pat   again, we have corresponded before in regard to this samuel harris, wife, ann, and, again, i cannot totally identify him but in reviewing, i have noted some things that are relevant and certainly interesting.   the only other samuel harris i know, who may have also been there in lunenburg co, va, is the samuel harris, who was the son of william harris/ judith hudson.   first, here is the info you just posted re this samuel harris, wife, ann.   >From Lunenburg Co. Deed Bk 7-127 June 3, 1761 from James Roberts Jr of Halifax County, to  Samuel Harris of Lunenburg] and Cumberland Parish, for the yearly rent of  the quitrents, have leased and do farm and let a certain tract of land in L  and Cumberland Parish on the******** north side of Meherrin River containing  200 acres, it being the land laid off by***** George Walton *****for John  Loving, unto the said Harris and his wife ******Ann during each of their  natural lives, with the improvements and all other appurtenances belonging  to the land. To the performance of this deed, Roberts binds himself in the  sum of 200 pds., to be paid to Harris after the 1st breach of these articles  above mentioned. Signed - James Roberts. Wit - none. Recorded June 2, 1761  [?] (Source: TLC Genealogy, LUNENBURG COUNTY, VIRGINIA DEED BOOKS  7 & i[1761-1764] [Miami Beach: TLC Genealogy, 1990], p. 17) (This Samuel Harris, wife Ann is different from the Samuel  Harris, Baptist, ) lunenburg co, va deed book 6, page 124, 1759, james roberts,  jr of halifax co, va to ****michael johnson of lunenburg, part obtained in  patent by ****gidion johnson***** for 600 acres, except as it is already leased  to *****samuel harris, joyner, for 5 years. wit: john chandler; saml harris;  charles gravett. So...this Samuel Harris is a joyner  [carpenter] and  he has a wife Ann. He still lives north of the Meherrin in 1776 and he is born  at least by 1738. His lands came from George Walton who shared a border on  Reece's Fork of Twitty's Creek. His first lease with James Roberts was for 5  years, and later he had a lifetime lease with Claiborne.                                                     #   again, this was my william harris, sr/ frances goode, who had a grant for a 1000 acres there in lunenburg co, va in 1752.     in 1755, he sold 900 acres of this land to william reade and the other 100 acres to william tibbs per, again, the following lunenburg co, va deeds.   lunenburg co, va deed book 4, page 213, 1755, william harris of lunenburg co, va to william reade of same for 160 pds,  900 acres at the head branches of the bluestone creek,  bounded by a new line, william tibbs, william harriss' old line.   signed:  william harriss.  witnesses:  robert wooding; thomas  bedford; william jones.  frances, wife of william harris, relinquised her right of dower.            lunenburg co, va deed book 4, p.209: William HARRIS of Lunenburg, to William TIBBS, for £10, a certain tract of land in L (being part of HARRISS’ tract he since sold to Mr. William READ), and bounded by HARRISS’ new line, containing about 100 acres. Signed: William HARRISS. Wit: ROBERT WOODING, Thos. BEDFORD, Wm JONES. Rec. Oct 7, 1755 after Frances, the wife of the said William, relinquished her right of dower.   this was also my william harris, sr/ frances goode, who would have also witnessed the following lunenburg co, va deed wherein william reade sold 100 of these acres to john hight.    lunenburg co, va deed book 4, page 201, 1755, william reade of lunenburg co, va to john hight of same for 16 pds, 100 acres in lunenburg on the head branches of the bluestone creek, being part of a tract of land patented in the name of william harris on nov 13, 1752 and by him conveyed to me by a deed yesterday and bounded by new lines.  signed:  william reade.  witnesses:  william marable; henry may; william harris.   then, i have also noted that there is this lunenburg co, va deed which also connects both william reade and john hight with this same james roberts, jr,  who was also connected with samuel harris, wife, ann.   so, again, these connections are certainly interesting.   lunenburg co, va deed book 4, page 123, william reade of lunenburg co, va to john hight of same for 16 pds, 100 acres in lunenburg and bounded by goode, bluestone creek, it being part of a tract of 1000 acres patented to william harris nov 13, 1752.  signed: william reade.  witnesses:  matthew marable; james roberts, jr; samuel johnson. recorded june 3, 1755.  hannah, wife, of william reade, relinquished her right of dower.   again, it is this same james roberts, jr, who is shown to have leased this land to samuel harris, wife, ann, which you just posted, who was, like my william harris, sr/ frances goode, also involved with william reade and john hight------interesting.   again, and also, per the info, john hight's wife, mary, was a reade either a daughter or sister of william reade and it was john hight/ mary reade's son reade/ reid hight who was the bondsman for david harris' marriage to rebecca gilbert in burke co, nc.   this david harris/ rebecca gilbert is stated to have been the son of minyard harris and grandson of our edward harris, sr of lunenburg/ charlotte co, va whose sons, stephen harris and edward harris, jr also moved to laurens co, sc.   so, again, these connections are certainly interesting and essentially do connect this samuel harris, wife, ann, also with the same individuals/ families there in lunenburg/ halifax cos, va.   i will keep continue to review and  re-study info re this james roberts, jr, etc.   belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8--------26910

