In a message dated 11/15/2008 10:51:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) writes: Another Hanover Co., VA record involving James Harris P. 98-100 James Harris of Hanover Co. to Martin Baker of Co. afsd; Lease and release; 24 pds. Currt. money of Va. 150 a of woodland ground lying in second fork of Pamunkey River on the North side of the Little River...beginning at a corner oak on the north side of the River... corner of William Hendricks. James Harris Wit: Robert Harris, Robert Harris Jr., Wm. Harris 5 July 1734 ack. by James Harris also Elizabeth the wife of sd. Harris relinquished all her right of dower. (Davis, p. 30) Submitted by E.W.Wallace Second fork of Pamunkey is the first fork of the North Anna and was Little River 1738, Robert Harris <<_http://www.pastportal.com/cwdl_new/VA_Gazet/Images/VG/1738/0005hi.jpg_ (http://www.pastportal.com/cwdl_new/VA_Gazet/Images/VG/1738/0005hi.jpg) >> To be sold at two payments. Plantation containing 358 acres of good land being in Hanover County, about three miles above New Market Mill*****, and in the "second fork of Pamunkey River";***** the land lyes on a main road and is very convenient to a church and several good mills; and is not above twenty two miles from Page's Warehouse; being the land and plantation whereon James Brown now lives. There are on the land near one hundred and fifty bearing apple trees, a good frame dwelling house with several other convenient out-houses. The price is sixty five pounds. Any person desirous to purchase, may apply to Robert Harris, living near New Market Mill, or to the above James Brown, owner of the said land. 1738 Robert Harris, Jun. <_http://www.pastportal.com/cwdl_new/VA_Gazet/Images/VG/1738/0196hi.jpg_ (http://www.pastportal.com/cwdl_new/VA_Gazet/Images/VG/1738/0196hi.jpg) > Stray'd from me the subscriber, of Hanover County, the 12th of September last, a Bay Mare, of about 4 feet 4 inches high, branded on the near buttocks, thus I, and she hath some white on the lower part of her face, and part of one of her hind hoofs is white, and one side of her buttocksis of a darker color than any other part of her body, her mane hangs both sides of her neck, and has a long tail, never having been doct, but the hair of the tail has been eaten by calves. Whoever will bring the said mare to me in Hanover County, near New Market Mill, or to Mr. Thomas Branches, in Henrico County, at Kingsland Ferry, shall have ten shillings reward, paid by me. Robert Harris, Jun. If you look at the first deed in particular and note the date and the Robert Harris and Robert Harris, Jr., you'd have to consider that this is not the Robert Harris, Surveyor, Group 6 family because the son Robert Jr. attributed to Robert Harris/Mourning by group 6 records and with a DNA kit is not born until ca 1746 from what I see. The children of Robert Harris, Surveyor, and wife Mourning seem to line up with birthdates from about 1724 onward. The Richard Harris ***in this area who has not been accounted for may be the one who died ca 1735 leaving undocumented orphans. CAVALIERS AND PIONEERS Abstracts of Virginia Land Patents and Grants Author: Nell Marion Nugent p. 214 JOHN THOMASON, 400 acs. (N.L.) New Kent Co., in St. Paul's Par; on S. side of the Little River; adj. Richard Harris; *****across the mouth of Byars' branch; 11 July 1719, p. 439. Imp. of 8 pers: Jane Roberts, John .... ------------------------------------ P. 61 (62) At a Vestry held at the Lower Church 7br 26th 1713 is the following entry: "To lie in the Church Wardens hands for ****Rich'd Harris when he hath Shingled the upper Church….4500 (lbs. Tobo)" P. 70 (69) At a Vestry held at the Lower Church 8br ye 15th 1715 is the following entry: " To Rich'd Harris Acc't,**** Allowed…..150 (lbs tobo)" <_http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/hanover/misc/vestry.txt_ (http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/hanover/misc/vestry.txt) > from Kathryn Wiggins: Harris papers: New Kent/ Hanover Cos, Va: New Kent Co, Va land patents: Richard Harris ****of New Kent Co, Va, St Paul's parish, transports 8 persons to Virginia and is granted land in the above county and parish on lines of the land of Fleming Bradley, July 11, 1719. Richard Harris ***is later granted more land also in St Paul's parrish in New Kent co, Va on the lines of Jennings path also in 1719. 1722: whereas in 1699 land then in New Kent co, Va but now in Hanover co, Va bounded by Littlepage's lines, Falling Creek, Liddell's; Overton's and Jennings line was not seated by Benjamin Buckley, the land is now granted to Richard Harris ***of Hanover co, va, being 2,570 acres. on page 53 of Wiggins' Harris papers: New Kent/ Hanover Cos, Va, Wiggins names those who were transported by Richard Harris:*** Richard Harris ***patents 400 acres in St Paul's Parish, New Kent co, Va near land of Fleming Bradley for the transport of the following colonists to live in Va: Robert Hough; Thomas Kenier; Benjamin Smith; Mr Breacherly; Elizabeth Wright; Elin Bardin; Magdlin Samson; Richard Whiteall. Richard Harris also got a patent for 150 acres also in St Paul's Parish on Jennings path and western branch for transport of Pelham Moor; William Seegar; and William Weynolds. both of the above patents were in 1719. land patents and grants: Hanover Co, Va: George Alvis of Hanover Co, Va patents 400 acres on Richard Harris' *****line, 1723. 1727: processioned in one precinct: William Meriwether; William Terrell; John Snead; James Nuckols; John Nuckolls for Col Byrd; Ralph Hunt, land of Col Byrd; Carr's orphans; Madam Littlepage; Richard Harris;*** William Hickman; also Peter Garland; John Garland; John Smith; John Mitchell. 1731: Richard Harris ***and George Vaughan procession lands of George Vaughan; Widow Frazer; John Joiner; Benjamin Alsop; Martin Baker; William Thacker; John Ragland; Anthony Winston's orphans; Charles Lewis; Richard Harris; Barbara Winston; Anthony Waddy, precinct # 3. 1735: William Harris processioned with Daniel Patrick; Watson; Joyner; Cook; Hudson; John Wingfield; Watson and Cornelius Tinsley. Peter Garland and Ralph Hunt appeared for Mr Robert Wade who represented Mr William Brd, esq and Peter Marks and William Jennings for William Alsop and Mr Richard Harris;***** Mr George Vaughan; and Mr John Ragland did not appear though lawfully warned. 1739: Richard Harris ****in one precint with George Vaughan; Widow Fraser; John Joyner; Benjamin Alsop; Martin Baker; Anthony Winston's orphans; Richard Harris' orphans; Barbara Winston; Anthony Waddy, precinct. 1744: Richard Harris' orphans****** processioned with George Vaughan; Widow Fraser; John Joyner; Benjamin Alsop; William Thacker; John Ragland; Anthony Winston's orphans; Charles Lewis; Matthew Pate , precinct # 10, also Thomas B aker. There is no Richard Harris documented to the Group 8 Harris line, and there is no progenitor yet for the Group 2 line in the area, however the record above does say there were orphans of Richard Harris. Book: A, Page: 502, Grantor: William Adams, Grantee: Benjamin Timberlake, Date: 27-Mar-1753 William Adams of Louisa co. to Benjamin Timberlake of Hanover Co. £50 for 104 acres adj. the river, Timberlake,, Nelson Anderson, John Brooks, being part of land purchased by Lawrence Redman**** of Richard Harris conveyed to sd. Adams. Sig. Wm. Adams. <_http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:g2hlEydIQYEJ:trevilians.com/deeds/deed7. htm+%22st.+james%22+northam+Harris+goochland&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=5&ie=UTF-8 _ (http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:g2hlEydIQYEJ:trevilians.com/deeds/deed7.htm+"st.+james"+northam+Harris+goochland&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=5&ie=UTF-8) > 13 Feb 1743 John Foster of Fredericksville Par. Louisa Co, and Ann his wife, to Shirwood Harris of same 15 pounds currt money. 104 acres and plantation on both sides of Cubb Creek in Fredericksville Par....Wm Harris' line; purchased by sd Foster by Indenture of Feoffment 13 Feb 1742 of *****Laurence Redman and acknowledged in Louisa Co. Wit: Jeremiah Glen, Charles Nuckolls Bk A pg 127-128 <_http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:nbs4a6P35isJ:freepages.genealogy.rootsw eb.com/~evilsizer/Louisa.html+%22cubb+creek%22+harris+genealogy&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 _ (http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:nbs4a6P35isJ:freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~evilsizer/Louisa.html+"cubb+creek"+harris+genealogy&hl=en&ie=UTF-8) > Plat #: 247 Book: VAPB 32:063 Grantee: *******Redmond, Lawrence , Date: 12-Apr-1753 400a on the branches of Roundabout Creek and the Bird on both sides the three notched Road Pt 0. of several saplings & a scrubby white oak on Major Morris's line | Ln n43w; 164p; Morris line | Pt 1. corner white oak on the upper side of *********Roundabout Creek | Ln n22e; 124p; Morris line | Pt 2. corner of several pines | Ln n22e; 61p; new line continuing | Pt 3. pine | Ln nw; 94p; | Pt 4. of Roundabout Creek | Ln nw; 46p; | Pt 5. white oak | Ln s40.5w; 214p; | Pt 6. Notched Road | Ln s40.5w; 90p; | Pt 7. scrubby white oak sapling & pine | Ln s57e; 276p; | Pt 8. Notched Road | Ln s57e; 82p; | Pt 9. pine in Goochland County Line | Ln n52e; 57p; | <_http://trevilians.com/maps/plat3.htm_ (http://trevilians.com/maps/plat3.htm) > The Roundabout Creek area has some borders with Fluvanna, and the William Harris/Mary Hudson groupings. Book: J, Page: 575, Grantor: John Foster and Mary his wife, Grantee: Henry Chiles, Date: 13-Sep-1803 John Foster and Mary his wife of Louisa to Henry Chiles of same for +63 10 6 for 77 acres on ***Roundabout Creek adjoining Henry Johnston, Purkins, George Johnston, wit all buildings and appurtenances, etc. Sig. John Foster, Mary Foster no witnesses. <_http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:hDtKinIvm40J:trevilians.com/deeds/deed23 .htm+%22christmas+road%22++louisa&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&ie=UTF-8_ (http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:hDtKinIvm40J:trevilians.com/deeds/deed23.htm+"chri stmas+road"++louisa&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&ie=UTF-8) > Roundabout Creek is also the location of the Hendrick/Hendricks/ family Anyway, there is a early Richard Harris in the records who leaves orphans who are not accounted for. He possibly leaves a widow Sarah. Maybe someone with Richard Harris ties will be able to put something together for us. **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)

