as shown, per the info to follow, daniel mckie, jr and michael blocker, who i will also say more about, were purchasers at ellis palmers' 1800 edgefield co, sc estate sale.   ellis palmer/ ann rudd was the brother-in-law of my simcock cannon/ jane rudd, grandparents of my jane cannon harris.   here is the 1771 chesterfield co, va will of my hannah russell rudd, wife of my john rudd, jr of chesterfield co, va, which names my simcock cannon and his brother-in-law ellis palmer as her son-in-laws.   Chesterfield County, Virginia Wills, 1749-1774, edited by Benjamin B. Weisiger III, Will book 2, p. 174, Will of Hannah RUDD written October 2, 1771. Mentions son John RUDD, daughter Avis Whittecar CASHING (CASHON), daughter Hannah CHEATHAM. Grandsons: Russell KENNON (CANNON), Thomas PALMER. Daughters Jane KENNON and Ann PALMER. Nephew Edward STOREY. Sons-in-Laws, Simcock KENNON and Ellis PALMER. Witnesses: Joel CHEATHAM, Wm. RUCKS, Josias STUART, James RUCKS, Wm. MUSE. Hannah Rudd may be a RUSSELL, according to information in Court Order Book 1, Amelia Co., Va, 1735-1746 by Gibson J. McConnaughey. Court held 12 August 1737, if this court order entry describes a family of siblings: Anne RUSSELL, Hannah Rudd, Elizabeth STOREY, William RUSSELL and John STORY made oath they had no allowance for persons imported to this Colony. (Hannah RUDD had a nephew Edward STOREY.)1771     to follow is the 1800 edgefield co, sc will and estate of our ellis palmer, again, showing that daniel mckie and michael blocker were both purchasers of the estate.   actually, as i renoted, it was daniel mckie, jr instead of sr, who was a purchaser of our ellis palmer's 1800/ 1801 edgefield co, sc estate sale.   From: [email protected] Subject: Wills Record Bk 1800-Elles Palmer Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 08:32:33 EDT Page 222 Will of ELLES PALMER of Edgefield Co., S.C...."in order to prevent any disputes that probably arise after my Dessoulution thisn it necessary to make and publish this my last Will and Testament..." "I give to my following chilgren namely, THOMAS PALMER, JOHN PALMER, WHILTY KENNADY, RHODA PORTER, HOCKEY PALMER, ELISHA PALMER and GIDEON PALMER the sum of one shilling each." To granddaughter orphan of RUSSEL PALMER deceased, one shilling sterling. To my daughter JUDAH REESE one bead and furniture and one Iron Pot.." "It is my will and desire that my land whereon I now live and also all my personal property except what I have already given to my daughter JUDAH REESE be sold by me executor hereafter named on six months credit and the money arising from the sale of said property I give and bequeath to my daughter SALLY PALMER, my grand child THOMAS REESE, and my grand child JESSE LIMBACKER share and share alike...my just debts being first paid out of the said money. "My faithful friend CHRISTIAM LEMBACKER" sold executor. Signed 5-8-1800. Witnessed by GEO. SCURLOCK ELLES PALMER RUSSEL PUCKET CALEB NIBBLET N.B. "It is my will and desire that the bed and furniture bequest to my daughter JUDAH REESE in this will be sold by my executor on six months credit and the money arising from the sale thereof to be equally divided between my daughter SALLY PALMER and my two grandchildren THOMAS REESE and JESSE LIMBACKER to them and their heirs and assigns forever. ELLES PALMER Witnessed by GEORGE SCURLOCK CALEB NIBBLET RUSSEL PECKET Recorded 2-11-1801 Page 225 Probate. RUSSEL PUCKET and CALEB NEBBLET testify they saw ELLES PALMER publish and sign this will. Proved 7-18-1800. Recorded 2-11-1801. Letters of Testamentery on the estate of ELLES PALMER, issued to CHRISTIAN LIMBACKER, executore. Issued 7-18-1800. Recorded 2-11-1801. Page 226 Warrant for appraisement of the estate of the late ELLES PALMER, deceaased, as shown by CHRISTIAN LIMBACKER, executor. Warrant issued 7-18-1800, to be returned with an inventory and appraisement by 9-19-1800. EDMOND PULSEY, BENJ. MCCARY, ROBER WILLIAMS and BENJ. MERK appraisers. Inventory of the estate of ELLES PALMER, made 7-24-1800 made by ROGER WILLIAMS, BENJAMIN MCCARY and EDMOND PURSELL, appraisers. Valuation $209.12-1/2. Recorded 2-16-1801. Page 228 Petition of executor CHRISTIAN LIMBACKER to sell goods and chattels of ELLES PALMER 8-9-1800. Sale of property of ELLES PALMER held 9-2-1800. Purchasers:   DANIEL MCKIE, Jr, MICHAEL BLOCKER, WILLIAM GARRETT, MARTIN WADE, ZACHARIAH LUNDY, SALLEY PALMER GEORGE SCURLOCK, JOHN REESE, ELISHA PALMER JAMES CLARK, JOHN MELIN, CHRISTIAN LIMBACKER, DANIEL MARCUS, ABSALOM ROBERTS, JOHN CANADA THOMAS PALMER, MARY RIVERS, GIDEON PALMER ALEXANDER ODEN, LUCY CONNER, HANNAH PUCKIT HENRY WARE, EDMOND PURSELL, GEORGE MOCK   AMASA BAUGH bought 1 Bible and prayer book. 1 old book of Divinity bought by C. LIMBACKER and 1 Psalm book bought by JOHN REESE. to be continued:   belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8-------26910

again, land my charles harris had previously owned with james holley, which bordered on lydall allen, became the property of lydall allen, per the following laurens co, sc  deed, which involved a suit with daniel mckie.   here again is copy of that laurens co, sc deed:   laurens co, sc deed book K, page 186, 1813/ 1817, benjamin nabors, sheriff of laurens co, sc to lydall allen for $50, 150 acres on raborn creek bordered on jonathan downs and lydall allen, former property of charles harris and james holley, sold for fi fa at suit of daniel mc kie on order of judge grimke under hand of j. garlington, clerk.  witnesses:  charles saxon; benjamin smith.  jonathan downs, j.q.   again, daniel mckie was the son of michel mckie, who had also moved from lunenburg co, va to newberry co, sc where he died there in 1814.   this is from the newberry co, sc equity records 1814-1844 by dr sandra lee showing that daniel mckie was the son of michael mckie also of lunenburg co, va.   page 28:  box 5, package 11:  daniel mckie, admin, michael mckie, decd, vs peter moon and wife, susannah, michael satterwhite, james gilliam and wife, sarah, elizabeth satterwhite, alexander mckie, william h. powell and wife, martha; william craig and wife, rebecca.  bill for account.  filed 11 dec 1818.   michael mckie died 1 nov 1814 intestate leaving large amount of personal estate.  he left children: 1- daniel mckie 2-susannah mckie, who married john satterwhite, was deceased, leaving children:        michael satterwhite; susannah satterwhite, who married peter moon; sarah satterwhite,       who married james gilliam; elizabeth satterwhite. 3-alexander mckie 4-rebecca mckie who married 1st william satterwhite; 2nd william craig, who lived outside sc 5-michael mckie, jr died in lunenburg co, va more than 20 years previously leaving one daughter martha mckie who married william h. powell, who also lived outside of sc.   testimony revealed that michael mckie, sr had lived in lunenburg co, va and had left in 1785 for south carolina.  his children in va were: daniel, his oldest son; susanna; alexander; michael; william; salley; and rebekah.   the admin of michael mckie were granted to john satterwhite and daniel mckie in edgefield district.  john satterwhite had control of the entire estate as daniel mckie lived a great distance away. john satterwhite died in september 1817 with michael satterwhite and james gilliam, admin.   the following item also from these same newberry co, sc equity records shows that the same daniel mckie of edgefield dis/ co, sc was also the same daniel mckie of the spartanburg dist.   box 9, package 10, daniel mckie vs william powell, thomas poole, alexander mckie, william craig and wife and james gilliam and michael satterwhite, admn, of john satterwhite, decd. bill for discovery, account, injunction, and relief. filed 3 march 1825.   see equity 5-11.  only new information is that john satterwhite died in 1817.  william h. powell and wife, martha, lived in brunswick co, va.  thomas poole was sheriff of spartanburg dist, sc and daniel mckie also lived in the spartaburg dist.   to be continued:   belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8-------26910  