Woodrow Harris, For the past 15 years or so, most of the people you mention in your message have appeared in the printed newsletter of Harris Hunters or on this Harris Hunters forum. I must tell you however, that there has been much controversy in the past concerning the early part of the Harris lineage in your descendants list. There are many different opinions regarding the descendants of Sergeant John Harris, although there seems to be no question as to the ancestors of Sergeant John Harris, based on the excellent research of the late Noel Robertson and her conclusions are believed to be accurate by most true Harris researchers. It is true that Sergeant John Harris had a son Thomas, the oldest child, some say born 1614 or 1616, but there is overwhelming evidence that Thomas Harris' only sons were John and Thomas and he had 5 daughters, but no son named Edward. John, the son of Thomas had 9 daughters, but no sons. Thomas, the son of Thomas had 6 sons, as Edward, Thomas, Benjamin, Stephen, John and Robert, and a daughter Mary. It has been reported in some old publications that Thomas Harris, 1616-1672 was the father of Thomas Harris, ca.1630-1688, but based on wills and land records of early Virginia, this claim has proven to be untrue. The Thomas Harris, died 1688 did have a son Edward and there was an Edward Jr., son of Edward. There are other Harris forums, such as "Harris"; "Harris DNA"; "Harris-GenForum" and "Harris-Rootsweb", and I think there is a "Harris-Colonial Virginia". None of these are as active as Harris-Hunters, but do discuss many different branches of Harris. Hope this helps. Sincerely, James E. Hargraves Harris DNA Group 30. In a message dated 11/17/2008 12:16:02 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: For some time now, I have been trying to determine if I am signed up for the correct newsletter regarding the Harrises. My Harris roots, as best I can tell, come down from William Harris abt 1440-1504, John Harris 1475-1520, William Harris, abt 1503-1556, Arthur Harris Esquire abt 1535-1597, William Harris Knight 21 Sep 1556-14 Nov 1616, John Harris Sergeant abt 1588-14 Oct 1638, Thomas Harris abt 1614-aft 30 Mar 1677, Edward Harris abt 1636-aft Aug 1677, Edward Harris Jr. abt 1634-1739, Henry Harris abt 1705-1791, West Harris 10 Mar 1752-24 Oct 1819, Claiborne Harris 4 Mar 1793-18 Apr 1873, Thomas Ware Harris 31 Jan 1827-6 May 1875, Thomas Jefferson Harris 10 Jun 1855-5 Nov 1928, Guy Jennings Harris 20 Oct 1897-28 Sep 1957, Jesse Woodrow Harris 10 Aug 1918-15 Nov 2002, and me! It seems that none of the info posted in this newsletter pertains to my lineage. Is there another newletter I might subscribe to? Thanks for any assistance you might be able to give me on this matter. Best regards,Woodrow Harris [email protected] _________________________________________________________________ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_11 2008 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)

In a message dated 11/17/2008 2:26:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: and who, again, is/ was this edward harris, sr in lunenburg/ charlotte co, va whose sons stephen harris and edward harris, jr also moved to laurens co, sc? are we still trying to figure out who this edward harris, sr was and when do we think this edward harris, sr was born, etc? _____________________ The evidence is circumstantial that the Edward on Twitty's Creek COULD be the son of William Harris/Mary said to be Giles. The descendants of that William are testing to Group 8 DNA. Edward Harris of Louisa had a wife Ann, and he lived in the traditional area given to Group 8 on Cub Creek. He sells out in 1749 in the part of Louisa that was Cub Creek, and by 1751, an Edward Harris is in Lunenburg. The one there has a wife Ann and lives on Reece's Fork of Twitty's Creek, with proven Group 8 descendants. Davis, Rosalie E. Louisa County, Virginia Deed Books A-B. Bellevue , Wash. : Davis , 1976 Book A, p. 369-370, 5 Jan 1749 (1750) Edward Harris of Louisa Co., and his wife, Anne, to William Watkins of Hanover Co. £80 current money. 150 acres and plantation on Cub Creek…William Harris’ corner; part of 400 acres granted ***William Harris, the deceased father of said Edward Harris, *** by patent 24 Mar 1725. Edward (H) Harris ***Anne (X) Harris Wit: John Snead, Miles Burford, Saml. Snead , Israel Snead. 27 Mar 1750 proved by oaths of Miles Burford, Samuel Snead and Israel Snead. Anne Harris acknowledged deed. By 1751, an Edward Harris is on Lydall Bacon's tax list: From Sunlight on the Southside: 1751 sun005.txt - (Part 5) 1751 Tithe List Lydall Bacon's list Edward Harriss ............................................. 1 ************************** ________________________________________ Xpher [Christopher] Johnson ................................ 1 Wm. Lidderdale ............................................. 2 John Wilborn ............................................... 1 Edward Davis ............................................... 1 John Thompson .............................................. 1 Richd. Thompson ............................................ 1 Wm. Hagood and son John ............................................. 2 ____________________________________________________________ 1766 noted with wife Ann: Nance, Joanne Lovelace. Charlotte County , Virginia 1765-1771 Deed Books 1 and 2. Charlottesville , Va. : N.W. Lapin Press, 1990. Bk 1, p. 123 84. p. 123. __ ___ 1766. Edward Harris of Cornwall Parish ***Charlotte Co. to Henry Isbell of same, for 30 pounds, 100 acres in Charlotte on Reads Fork.// All waterways and appurtenances. ***Ann, wife of Edward Harris, mentioned. Signed: Edwd. Harris Witness: none Recorded: 7 Oct 1766 Someone would have to look at original records to see if Edward Harris marked or signed on the last deed. Whoever he is, he has Group 8 descendants. The other Edward Harris who is testing Group 8 lived on both sides of Harris Creek off the Appomatox River in now Prince Edward, formerly Amelia, VA near Abraham Venable and died ca 1747. According to the donor information, that Edward Harris was the one born ca 1675 married to his last wife, Unity. That family through the son Nathaniel Harris went to Rockingham/Orange NC and can be followed. Other parts of that family went to the area of Lexington, KY. **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)