I would like to hear from others who study early Hanover Co. records and those of Louisa Co. [formed .... from ......] to comment on these notes about one James Harris with a wife named Elizabeth. Could he be a son of Major Robert Harris, who was colonial surveyor of Louisa Co.? We know from other documents that Robert Harris had a son-in-law named James Harris who married his daughter Mary. Preparer: E. W. Wallace Rev Dec 2005 * JAMES HARRIS OF HANOVER CO.(ca 1715?-m. by 1734) His name appears only twice in the existing Hanover Co. records of 1733-1734. He is associated in a deed with his [probable] two brothers and by a Richard Harris, possibly another brother or more probably, a nephew. We have no proof of relationships, however. He was associated with Robert Harris of Hanover Co. as early as 1733, but it may be that he was attending court the date the deed [Indent] was witnessed and recorded. On p. 14-15 of Hanover Co. records, he was witness to an indenture 1 Feb 1733 Robert Harris of Hanover Co. to Benjamin Harris of same, 256 A on both sides of north fork of Little River. "p. 14-15 INDENT. 1 Feb 1733 Robert Harris of Hanover Co. to Benjamin Harris of Co. afsd; 40 pds. sterling money; 256 a. on both sides of north fork of Little River bounded by he lines of Stephen Pettus, John Garland, William Mullin, Benjamin Brown, William Harris and Benjamin Byb [Bibb?] [signed] Robert Harris Wit: Thomas Dickinson, James Harris, Richard Harris On p. 15, James is again witness to an indenture, same date, 1 Feb 1733, Benjamin Harris of Hanover Co. to Robert Harris of same, 156 A left him by the Last Will and Testament of his Father, William Harris decd., being commonly known by the name of Walkers Neck." (Rosalie Edith Davis, HANOVER COUNTY, VIRGINIA COURT RECORDS 1733-1735: DEEDS, WILLS AND INVENTORIES [Manchester, MO: 1979] p. 4-5) This seems to establish that Benjamin Harris is a son of William Harris, now deceased. (Question: Are Robert Harris and James Harris and William Harris other children of William Harris, deceased?) In the next transaction in Hanover Co., we learn the name of James's wife: P. 98-100 Indent. 4-5 July 1734. James Harris of Hanover Co. to Martin Baker of Co. afsd; Lease and Release; 24 pds Currt. money of Va., 150 A of woodland ground lying in second fork of Pamunkey River on the North side of the Little River...beginning at a corner oak on the north side of the River...corner of William Hendricks. /s/ James Harris Wit: Robert Harris, Robert Harris, Jr., Wm. Harris 5 July 1734 ack. by James Harris also Elizabeth the wife of sd. Harris relinquished all her right of dower. (Rosalie Edith Davis, HANOVER COUNTY, VIRGINIA COURT RECORDS 1733-1735 DEEDS, WILLS AND INVENTORIES (Manchester, MO: 1979) It is conjectured that James was later in Louisa Co. when Hanover Co. divided. However, we have no proof. To repeat, because his wife is named Elizabeth, we believe he is NOT the James Harris who married Mary Harris, the daughter of Major Robert Harris of Louisa Co. Another Hanover Co., VA record involving James Harris P. 98-100 James Harris of Hanover Co. to Martin Baker of Co. afsd; Lease and release; 24 pds. Currt. money of Va. 150 a of woodland ground lying in second fork of Pamunkey River on the North side of the Little River...beginning at a corner oak on the north side of the River... corner of William Hendricks. James Harris Wit: Robert Harris, Robert Harris Jr., Wm. Harris 5 July 1734 ack. by James Harris also Elizabeth the wife of sd. Harris relinquished all her right of dower. (Davis, p. 30) Submitted by E.W.Wallace **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)

Would like to contact Stephen Harris who is researching the Harris line. Please contact me at emmp106 @yahoo.com. Thanks, Emma      --  WHEN THE POWER OF LOVE OVERCOMES THE LOVE OF POWER, THE WORLD WILL KNOW PEACE

Hello list! I'm still working on parents of an Elizabeth Harris born about 1705-07 in New Kent. She married Charles Toney Jan 30 1725 in Goochland Co.VA. How does she tie in with the known families?? Thanks, Delbert Calvert Hiestand