Harold, No this book only list the name of the person who wrote the will, the year and whether it is a will or an inventory. Those that are listed were in Virginia only. Eleanor ----- Original Message ----- From: "HAROLD D ANDREWS" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 2:12 PM Subject: Re Harris hunters posting > Hi , Does this book have the names of the people named in the wills? My > Claiborne Harris was in Anson County N. C. in at least as far back as > 1800. I was wondering if there might be a will that names a Claiborne so > I can possibly get a line on his parents. From census reports I have > deduced that he might have been born between 1760-65. I have a definite > death date of his son Mumford Monroe Harris at age 28 in 1814 so > Claiborne and his wife Alice could have married between 1780-85. I don't > know if this would be difficult to do and if so thanks anyway. I have > Claiborne's children: James, Sarah, Mumford Monroe, Stephen, Dorrel > Young, (my great grandfather b. 1795) Claiborne (1796) Robert Park,(1804) > Mary, Nancy,(1807) Louisa, Samuel, Wesley. I think James, Sarah and > Mumford M. were probably born in the 1780's. The list except for the > dates given may not be in order of birth. I don't know if Mumford Monroe > was their first or maybe Sarah or James. If any of these names are > listed as the person making the will would you check if a Claiborne is > listed. Since I don't know where he came to Anson Co. from it could be > possible that he came down from VA. The Claibornes that I have checked > out couldn't be him so I have reached a dead end. Thanks. Sarah Harris > Andrews. You may answer, if you like through the Harris Hunters in case > this information might help someone else. > ____________________________________________________________ > Orlando Vacations - Click Here! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nK7u6rRMfXSPomzkryelfSud9nkKEUDNC92yUrSj68ILBbS/ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1577 - Release Date: 7/28/2008 > 6:55 AM > > >

For your information: Louisa Co. Deed Books A & B, 1742-1759, by Rosalie E. Davis p 6 p 72-74 1 June 1743 Richard Blalock of LouisaCo. to Philip Timberlake of same. L30 sterling. 104 acres on lower side of Cubb Creek...William Blalock's corner on lower side of Cubb Creek near the crossing place of the Road...RICHARD HARRIS' line. Richard Blalock Wit: Roger Thompson, Humphry (X) Parish, Jeremiah Glen. 13 June 1743 acknowledged by Richard Blalock. Rachel, his wife relinq. right of dower. p 46 p 341 23 Feb. 1748 (1749) Joseph Fox of Louisa Co., Gent., to Nelson Anderson of Hanover Co., Planter. L50 currt. money. Two tracts containing 261 acres; one tract of 147 acres on lower side of Cubb Creek; the other 114 acres on upper side of Cubb Creek opposite and contiguous to each other. Tract on lower side of Cubb Creek purchased by sd Fox of Humphrey Parish; Anselm Clarkson's corner...lower side of Cub Creek...pine standing by the Road...near the bridge. Tract on upper side of sd creek purchased by sd Fox of Milton Blalock and John Blalock; corner of RICHARD HARRIS' on upper side of sd creek. Joseph Fox Wit: Barttelot Anderson, Thos. Perkins, henry Bibb, Thomas McCredie, David Anderson. 28 Mar 1749 proved by Barttelot Anderson and Thomas McCradie, 23 May 1749 proved by oath of David Anderson p 54,55 p 377-378 13 Jan 1749 (1750) LAURENCE REDMAN of Louisa Co. to David Anderson and Thomas Underwood of Hanover Co. L100 currt. money. All good and chattels belonging to him by an inventory annexed hereto. Goods not to be removed from plantation whereon they now are without consent of sd Anderson and Underwood. Provided sd Redman before 5 Feb next pay L100 currt. money with interest, this deed shall be void. LAURENCE (+) REDMAN Wit: DAVID HARRIS, James Underwood, EDW. (H) HARRIS. Inventory: one negro man named Dublin Price; one negro woman named Moll; 2 feather beds, bolsters, pillows, rugs, blankets and sheets; 4 Iron Potts; 6 Pewter dishes; 6 Pewter plates; 2 chests; 16 cattle; cows and calves; 1 man's saddle. Total L105-10s. 26 June 1750 proved by oath of DAVID HARRIS. p 83 p 498-499 28 Aug 1752 Richard Henderson and Elizabeth, his wife, of Louisa Co., Planter, to John Brook of same. L35 currt. money 100 acres on the north side of the South Anna River in Fredericksville Par.; part of 312 acres bought of RICHARD HARRIS by LAWRENCE REDMAN and conveyed to sd Henderson...William Adams corner on the River bank...Joseph East's corner on the Southanna River...Nelson Anderson's line. Richard Henderson Elizabeth (X) Henderson Wit: W. Norvell, Trifaner (X) Woody 27 Feb 1753 proved by all the witnesses. p 106 - Lawrence Redman in Orange Co. NC by 1755 57-58 16 Jan 1755 LARRANCE (Lawrence) REDMAN of Orange Co. in the Provnce of North Carolina, to Thomas Ballard Smith of Fredericksville Par., Louisa Co. L5 currt money. 400 acres in Fredericksville Par...Majr Morris' line...branch of Roundabout Creek...Goochland Co. line. Lawrence (X) Redman Wit: William Phillips, Elizabeth Smith, Susanna Smith, Charles Francis, Michail Ailstock 27 May 1755 proved by three of the witnesses ____________________________________________________________ Cut the cord from your computer. Click to get the latest wireless access products. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m8bhGj8Gx51fzBnUVaB8MyIJjHMRWREjuZTXSmHdhvSRc0e/

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Sara, I would guess the "Virginia Wills and Administration 1632 - 1800" book it is out of print, but you will find it at AbeBooks.com There is quite a number of them listed and they range from $25.00 to $100.00. Mine is hardbound and 483 pages, pubished in 1977. The Compiler is Clayton Torrence. I think you should be able to find one. Eleanor ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:46 AM Subject: Harris Wills Eleanor, Can a copy of your book "Virginia Wills and Administrations 1632-1800" still be bought. I would love to have a copy. Thanks, Sara ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1576 - Release Date: 7/27/2008 4:16 PM