pat   if this edward harris, sr, wife, ann, is the  same of both louisa co, va and lunenburg/ charlotte co, va   and the son of our william harris/ mary giles, the info i have seen on him states that he was born ca 1710 and this edward  harris, wife, ann, would not have been old enough to have  been the father of my william harris, sr/ frances goode.   again, as i have cited many times both my william harris, sr/  frances goode; my william harris, jr/ frances rodgers; my  mackerness goode, sr; his son, our mackerness goode, jr;   john cargill, sr/ rachel tinsley; theirs son, cornelius cargill/ wife, sarah, all obtained these ca 1770 grants there in laurens co, sc where it is shown they continued to be involved with each other there.   my william harris, sr/ frances goode obtained a grant for 300 acres and my william harris, jr/ frances rodgers obtained a grant for 150 acres.  actually, both their grants were applied  for in 1768.   according to sc patent law at this time, you were allowed 100  acres as headright and 50 additional acres for ones wife;  children/ males, who were under the age of 16; and for each slave and/ or servant.   this shows that in 1768 my william harris, jr and frances  rodgers were married but that they had no children.  so, if you  subtract about 20 years from 1768, you get 1748, which is  indicated to have been about when my william harris, jr/ frances rodgers would have been born.   again, i know from a laurens co, sc deed that our william harris,  jr/ frances rodgers was the oldest son of our william harris, sr/ frances goode, who died somewhere intestate by 1796 but it was not in laurens co, sc.    again, despite having gotten this ca 1768/ 1772, 300-acre  grant there in laurens co, sc, there is no evidence that my  william harris, sr/ frances goode ever moved to laurens co, sc or that he died there.   again, since my william harris, jr/ frances goode is indicated to  have been born ca 1748 and to have been the oldest, and for now, the only son of our william harris, sr/ frances goode, if you subtract 20 years from 1748, you get 1728, which, again, is indicated to have been the approximate date of when my  william harris, sr/ frances goode would have been born.   actually the lunenburg co, va info indicates that my william  harris, sr/ frances goode were married by 1746.   again, this was my william harris, sr/ frances goode, who, is shown to have been the overseer for william marable's plantation, finneywood, there in 1746 in lunenburg co, va.   again, a suit ensued re my william harris, sr/ frances goode and william marable and my mackerness goode, sr; his son, our samuel goode gave affadavits re this suit.   our mackerness goode, sr attested that our william harris, sr  and his wife, our frances goode, had moved on to marables'  property in 1746 but does not state that they had any family at  this time.   i repeat all of this not only to show my william harris, sr/ jr's approximate, but somewhat definitive, dates of  birth, but also his earliest connections with our mackerness goode, sr and our goode family there in lunenburg co, va.   again, if edward harris, sr, wife, ann, was the same both there  in louisa co, va and also in lunenburg co, va and he was the  son of our william harris/ mary giles and who is stated to have  been born ca 1710, then, again, edward harris, sr, would not  have been old enough to have been the father of my william harris, sr/ frances goode, who was born ca 1726/ 1728.   another thing i want to look at are these deeds said to have  been for our harris family.     again, there is this louisa co, va deed wherein our edward harris, son of our william harris/ mary giles, sold land to this william harris, who is said to have been the same william harris of goochland co, va and who some have thought was the william harris, son of our william harris/ mary giles.   it is this william harris, whose daughter, agnes is stated to have  married john cawthon, and who, again, continued to live in goochland co, va.   (as an aside, and somewhat ironically, i suppose, i am married  to my husband, who is a cauthen---- but i am a harris!!!)   again, there is this louisa co, va deed wherein edward harris  sold land to this land to this william harris but also the brunswick co, va deed wherein william harris sold land also  there in louisa co, va to stephen harris and both these dates  were recorded on the very same date in the louisa co, va  orders book.   surely that is not just coincidence.     meanwhile other louisa/ hanover co, va deeds connect this  same stephen harris also with your husband's tom harris'  ancestor david harris/ jane landy richardson.   it is this william harris of brunswick co, va, who i believe was  mine and that he was william harris/ judith hudson of brunswick/ lunenburg co, va.   whereas one might have said that this was my william harris, sr/  frances goode, who sold this land in louisa co, va to stephen  harris, as i have just shown and talked about again,  my william harris, sr/ frances goode was born ca 1726/ 1728 and  he could not have been the son of our william harris/ mary giles.   instead, my william harris, sr/ frances goode is indicated to have been the son of a harris and his father, per my studying these lunenburg co, va deeds and connections, is indicated to me to have been william harris/ judith hudson.   if i saw any connections re my william harris, sr/ frances goode with this william harris of goochland co, va, i would definitely say so, but i do not.   again, in this geneagraph kathryn wiggins compiled re our captain thomas harris' line and family, and which can be found in her "harris papers"/ granville co, nc, she has that william harris/ judith hudson was one of the sons of our william harris/ mary giles, brother of your david harris/ jane landry richardson; edward harris, etc.   i agree with her not  because she says so but this is what my own research indicates.     i know that this, of course, disagrees with what lee harris and  or gideon harris thought and wrote, etc, but one needs to look at why they may have come to their conclusions and why i have come to my own conclusions.   