Preparer: E. W. Wallace Rev 1/97; edited 12/03, added to Jan 2004 WILLIAM OVERTON, the elder. WIR00436 [This is ID in my computer program. Ignore it.] According to Cross and Cole, WILLIAM CROSS OF BOTETOURT CO., VA. AND HIS DESCENDANTS (Columbia, MO: 1932), William Overton of "Glencairn," Hanover Co., VA emigrated to Virginia ca. 1681. He was the son of Col. Robert Overton, and he was married to Elizabeth Waters, daughter of Samuel Waters (ca. 1617-1665) and his wife Anne (d. ca. 1700). [1] Clayton Torrence had a different perspective as he wrote the following of William Overton in WINSTON FAMILY OF VIRGINIA (publ. 1927, repository: Virginia State Library CS71 W782): "... was born in England, December 3, 1628 [or 1638]. On November 24, 1670, he married Elizabeth Waters, and together they came to Virginia in 1681, settling in St. Peters Parish, New Kent County. On April 23, 1681, a patent was issued to William Overton and Eben Jones [Evan Jones] for 4600 acres lying in New Kent County on south side of Pamunkey River, on Falling Creek; for the transportation of 92 persons into the colony, and among the names of head-rights to this pattent appear: William Overton and Elizabeth Overton. On October 29, 1690, a patent issued to William Overton and John Lyddall for 837 acres lying in St. Peter's Parish, New Kent County, above main fork of Pamunkey River, next above a divident of land granted Jonathan Norwood and Ambrose Clre, late in the tenure of Samuel Ousteen." [Overton?] Torrence cites the land patents, which are readily available to researchers in Volume II of CAVALIERS AND PIONEERS, abstracts cited below.. The land patents, originally in New Kent Co., later fell into a newly formed county, Hanover Co. Two patents, in which William Overton is a partner, dated 23 Apr 1681 and 1690 all mention Pamunkey River. In a footnote, Torrence wrote: To this time [1927], the parentage of William Overton has not been discovered, nor the place of his birth. The Register of St. Sepulchre's [London] does not give the marriage of William Overton and Elizabeth Waters. There were Overtons living in St. Sepulchre's Parish, London; but a careful search of the Births, Marriages and Buriels [sic] from 1662 (when the registers begin) up to 1700 has thrown no light on the 'origin' or relationships of William Overton. Overton wills and administrations in the ARCHDEACONRY OF LONDON REGISTERS, 1413-1725, have also been investigated without favorable results. For note on this discrepancy in statements as to year (1628 or 1638) of William Overton's birth see ante page 29, footnote." [Note: This researcher failed to photocopy Page 29.] Francis Stuart Harmon, MA, LLB, LLD, compiled and edited ADAM'S EVES (privately published 1946) [2]. Harmon, a descendant of William Overton, has a slightly different version. William, born 3 Dec 1638, probably was the son of Major General Robert Overton and his wife Anne Gardiner Overton. "He came to Virginia in the sixteen sixties and on November 24, 1670 was married to Elizabeth (NOT Mary) Waters, at Yorktown on board the vessel which had transported her from England. The records of Mathews County, Virginia show that William Overton paid fifty pounds of tobacco for the passage of his fiancee to Virginia. Also Virginia land records show a grant of 4600 acres on the south side of the Pamunkey river to William Overton for transporting 92 persons to the colony, including Elizabeth Waters. Another deed in 1680 conveyed land to him in St. Peter's Parish, New Kent Co., Virginia. .." [Comment: It is strange that the record of payment would be in Mathews Co., VA records, as that county was not formed until 1791; further, most of the county's records were destroyed by fire in 1865. This writer's opinion is that Torrence is a more careful researcher, and his works should be regarded as more reliable.] Because William Overton and his different partners patented large tracts of land near the Pamunkey River, the abstracted patents are cited: Patent Bk 7-78: William Overton & Evan Jones, 4600 acs., New Kent Co., S side Pomunky Riv., 23 Apr 1681,.... Beg at mouth of falling creek. Trans. of 92 pers. [The list of persons transported is omitted, but includes Wm. Overton, Thomas Jones, Rice Jones, Eliz. Overton, and several other persons, male and female with the surname Jones.] (Nell Marion Nugent, CAVALIERS AND PIONEERS, VOL. II, [Richmond, VA: Virginia State Library, 1977], p. 218-219) Patent Bk 8-121: William Overton & John Lydall, 837 acs., New Kent Co., in St. Peter's Par; above the main fork of Pamunky River, next aove land of Johnathan Newell & Ambros Clare, late in the tenure of Samuel Ousteen; 23 Oct 1690, p. 121. To be qually divided between them. [Again, the list of transported persons is omitted here.] (Ibid., p. 357) Harmon gives information about the parents of Elizabeth Waters. "The will of Ann Waters, aged widow of Samuel Waters (b. about 1617-1665) of the Parish of St. Sepulchre's London, was dated September 29, 1697 and was proved at London by Thomas Waters, July 4, 1700. A pertinent provision therein read: 'I give unto my daughter Elizabeth Overton, now in Virginia, the summe of tenn shillings and to my sonne in law, William Overton, her husband also tenn shillings...'" Harmon lists six children of William and Elizabeth Waters Overton, one of whom was Temperance Overton, the ancestress of the writer. See her separate biography. Harmon is a descendant of Temperance's younger brother James Overton. Clayton Torrence in his family history of the Winston family included the Overtons because the youngest Overton daughter, Barbara, became the wife of John (or James) Winston, of Hanover Co. The Winston family, of course, was his main focus. [3] Torrence quotes from the copy of the Overton record as given in THE VIRGINIA MAGAZINE OF HISTORY AND BIOGRAPHY, Vol. XI, p. 306: "William Overton was born December 3rd, 1628 [or 1638], in England. Married Mary [sic: Elizabeth] Waters November 24th, 1670. Emigrated to Virginia. Elizabeth, their daughter, born June 28th, 1673. William Overton, their son, born Augst. 14th, 1675. Temperance Overton, their daughter, born March 2, 1679. Samuel Overton, their son, born Augst. 14, 1685. James Overton, their son, born Augst. 14, 1688. Barbara Overton, their daughter, born Feby 5, 1690. Barbara Overton married John Winston. Barbara Overton Winston died Octo. 30, 1766." Torrence gives two dates for the birthdate of William Overton because of conflict in family records of descendants. Also there was conflict in whether the husband of Barbara Overton was John or James Winston. There are references to the land of William Overton in New Kent Co. in this patent: JOHN SAXON, 460 acs., New Kent Co., W. side of the N. br. of Pamunkey River; adj. land, now or late, of Wm. Overton; 28 Oct 1697, p. 106. Trans. of 9 pers: Frank, Moll, Sampson, Tom, Sue, Robin, Peter, Dead, Betty. (Nell Marion Nugent, CAVALIERS AND PIONEERS, VOL III [Richmond: Virginia State Library, 1979, 2nd impression, 1986], p. 15) Another patent to John Saxon, Oct 1699 [Patent Bk 9, 225] again refers to the land of Overton. Some Extra Information Overton Family History, History of Louisa County Virginia By Malcolm Harris, pg. 396 (found on the internet 1/4/04) It is believed that the Virginia Overtons were descendants of John Easington, in Holderness, Yorkshire,whose son was General Robert Overton born 1609, under Parliament tookup arms and served Cromwell, and finally was sent to the Barbadoes in solitude. III- William, son of Gen. Robert Overton, was born in England,Decmeber 3, 1638 and came to Virginia prior to 1670. He married Mary Waters at Yorktown on the 24th of November 1670, on board the ship in which she came to America. She was a daughter of Mrs. Ann Waters of St.Sepulcher's Parish, London. The Overtons settled on Falling Creek,where they had patents for 4,600 acres on the south side of the Pamunkey River in New Kent County. Their children: 1. Elizabeth, b. 28 June 1673 2. William, b. 6 August 1675; d. 18 June 1759-m. Peggy Garland 3. Temperance, b. 2 March 1679; 19 February 1710- m. William Harris 4. Samuel, b. 14 August 1685; d. c1725- m. Miss Carr 5. James, b. 14 Aug. 1688; d. 18 June 1748- m. Elizabeth Garland 6. Barbara, b. 5 February 1690; d. 30 October 1766 IV.