before i continue i would  still like to reply to e.w and to make some comments.   i also agree that not all of our colonial harris families are/ were related and our harris dna project is showing this.   again, our harris dna shows that it is our harris dna group 8, who is said to trace back to our captain thomas harris of jamestown and his son, our major william harris, who was killed by the indians in 1678 in henrico co, va and who was the father of our william harris/ mary giles b ca 1672 and his brother, edward harris, b ca 1674.   our harris group 8 captain thomas harris dna shows that we are not a harris dna match with harris dna group 6, who are said to be descendants of william harris/ temperance overton.   however, what also makes this such a puzzle is that our captain thomas harris' harris family was also there in new kent/ hanover cos, va the same time as your captain william harris/ temperance overton and, again, also, indicated to have been involved there with the same individual and families.   to make this even more complicated, things that have been written in the past about our harris families are not  and/ or cannot be considered as being totally accurate.   again, my reason for coming on harris hunters and talking about my own harris family and my research and interest in them, besides my own interest, of course, and  the controversy i've encountered, especially in regard to whether william harris/ judith hudson was the father of my/ our william harris, sr/ frances goode,  is that our harris dna does show that we are part of captain thomas harris' harris group 8 harris dna family.   again, although, perhaps not easy to follow and, agreed, not of interest to all of you, i believe that it is significant that i can show these relevant and documented connections re my harris family and other of these same related and associated individuals and families back to other of these same relevant areas where my/ our captain thomas harris' harris family  also lived and who can be shown to have been involved with these same and/ or other relevant individuals and families  in these  same places.   in fact, what i am trying to show, and not easy to do in a linear model with words  (and i know too many words) but, in fact, not an easy model to draw or show period, is that these relevant and documented connections  i am talking about, re my own and our related harris family and other of these same individuals and families, etc, are like these multi-dimensional  circles that spiral and overlap and intersect in the same but also relevant different times and places.   for now, the things i have been and am talking about are based on these two laurens co, sc deeds and property owned in laurens co, sc by my charles harris/ jane cannon, who was the son of my william harris, jr/ frances rodgers, who died in 1799 in laurens co, sc and who was the son of my william harris, sr/ frances goode of lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, va and who is indicated, again, per my research, based on the relevant records and connections, to have been the son of william harris/ judith hudson also of lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, va   again, since our harris dna says that we are part of the captain thomas harris' harris line and family,  and, again, if and as my research and the records show, the father of my william harris, sr/ frances goode was william harris/ judith hudson, and who would have been either the son of our william harris/ mary giles or his brother, edward harris, on back to our captain thomas harris,  it is also important and relevant, again, not just for myself and my immediate family and  our specific harris lines and families to show and talk about all of this as best i can, but of more wider and more general interest and import as well.   again, what i am talking about now in regard to these relevant and documented connections are these two laurens co, sc deed involving land that was owned by my charles harris/ jane cannon, which, again, show these multi-layered connections that, again, still pertain to my  and/ or our related harris family and, again, these same and/ or other relevant individuals not only there in laurens co, sc, but, again, back to these earlier areas of interest re our harris family and these same and/ or  related, associated individual families involved with them.   so far, in regard to these two laurens co, sc deeds involving my charles harris/ jane cannon, etc, i have talked about, this same thomas burton, who was also involved in a previous suit involving this same land and who was the same thomas burton also of lunenburg co, va, son of james burton, sr, whose daughter agnes burton married james hudson, who was the son of peter hudson, sr and who was also the father of judith hudson harris.   to, again, give a somewhat brief example of how multi-connected and involved all of this is, thomas burton married as his first wife, nancy ann perrin, daughter of joseph perrin, who lived on this same twittys creek in lunenburg/ charlotte co, va as edward harris, sr, whose harris descendants are also a harris dna group 8/ captain thomas harris match.     as shown, again, per these lunenburg co, va deeds and joseph perrin's will, joseph perrin was involved there also on twitty's creek with the ligon family, who is the same ligon family as that of thomas ligon/ mary harris, daughter of our captain thomas harris and sister of our major william harris, father of our william harris/ mary giles and his brother, our edward harris.     joseph perrin, who, like our harris family and who was also on this thomas partridge store ledger in hanover co, va,  also moved also from hanover co, va to brunswick/ lunenburg co, va.   the earliest info for joseph perrin is that joseph perrin and christopher hudson,  who, again, was the son of john hudson/ elizabeth harris of hanover co, va, witnessed this 1745 brunswick co, va deed wherein abraham cook, jr sold land to james hester in louisa co, va.   again, this is/ was the same abraham cook, jr, who i have just also recently talked about re these early hanover co, va patents, which show that in 1722 abraham cook, jr had a patent for 400 acres in hanover co, va on a ridge between the northanna and little rivers and in 1723 a william harris also had a patent for 400 acres on this same ridge between the northanna and little rivers, adjacent abraham cook, jr.     again,  besides this william harris, there was also a robert harris and a john harris, who all also had patents, like abraham cook, jr, in this same northanna/ little river area and this, as well as other info i have cited and talked about, per these amelia co, va deeds i cited, would indicate that this william harris; this robert harris; and this john harris were part of our captain thomas harris' harris line and family.   this is also the same abraham cook, jr, who died in 1748 in lunenburg co, va and whose will was witnessed by richard palmer and thomas satterwhite.   again, this was the same richard palmer involved with our david harris/ jane landy richardson and our harris family on cubb creek in louisa co, va and who also moved to lunenburg co, va and who, again, also witnessed deeds there re both my william harris, sr/ frances goode and william harris/ judith hudson.   again, these connections re both joseph perrin  and richard palmer are even more multi-layered and involved.   again, based on these same laurens co, sc deeds involving my charles harris/ jane cannon and this property on raborns creek, and which i have also talked about previously,  it also involves my charles harris/ jane cannon and his brother, our john l. harris with lydall allen, who was the son of charles allen, jr/ lucy bacon who re-married charles smith.   again, lydall allen was the brother-in-law of our john l. harris/ mary allen, brother of my charles harris, etc, and, again, these connections are  also of multi-level interest.    charles allen, jr/ lucy bacon allen smith was the son of charles allen, sr, who can also be shown to have been  involved with james burton, sr in lunenburg co, va, etc, and if i went into further, these connections re the allens, etc, this would also probably be more involved.     charles smith, who re-married lucy bacon allen, was the son of joshua ambrose smith of louisa co, va and although i have not focused on the louisa co, va area, like the lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, va area, this was our captain thomas harris' family also in louisa co, va and, again, i can show, and have, other relevant documented connections re my william harris, sr/ frances goode and william harris/ judith hudson with our harris family in louisa co, va, again, with other of these same relevant individuals and families.   more recently and, again, re these relevant laurens co, sc deeds involving my charles harris/ jane cannon, i have shown that the same saxon family involved with both my harris and rodgers family in laurens co, sc, also trace back to  hanover co, va where they were not only also involved with harris family there, again, indicated to have been our captain thomas harris' harris family there on saxon swamp, but the saxons were involved there with the yancey family, who were the same yancey family, again, not only involved with our david harris/ jane landy richardson there in louisa co, va, but also the same yancey family, who also involved moved to and were involved with both my william harris, sr/ frances goode and william harris/ judith hudson in lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, va.   i am going to talk more about these relevant and involved connections re daniel mckie and the satterwhite family, etc,  which, again, still involves this same land that had belonged to my/ our charles harris/ jane cannon on raborns creek there in laurens co, sc.   i cannot say if i could make this less involved i would because the fact that it is this multi-layered and involved is in itself i think relevant.     i wish i could, perhaps, show and picture all of this easier, etc, but i cannot and i certainly wish i had more of the answers to all of this, but i do not.     to be continued:   belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8--------26910       

TO HH'ers and DNA'ers, Are there any descendants of Benjamin Harris and Rutha Byars/Byers who have participated in the Harris DNA Project? If so, what group are they in? Your help is greatly appreciated. Please respond through HH or H-DNA so that others may be helped. Ira L. Harris III Member Group 6, Harris Y-DNA Family Study Line of Robert Harris of Ware Creek, New Kent County, Virginia