at the same time, i am always willing to look at what you and others also find and post.   i cannot say, for now, whether descendants of this william harris of goochland co, va would be a harris match with our harris dna group 8 or not?   again, all i can say is that, per my own research, this william  harris of goochland co, va, is not indicated to have been our/ my harris ancestor and instead that my william harris, sr/ frances goode's father is indicated to have been william harris/ judith hudson also early there in lunenburg co, va.   here again are these deeds showing, as i say, that edward harris, son of our william harris/ mary giles, sold this land to this william harris and that william harris of brunswick co, va sold land also there in louisa co, va to stephen harris, which were recorded on the very same date in louisa co, va.   Louisa County Court 12th day of September 1743, page 73, An Indenture made between William Harris of Brunswick County of the one part and Stephen Harris of Saint Martin’s Parish in the County of Hanover of the other part concerning sixty two acres of land lying in the parish of Fredericksville in this County with a Memorandum of Livery of Seisin and Receipt thereon endorsed ws this day in open Court proved to be the act and deed of the said William Harris by the Oaths of James Waddy, Richard Donalson and John Adams witnesses thereto and admitted to Record. Louisa County Order Book, 1742-1743, page 41-42     Louisa County Court 12th day of September 1743, page 73 An Indenture made between Edward Harris of the Parish of Fredericksville in this County of the one part and William Harris of the Parish and County aforesaid of the other part concerning fifty acres of land lying in the Parish and County aforesaid with a Memorandum of Livery of Seisin and Receipt endorsed was this day in open Court acknowledged by the said Edward Harris as his act and deed and by the Court admitted to Record. Louisa County Order Book, 1742-1743, page 41       belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8-----26910  

For some time now, I have been trying to determine if I am signed up for the correct newsletter regarding the Harrises. My Harris roots, as best I can tell, come down from William Harris abt 1440-1504, John Harris 1475-1520, William Harris, abt 1503-1556, Arthur Harris Esquire abt 1535-1597, William Harris Knight 21 Sep 1556-14 Nov 1616, John Harris Sergeant abt 1588-14 Oct 1638, Thomas Harris abt 1614-aft 30 Mar 1677, Edward Harris abt 1636-aft Aug 1677, Edward Harris Jr. abt 1634-1739, Henry Harris abt 1705-1791, West Harris 10 Mar 1752-24 Oct 1819, Claiborne Harris 4 Mar 1793-18 Apr 1873, Thomas Ware Harris 31 Jan 1827-6 May 1875, Thomas Jefferson Harris 10 Jun 1855-5 Nov 1928, Guy Jennings Harris 20 Oct 1897-28 Sep 1957, Jesse Woodrow Harris 10 Aug 1918-15 Nov 2002, and me! It seems that none of the info posted in this newsletter pertains to my lineage. Is there another newletter I might subscribe to? Thanks for any assistance you might be able to give me on this matter. Best regards,Woodrow Harris [email protected] _________________________________________________________________ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_112008

If anyone would keep a lookout for a Charles Toney when going through Harris records around 1725 on I would appreciate it very much!! I am hoping to document just which Harris line Charles Toney's wife was from. Thank you all! Delbert Calvert Hiestand

this post got sent before i was through with it and i have no idea what key i accidentially hit for it to be sent and/ or to be sent a number of times!!   pat   i am going to respond to both your posts re this samuel harris, wife, ann, and this nehemiah franks but it will just take me time to do this.   first of all, i wish myself that there were more people interested in the harris families and these same families in lunenburg co, va and who knew more about them.   all i can do is cite what i have noted per these lunenburg co, va deeds, etc, and what this info does show and indicate to me.    i am definitely interested in this nehemiah franks.  you are right he is definitely shown to have been involved with edward harris, sr and his sons there on twitty's creek, per these lunenburg co/ charlotte co, va deeds and he was the same nehemiah frank/ franks who also moved to laurens co, sc.   the following laurens co, sc deed associates nehemiah franks there with james mc lauglin and charles allen.   laurens co, sc deed book B, page 234, 1787, nehemiah franks to marshall franks for 50 pds, 50 acres, part of grant to charles allen in 1773, conveyed to nehemiah franks in 1774.  witnesses:  james mc laughlin; william turner.     this was james mc lauglin's son john mc laughlin, who married before 1800 laurens co, sc our sarah goode harris, sister of my/ our charles harris/ jane cannon, children of our william harris, jr/ frances rodgers who died in 1799 in laurens co, sc.   again, this was charles allen, jr/ lucy bacon, son of charles allen, sr also of lunenburg co, va. charles allen, jr died in laurens co, sc and his widow lucy bacon allen remarried charles smith.   again, it was charles allen, jr/ lucy bacon smith's  daughter mary/ polly allen, who also married before or ca 1800 in laurens co, sc our john l. harris, also brother of my charles harris/ jane cannon, sons  also of our william harris, jr/ frances rodgers.   again, in regard to the allens, charles allen, sr is shown, per these lunenburg co, va deeds, to have been involved there with james burton, jr and sr, whose son thomas burton also moved to and died in laurens co, sc.   lunenburg co, va deed book 6, page 107, 1760, silvanus walker, jr of lunenburg co, va and his wife, sarah, to charles allen of same for 250 pds, 200 acres in lunenburg co, va on the north side of the staunton river bounded by ornsby; goode.  signed: silvanus walker, jr.  witnesses:  william perry; james burton, jr; mary perry, her mark.  sarah, wife of silvanus walker, jr, relinquised her dower rights.   lunenburg co, va deed book 6, page 121, 1760, james burton of lunenburg co, va to silvanus walker, jr of same for 100 pds, 200 acres on the north side of the staunton river and bounded by ornsby and goode.  