- James, son of William and Mary Waters Overton, was born 14 August 1688. He was generally known as Capt. Overton and was a patentee of the lands on Elk Creek in Louisa, 1723/ He married Elizabeth Garland, a Daughter of Edward Garland, Sr. of Hanover County, and a sister of Margaret, who married his brother William. He was a sheriff of Hanover County in 1735. The Garlands patented lands in Louisa about the same time, and adjoining his patents on Overton's branch of Elk Creek. He probably established the seat of Brookville, the old Overton plantation where lived Captain James Overton, until his death in 1814. James, Sr. died June18, 1747 and his wife died 19 November 1739. Children of James Overton and Elizabeth Garland: 1. Capt. James, b. 1726 married Mary Waller 2. William married Jemima Harris , (dau. of Wm. Harris) 3. Mary Garland md. David Cosby 4. Nancy md. Richmond Terrell Later Overton Family Members There is a reference in Pat. Bk. 12, p. 335 to two different Overton males, giving the relationship of father and son: William Overton, son of Samuel Overton, "sometime of New Kent Co., decd); 400 acs. (N.L.) Hanover Co.; on both sides the S. & N. fork of Elk C; adj John Ragland; on head of Plum Tree Branch; 7 Jan 1725, p. 335. 40 Shill. (Nugent, Vol. III, p. 294) There is a patent in 1723 to one James Overton "on John Raglin's line", implying that Samuel Overton is probably a relative as well as a neighbor. James Overton, 400 acs. (N.L.) Hanover Co.; on N. side the S. fork of Elk Cr; on John Raglin's line; 20 Feb 1723, p. 324. 40 Shill. (Nugent, Vol. III, p. 259) There is evidence in 1782 tax list of Hanover Co., VA (formed from New Kent Co.) of the prevalence of Overton family members and evidence of the beginning use of this surname as a given name, especially for members of the Harris family. Since surnames of other families with whom the Harrises are intermarried are found in Hanover Co. also (Glen, Grubbs, Gentry, Dabney), they were probably interrelated. The following were listed in Capt John Thomson's and Thomas Price's companies of militia--list of John Lawrence, gent'n. Samuel Overton (estate) 7 whites; 69 blacks. William Overton (estate) 1 white; 29 blacks. Mildred Overton 4 whites; 3 blacks. One would deduce from the number of slaves that the Overtons were of the planter class. Unidentified Overton males: A list of North Carolina Revolutionary War pensioners, found in The State Records of North Carolina, lists two privates: Samuel Overton James Overton Jonathan Overton In all probability these males would have been born ca 1750s. [1] John Newton Cross and Mary Cross Cole, William Cross of Botetourt Co., VA, and his descendnantss, 1733-1932; also a record of the related families of McCown, Gentry-Blythe, Cain-Robertson, Harris-Martin, and Conner, of Virginia, Kentucky, Illinois and Missouri [LVA call no. CS71 C952 1932] [2] Francis Stuart Harmon, Adam's Eves: Historical and genealogical information about the Banks, Bruce [and] Overton families, and the Ellis, Cain, Bell [and] Banks relationships of Susan Mourning Cain (Bell) [LVA call no.CS71 B2268 1964] [3] Torrence, Clayton, Winston of Virginia and allied families [Richmond, VA: Whittet & Shepperson, 1927, 539 pgs. [This is on HeritageQuest.] Submitted by E.W.Wallace corrections & additions are welcomed (http://lva1.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/F/Y1G2LUXQ1BDLCPQJ28PQ5QFF7VQTYYSCLFCG1X8DH9MA9TD83T-13918?func=full-set-set&set_num ber=011190&set_entry=000003&format=999) ..................... **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. 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Dear Harris Researchers, I see from some e-mails on Harris-Hunters that a lot of us Harris-Hunters are confused about the identities of some colonial Virginians named William Harris [whose wife was Temperance Overton] and several Robert Harrises. One contention is that William Harris of colonial Hanover Co., probably previously of New Kent Co., had a brother named Robert Harris. My statement, not to belittle such a statement, is that I have not discovered a brother Robert Harris for this older William Harris. I would like very much to see some proof of such a relationship. Histories written of three contemporary William Harrises in colonial Hanover Co., VA do not seem to indicate such a brother but perhaps a son of William Harris--Robert Harris who married Mourning Glen[n]. This Robert Harris was later a surveyor for colonial Louisa Co. Again, I would like some documentation of a brother of William Harris of New Kent or Hanover Co. VA who is named Robert Harris--of early years. Here is a paragraph from some of my notes of a William Harris of early Hanover Co. CAPT. WILLIAM HARRIS OF HANOVER CO. WIR00046 There is much difficulty in sorting out the various Harrises of early Virginia. One of the best explanations seen to date, 1997, is that of Malcolm Hart Harris, M.D. Dr. Harris, in "Three William Harrises in Hanover County," in VIRGINIA GENEALOGIST, V. 22. Dr. Harris has done a thorough examination of land patents and locations of land described in these patents. Harris's conclusion is that Capt. William Harris of Hanover Co., VA was the son of Robert Harris (called in this account, Robert Harris the immigrant). He also was the father of William Harris, Jr. and that they were of Cedar Hill. [there is more but I am not sharing currently.] In the meantime, I am sharing notes on William Overton, and one can see some of the conflict which has arisen about this colonial resident, William Overton, of the area around the Pamunkey River, a part of the North Anna River. Because my notes are rather lengthy, and Rootsweb limits the amount of material submitted, I shall post the info in a separate e-mail. If you use this material in your own genealogy program--or even an e-mail--please try VERY HARD to include the source. Genealogists are more and more suspect of *bald* statements without documentation of some sort. (You may be challenged to give some supporting evidence.) I believe Torrence may be the more reliable source about the Overton family, and he shares with us his failure to reach a FIRM conclusion about relationships. Some of these sources have been filmed and are at the Family History Library in Salt Lake City, and a few have probably been digitized. E.W.Wallace PS If you have access to the online genealogical database HeritageQuest, through your local or nearby public library, you may want to take a look at this additional genealogy about the Overton family. Anderson, W. P. The early descendants of Wm. Overton & Elizabeth Waters of Virginia and allied families Cincinnati, Ohio: W. P. Anderson, 1938 163 pgs. **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)