In an effort to aid in our Harris research, I am forwarding an email from The Lost Colony Group email list. Harriet yDNA Group 6 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Roberta J. Estes Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 8:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [TLCGP-members] Hyde County Tax Lists These very early Hyde county tax lists are very interesting. Some of the very earliest documents we have referencing surnames as Native Americans were in Hyde county beginning in 1724. Of these names on this early list, many were colonists or surnames of interest. Some may be misspelled, like Partre may be Patrick or Parre. I've noted them in red. Does anyone have any more info on these folks from this list? Can you track any of them forward or backwards in time? Roberta Hyde Co., North Carolina Tithables, 1740 - 1748 The definition of tithables or polls was first made in 1715 by the General Assembly which enacted that "all Males not being Slaves in this Government shall be Tythable at the Age of Sixteen Years And All Slaves Male or Female, either Imported or born in the Country shall be tythable at the Age of Twelve Years." In 1749, the law was broadened to say: "all and every White Person, Male, of the Age of Sixteen Years, and upwards, all Negroes, Mulattoes, Mustees Male or Female, and all Persons of Mixt Blood to the Fourth Generation, of the Age of Twelve Years, and upwards, and all white Persons intermarrying with with any Negro, mulatto, or Mustee, or other Persobn of mixt Blood, while to intermarry with no other Person or Persons whatsoever, shall be deemed Taxables..." White females were never subject to tithable or poll taxes. [Reference: North Carolina Research, Genealogy and Local History, Edited by Helen F. M. Leary and Maurice R. Stirewalt] The following Tithable Lists of Hyde County, N. C. are filed in Hyde County's Tax Records housed at the Archives in Raleigh, N. C. These are but a few of the Tithable lists available in the Hyde County collection of Tax Records. An asterisk enclosed within brackets [ * ] is used wherever a word or letter is illegible, and a [ t ] within brackets is used to denote a torn spot in the document. A List of Tidibels for the year 1740 (?) Taken by me BENJ MARTIN Mary Martin 1 John Abot (?) 1 Thomas Partre 2 Henry Eborn 3 Nathanal Davis (?) 2 Elezabeth Eborn 1 Abraham Wilkeson 1 Henery Baly 4 Abraham Wilkeson, Sener 5 Benj Mordick 4 Joshua Forman 3 John Partre 1 Isack Jackson 1 William Gray 1 Jacob (?) Gray 1 John Adams 2 John Baley 2 Titus Smith 1 John Jordan 2 Jos Holl (?) 2 [ * ] Cording 2 June [ * ] 1742 A List of Tithables by me East Side Pungo River Margrat (?) Gallaway one tithable Ewd Tison one tithable Mathias Tison one tithable Gilbart Macnary three tithables Abram Wilkisson six tithables Frances Banks one tithable Abraham Easter one tithable William Gidings one tithable By JOHN SMITH, SENR., J. P. A List of Tithables for ye Year 1743 Isreal Winl[t] [t] Henery Eburn 2 [t]onas Squires 1 Benjamin Jewel 2 Wm Denmark 1 Richerd Miller 1 James Barrow 3 Richerd Bevens 3 Thomas Gaillard 2 Isaac Shavana 1 Wm Benston 1 Wm Davis 2 John Mandowl 1 Benjamin Scott 2 Nathl Eburn 3 John Fourman 6 Wm Gorganos 1 David Gorganos 1 Wm Price 1 Wm Jons 1 Wm Garnor 1 Alex Fourman 3 John Chalmars 1 Simon Ellot 1 John Jurden 4 Henery Bayle 3 Harris Youmons 1 Francies Gallaway 2 John Ban 1 Wm Barrow 9 Wm Satterthwite 2 John Adams 2 Darby Selvent 1 Littelton Garmon 1 (No Signature on this List) A List of Taxables for ye Year 1743 John Davis Too taxables Abraham Wilkison 7 taxables Richard Lermont 2 taxables JOHN SMITH [ * ] A List Thables taken in hide County By me ye 1 day of June in the year 1744 Simon Fosque, Jr. 4 Mary Easter 1 Thomas Rew 3 Foster Jarvis 1 Luke Foscue 1 Mary Bell 2 John Sanderson 1 Jonathan Bell 1 Nickless Booty 2 Mary Mason, Jr. 1 John Silverthorn 1 William Easter 1 Gilbt McNary 3 Thomas Mason 2 John Anderson 1 William Bell 1 Baly McCarte 3 John Tules 3 Simon Foscue 1 Nathaniell Tules 1 Roger Mason, Jr. 1 Nathaniell Miller 1 Samuell Jasper 4 William Satathite 2 Keziah Woodhous 3 Abraham Satathite 1 Mary Richards 2 Jarvis West 1 Sabrah Tules 1 John Easter 1 Thomas Gooding 3 John Leath, Jr. 2 ROGER MASON, J. P. Hyde County ye 8 [ t ] 1744 A List of Tidables tacken by me Jos: Tart, J. P. Jon Baily 2 Samuel Sinclar 4 Thomas Barlow 1 William Harriss, Esqr. 4 Jacob Coplin 1 William Barrow 8 [ * ] Foreman 3 Danel Hollon 1 Tho B[ t ] [*] John Light (?) 1 Thos Jordin [*] Peter Haris (?) 2 Jos [ * ] 1 William Adams 1 Lodowick Martin 1 [ * ] Smith 1 Edward Wyn 1 Benjn Mordick 3 Jos: Holloway 2 Robert [ * ] 2 Willm Forman 1 Richard Brice (?) 1 William Martin, Esqr. 2 Thomas Loach 10 William Webster, Senr. 6 Thomas Harvey 1 (?) Jonas Squirs 1 Tho: [ * ] 3 Benjamine Martin 2 Willm More 1 Thomas Baily 2 Richd Laramont 1 [ t ] List of Titbl for the Year 1745 [ 8 ? ] [ * ] by Richd Leirmont, Justice of Peace in Hide N (Nicholas ? ) Gurgainus 1 [ t ] Smith 1 Lodowick Martin 2 [ t ]hos Smith 1 [ * ] 1 [ t ]illiam More 1 [ t ]aria Brown (?) 1 [ t ] Wright 3 [ t ]gamin Martin, Esqr. 2 [ t ] Jordon 1 [ t ]lex Forman 2 [ t ] Kipps 3 [ t ]ams: Batchelder 1 [ t ] Rellem (?) 1 Thos Bailey, Senr. 2 William Benston (?) 1 Jams: Theopl: Dillon 1 George Turner, Esqr. 3 George Fletcher 1 John Silverthorn 1 Frans Gilbert 1 Sabasten Silverthorn 3 Robt Paul 2 William Gurgainnus 1 Joseph Forman 1 John Howrun (?) 1 Thos Jordon 1 Edward Davis 1 Philip Jolley 1 William Webster 7 Thos (?) Bailey, Junr. 1 A List of the Marromus[ t ] Tidables upon Oath for the year 1748 James Baker 1 Luke Linton, Junr. 1 William Brooks 2 Thomas Harris 3 Andrew Allen 5 Joseph Gibbs 1 William Gilgo [t] Robert [ t ]trs 1 Stephan [ * ] 1 Whatman Emry 1 John Lockhart 1 William Spencer 4 James Davidson 2 Partrick [ t ]ooding 2 Henry Hartly 1 Henry Gibbs 6 Zeakel Modlin 1 John Morres 2 Christopher Tow (?) 1 Luke Linton 1 William Coxly (?) 1 Casson Brinson 5 Thomas Walls 1 John Swindell, Senr. 2 James Clayton 3 John Swindell 1 Henry Gibbs, Junr. 3 (No Signature on this List) Capt. Geo. Turners List of Tythables Taken Viz for the Year 1748 John Carron 1 Peter Stewart 1 Joshua Wales 1 George Bell 1 Wm Broning 1 Thos Lowther 8 Wm Cuteral 1 Nicholas Coffoy 1 Tho Wales, Junr. 1 David Jones, Junr. 1 Samuel Silby, Junr. 2 John Little1 1 Morris jones 2 Samuel Silby, Senor 3 Joseph Janet 1 Able Bordine 1 Thos Spencer 1 Thos Loach 8 Matthew Capps 1 John Smith, Junr., Esqr. 4 1748 Joseph Parsons 2 Thomas Rew 6 Jarvis West 1 Thomas Gooding, Senr. 3 John Slade, Senr. 4 Abigall Slade 1 Danll Maning 1 William Hodges Slade 1 James Artree 1 William Inlose 2 William S ( ? ) 4 Richard leath 2 Charis Pringle 1 John [ t ] 1 Benjamin Mason 1 John [ t ]. Junr. 1 Richerd C[t]owson 1 Thomas Loach 1 William Jenatt 1 Ezekiel Richards 1 John Tule 4 Giles Williams 3 Willoughby Richards 1 Benjamin Russell 3 Thomas Mason, Senr. 2 William Silvester 5 Thomas Mason, Junr. 1 Richard Wood 1 John Mason 1 Hezekiah Slade 1 Roger Mason, Junr. 1 Samuell Jasper 6 Saberah Tuley 2 Jarvis (?) Smith, Senr. 2 Abraham Easter 1 Benjamin Jewell 3 George [ t ]ll 1 John MacWilliams. Junr. 1 William [ t ]oon 3 Thomas [ t ]aster 1 Foster Jarvis 3 Jonath[ t ] Bell 1 Nathaniell Tuley 2 The above List of Tithables was Taken by me Anno Dom 1748 JOHN SMITH, JUNR., J. P. Source: High Tides, Volume XI, Spring 1990, Number 1, pp. 17-21

I have the book "Virginia Wills and Adminstrations 1632-1800. I was going to post the Harris's, but there are 4 columns of about 60 names per column, so I think it would be better if I volunteer to do lookups. Eleanor Homewood [email protected]

Dear Belva and other interested parties. To date, I have found no link between the Harrises of colonial Louisa Co., formerly of Hanover Co. and probably prior to that of New Kent Co. and those Harrises of Amelia Co. According to the FHL catalog [my online quick research tool] and a PLACE search, this is about the formation of Amelia Co. - formed in 1734 from Prince George and Brunswick Co. Amelia Co. seems a *fur piece* from the folks along the North Anna River in Louisa Co. According to some historians, life *below the James* was considerably different from that *above the James*. (Guess I had better take a history course in Virginia, which I have done from time to time at Elderhostels.) I am no historian, but it seems that the area south of the James began to be settled and this the counties formed when the demand for tobacco warranted persons moving there and developing the land. I believe Landon C. Bell writes about some of the difficulties which beset the *pioneers* south of the James, but it has been some time since I read at his books! Some genealogists, who have become historians because of this crazy hobby, stress that most of the transportation in Virginia's early years was by water. Roads were bad, and, even now, this person from drought-stricken California considers Virginia beset by rains. I have nearly drowned in rainstorms in Alexanderia, in Arlington, and in Washington, DC. (I am old enough to remember my mother driving on muddy roads to go see her parents in an very rural area and getting stuck in the mud, etc.!!! I remember men working on those same roads with mules and primitive, to us, road equipment. I envision parts of Virginia, which has much more rain than those of us West of the Mississippi encounter, were not easy to traverse.) Unless one can show me documents about the relationship of persons in colonial Amelia Co. to those in colonial Hanover and in Louisa Co., I would question any relationship of those Harrises. I cannot believe all Harrises in colonial Virginia were linked!!! I have so many common names in my lineage, that I have been disabused by Christine Rose of the Rose Family Association that all colonial Roses were linked!!! I do recall, however, that by Virginia law, the land went to the eldest son, and his name did NOT have to be mentioned in a will. With Major Robert Harris, colonial surveyor of Louisa Co. in its early days, and prior to that member of House of Burgesss, he acquired enough land that he seems to have given his sons land. To his sons-in-law, he gave slaves. I deduce from the records that Tyree Harris, his eldest son, however, was a speculator at heart, and he headed to colonial Orange Co. NC, and I even find that he had an early patent for land in Anson Co. He died testate in Caswell Co., NC. Some of the Harris-Hunters are linked to his descendants. It seems from the extant records that Major Robert, almost certainly the son of William Harris and Temperance Overton, was entrenched in the politics and the land ownership in Louisa Co., part of which became Albemarle Co. I will keep on the *back burner* the folks in colonial Amelia Co., but to date, I do not think there is a linkage. Have some chores to do now. Thanks for provoking some discussion about those Southland Harrises!!! E.W.Wallace **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