signed:  james burton.  witnesses:  charles allen, william perry.  mary perry, her mark. judith, wife of james burton, reliquished her dower rights.   again, it was also james burton, sr's daughter agnes burton who married james hudson, son of peter hudson, sr and james burton was also named as a legatee of peter hudson, sr.   again, land my charles harris/ jane cannon owned in laurens co, sc with james holley had belonged previously to sylvanus walker, and bordered on lydall allen, who was also the son of charles allen, jr/ lucy bacon smith and involved some kind of suit with thomas burton.   laurens co, sc deed book J, page 64, 1809, john clark, sheriff, to james holley and charles harris for $53, 150 acres former property of silvanus walker on raborn creek bordered on jonathan downs; lydall allen; robert creswell, sold by writ of fi fa at suit of exix and exor of thomas burton, deceased.  witnesses:  william irby;  john mc harg; john garlington, c.c   so, these connections are just very involved period and how does one single out what is the most important and relevant connection or connections?   the thing is nehemiah franks is not the only marker or certainly the earliest for my interest in my william harris, sr/ frances goode and my william harris, jr/ frances rodgers from this lunenburg co, va area on into laurens co, sc.   instead, the earliest markers for my william harris, sr/ frances goode and my william harris, jr/ frances rodgers both there in this lunenburg co, va area and on into laurens co, sc would be my mackerness goode, sr; john cargill, sr/ rachel tinsley; and their son, cornelius cargill, who also by 1770 had obtained these grants in laurens co, sc and who continued to be significantly involved with each other there, which, again, i have cited many times, per both these grants in laurens co, sc and these connections there in lunenburg co, va.   edward harris, sr's sons stephen harris and edward harris, jr are not indicated to have moved to laurens co, sc until 1790/ 1800.   again, as i have said in the past, there are certainly things, per both the records there both in this lunenburg co, va area, as well as in laurens co, sc, which have always indicated to me that my william harris, sr/ frances goode and their son, my william harris, jr/ frances rodgers, who died in 1799 in laurens co, sc, were related to edward harris, sr and his sons but the question has always been to me ----------is how were/ are they related?   again, it was not until both our harris descendants participated in the harris dna project that i knew for sure that we were/ are related harris families.   and who, again, is/ was this edward harris, sr in lunenburg/ charlotte co, va whose sons stephen harris and edward harris, jr also moved to laurens co, sc?   are we still trying to figure out who this edward harris, sr was and when do we think this edward harris, sr was born, etc?   of course, we only have two choices-----either this edward harris, sr is descending from our william harris/ mary giles (?) b ca 1672 or his brother, edward harris b ca 1674, sons of our major william harris, whose widow, alice, re-married george alvis.       belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8-------26910  

Why don't we ever talk about the connections to Richard Harris and other Harrises mentioned in these Lunenburg deeds? These locations are either on or north of the Meherrin River which separates Lunenburg from Mecklenburg VA. Land in Lunenburg Co. VA Benjamin [Hawkins] 3 Oct 1751 " 2 337 James Mitchell 840 ac joining Thomas Harris, John Harris, and ***George Walton, being 1/2 of a greater grant to said Benjamin Hawkins' 2480 acres _http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:aFmOSNIBh-QJ:www.southern-style.com/burs onram/pafn10.htm+%22MOSES+SANDERS%22+HARRIS&hl=en&ie=UTF-8_ (http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:aFmOSNIBh-QJ:www.southern-style.com/bursonram/pafn10.htm+" MOSES+SANDERS"+HARRIS&hl=en&ie=UTF-8) >From Lunenburg Co. Deed Bk 7-127 June 3, 1761 from James Roberts Jr of Halifax County, to Samuel Harris of Lunenburg] and Cumberland Parish, for the yearly rent of the quitrents, have leased and do farm and let a certain tract of land in L and Cumberland Parish on the******** north side of Meherrin River containing 200 acres, it being the land laid off by***** George Walton *****for John Loving, unto the said Harris and his wife ******Ann during each of their natural lives, with the improvements and all other appurtenances belonging to the land. To the performance of this deed, Roberts binds himself in the sum of 200 pds., to be paid to Harris after the 1st breach of these articles above mentioned. Signed - James Roberts. Wit - none. Recorded June 2, 1761 [?] (Source: TLC Genealogy, LUNENBURG COUNTY, VIRGINIA DEED BOOKS 7 & i[1761-1764] [Miami Beach: TLC Genealogy, 1990], p. 17) (This Samuel Harris, wife Ann is different from the Samuel Harris, Baptist, ) lunenburg co, va deed book 6, page 124, 1759, james roberts, jr of halifax co, va to ****michael johnson of lunenburg, part obtained in patent by ****gidion johnson***** for 600 acres, except as it is already leased to *****samuel harris, joyner, for 5 years. wit: john chandler; saml harris; charles gravett. So...this Samuel Harris is a joyner [carpenter] and he has a wife Ann. He still lives north of the Meherrin in 1776 and he is born at least by 1738. His lands came from George Walton who shared a border on Reece's Fork of Twitty's Creek. His first lease with James Roberts was for 5 years, and later he had a lifetime lease with Claiborne . 