A couple comments. This Benjamin Harris of Sullivan IN has tested to DNA Group 2. Secondly, the Benjamin Harris who died in 1765 with wife Mary who later married Elias Thomasson in 1774 left these sons : Overton who married Jemima, d/o Frederick Harris Benjamin who married Sarah Overstreet Robert who married Mrs. Mary Davis and Ann Harris who married John Baker. These are likely Group 6. Pat **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001)

In reply to your query, which should appear below [for the benefit of others, if they are interested] Sorry to be late in responding. Family illness and hospitalization interrupted. E.W.Wallace First, you have to know a little history of Indiana. 1778: Vincennes controlled by Commonwealth of Virginia. 1787: Indiana included in Northwest Territory. 1790 Most of Indiana (and part of Illinois) created as Knox County. 1800 Indiana Territory is established 1805 Michigan Territory is separated from Indiana Territory. 1809 The state of Indiana is formed. According to Ancestry's Red Book by Alice Eicholz, editor, Sullivan Co. was formed 1817 from Knox [see above] Frequently, the trouble with us genealogists is we are looking in the WRONG place, or worse yet, the records are missing [my fate in Virginia research]. Now, about the time of the Louisiana Purchase [a huge chunk of land bought in the administration of Thomas Jefferson], all land grants/patents in states formed from that area and subquent to that era, for the most part, were/are controlled by the Bureau of Land Management. In genealogy, we have to work backwards in time. What, if anything, have you found to document your ancestor's presence in Indiana? You seem to have a handle on his death date. If the death occurred in 1849, we might find something about him in the 1850 mortality schedule--but 1848 deaths are not covered, alas!!! Have you checked the BLM land patents for Indiana for that time period? Here is the URL for an index, and with a lot of clicking around, you can find a certificate if he got a patent in Indiana. However, it is the *case file* which I am told holds the goodies!!! _http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/_ (http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/) A Benjamin Harris [spelling used in BLM index--NOT Haris, which the county clerk may have used] appears in Sullivan Co., IN in the time period you are outlining. Do you have access to any genealogy *how-to* books--say, at the Reference desk of your public library? If so, get one of the several editions of Ancestry or Everton's or some such and do some study of US land patents. I have the misfortune, for the most part, to have ancestors living largely in State-land states, and their patents/grants, if they had one or several, are held by the State Land Commissions [or whatever the name may be] in each of those State land states. [Read up on that also.] I think you have to send for the case file to find out what info the patentee sent to the BLM [or whatever its former name was.] I believe at one time these case files were held in Washington or in Maryland. I am sorry--I have a new computer, and I am an old lady. The Jpg you sent got downloaded, but I cannot make out what it is. I have had this trouble with another correspondent!!! Maybe Vista doesn't like some of the jpg images. Anyway, since this man died and apparently had heirs, is there a probate file? If the children were minors, there should be some guardianship papers of some kind, as they probably were due to an inheritance because of the land ownership. You may have to examine court records, deeds, probates, and whatever else you can find in Indiana. A slight lead, since we Harris-Hunters have to turn over a lot of rocks: >From Rosalie Edith Davis, Louisa County, Virginia 1743-1814: Where Have All The Children Gone? [Manchester, MO: published by author, 1980] p. 79 [of court records] Gdn Bond Elias Thomason Gdn. to Overton Harris, Robert Harris, Benjamin Harris Orphans of Benjamin Harris Dec'd; 5,000 pds. currt. money. Sec. James Nuckolds & Frederick Harris 12 April 1779 p. 94 Acct. of Overton & Benjamin Harris orphans of Benja. Harris. Decd with Elias Thomason Gdn 1780-1781. Ret. 13 Aug 1781. Elias Thomason makes accounts of his spending/receipts to the court from time to time [supposed to do this annually] and the children seemed to have inherited a number of slaves who were *hired out* to others. There seem to have been several minor heirs of Benjamin Harris of Louisa Co. and some of them had different guardians: p. 92 Nancy Harris Orphan of Ben. Harris decd. Gdn. bond John Baker Gdn. Martin Baker was the security 12 Feb 1781. Now the court records go on [I am packing for vacation so will not draw out this] to indicate Elias Thomason .... married the widow. The boys, in particular, were to receive schooling. If you think this is your person, or at least worth pursuing, then you may want to see Mrs. Davis's website for the price of this book and other Louisa Co.,VA books. _http://www.angelfire.com/va3/redavis/_ (http://www.angelfire.com/va3/redavis/) How about doing some googling for Elias Thomason. this is how I do it--most of the time with negative results, but genealogy is taking a chance, anyway!!! Elias Thomason + genealogy Here is a website for some Louisa Co. records--mostly deeds--if I remember. Most of the time these records are later than the period I am interested in. This is an index to some notes made while a professional genealogist was doing some work for clients. The notes are hit or miss, but they are excellent notes. _http://trevilians.com/deeds/deedmain.htm_ (http://trevilians.com/deeds/deedmain.htm) I have told you more than you wanted to know. However, when I help persons TRY to solve problems, I sometimes learn something myself--like Elias Thomason marrying the widow!!! E.W.Wallace PS If you discover your Benjamin Harris has an Overton in the family, in all probability your Harris family has colonial Virginia roots. If so, post more queries after you have done some more research. In a message dated 11/7/2008 5:40:12 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I am sorry for this out of the blue e-mail. I saw a post you made in Harris-coloniava I am looking for a Benjamin Harris born December 1775. Do you know the children of the Benjamin Haris (sic) you found in Goochland county, va 1 Feb 1737. I know I am grasping for straws but there seems to be little information left. My Benjamin migrated to Sullivan Co., IN in the early 1800s and died in 1848. Thanks Randall Harris **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. 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Are any of you Harris-Hunters able to untangle some of the tangled Harrises of Albemarle Co., formerly of colonial Louisa Co.? I have a few notes on Robert Harris, whom I think [but have not proved] is the son of Major Robert Harris. However, I am unsure whether I have the right Robert Harris. Can you help? Your anticipated help is appreciated. Picked up by a google.com search Aug 2003. Needs verification. - Capt. Robert Harris (3/8/1741-11/1796) (died Surry Co., NC) married Lucretia Brown(1746- 1802) (children: Bernice Harris, Robert Harris, Elijah Harris, Nancy Harris (Boon), Bezaleel Brown Harris, Lucretia Harris, Mourning Harris (Burch), Lucy Harris (Head), Patsy Harris (Turner), Sarah Harris (Blackwell), Tyree Rodes Harris) These are my notes, which reflect insufficient information: Rev 12/2002 ROBERT HARRIS the younger. (b. 1741-?) Son of Maj. Robert Harris of Louisa Co. He was married to Lucretia Brown. Refer to her biography for some transactions between Harris and his father-in-law. (See below) The following processioning record of Fredericksville Parish in or near the then Louisa Co., VA differentiates the younger Robert Harris from his father Major Robert Harris and lists many of the neighbors. Some of the descendants of the persons