this is also going to be quite involved.  so, again, i am going to talk about and, then, cite the info.   again, per the laurens co, sc deed i have cited in the past and recently, my charles harris/ jane cannon, son of my william harris, jr/ frances rodgers, owned land in laurens co, sc with james holley, which bordered on lydall allen and which had involved a suit with thomas burton.   again, thomas burton was the son of james burton, sr of lunenburg co, va whose daugher agnes burton married james hudson, son of peter hudson, sr, who was also the father of judith hudson harris.   per another laurens co, sc deed, again, this same land which belonged to my charles harris and james holley became the property of lydall allen, which involved a suit with daniel mc kie of the spartanburg district.   daniel mckie was the son of michael mckie who had moved from lunenburg co, va to newberry co, sc and died there in 1814.  at this time, daniel mckie was in edgefield co, sc.    in looking for info on daniel mckie in edgefield co, sc, i found that daniel mc kie was one of the purchasers of the estate of ellis palmer.   ellis palmer/ ann rudd, who died in 1803 in edgefield co, sc, was the brother-in-law of my simcock cannon, jane rudd, daughters of my john rudd, jr/ hannah russell of chesterfield co, va.   again, simcock cannon/ jane rudd were the grandparents of my jane cannon harris.   another purchasers of ellis palmer's estate sale was michael blocker.  he was the father of redden blocker, who was enumerated adjacent my archibald harris/ elizabeth carter per the 1834 ga state census cobb co, ga.   i have corresponded with someone in the past, who told me that both redden blocker's 1st and 2nd wives were harrises, who she believed were sisters.     sorry to say, she did not know more about them, but this info definitely indicates to me that the harris wives of redden blocker must have definitely been somehow related to my charles harris/ jane cannon and my arch harris/ elizabeth carter and possibly younger sisters of my charles harris/ jane cannon.   to return to the mckies, again, daniel mckie' s father michel mckie, who was also from lunenburg co, va, again, died in 1814 in newberry co, sc and this was also michael mckie's daughter  susannah mckie who married john satterwhite.   the satterwhites were also from brunswick/ lunenburg co, va also to laurens/ newberry cos, sc.   this was also the same satterwhite family inter-involved with my goode family.  our samuel goode, son of my mackerness goode, sr and brother of our mackerness goode, jr, married jemimah davenport, whose sister rebecca davenport married bartlett satterwhite.   they were the daughters of joseph davenport, who moved from granville co, nc and died in 1791 in newberry co, sc and the lunenburg co, va deeds for joseph davenport and the satterwhites show their connections with the mitchells and other of these lunenburg co, va individuals and families.   it was thomas satterwhite and richard palmer, who witnessed abraham cook, jr's 1748 lunenburg co, va will.   again, per the info i have cited, richard palmer was not only involved with our david harris/ jane landy richardson in louisa co, va and our harris family on cubb creek, but, again, richard palmer, who had also moved to lunenburg co, va also witnessed lunenburg co, va deeds re both my william harris, sr/ frances goode and william harris/ judith hudson.   this abraham cook, jr, who died in 1748 in lunenburg co, va, had moved there from hanover co, va.   per the hanover co, va patents, abraham cook, jr had a patent in 1722 for 400 acres on a ridge between the north anna and little rivers near john harris, edward garland, john perkins, and james sutor.   in 1723, also per these hanover co, va patents, william harris of hanover patents 400 acres in same between the northanna and little rivers, adjacent the land of abraham cook, jr and new market tract lines.   this is where i think malcolm harris and others, to follow, have gotten this wrong.     he believed that captain william harris/ temperance overton was the same as william harris, gent, and i believe this william harris, gent, per the patent below, was ours, and that this harris family in this northanna and little rivers/ new market tract area was our captain thomas harris' family and not that of captain william harris/ temperance overton.   william harris of hanover, gent, patents 76 acres on north side of little river, corner of new market line, march 24, 1725.   captain william harris/ temperance overton, who is also called, gent, had patents for land on the south side of the little river----not the north side------as shown per these patents.   captain william harris of hanover pays 30 shillings for 266 acres on the south side of the little river at the mouth of byers' branch running to his own land, march 24, 1725   here is another:  william harris, gent, hanover, patents 76 acres on the south side of the little river near john glenn and new market lines.   both these deeds for william harris, gent, mention this new market line but, as shown, one william harris, gent, who would have been captain william harris/ temperance overton, shows that his patent was still on the south side of the little river.   whereas the other william harris, gent, who is indicated to have been ours and part of our captain thomas harris' family, his patent, which also metions the new market tract, was on the north side of the little river.   in 1728, robert harris is also shown to have had 400 acres between the north anna and little rivers also adjacent cook's lines.   again, these deeds and patents, cited previously, definitely show that we do have a robert harris, again, as part of our captain thomas harris' family.   again, i want to continue to compose and to post for now these mckie/ satterwhite connections, etc, re my harris, goode, and cannon families.   again, perhaps others can study and look at these deeds/ patents and reply.   to be continued:   belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8------26910        

first, of all, thanks to e.w. for her reply but i think we really need to continue to look and study all of this.   so, in reply to e.w. i am going to put a post on here that i did not intend to post as yet.   i plan to continue to talk myself for now about these mckie/ satterwhite connections re my harris/ goode/ and cannon families but in my very first post in regard to these connections, i also talk about these hanover co, va patents.   e.w., i am not quite sure how you can say that there was no connections re these hanover co, va/ louisa co, va families with the amelia co, va, etc, families when these amelia co, va deeds i just cited re robert harris and david harris confirm that there were.   "Unless one can show me documents about the relationship of persons  in colonial Amelia Co. to those in colonial Hanover and in Louisa Co., I  would question any relationship of those Harrises.  I cannot believe all  Harrises in colonial Virginia were linked!!!  I have so many common names  in my lineage, that I have been disabused by Christine Rose of the Rose Family  Association that all colonial Roses were linked!!!" Amelia Co. DB 2 p 332, 26 November 1745, David Harriss, planter, of St. Martin's Ph., Hanover Co., to Benjamin Harriss, planter, of St. Martin's, Louisa Co., for 35 pounds, 387 acres on both sides of Vaughans Creek, granted to David Harriss by patent 16 Sep 1740. David Harriss, Witnesses: Robert Harris, Thomas Panlett, Wm Snelson, James Johnson, James Yancey, William Price, Benja Dumas   also:   23 June 1748 Robert Harris of St. Martin Parish, Hanover County to Thomas Harris of same for £25, 400 acres in Amelia County on the south side of the North fork of Falling Creek. Bounded by: Randolph ’s line, Harden’s line. Robert Harris Witnesses: George Harris, Stephen Harris, Harrison Deprieart/ Depriest (Amelia County Deed Book 3, page 92-94)   i understand that my posts are long, involved, and not easy to follow but i have also talked a lot about these connections re our captain thomas harris' family there in hanover/ louisa co, va and these same individuals there associated with them also with my william harris, sr/ frances goode and william harris/ judith hudson there in lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, va.   again, i think we need to continue to look at and to study all of this and, again, see also my post to follow.     belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8-------26910

FYI Source "Over The Mountain Men Their Early Court Records in Southwest Virginia" by Anne Lowry Worrell in 1934. Franklin Co. Samuel Harris m Drucilla Huff 4 Sep 1793 Grayson Co. Charles Harris m Jane Kigas 7 Nov 1833 Pulaski Co. Jacob Harris m Mariah Stewart 12 May 1841 Roanoke Co. William Harris m Sarah E. Muse 16 Feb 1843 There were no Harris marriages listed in this book in Bedford Co. These 5 counties were the only counties listed. Eleanor Homewood