3 January 1749 O. S., Page 258 On the Petition of George Walton ******and others, It is Ordered that a Road be lay.d open and Cleared from Randolphs Road a little above George Moores the nearest and best way to the Mouth of Finny Wood,[Creek] and Thomas Nance is Appointed Surveyor thereof from Randolphs Road to Robertsons Fork of Meherrin River, and it is Ordered that he together with Peter Rowlet, Robert Haislop, John Nance Jur. Richard Nance Junr. Richard Thompson John Willingham Junr. Thomas Crenshaw James Breedlove and George Waltons**************** Male Labouring Tithables, do forthwith lay open, Clear and keep the same in Repair According to Law, and Joseph Williams is Appointed Surveyor thereof from the *********Robertsons Fork of Meherrin River to the Mouth of Finny Wood,[Creek] ******and it is Ordered that he together with the Male Labouring Tithables at Johnsons Quarter, William Dobbyns.s and Silvanus Stokes.s Male Labouring Tithable Persons do forthwith lay open Clear and keep the same in Repair According to Law. _http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf_ (http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf) Typ patent Ref VPB 36:874 Dat 16 Sep 1765 To George Walton**************************************************************************** Con £3 Re 1000a Charlotte/ both sides of Reses fork of Twittys Cr. !404a part Granted sd George Waltin 20Aug1760 !And 596a the residue never before Granted loc 21993 33141 F127 L0 P255 Pt 0. Vaughan's corner hickory on the sd fork of Twittys creek Ln N28E; 274P; Vaughan Pt 1. Pointers Ln ne; 248p; Jones Pt 2. ro Ln S45E; 20P; Pt 3. ro Ln N45E; 12P; Pt 4. Pointers Ln s74e; 215p; Osborne Pt 5. ro Ln s60w; 120p; Smithson Pt 6. P Ln S5W; 32P; Pt 7. Williamson's corner Pointers in the same Ln n60w; 100p; Williamson Pt 8. P Ln S44W; 114P; Pt 9. p Ln S10E; 180P; Pt 10. great P Ln S26W; 104P; Pt 11. blj Ln S63W; 134P; Pt 12. wo Ln S18W; 42P; Pt 13. hickory Ln S; 72P; Pt 14. great P Ln s11w; 62p; Brown Pt 15. P Ln N60W; 62P; Pt 16. Pointers Ln S85W; 94P; Pt 17. chesnut Ln N45W; 164P; Pt 18. double chesnut oak Ln N40E; 214P; Pt 19. Pointers lc s68e; 42p; Vaughan end Charlotte DM !* Typ patent !55a of 3776a in PB32p32 Ref VPB 32:32 Dat 5 Feb 1753 To Benjamin Hawkins Con £15 Re 3776a Lunenburg/ on both sides of Juniper Creek********* loc 35594 26338 F127 L0 P255 Pt 0. at Willinghams Corner small Ash on the said Creek !thence along his line E316P to Ln e; 316p; Willingham Pt 1. white oak thence off N20E 155P Ln n20e; 155p; Pt 2. pine N80W 220P to Ln n80w; 220p; Pt 3. pointers N52W 332P to Ln n52w; 332p; Pt 4. small Hiccory N20W 80P to Ln n20w; 80p; Pt 5. red oak N70W 234P to Ln n70w; 234p; Pt 6. pine W93P to Ln w; 93p; Pt 7. pine N55W 394P to Ln n55w; 394p; Pt 8. Waltons Corner Black Jack*********************************************************************** !thence along his lines S80P to Ln s; 80p; Walton Pt 9. pine S40W 320P to Ln s40w; 320p; Pt 10. pine S48E 6P to Ln s48e; 6p; Pt 11. red Oak S38W 142P to Ln s38w; 142p; Pt 12. hiccory S60P to Ln s; 60p; Pt 13. white oak S62W 52P to Ln s62w; 52p; Pt 14. hiccory S31E 118P to Ln s31e; 118p; Pt 15. gum thence New lines N55E 334P to Ln n55e; 334p; Pt 16. pointers S30E 200P to Ln s30e; 200p; Pt 17. Gum S65E 360P to Ln s65e; 360p; Pt 18. pointers S190P to Ln s; 190p; Pt 19. Roberts's Corner red Oak !thence along his line the same Course Continued 90P to Ln s; 90p; Roberts Pt 20. white Oak by Breedloves Creek !thence down the said Creek as it Meanders to Lm ; ; dwn Breedloves Cr. Pt 21. Blackstones Line thence along his line N83E 224P to Ln n83e; 224p; Blackstone Pt 22. his Corners Pointers in Breedloves Line !thence along his Lines N15W 44P to Ln n15w; 44p; Breedlove Pt 23. pointers N50E 180P to Ln n50e; 180p; Pt 24. pine E24P to Ln e; 24p; Pt 25. hiccory by the said Juniper Creek and !thence up the same as it Meanders to the first Station Lm nw; 100p; up Juniper Cr. end ! Charlotte DM [Willingham is also found as Winningham ~ Pat] Juniper Creek is located here: 2 October 1753 N. S., Page 448 On the Petition of Joseph Johnson & others Leave is Granted them to lay open & Clear a Road the Nearest and best Way from Silvanus Stokes.s Sr. ************on the Ridge between between the Junaper and the Middle River of Maherrin down Johnsons Roling road to Silvanus Walkers Bridge at Scotts foard on the north fork of Maherrin River, *******And the said Joseph Johnson is appointed Surveyor thereof _http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf_ (http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf) Juniper Creek is also known as Turnip Creek in Lunenburg, ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------- Deeds Grantors date Inst Bk pg Grantee Hawkins Benjamin Hawkins 1 Sep 1746 deed 1 73 James Barnes Benjamin Hawkins 3 Jul 1750 " 2 37 Geo. Walton Benj.Hawkins of Amelia Co. Geor. of Lunnenburg for 82 #'s 6s Land in Luenenburg Co.on *****North Fork Meherrin River 4 and 4 acres adj.************** Richard Harris,Sr. ******patented Benj. Hawkins May 20 part of 2080 ac. Wit: by Jas. (his mark) Bradlow, John (his mark) Willingham, signed Benj. Hawkins Benjamin Hawkins 2 Apr 1751 " 2 176 Barne Wells _http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:Q2NxJoRbdrcJ:www.southern-style.com/burs onram/bursonram/pafn10.htm++%22cumberland+parish%22+harris+genealogy+virginia& hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=14&ie=UTF-8_ (http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:Q2NxJoRbdrcJ:www.southern-style.com/bursonram/bursonram/pafn10.htm++"cumberland+pa rish"+harris+genealogy+virginia&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=14&ie=UTF-8) Land in Lunenburg Co. Benjamin Hawkins 3 Oct 1751 " 2 337 James Mitchell 840 ac joining Thomas Harris, John Harris, and*** George Walton, being 1/2 of a greater grant to said Benjamin Hawkins' 2480 acres Thomas Hawkins 7 Apr 1750 deed 2 187 James Parish Thomas Hawkins 7 Dec 1747 " 2 384 Wm Warren Tucker Thomas Hawkins 7 Apr 1752 " 2 412 Mathew Tanner Thomas Hawkins 1 May 1753 Bond 3 244 King Geo III Thomas Hawkins 7 Aug 1753 Bond 3 349 King Geo III Benjamin Hawkins 5 Feb 1753 Deed 3 420 Henry Isbell******** Thomas Hawkins 1 Oct 1754 " 4 405 Robert Coleman _http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:Q2NxJoRbdrcJ:www.southern-style.com/burso nram/bursonram/pafn10.htm++%22cumberland+parish%22+harris+genealogy+virginia&h l=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=14&ie=UTF-8_ (http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:Q2NxJoRbdrcJ:www.southern-style.com/bursonram/bursonram/pafn10.htm++"cumberland+pari sh"+harris+genealogy+virginia&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=14&ie=UTF-8) The Hawkins have definite Group 8 ties with the marriage of Robert Hawkins, son of Benjamin Hawkins and Sarah of Rush Hudson to Sarah Frances Gilliam, d/o James Gilliam and Francis Hopkins. James Gilliam's other daughter Martha Taylor Gilliam married Gideon Harris of Lewis Harris of David Harris Group 8. Robert Hawkins and Sarah Frances Gilliam's daughter Sarah Hawkins then married Giles Claiborne Harris, son of Gideon Harris/Martha Taylor Gilliam, so close cousin marriages in TN. **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)