mentioned, if not the actual males themselves, are found later in Madison Co., KY records. (p. 110-111) March 24th 1760 To Mr. John Moore Clk, Vestry of Fredericksville Parish. In obedience to order of Vestry Oct. 14th 1759. We have processioned the lands in our precincts as followeth: for James Harris on Moremans River in presence of Wm. Shelton. prest. Issac Hardin for Wm. McCord on the Top of the Mountains for Wm. Shelton. prest. Isaac Hardin for Wm. McCord on Moremans River presnt. John McCord, Jr. for Daniel Maupin & for Gabriel Maupin in presence of Daniel Maupin Junr. for John McCord in the presence of Wm. McCord & John McCord Junr. for Joseph McCord in the presence of Wm. McCord & James Little & John McCord Jr. for John Mullins in the preence of Majr. Robert Harris & John Holbrook & Robert Harris Junr. for Majr. Robert Harris in the presence of Robert Harris Junr. & William Shelton for Jams. Harris on the County line in the presence of Majr. Robert Harris. The above hath been peaceably and quietly processioned. Benjaman Brown Junr. refused to attend on his lands. and Matthew Mulens likewise refus'd to attend on his. Richard Blalock liveing out of the Colony and we knowing of no Cartain Atturney could not get attendance on his Lands. James Harris Gabriel Maupin To Mr. John Moore Clark of the Vestry. (Rosalie Edith Davis, FREDERICKSVILLE PARISH VESTRY BOOK INDENTURES AND PROCESSIONING RETURNS 1741-1787, VOLUME 2 [Manchester, MO: Published by author, 1981], p. 34) Mrs. Davis in her preface has a long paragraph about processioning, only part of which is given here: "Processioning was a system of marking and renewing property boundary lines, ordered by the court every four years and conducted by the vestry, the gover ning body of the church." In another part of the preface, Mrs. Davis writes, "Most of the land owners recorded in this first return had obtained their land when the area was in Hanover County. Processioning records continue every four years through 1784 [at the end of the American Revolution]." Because Robert's father, Maj. Robert Harris, had died testate ca 1765, this deed probably pertains to the younger Harris: Louisa Co. DB E-156-157, 9 Jun 1777: Moses Going of Louisa Co. & Agness his wife to Robert Harris of same; 100 pds. 353 a... Chas. Smiths corner... Francis Smiths corner... Xopher Smiths line. (Rosalie Edith Davis, LOUISA COUNTY, VIRGINIA DEED BOOKS E & F, 1774-1790 [Manchester, MO: Published by author, 1983, p. 18) (Comment: Charles Smith had owned land on N. side of Little River, which he sold to Robt. Garland in Oct 1774. Later he and an Overton male were witnesses to a deed.) Another deed, DB-E-267-268 dated 6 Jul 1778 McCoy to Nuckolls of Trinity Par. refer to corner of Robt Harris in said [John] Walton's line, and the land in question was on north side of Cub Creek. (Davis, p. 31-32) Cub Creek, according to current-day transportation maps is south of Little River and empties into South Anna River. Robert Harris and his wife Lucretia Brown lived in Albemarle Co., VA and are believed to have migrated later to Surry Co., NC. More research is needed. Refer to the biography of Lucretia Brown for documents in Albemarle Co. in which the couple appear. Publick Service in Albemarle Co.? [Revolutionary War Claims made to Virginia.] Is he the Robert Harris of Albemarle Co. whose name appears in the Publick Service Claims? Harris, Robt., Albemarle Co., Court Booklet p. 18; Commissioners Bk II, p. 347 (Public Service Claims drawer at VA State Library) A Contemporary Robert Harris and Wife Lucey in North Carolina A Robert Harris, who appears in Rockingham Co., NC deeds in 1787, with wife Lucey, is not the same Robert Harris, as his father, according to the cited deed, was Thompson Harris. Rockingham Co. NC DB C-45 Robert Harris and wife Lucey to Samuel Watt, Jr. for 120 pds. 120 A on Pruets Fork of Hogan's Cr adj Abraham Phillips, being land willed to sd Harris by his father Thompson Harris. Nov 28, 1787. John Watt, Theodrick Stubblefield. (Irene B. Webster, ROCKINGHAM COUNTY NORTH CAROLINA DEED ABSTRACTS 1785-1800 [Easley, SC: Southern Historical Press, reprint 1983], p. 31) LUCRETIA BROWN - Scattered notes LUCRETIA BROWN. A series of deeds in Albemarle Co. refer to Lucretia (Brown) Harris and to her husband, Ro. Harris, Jr. Lucretia's mother is reportedly Sarah Dabney (not confirmed). (Robert Harris is called Junr in the deeds but in reality is of a said-to-be long line of Robert Harrises. Lucretia Brown and Robert Harris may have been married ca 1748 as implied in a deed index of Albemarle Co. The deed itself has not been read. However, the grantee may have been the elder Major Robert Harris of Louisa Co., father of Robert Harris, Jr. Deed Items: Cross Index of Parties [Albemarle Co., VA] Page Grantor Grantee 360 - May 1748 Benj. Brown & wife Sarah to Robt. Harris From Albemarle Co., VA Deed Bk 3: p. 173: 3 Apr 1762 Ro. Harris, planter, to son Ro. Jr., love - on Blue Ridge, Doyle River, pat. of 521 acs 6 Dec 1753. Wit: Jas. Harris, Christopher Harris, Wm. Brown. p. 174: [same date] Benj. Brown, to dtr. Lucretia Harris; love, slave, Moll. Wit: Jas. Harris, Christopher Harris, Wm. Brown. * p. 175: [same date] Benj. Brown, to dtr. Lucretia Harris; love; Blue Ridge tract and Doyle's River - where she lives, adj. Jno. Statham, Benj. Thurman - 400 acs. Wit: Jas. Harris, Christopher Harris, Wm. Brown, Benj. Thurman... (From The Rev. Bailey Fulton Davis, THE DEEDS OF AMHERST COUNTY, VIRGINIA, 1761-1807 AND ALBEMARLE COUNTY, VIRGINIA, 1748-1763 (Easley, SC: Southern Historical Press, 1979], pp. 54-55.) Less abstracted deeds of Albemarle Co. probably can be found in the works of Ruth and Sam Sparacio of The Antient Press, McLean, VA. Earlier, Benj. Brown had deeded land to Benj. Brown, Jr. of Hanover, for 71 pds. 305 acres E. side Doyle River, adj. Sr. & Jr., Wm. Rice. Wit: Ro. Harris, Wm. Brown, James Harris, Jno. Mulling. (Albemarle DB 3-178). We learn from other deeds of Benjamin Brown, Sr. that his daughter Elizabeth, wife of Jno. Price, had died by June 1762. Brown, Sr. deeded on 10 June 1762 to his granddaughter Lucinda Price and to his son-in-law Jno. Price (to longest liver) 280 acs. of land at foot of Great Mts. adj. some in Louisa. Wit: Ro. Harris, Ro. Harris Jr., Jas. Harris. Albemarle Co. DB 5-p. 181-182 10 May 1770 Robert Harriss & Lucresia his wife of Albemarle Co. to William Cox of Orange Co.... for 90 pds. current money.. 377 acres in Albemarle Co. on the Great Mountain... W side of a branch of Doyles River.. south fork of Doyle's R. [no witnesses shown] Robert Harriss The deed was ackd. by Robert Harris. Lucreasia, wife of said Robert, personally appeared in Court... and relinquished her right of Dower. (adapted from Ruth & Sam Sparacio, DEED ABSTRACTS OF ALBEMARLE COUNTY, VIRGINIA 1768-1772, AUGUST COURT 1768-DECEMBER COURT 1770 [McLean, VA: The Antient Press], p. 91-92) * Jane, reported daughter of James Harris [which one?] married a Cornelius Dabney [which one?]. Submitted for your comments & consideration E. W. Wallace **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. 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This is not my direct line. I am working on getting the info on Graves and his family into my PAF program that was researched by Paul Dafft and other researchers in Group 8. There is a difference of several years between some of the births. Wheeler Overton b ca 1805 and the next is Nancy b ca 1814. 9 years is a little long between births. Carter Overton b 16 Oct 1800 William H b ca 1804 Wheeler Overton b ca1805 Nancy b ca 1814 James H b 25 June 1817 Elizabeth b ca 1818 George W b ca 1819 Louisa (Lucy) b ca 1820 Charles Hudson b ca 1823 Frances E b ca 1825 Can anyone add anything to this? Mary June Foulk Knoxville TN ************** AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-h olidays-from-aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001)