      e.w.   i do not know what the answers are to these questions re our different harris families.    our harris dna says that our captain thomas harris line and family is a totally separate harris line and family with a different haplotype from that of your captain william harris/ temperance overton, with the condition that those of us who have submitted our dna have our paper trails accurate.   since we have a number in both groups, who have submitted their harris dna and genealogies, then, it would seem that for the most part we do have accurate paper trails and/ or enough so to, again, show that we are not the same harris families.    again, i do not think we can totally count on what has been written in the past re our harris families as being totally accurate.    are we, for example, looking at these patents and/ or interpreting them accurately, etc?   obviously, it is very confusing to try and sort out all the william harris but, also, what about the robert harrises.  how many robert harrises are we talking about and which was which, etc?   what i find curious is that so many of these families, who are thought to have been associated with your captain william harris/ temperance overton, are shown to have been also associated also with our captain thomas harris' line and family, including your williams family.   so, was our captain thomas harris family that involved with your captain william harris/ temperance overton and these same individuals and families?   again, i do not know the answers for now.   i am, also, looking at these early va patents and i want to cite several for the robert harrises and  also one for this benjamin harris.    based on the deeds and info i have seen and cited, these harrises re these patents i am going to cite would certainly seem to belong to our captain thomas harris family.   BENJAMIN HARRIS, 787 acs. Amelia Co. on both sides of Vaughan's Cr., adj. Holland & Stoval; 10 Sept. 1755, p. 745. 2 Pounds. 387 acs. part gtd. David Harris [PB 19, p.782] by our letters pat. 16 Sept. 1740 & 400 acs. the Residue never gtd. DAVID HARRIS, 387 acs. Amelia Co. on both sides of Vaughans Cr., adj. Holland & Bartholomew Stovall; 16 Sept. 1740, p. 782. 2 Pounds   ROBERT HARRIS, 400 acs. Amelia Co. on the S side of the North fork of Falling Cr., adj. Randolph & Harden; 1 Aug 1745, p. 335. 2 Pounds ROBERT HARRIS, 400 acs. Amelia Co. on the S side of Appamattox Riv., adj. Henry Chiles; 1 Aug 1745, p. 346. 2 Pounds EDWARD HARRIS, 400 acs. Amelia Co. on both sides of Harris's Cr., adj. Venable; 20 Sept. 1745, p. 570. 2 Pounds here is one which talks about both robert harris and benjamin harris, which i am not as sure about.     BENJAMIN HARRIS, 699 acs. Louisa Co. on both sides of Hickory Cr., Beg. at Dumas & Browns former C., on the Orphans Line {Orphans of Hugh Owen}, adj. Benjamin Brown; 5 Mar 1747/48, p. 256. 1 Pound 10 Shillings. The sd L. being formerly grt. Jeremiah Dumas by pat. 28 Sep 1728 (PB 13 p. 468} for 400 acs. but upon a Survey lately made by Robert Harris Surveyor of sd Co. is found to contain 699 acs. the Right & Title of which is since become vested in the sd Benjamin Harris   however, here is a deed again re our david harris/ jane landy richardson to this same benjamin harris, per the patents i just cited and who are indicated to have been ours and, as shown, this deed was witnessed by a benjamin dumas;  james yancey; and william snelson.   again, per the info i have posted recently, this same snelson/ dickinson/ barksdale family was involved with my william harris, sr/ frances goode in lunenburg co, va and, even, more recently, the info shows that this was the same yancey family also significantly involved with my william harris, sr/ frances goode and william harris/ judith hudson also in lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, va and if your consider that samuel saxon's wife was a yancey, then, again, these connections continued on into laurens co, sc.   Amelia Co. DB 2 p 332, 26 November 1745, David Harriss, planter, of St. Martin's Ph., Hanover Co., to Benjamin Harriss, planter, of St. Martin's, Louisa Co., for 35 pounds, 387 acres on both sides of Vaughans Creek, granted to David Harriss by patent 16 Sep 1740. David Harriss, Witnesses: Robert Harris, Thomas Panlett, Wm Snelson, James Johnson, James Yancey, William Price, Benja Dumas   i have  more i would like to say about these patents later but, first, i would like to talk about the mc kie connections, which involve not only my harris and goode family, but also my cannon family and which also point back to these lunenburg/ brunswick co, va/ louisa co, va, etc, connections as well.   in fact, what i am going to talk about re these mc kie connections, etc, relate also to my interest in these early hanover co, va patents.   maybe others have thoughts and info they have noted to share?   to be continued:   belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8--------26910

James, I just checked some old emails from 2004 and realized that I was one of the two financial contributors for your uncle's Harris DNA testkit. Small world isn't it?   Anyway, it looks like that means your Harris ancestors are DNA group 30 which now consists of three members including your uncle. It looks like the other two teskits in group 30 trace back to a Joseph (aka Josiah) Harris m Nancy Morefield in 1824 Patrick Co, VA. Am I reading all this correctly so far?   Anyway, do you have any theory's on why there are so few Harris males in group 30 if that line does in fact go all the way back to early Jamestown, VA? In contrast, Group 4 has right at 30 testkits in it. I realize that this is not a truly scientific sample or comparison. However, it is rather curios looking at first glance. You thoughts? A polite pondering on your part will be fine. Just please hold off on any emotional outbursts if you don't mind.   John

Hanover County, Virginia Court Records 1733-1735 p. 14-15 INDENT. 1 Feb 1733 Robert Harris of Hanover Co. to Benjamin Harris of Co. afsd; 40 pds. sterling money; 256 a. on both sides of north fork of Little River bounded by the lines of Stephen Pettus, John Garland, William Mullin, Benjamin Brown, William Harris and Benjamin Byb. [my note: aka Bibb] Robert Harris Wit: Thomas Dickinson, James Harris, Richard Harris 1 Feb 1733 ack. by Robert Harris p. 15 INDENT. 1 Feb 1733 Benjamin Harris of Hanover Co. to Robert Harris of Co. afsd. 40 pds sterling money of England; 256 a. left him by the Last Will and Testament of his father, William Harris dec'd. being commonly known by the name of Walkers Neck. Wit: Thomas Dickinson, James Harris, Richard Harris 1 Feb 1733 ack. by Benjamin Harris Benjamin Harris (Source: Rosalie Edith Davis, Hanover County, Virginia, Court Recods 1733-1735: Deeds, Wills and Inventories [Manchester, MO: Published by author, 1979], p. 4-5) According to the map in cited book, Little River empties into the Pamunkey River which in the western section is called the North Anna River. Creeks or watercourses emptying into Little River, according to the map, are/were Long Cr., Henson, Locust, Beaverdam. Little River lies between North Anna river on the North and Newfound [or New Found] River on the south. >From Nell Marion Nugent, CAVALIERS AND PIONEERS, Vol. III 1695-1732 (Richmond, VA: Virginia State Library, 1979, Second impression 1986), p. 330 Patent Bk No. 13 ROBERT HARRIS 100 acs. (N.L. [new land]), New Kent Co.; on the New Found River corn. of Col. Henry Duke; 16 June 1727, p. 149. 10 shill. Note: Hanover co. was formed from New Kent Co. Other Harrises listed in the index of Mrs. Davis's book on Hanover Co. (a burned county): David Edward Elizabeth [I have pencilled in wife of James] George J. James John John Jr. Mourning Richard [many references] Robert [many references] Robert, Jr. Sarah Stephen Thomas William [many references] Harris's Ordinary James Overton is listed in the index. Questions: 1. Is this Robert Harris of Hanover Co. the one who is later surveyor in Louisa Co.? Louisa Co. was formed in 1742 from Hanover County. There is a Hanover Co. document witnessed by Robert Harris and Mourning Harris as well as Richard Harris dated 3 Jul 1735--Hugh Hogan of Hanover co. to William Munkass of sd. Co. 2. Is Benjamin Harris in above deed Robert's brother? If so, is William Harris dec'd the father of both men? 3. The other Harris males are William Harris [may refer to the deceased father of Benjamin]. also witnesses James Harris and Richard Harris. Are James and Richard brothers, cousins or what relationship? There are other surnames in these few abstracted records which are associated with this particular Harris family: Brown, Benjamin & John Crawford, David Dabney, Cornelius, George, John Dumas ? Gentry, James,Nicholas, Samuel Glen, (Glinn), Jeremiah & John Jouet Overton [as noted] Pettus Rodes Your research will help me--and others of course! Remember, these records cover only two years. Hanover Co. records, besides patents and a vestry book, are among the few early colonial records extant. Thanks. E.W.Wallace **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