pat   i am going to respond to both your posts re this samuel harris, wife, ann, and this nehemiah franks but it will just take me time to do this.   first of all, i wish myself that there were more people interested in the harris families and these same families in lunenburg co, va and who knew more about them.   all i can do is cite what i have noted per these lunenburg co, va deeds, etc, and what this info does show and indicate to me.    i am definitely interested in this nehemiah franks.  you are right he is definitely shown to have been involved with edward harris, sr and his sons there in --- On Mon, 11/17/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Nehemiah Franks/Twitty Ck Lunenburg /Charlotte VA To: [email protected] Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 8:24 AM So often the name of Nehemiah Franks has been used as a marker to connect the /Lunenburg/Mecklenburg Virginia Harrises to Laurens South Carolina. The following documents show his location in relation to the family of Edward Harris, Group 8 DNA, who lived on Reece's Fork of Twitty's Creek in Charlotte, formerly Lunenburg, VA. Nehemiah Frank/Franks was married to Mary Peake SC and did move to SC. Lunenburg Co Va Road Orders 1746-1764 8 December 1763, Page 300 On the Motion of Thomas Bedford Gentleman he has leave to open a Bridle way from his Mill to Martins Roling Road, and that the said Bedford have the directing of it And that Nehemiah Frank,****** Robert Davis, John Sullivant, Joshua Wharton, William Elliss, Richard Elliss, Benjamin Smith,***** Edward Harris and ***Maynard Harris do Assist in clearing the said intended way -- but not to be Exhivitted from Working on other Roads _http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf_ (http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf) 1 November 1757, Page 3 Ordered that a Road be laid Open and Cleared the best and most Convenient Way from the Road opposite to Abraham Martins House to Kings Road, and the said Abraham Martin is Appointed Surveyor thereof, and it is Ordered that he together with his Own Male Labouring Tithables, Abraham Vaughn, Robert Davis and his Son, Benjamin Adkins, Richard Ellis, William Ellis, John Sansum, Joshua Wharton, John Silcock, ********Edward Harris & ***William Gillum, do forthwith lay open Clear and keep the same in Repair According to Law. _http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf_ (http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf) Maynard Harris was made guardian of a William Gilliam's children in later Charlotte documents, went to NC, and some of that Harris family moved to Laurens, SC. 5 February 1760, Page 54 Thomas Nance is appointed Surveyor of the Road Leading from Randolphs fork up to the Head of Reeses fork where**** Edward Harris.s Path Crosses Kings Road, And it is ordered that he together with the following male Labouring Tithable Persons, towit, Hills and his, Petis.s & his, and Richard Hix Thomas Foster, &****** Micajah Smithson, do forthwith Clear and keep the same in Repair According to Law. _http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf_ (http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf) ! Typ patent Ref VPB 40:517 Dat 3 Aug 1771 To Maynard Harris Con 40 Shillings Re 400a Lunenburg/ on the Brs of Reeces fork of Twitty's Creek loc 14954 32283 F127 L0 P255 Pt 0. Nehemiah Franks *******and Robert Davis's corner small red Oak Ln n7.5e; 171p; Robert Davis Pt 1. a white Oak on Edward Harris's Line Ln S74E; 252P; Edward Harris Pt 2. Pointers Ln N69E; 38P; Pt 3. his own corner small Pine Ln s39e; 160p; his own line Pt 4. white Oak on the same Ln S59W; 140P; Pt 5. white Oak Ln N81W; 300P; Pt 6. red Oak on Nehemiah Frank's Line lc N39E; 40P; Nehemiah Frank end ! Charlotte DM !* Typ patent Ref VPB 37:13 Dat 10 Jul 1767 To Nehemiah Frank Con £4.S10 Re 870a Charlotte/ on the Horsepen and Twitty's Creek loc 11368 36976 F127 L0 P255 Pt 0. Martin's old Patent corner pine Ln N81W; 268P; Martin Pt 1. Pointers Ln N10E; 78P; Pt 2. p Ln N39E; 62P; Pt 3. Sansoms corner p Ln n39e; 180P; Sansom Pt 4. wO Ln N20W; 240P; Pt 5. his corner wO Ln n50e; 104p; Sullivan Pt 6. Branch of Twitty's Creek Lm ; ; up a branch of Twitty's Cr. Pt 7. 6 pines on the head thereof Ln S45E; 52P; Pt 8. P Ln S35E; 120P; Pt 9. wO Ln E; 96P; Pt 10. wO Ln S25W; 63P; Pt 11. rO in his own Line Ln s25w; 366p; Pt 12. p lc n71w; 18p; Martin end ! Charlotte DM ! Typ patent Ref VPB 33:872 Dat 20 Aug 1760 To Tyree Glenn******** ! [to Robert Davis?] Con 25Sh. Re 253a Lunenburg/ on the branches of Twittys Cr. loc 12834 28442 F127 L0 P255 Pt 0. at Turners corner pointers in Jones's line Ln s10e; 322p; Turner Pt 1. p in Franks line Ln s70e; 160p; Frank************************************** Pt 2. ro thence a new line Ln n7e; 148p; Pt 3. wo in Jones's line and Ln n78w; 28p; Jones Pt 4. p Ln n40w; 214p; Pt 5. wo Ln n7e; 44p; Pt 6. p lc n78w; 68p; end ! Charlotte DM**** These relationships push the Harris connection to SC into Edward Harris territory north of the Meherrin River. **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. 