I had noticed an earlier post for Edward B. Harris relatives. I have just started this family research for a friend but it appears that this will be a direct line for him. I would appreciate any help on this line. I will gladly share what I have for this family. Sunni Larsson

Dear Harris-Hunters I hope as you plow through records of various counties of Virginia [you do, don't you?], you will add to the knowledge of us Harris-Hunters. Harris has got to be one of the most common surnames in early American history. Here is one early American Harris, in case you have ancestors in Northern Neck Virginia, colonial days, that is. This is from Essex County Court 10th of November 1692 To Tho. Harris one wolfes head by Pitt (Source: Ruth & Sam Sparacio, Record Abstracts of Essex County, Virginia 1692-1693 [McLean, VA: The Antient Press, p. 27) (For those of you unfamiliar with rural counties--the court paid a bounty for *varmints* which killed livestock--and at times people. In California, where we are having droughts, coyotes and in some cases, bears are coming into city areas. A bear recently killed a dog and bloodied another dog in the same yard. The owner saw the bear heading for the hills. He had earlier had strange barking from his dogs. I do not know the meaning of *Pitt* in this instance. Anyone?) E.W.Wallace **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001)

Some of the colonial Harrises of Hanover Co., probable descendants of William Harris and Temperance Overton, lived near New Market in Hanover Co. (not to be confused with the New Market prominent in the Civil War, which is in the Shenandoah Valley). Current maps of Hanover Co. show New Market Road. (I have not checked maps which are on line. If you have, post that info on rootsweb please.) One can more readily distinguish common-named ancestors if you know who their associates or neighbors were. Here is one early patent which may be of interest. An abbreviated version of this abstracted patent appears on the Library of Virginia website--under land records. Patent Book No. 14 **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001)

I am sorry you encountered so much trouble in researching in Tennessee. The only research I have done in Tennessee has been *armchair* research. For many of my ancestors, Tennessee was a *pass-through* state--they didn't stay there. One Irishman who ended up in Jackson Purchase country of Kentucky, Trigg Co., moved down to Tennessee to Tipton Co. for a time, prior to 1835-36. He decided he would recruit soldiers to take to Texas to fight the Texian Revolution, so I did some research on him. But that was conducted by borrowing film from the Family History Library in Salt Lake City. For the last few years, but not for 2006, I make a genealogical pilgrimage to Salt Lake City in the wintertime [when the library is crowded with SERIOUS researchers, not families with a lot of kids hogging the computers and making a nuisance of themselves]. There I head for the books, because books are generally indexed. And besides, I like to check on the newish acquisitions. May I suggest that you do a google.com search for *George K. Schweitzer* He is a former professor at a college in Knoxville, TN; is a genealogical lecturer who playacts in costume a lot of his lectures; is a prolific compiler of How TO DO genealogical search books for various States in the US, including of course Tennessee. His books are inexpensive, are easy to slip into a Ziploc bag and take on a genealogical trip, etc. When he gives a lecture, he generally tells you--Do NOT take notes--the info is in the handout or in the syllabus--listen to me!!! Here is the website: _http://www.gensources.com/gensources/Prattsite.htm_ (http://www.gensources.com/gensources/Prattsite.htm) Check on books. Later, check on lectures. If you have an opportunity to hear Dr. Schweitzer, take it, if at all possible. He does NOT like to be challenged!!! He has been in the college classroom too long. Good luck with Harrises. I am back looking at microfilms of deeds of Madison co., KY and find a lot of Harris males or someone who married a Harris female. And when the heirs sold property, there are a LOT more names!!!! E.W.Wallace **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001)

Is there anyone else on this list that descends from my Harris line in these Va. counties ? I don't know which son of Samuel Harris, Sr and Esther unknown my David Harris descends from. Some of my line moved from the counties below to Bedford County, VA and then my line on to Allen Co., Ky. My David Harris was born ca 1760's in Loudoun county and his will is on file 1842 in Allen Co., Ky. ------------------------------------- I was finally able to go over to Loudoun Co. Va. but did not find anything on your David Harris. Everything seems to be on the David Harris that was Samuel's son and William's brother. Here is a list of the microfilm images that I have found and the names mentioned on them. Sorry for the bold but there is so much stuff here. Samuel Harris Deed 1742 - Grant from Thomas Lord Fairfax to Samuel Harris surveyed by Amos Janney on Joseph Dixon's line William Harris Deed 1742 - Grant from Thomas Lord Fairfax to William Harris surveyed by Amos Janney next to Samuel Harris to a line of John Hanby. Harris to West Indenture 1758 - between Samuel Harriss and David Harriss and William West in a line of William Harriss to a corner of land sold by Samuel Harriss Jun to John Anderson. Witnessed by: Joseph manton, Joseph Harriss, William Boork, John Anderson, Tho Owsley, Margaret Burk, Charles Binns, John Hennard, John Johnson Harris ___ to Harris Lease 11 Jun 1764 - Indenture between William Harris and Hannah his wife and David Harris Witnessed by: John Coleman, Isaac Walker, Samuel Dunkin Samuel Harris Will 4 Jan 1757 (4 Mar 1764) - son William, son David, daughter Ann, son Joseph, son Samuel all mentioned. Witnessed by: W West, Wm West Jun, Elender Gardner, Ann West. Ann West became Ann Peyton before the will was proved and recorded. William Harris's inventory 1767 - appraised by John French, William Tayller, Tho Owsley. recorded 14 Sep 1767 Samuel Harris will 1782 - wife Mary and son (unreadable but looks like Asa) executors. son Thomas mentioned. Witnessed by: Joshua Daniel, Jane Daniel Recorded 14 Apr 1783 Mary Harris, Samuel Harris executors. Abraham Dawson and William Harris gave securities. parts of several sentences were not readable. The 1761 Loudoun County Virgina Rent Rolls listed Samuel Harris, William Harris, David Harris. Still to early to be your David. In addition to the wills, I found Jesse Harris on several tithe tables. I still don't know if it is 'my' Jesse. 1772 Jesse Harris, Samuel Coombs,William Cryer, and Robert Campbell - 4 1773 Jesey Harris, Samuel Coombs, Robert Campbell -3 1774 Jesse Harris, Samuel Coombs - 2 1775 Jesse Harris, Samuel Coombs - 2 1777 Jesse Harris, George Nixon, William Nixon -3 1780 Thomas Harris, William harris William Dewer, James Perry - 4 1781 Thomas Harris, William Harris, James Berry - 3 1782 Jesse Harris -1 Jesse Harris married a non-member of the Hopewell Friends Oct 1776 On 29 Mar 1777 Jesse Harris resigns membership, acc & released. I have not been able to find the name of the woman he married. If he married a Frances Ward, d. of William Ward then it would be my Jesse . I still need to review more of the Quaker MM and I will let you know if I see anything on your David. Peggy -----------------------------------------------------------------