again, here is the laurens co, sc will, etc, of charles saxon, son of samuel saxon, whose daughter sally saxon married our john leander rodgers, brother of my frances rodgers harris, wife of my william harris, jr, who died in 1799 in laurens co, sc, son of my william harris, sr/ frances goode of lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, va.   again, john leander rodgers and my frances rodgers harris were the children of my john rodgers, sr/ esq/ margaret mc nees also of lunenburg/ charlotte co, va and who had also moved with other of my related rodgers families also to laurens co, sc ca 1770.   Entries: 45171    Updated: 2008-07-12 22:37:13 UTC (Sat)    Contact: Ron ID: I01780 Name: Charles SAXON Sex: M Birth: BEF 1734 Death: JUN 1816 in Laurens, SC Note: Witnessed deed 22 Dec 1755 Edgecombe Co., NC, along with Benjamin SAXON (from William & Judith MOORE to Abram BARNES (see Halifax Reg. Book 2, page 406). He must have been at least 21 years of age by this time. 13 June 1759--Charles & wife Judith grantors of 180 acres (Halifax Co., NC Deed Book 7, page 55) 3 Oct 1761--granted 400 acres on Beaver Dam Creek of Rocky River in Orange Co., NC. May 1765--appointed overseer of road (Orange Co. Court, Minutes May Court) 5 Aug 1768--Signed petition of Regulators to Gov. TRYON at Hillsborough 27 Dec 1773--Charles SAXON buys land on Bush River, present Laurens Co., SC Feb 1781--presumed son Ambrose Joshua SAXON marries cousin Nancy MILLS in Wake Co., NC 12 Mar 1785--listed among first Justices of Laurens Co., SC At the Court House, rooms of Clerk of Court, is found the first written record of a court for Laurens in Book I, page1, dated 12 Sept. 1785. The gentlemen Justices were: Jonathan Downs, James Montgomery, Silvanus Walker, William Mitchelson, Charles Saxon. On 15 May 1792 Samuel Saxon sold four acres to "The Judges of the County Court of Laurens, to wit: Jonathan Downs, John Hunter, Thomas Wadsworth Esquires, for the use of the County Court of Said county," also the right to use a certain spring. The price paid was two guineas. [Laurens County. S. C. Deed Book A, 1785-1786 as transcribed by Rev. Lucas] pp 76-83: 12 Sept. 1785-10 Oct. 1785 Charles Saxon and Judith, his wife, of Laurens Co., sold to Benjamin Jones of same place for 102 pds sterling 200 acres lying on Bush River, a branch of Grate Saludy River. Bounded by lands of Augustine Warner. Orig. granted to Henry Neily bearing date 25 Sep. 1766 and by Henry Neelly and Elizabeth, his wife, 25 Jan. 1773 to James Young and James Young and Ann, his wife, 27 Dec. 1773 to Charles Saxon and now to Jones. Wit: William Cate, Samuel Saxon. Lewis Saxon, J. P. .......... [This shows that Charles & Judith were in what is now Laurens Co. by January 1773] Will of Charles SAXON. Sr. (Laurens SC; dated 2 June 1816; died before 1 July 1816] All property to be managed & disposed of by my Executor in the following manner: Money due me from Polly ANDERSON (my daughter) to be divided equally between Polly ANDERSON widow of George ANDERSON, dec'd, Sally RODGERS (my daughter), and Sally McNEES (widow of my son Lewis SAXON, dec'd), and my grandson Charles SAXON, Jr. The money due me from Ira ARNOLD & Allen SAXON I give to my grandson Charles SAXON, Jr. aforesaid. And so much of the annuity as will be coming to me from the Estate of Lewis SAXON, dec'd, I desire to be paid to Sally RODGERS and taken into consideration as so much paid for her trouble in waiting on me in my last sickness. And what is due me from Charles SAXON, Jr. I release unto him entirely conformibly to our agreement. What is due me from Lucinda BRONLE (BROWNLEE?) and from any other person I desire to be collected and appropriated to the discharge of what little debts I owe which are to be settled in the first place before any distribution. My Bed, bedclothes, waring apparel, saddle & bridle, & (___?___) I wish to be sold and my money divided equally between the person above named viz. Polly ANDERSON, Sally RODGERS, Sally McNEES, and Charles SAXON, Jr. And to carry this my last will & testament into execution I do appoint and ordain my grandson Charles SAXON, Jr. my Executor. Witnessed by: --Charles SAXON, Sr. Jonathan DOWNS Ezekiel (X) MATHEWS, Sr. Rebekah (X) MATHEWS Father: Samuel SAXON b: ABT 1699 in VA Mother: (prob.) unknown YANCEY b: ABT 1712 Marriage 1 Judith SMITH b: ABT 1734 Married: BEF 1754Children Samuel SAXON b: BEF 1766 Hugh SAXON b: 26 NOV 1754 Mary "Polly" SAXON b: 29 SEP 1756 Ambrose Joshua SAXON b: ABT 1760 Lewis SAXON b: 10 DEC 1761 in Halifax or Orange Co., NC Sarah SAXON Tabitha SAXON b: 10 DEC 1764 in NC   belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8----------26910

here and, to follow, are the halifax co, nc and laurens co, sc wills, etc, of samuel saxon and his son charles saxon by ron head, who has been very involved and continues to do research on the saxon family.   Entries: 45171    Updated: 2008-07-12 22:37:13 UTC (Sat)    Contact: Ron ID: I01891 Name: Samuel SAXON Sex: M Birth: ABT 1699 in VA Death: BET FEB AND JUL 1766 in Halifax Co., NC Note: Probable residences of Samuel SAXON: ca 1699-1704 New Kent Co., VA (St Peter's Parish) 1704-1720 New Kent Co., VA (St. Paul's Parish--created 1704 fm St. Peter's) 1720-bef 1738 Hanover Co., VA (St. Paul's Parish) by 1738-through 1757 Edgecombe Co., NC by 1761-1766 Halifax Co., NC Notes from GedCom sent me by Cheryl (SAXTON) HUGHES [ [email protected] ] on 14 Feb 1999: Samuel and William (sons of John) Saxon were listed as freeholders of land in St. Pauls Parish of New Kent Co. along with Charles Yancey. St. Paul's Vestry book page 256 dated.10/10/1719. William Sexton listed as processioner in St. Paul's Parish.Wm Sexton/S.Sexton/C Yancey freeholder. 8/10/1719 Vestry book St. Paul's Parish, Hanover Co, VA 1706-1786 page 256. Samuel A. Saxon 1699-1766 New Kent, VA believed to have married a Miss Yancey about 1717. "Martin and Allied Families" by Lillie M. Grubs. 1729-Samuel Saxon was listed as having adjoining land to Charles Yancey and John Daniel in Hanover Co, VA Patent book 13, page 411 9/27/1729. 1735-Samuel Saxon & Charles Yancey still neighbors. Vol. 21, page 61 William & Mary Quarterly Hanover Co., VA. 1735-Samuel Saxon listed as being adjacent to Acheleus Yancey's, son of Charles Yancey, horsepen & also adjacent to Garland in St. Martin, Hanover Co, VA. Vol 21, page 61, William & Mary Quarterly (7/3/1735). 1738-Samuel Saxon was in Edgecombe Co, NC where he purchased 250 acres of land from John and Sarah Patterson on the South side of the Morotock (Roanoke) River. NC Registry Book 1, p.327 Halifax Co, NC dated 2/19/1738. adj Killingsworth/Smith/Melton. 1748 Samuel and Mary Saxon sold 100 acres on the S. side of Morattock (Roanoke) River for 20 lbs to Thomas Green, son of William and brother in law of Benjamine Saxon. wit. Benjamine Saxon(Samuel's son), Hugh Hardy, son-in-law of Samuel Saxon, and John Green brother of Thomas Green. NC Hallifax Registry Book 3, p.260 dated 8/18/1748. Samuel and Mary Saxon sold 150 acres at the mouth of Spring Branch to Joshua Tatum. This land joining Killingsworth, Weldon, James Smith and Samuel Saxon, where the said Joshua now lives. NC Halifax Registry Book 4, page 389 dated 2/17/1753. Samuel and Mary Saxon purchased 330 acres on the West side of Elk swamp from Jacob and Mary Whitehead. The land ajoined the mouth of Little branch Bear marsh, Beaverdam Swamp and Piney Island. NC Halifax Registry book 4, page 451 dated 12/20/1753 (80 lbs stearling) wit. I Edwards/R Brinkley. Samuel Saxon was received a Granetville grant for 510 acres on the South side of Marsh Swamp above Brewer's Ford. NC Halafax Registry Book 2, page 336 dated 4/30/1754. Samuel and Mary Saxon sold 200 acres to George Pace on the South side of Elk marsh for 10 lbs with Samuel Saxon (Jr.) as a witness. NC Halifax Registry Book 6 page 225 dated 2/24/1757 wit. L Atkins/Samuel Saxon. Samuel and Mary Saxon sold 180 acres on the West side of Elk marsh to their son Charles Saxon for 90 lbs NC Halifax Registry Book 5, page 235 dated 11/14/1757 wit. H Hardy/D Weldon/B Pope. Samuel and Mary Saxon bought 200 acres of land on Burnt Coat Swamp from Michael Wallace. Charles Saxon Jacob Yansey and John M_______ as witnesses. 3/5/1758. Samued Saxon deed to ......... 302 acres SW side of Marsh Swamp Edgecombe, Co adjacent to Alford/Pace/Jones Deed Book 6, page 301, Halifax Co, NC. Part of Granville grant 4/30/1754. Samuel and Mary sold 310 acres on the South West side of Marsh swamp to Henry Evans 6/28/1758 Halifax Co, NC adjacent Alford & Cades Branch. wit D U Davis/Thos Gatewood 1758 Charles Saxon witnessed deed to Samuel Saxon from M. Wallace 200 acres for 60# Halifax Co, NC. 3/5/1758 Halifax Register Book 6, page 316. wit Charles Saxon & Jacob Yancey (Land on Burnt Swamp). HALIFAX COUNTY, NORTH CAROLINA WILL BOOK #1, p. 191-192. North Carolina Halifax County In the name of God Amen. I Samuel Saxon of the province and county aforesaid being in perfesct good Health thanks be to almighty God for the same and Knowing that it is appointed for all men once to die do make and ordain this to be my Last Will and testament as follows that is to say first of all I give my soul to god that gave it me and my Body to the Earth to be buried in a Decent Like and Christian Like manner at the Discretion of my executors and as for my worldly Estate that God has has been pleased to bestow upon me my will and Desire is that it may be Divided in manner and form as follows That is to say___ Item I give to my Beloved son Benjamin Saxon Six pounds to be paid after my Mary Saxon Desease___ Item I give to my beloved Daughter Bethiah N---s twenty five pounds to be paid after my wife Mary Saxon’s Desease-____ Item I give to my beloved son Charles Saxon one negro boy Named Lewis to him and his heirs and Assigns forever. Item I give to my Beloved son Samuel Saxon one Negro fellow that he has now in his possession Named Jack to him and his heirs and Assigns forever. Item I give to my Beloved Son John Saxon The Plantation whereon I now Live Containing one Hundred and fifty Acres of Land and three Hundred and forty six acres of Land ajoining the same Being Bought of Samuel Hardy and also two Negroes Harry and Jenny and her Increase to him and his Heirs and Assigns and if John Saxon should die before he is married or before the age of Twenty Years old My Will is that his Estate should be Equal Devided Between all his Brothers and His sisters after his Mother’s Decease. Item I Lend to my beloved wife Mary Saxon three Negroes Jack Lucy and Dinah and all the rest of My Estate Both Real and Personal after My just Debts are paid and her bed to Dispose of as she thinks proper and My will and Desire is that after her Decease and leagases Paid, that the remainder of my estate should be Equal Devided between my three and Benajah Saxon Samuel Saxon and John Saxon. I likewise Revoke other wills and other Gifts to be Void and of Now Efect and Do make and Ordain this My will and Testament and Do approve My Wife Mary Saxon and Benajah Saxon My Whole and Sole Executors of this My Last Will and Testament in Witness whereof I have hereunto Set my hand and fixd my Seal this seventh Day of February in the year of Our Lord Christ one thousand seven Hundred and Sixty Six____________________ Signed sealed and Delivered In the presence of_______ Saml. Saxon John Bradford John Morris Jesse Pope Halifax County jv: July Court 1766 The aforegoing will was exhibited in Open Court by the Exors. and Duly proved by the oath of John Morris a subscribing Witness thereto who On his oath Did say that he saw the Testator Samuel Saxon Sign Publish and Declare the same to be his Last Will and Testament and that he together with the other Witnesses subscribed Severally their Names as Witnesses [ ] in the Presence of the Testator and at his Request whereupon the Exors. in the said will Named were Duly quallified According to Law there upon the said will was ordered to be Recorded and is Recorded______________ Jrso. Montfort C: C: Will is listed in Will book B-1761-66 Halifax Co, NC listed children Archelus, Benjamine, Charles, Bethiah [MILLS], Samuel (Jr), Benejah and John (a minor, who received most of the estate). Wife Mary and Benajah were executors. Father: Samuel (prob.) SAXON b: BEF 1680 Marriage 1 (prob.) unknown YANCEY b: ABT 1712 Married: BEF 1727Children Benjamin SAXON b: BEF 1727 in Hanover?, VA? Bethiah SAXON b: ABT 1730 Charles SAXON b: BEF 1734 Benajah SAXON b: BEF 1736 Archelaus SAXON b: BEF 1741 Samuel SAXON b: BEF 1745 Marriage 2 Mary BROWN b: BEF 1730 Married: AFT 1745Children John SAXON b: BET 1746 AND 1756

