the Mountains, Beg. on Wolf Trap Br., on S. side of Jacobs Run; 12 Jan 1746/47 2 pds. (Adapted from Dennis Ray Hudgins, CAVALIERS & PIONEERS, V. V, p. 304) In Albemarle Co. Wills & Deeds 1748-1752 there is reference in a deed 1752 to "Robert Dalton's old field," north side of Rivanna by Lynch's Ford, line of Merriwether, John Clark's moiety. Some Louisa Co., VA deeds show deeds of Saml. Dalton of Fredericksville Par., Louisa Co., wherein his wife Anne relinquished her dower. (DB A-p. 279-280) At a Fredericksville vestry held probably in 1767, there is indication of the location of Dalton's land. "Order'd that Isaac Davis and David Spradlin do procession all the lands the upper side of the River between the Road Crossing at Wm. Daltons the Orange line and upward to Wm. Goldens." (Rosalie Edith Davis, FREDERICKSVILLE PARISH VESTRY BOOK, 1742-1787, Vol. I [Manchester, MO: privately printed, 1978], p 85) Several Daltons filed Revolutionary "Publick Claims." Those from Albemarle were David, Samuel, and William Dalton. Those from Pittsylvania were David and John. There was a William Dalton from Frederick Co. 1783 At a vestry held for Fredericksville Parish at Charlottesville on the first day of March 1783: Present Doctor Thomas Walker, Isaac Davis, Nicholas Lewis, William Sims, Doctor George Gilmer, James Minor, William Dalton & Robert Mechie, Vestrymen. (Davis, Fredericksville Par, p. 122) At that vestry meeting, William Dalton was one of those ordered to "possession" the lands between the river by William Carrs and up the road to Durrets lower line, thence a Cross to Isaac Davis's lower corner and so down to the beginning. (Davis, p. 126) The 1787 tax list for Albemarle Co., VA lists the following Dalton males: "Self" refers to person charged with tax. Col 1=No. of males above 16 and under 21 Col 2=Black above 16 Col 3=Black under 16 Col 4=Horses, mares. colts & mules Col 5=Cattle In this transcription the name is spelled Dolton, not Dalton; however, these are the only ones of this name in Albemarle Co. Dolton, William (Capt.) self 2-7-7-11-16 Dolton, Samuel William Dalton [person charged with tax] Dolton, William self 0-0-0-2-5 Dolton, Isham William Dalton [person charged with tax] ............ From Albemarle Co. Wills, there is another Dalton: Dolton, Timothy. 3 Oct 1755. 10 Feb 1767. Of county of Louisa. After decease of himself and wife Elizabeth all estate to son William. Exr: son William Dolton. Wit: Giles Rodgers and Beasley Meredith. (J. Estelle Stewart King, ABSTRACTS of WILLS, INVENTORIES, AND ADMINISTRATION ACCOUNTS OF ALBEMARLE COUNTY, VA, 1748-1800) Migrations to Madison Co., Kentucky? We lack information on the extended Dalton family; however, it seems that some descendants may have migrated to Madison Co., KY as the names of Daltons appear in the early marriage records. One or two appear earlier in Caswell Co., NC deeds. Possible descendants in Madison Co., KY were: 1. Isham/Isom Dalton (wf. Elizabeth), Marriage records of Madison Co., KY seem to indicate he was: a. Father of Caty Dalton (m. 1818 to James Lainhart; David Dalton, bm.) b. Father of Lucy Dalton (m. 1812 to Jesse Todd) c. Possible father of David Dalton (see a. above) d. Father of Sally Dalton (m. 1822 William F. Daughterty; Elizabeth Dalton, mother of bride gave consent, indicating Isham was probably deceased) 2. Polly Dalton, possibly a sister of David Dalton; he served as bm to her marriage Jeremiah Todd 1817. (Comment: A number of Dalton males are found in Deed Bk 1 of Pittsylvania Co. ca 1768-1769: John Dalton, Robert Dalton, Jr., David. Refer to Lucille C. Payne and Neil G. Payne, PITTSYLVANIA COUNTY, VIRGINIA DEED BOOKS 1, 2, AND 3 (SLC 975.5665 R2p)) Request: If any of you Harris-Hunters find a Rachel Harris or Dalton in the proper place (mainly in Virginia) or in the proper time period, will you please post to Harris-Hunters? Thanks a bunch. E.W.Wallace

Some early Harris settlers [taxpayers] in Madison Co., KY 1790 Surname spelled Harriss Christopher Andrew James Robert Sherwood [originally from Granville Co., NC as proved by 1787 power of attorney from Len Henley Bullock of Granville Co., NC dtd 25 Aug 1787] 1791 Harris Andrew James John John SC [believed to signify that he is son of Christopher; this sort of designation used in other states for tax lists] Samuel Thomas Harriss Benjamin Christopher William 1792 Harrias William Harris Andrew Benjamin Christopher David James John Richmond Samuel Sherwood Thomas Mary Submitted by E.W.Wallace

Caveat: I neglected to write down the deed book and page numbers, but this is one of the earliest deeds in Madison Co., KY, which in 1787 was still part of Virginia. This power of attoreny is found on LDS film 183283: Bullock to Harris I Len Henley Bullock of Granville County, North Carolina appoint my trust & beloved friend Sherwood Harris who is about to move himself & family to Kentucky settlements my true & lawful attorney for me and in my name & to my use .... from William Bailey Smith [which he owes] for cattel by him taken & sold on the western side of the appalachian 25 Aug 1787 Wit: Sam C. Searcy, Charles Searcy, Joseph Moore Comment: Some Searcy family members are later of Madison Co., KY, especially Bartlett Searcy, who has probates in both Madison Co., KY and in Granville Co., NC. His widow Lucy remained with her children in Madison Co., KY. Submitted by E.W.Wallace

Is there a way to determine where this land is located in hopes to determine which David Harris or Harriss this land warrant refers. A territorial map possibly. There are several David Harris' of this time period from Colonial VA.----- I have been unsuccessful identifying a Rev. War record for for David Harriss, born Abt. 1745 in VA; died Abt. 1829 in Newton Co, GA, son of John Harriss and Elizabeth Rickles. He married Elizabeth Unknown. (not Elizabeth Rich ----Catsmaw wrote: Revolutionary Bounty Land Warrants "can some one tell me what this means i found it on line warrant id 4167.0 veteran name Harris David acres 100 soldier unit Virginia continental line branch unknown date 6/5/1786."

Subject: [HH] rev war warrants Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" can some one tell me what this means i found it on line warrant id 4167.0 veteran name Harris David acres 100 soldier unit Virginia continental line branch unknown date 6/5/1786 Response: Try this link for an explanation of bounty land warrants for the Revolutionary War. http://www.genealogy.com/24_land_print.html If you go to the top right of the screen, there will be a link to allow you to print it. Keep this for future genealogical reference. The veteran of the Revolution did not always claim his bounty land. But that did not keep people from migrating. Many a Revolutionary War veteran is buried in a State which was NOT one of the original 13 colonies. E.W.Wallace