Please forward this message to interested parties. My ancestress, Carlisle Harris, was the younger sister of Elizabeth Harris, wife of Joseph Tevis. Carlisle, later Mrs. Michael Lowery. Stoner, died in Texas ca 1859 (1860 Texas Mortality Schedule) E.W.Wallace Caution: Some of this is repetitious, I believe. 4/97 According to an e-mail correspondent, the Tevises came from Maryland. The earliest Tevis to appear in Madison Co. index to WILLS is Nathaniel Tevis - A-186 - 1798; apparently there was another person of the same name, or a continuation of the execution of the will in B-473, 1818 Joseph H. Tevis was married to Elizabeth Harris. (see below) >From Madison Co. KY grantor index - Grubbs, Higgarson & Lucy to Robert Tevis - G-2 - Nov 1808 - 200 A Muddy-Drowning Robert Tevis - Will Index - C414-1823 2001, June - How is Joseph Tevis related to Robert Tevis, resident of Madison Co. in 1795 (DB C-282) JOSEPH TEVIS. He was bondsman for a number of marriages 1823-1851, Madison Co., KY. He was married to Elizabeth Harris, daughter of Overton Harris (d. 1827) and his wife Nancy Oldham. John Franklin Harris seemed to be bondsman for one or two marriages in Madison Co. KY: for his sister Elizabeth and for his brother Solon M. Harris Jul 1837. Whether he himself was married is unknown. Tevis, Joseph H. & Elizabeth Harris; 17 Aug 1829; John Franklin Harris, bondsman; Nancy Harris, mother of bride. Nancy Harris, later Chenault, was the widow of Overton Harris, son of Christopher Harris. Overton died ca. 1827. Tevis died before 23 Dec 1845, the marriage date of a daughter, Nancy Tevis to William Wilkerson. Christopher C. Harris, her probable maternal uncle, was guardian of the bride. In 1841 in Madison Co., Joseph and Elizabeth (Harris) Tevis sold several tracts of land on Otter Creek: DB Z-110, Jun 1, 1841 to Geo. W. Maupin - 183 1/2 A Otter Crk. DB Z-113, June 1, 1841 to Nancy Chenault [Elizabeth's mother] Trust Deed - 35 A Otter Crk. DB Z-113 May 22, 1841 to Waller Chenault 55 A Otter Crk. [Elizabeth's brother-in-law] DB 4-213 Jul 5, 1847 By 1847 Elizabeth MAY have been a widow. She sold 100 A. on Paint Lick Crk to Benjamin Smith By 1847, Elizabeth Tevis may have been a widow. She sold 100 A Paint Lick Cr to Benjamin Smith, DB 4-213 Jul 5, 1847 Refer to biography of Nancy Oldham [not e-mailed], maiden name of the mother of Elizabeth Harris Tevis. In the 1850 census, a James Tevis, a probable grandson of Nancy, appears in Nancy's household. He probably was another child of Joseph Tevis. She is listed in the 1850 census, age 40 (page 302). Actual census has not been read as of Aug 2004 Submitted by E.W.Wallace **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics – check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001)

This is an exceprt from Kentucky Court of Appeals Deed Book A-G: p. 307 George Dabney and Charles Dabney of Hanover county, Virginia, appoint William Dabney of Kentucky as their true and lawful attorney in fact for the purpose of establishing their right and title to all the lands patented in their names or the name of either of them in Kentucky, to defend them against any claim to which any persons may have or make to said lands, and to prosecute in any suit for the attainment of that end, to lease out such lands as he may think expedient, and to perform whatever he may think necessary for their interest in said lands, November 13, 1797. Recorded November 15, 1797, Hanover county, and January 1, 1798 by the Kentucky Court of Appeals. (Source: Michael L. Cook & Bettie A. Cook, Kentucky Court of Appeals Deed Books A-G, Volume 1 [Evansville, IN: Cook Publications, 1985], p. 101) (This is being sent to Harris-Hunters also, as some Harrises of Virginia and Kentucky are descended from female Dabneys and possibly male Dabneys.) If any readers have specific information as to the location(s) of land claimed by any of these Dabneys, please reply--or post to either of the rootsweb lists--VAHanover or Harris-hunters. Thanks in advance. E.W.Wallace **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics – check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001)

Sally Phillips wrote to the Louisa Co., VA rootsweb the following e-mail, which, to me, is rather exciting. This was in response to my earlier message about the Lost Records of Virgina (the finding aid on the LVA website.) Since I wrote to several lists, I am sending this message to those other lists also. I think her message is enlightening about some aspects of colonial life in Virginia. E.W.Wallace Her message This is a follow-up to the Lost Records thread. Check out the Colonial Records Project on the Library of Virginia website. I recently found hundreds of references to my ancestor's shipping family. By the absolute mass of references, and by many synchronicities re names of people and ships, I was able to prove (albeit not definitively) that the family was a merchant taylor family in the 1600s and 1700s, operating between London, the eastern seaboard of America and mostly Virginia, and Caribbean ports. I didn't know the term merchant taylor, but an on-line Phillips guru told me that -- Also, the term "merchant taylor" originally referred only to men who traded in cotton and wool and skins, but gradually merchant taylor came to mean anyone who traded in anything. Merchant taylors owned ships and traded in all sorts of goods. At one point, I ordered an LDS film that listed the names of men who belonged to the merchant taylor guild of London in the 1600s, and I remember seeing the name William Phillips. Descendants of this Phillips family lived in Louisa in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries -- William Phillips (husband of Ann Lewis), Lancelot Phillips, etc. Sally Phillips My response - from E.W.Wallace Merchant Taylor - found in LVA Colonial Records Project What an exciting find! Although I don't have such outstanding ancestors, at least in England, I got excited about this find. Because my maternal grandmother was born in England in 1872, I do a fair amount of English research--easier now that much of the material one needs is now on line. (And my English online friends are most helpful. One grew up in a small village/hamlet where my people had been in the 1880s and told me about the large landholders in that area.) For those who can more or less prove they have English roots [you need to know a place, most of the time] this variant of the search engine google.com may be of help to you google.co.uk I used this URL and plugged in the search term merchant taylor As our contributor found out, in the early days, this seemed to be a guild. I believe there were other links, but I did not stop to examine them. _Merchant Taylors - Home_ (http://www.merchanttaylors.co.uk/) The Merchant Taylors' Company is one of the Great Twelve Livery Companies of the City of London. Founded in the 13th Century as a religious and social ... www.merchanttaylors.co.uk/ - 12k - _Cached_ (http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:crsIca5bkKoJ:www.merchanttaylors.co.uk/+"merchant+taylor"&hl=en&ct=clnk&c d=2&gl=uk&ie=UTF-8) - _Similar pages_ (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=related:www.merchanttaylors.co.uk/) (I hope the google material prints legibly. If not, try it yourself.) If our researcher can get to England [or can hire a researcher through the Society of Genealogists headquartered in London], she may find a lot of material in the Guildhall Library -- not too far from St. Paul's Cathedral. It is a good place to rest and troll the open shelves on a rainy day in London--when the streets are running with water. The Society of Genealogists has a webpage--google for it. This little building is *stuffed* with film, microfilm, and books. But, at times, one may find the non-professional staff are a little snippy about Americans. Why? Because we don't understand their copiers which use a different size paper. You should know that!!!! sniffed one. I hope we treat our tourists with more kindness! Some of the records of Northern Neck counties, more than those clustered around the James River, have some interesting records from time to time about mariners--but not too much detail, unfortunately. Since tobacco was Virginia's most important export--nay, it was the currency of the day--it had to get to markets to be sold!!! And the market was England!!! Years ago, I had to read a book for a modern English class called The Sot Weed Factor. I think it was mostly about early Maryland, but it must have been about the same in Virginia. E.W.Wallace **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002)

Tyree Harris, one of the older sons of Robert Harris, surveyor of colonial Louisa Co., later removed to colonial North Carolina. His dates, as far as I have been able to discover: B. ca 172728 - probably Hanover Co., VA D. ca 1787 Caswell Co., NC His reported first wife was Elizabeth said to be Chapman. His second wife, whom he married in Caswell Co., NC was Mary Ann Simpson. Tyree Harris is NOT my direct ancestor. However, all professional genealogical lecturers say: Collect the siblings, and you will learn a lot about your own ancestor. (And perhaps his brothers-in-law!) Because Tyree Harris--sometimes characterized by others as a trouble-maker--left a lot of records both in Virginia and in North Carolina--I have collected a good deal of information about him. I am willing to share my findings, if you are interested--or know someone who is interested. He or she can take off from there for further research. Tyree Harris's second wife, Mary Ann Simpson, was a sister to my ancestress, Elizabeth or Bettie (Simpson) Oldham, wife of Jesse Oldham, of Northern Neck Virginia, of Orange Co., NC, of Caswell Co., NC and later of Madison co., KY. E.W.Wallace **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002)