per landon bell's lunenburg co, va wills, book 1, richard brown was the son of john brown, wife, joan, who died in 1753 in lunenburg co, va and, as shown, tyree glenn witnessed john brown's 1753 lunenburg co, va will.    Brown, John 8-22-1753; 2-5-1754; W.B. 1/113   Mentions: Wife: Joan Brown             Sons: John Brown (land in Brunswick Co.), Vallentine Brown,                   Richard Brown, Manoah Brown, Jesse Brown             Daughter: Mary Winkham             Grandson: John Caldwell Brown   Executor: Valletine Brown (son)   Witnesses: Tyree Glenn, William Willey.   again, as shown, tyree glenn witnessed john brown's, father of richard brown, 1753 lunenburg co, va will, and this is also a copy of tyree glenn's 1763 lunenburg co. va will.     Entries: 44438    Updated: 2008-03-06 21:25:15 UTC (Thu)    Contact:   ID: I21598 Name: Tyree GLENN Surname: GLENN Given Name: Tyree Sex: M Birth: 1704 in , New Kent, Virginia, now USA Death: BEF Sep 1767 in , Lunenburg, Virginia, now USA Note: WILL of Tyre GLENN, written 2 July 1763; proved 8 September 1763; Lunenburg Co., VA Will Book 2, p. 179: Mentions: Wife: Mary* Glenn Sons: Jeremiah Glenn, John Glenn, William Glenn Daughters: Anne Glenn, Sarah Glenn Executor: Jeremiah Glenn Witnesses: David Hopkins, Henry Blagrove, John Cook. *(Mary Roe Glenn, second wife of Tyree Glenn) again, this was tyree glenn's son, jeremiah glenn/ anna blagrave, who witnessed this mecklenburg co, va deed re my william harris, sr/ frances goode to james hall and who also moved to laurens co, sc and whose son william glenn was also involved with my charles harris in laurens co, sc.   mecklenburg co, va deed book 1, page 14, 1765, william harris of mecklenburg co, va to james hall of same for 15 pds, 30 acres on the south side of the middle fork of the  bluestone creek being a part of a larger tract patented to william harris, bounded by james hall on sawpitt branch.  signed:  william harris. witnesses:  jeremiah glenn; john marable; micajah smithson.    laurens co, sc will book C-1, page 347, 6/5/1809, jeremiah glenn, decd, will proven by richard shackleford; john dacus.  jeremiah glenn and william glenn qualify as executors.   again, my mackerness goode, sr's sons, our mackerness goode and samuel goode sold their land in laurens co, sc to richard shackleford and the 1790 laurens co, sc census shows that my william harris, jr/ frances rodgers was enumerated adjacent richard shackleford.   here, again, are the 1789 laurens co, sc deeds showing that my mackerness goode, sr's sons,  our samuel goode and mackerness goode, jr sold their land in laurens co, sc to richard shackleford.   laurens co, sc deed book C, page 192, 1789, mackerness goode, gentleman, of edgefield co, sc to richard shackleford, pastor of the baptist church, for 500 pds, 500 acres on the beaverdam creek of little river, original grant 10/ 30/ 1767 bordered on cornelius cargill; david craddock; john box; william arthur.  witnesses:  samuel goode; joseph cox; francis brooks.  silvanus walker, j.p.          laurens co, sc deed book C, page 193, 1789, samuel goode, gentleman, to richard shackleford, pastor of the baptist chuch, for 100 pds, 100 acres on the little river, original grant 4/ 12/ 1771 to mackerness goode, sr, who died intestate and samuel goode, his heir at law. witnesses:  joseph cox; francis brooks; alexander stewart.  silvanus walker, j.p.    here is the 1807 will of jeremiah glenn, son of tyree glenn of lunenburg co, va, showing that this was jeremiah glenn/ anna blagrave's son, william glenn, also involved with my charles harris/ jane cannon also in laurens co, sc.   12/ 22/ 1807, will of jeremiah glenn:  legatees:  wife:  annie; son: tiree (tyree) glenn; dau: frances craighead; dau: sarah garland walker; dau: martha newstep moon; son: blackgrove (blagrave) glenn; dau:  mary mason; son: jeremiah glenn; son:  william glenn; dau: elizabeth walker.  executors:  wife, annie; sons:  jeremiah and william glenn.  witnesses:  john dawes/ dacus?; richard shacklford; robert pasley.   Laurens co, sc, deed book G, page 218, 1801, elisha mitchell to john cunningham for $450, 100 acres on the south side of the little river called little creek, original grant to william bailey conveyed to elisha mitchell.  witnesses:  william glenn; charles harris.  zachariah bailey, j.p. dower renunciation of wife, sarah mitchell, william mitchell, j.q.    to be continued:   belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8--------26910