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pat   i am going to respond to both your posts re this samuel harris, wife, ann, and this nehemiah franks but it will just take me time to do this.   first of all, i wish myself that there were more people interested in the harris families and these same families in lunenburg co, va and who knew more about them.   all i can do is cite what i have noted per these lunenburg co, va deeds, etc, and what this info does show and indicate to me.    i am definitely interested in this nehemiah franks.  --- On Mon, 11/17/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Nehemiah Franks/Twitty Ck Lunenburg /Charlotte VA To: [email protected] Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 8:24 AM So often the name of Nehemiah Franks has been used as a marker to connect the /Lunenburg/Mecklenburg Virginia Harrises to Laurens South Carolina. The following documents show his location in relation to the family of Edward Harris, Group 8 DNA, who lived on Reece's Fork of Twitty's Creek in Charlotte, formerly Lunenburg, VA. Nehemiah Frank/Franks was married to Mary Peake SC and did move to SC. Lunenburg Co Va Road Orders 1746-1764 8 December 1763, Page 300 On the Motion of Thomas Bedford Gentleman he has leave to open a Bridle way from his Mill to Martins Roling Road, and that the said Bedford have the directing of it And that Nehemiah Frank,****** Robert Davis, John Sullivant, Joshua Wharton, William Elliss, Richard Elliss, Benjamin Smith,***** Edward Harris and ***Maynard Harris do Assist in clearing the said intended way -- but not to be Exhivitted from Working on other Roads _http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf_ (http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf) 1 November 1757, Page 3 Ordered that a Road be laid Open and Cleared the best and most Convenient Way from the Road opposite to Abraham Martins House to Kings Road, and the said Abraham Martin is Appointed Surveyor thereof, and it is Ordered that he together with his Own Male Labouring Tithables, Abraham Vaughn, Robert Davis and his Son, Benjamin Adkins, Richard Ellis, William Ellis, John Sansum, Joshua Wharton, John Silcock, ********Edward Harris & ***William Gillum, do forthwith lay open Clear and keep the same in Repair According to Law. _http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf_ (http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf) Maynard Harris was made guardian of a William Gilliam's children in later Charlotte documents, went to NC, and some of that Harris family moved to Laurens, SC. 5 February 1760, Page 54 Thomas Nance is appointed Surveyor of the Road Leading from Randolphs fork up to the Head of Reeses fork where**** Edward Harris.s Path Crosses Kings Road, And it is ordered that he together with the following male Labouring Tithable Persons, towit, Hills and his, Petis.s & his, and Richard Hix Thomas Foster, &****** Micajah Smithson, do forthwith Clear and keep the same in Repair According to Law. _http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf_ (http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf) ! Typ patent Ref VPB 40:517 Dat 3 Aug 1771 To Maynard Harris Con 40 Shillings Re 400a Lunenburg/ on the Brs of Reeces fork of Twitty's Creek loc 14954 32283 F127 L0 P255 Pt 0. Nehemiah Franks *******and Robert Davis's corner small red Oak Ln n7.5e; 171p; Robert Davis Pt 1. a white Oak on Edward Harris's Line Ln S74E; 252P; Edward Harris Pt 2. Pointers Ln N69E; 38P; Pt 3. his own corner small Pine Ln s39e; 160p; his own line Pt 4. white Oak on the same Ln S59W; 140P; Pt 5. white Oak Ln N81W; 300P; Pt 6. red Oak on Nehemiah Frank's Line lc N39E; 40P; Nehemiah Frank end ! Charlotte DM !* Typ patent Ref VPB 37:13 Dat 10 Jul 1767 To Nehemiah Frank Con £4.S10 Re 870a Charlotte/ on the Horsepen and Twitty's Creek loc 11368 36976 F127 L0 P255 Pt 0. Martin's old Patent corner pine Ln N81W; 268P; Martin Pt 1. Pointers Ln N10E; 78P; Pt 2. p Ln N39E; 62P; Pt 3. Sansoms corner p Ln n39e; 180P; Sansom Pt 4. wO Ln N20W; 240P; Pt 5. his corner wO Ln n50e; 104p; Sullivan Pt 6. Branch of Twitty's Creek Lm ; ; up a branch of Twitty's Cr. Pt 7. 6 pines on the head thereof Ln S45E; 52P; Pt 8. P Ln S35E; 120P; Pt 9. wO Ln E; 96P; Pt 10. wO Ln S25W; 63P; Pt 11. rO in his own Line Ln s25w; 366p; Pt 12. p lc n71w; 18p; Martin end ! Charlotte DM ! Typ patent Ref VPB 33:872 Dat 20 Aug 1760 To Tyree Glenn******** ! [to Robert Davis?] Con 25Sh. Re 253a Lunenburg/ on the branches of Twittys Cr. loc 12834 28442 F127 L0 P255 Pt 0. at Turners corner pointers in Jones's line Ln s10e; 322p; Turner Pt 1. p in Franks line Ln s70e; 160p; Frank************************************** Pt 2. ro thence a new line Ln n7e; 148p; Pt 3. wo in Jones's line and Ln n78w; 28p; Jones Pt 4. p Ln n40w; 214p; Pt 5. wo Ln n7e; 44p; Pt 6. p lc n78w; 68p; end ! Charlotte DM**** These relationships push the Harris connection to SC into Edward Harris territory north of the Meherrin River. **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. 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pat   i am going to respond to both your posts re this samuel harris, wife, ann, and this nehemiah franks but it will just take me time to do this.   first of all, i wish myself that there were more people interested in the harris families and these same families in lunenburg co, va and who knew more about them.   all i can do is cite what i have noted per these lunenburg co, va deeds, etc, and what this info does show and indicate to me.    i am definitely interested in this nehemiah --- On Mon, 11/17/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Nehemiah Franks/Twitty Ck Lunenburg /Charlotte VA To: [email protected] Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 8:24 AM So often the name of Nehemiah Franks has been used as a marker to connect the /Lunenburg/Mecklenburg Virginia Harrises to Laurens South Carolina. The following documents show his location in relation to the family of Edward Harris, Group 8 DNA, who lived on Reece's Fork of Twitty's Creek in Charlotte, formerly Lunenburg, VA. Nehemiah Frank/Franks was married to Mary Peake SC and did move to SC. Lunenburg Co Va Road Orders 1746-1764 8 December 1763, Page 300 On the Motion of Thomas Bedford Gentleman he has leave to open a Bridle way from his Mill to Martins Roling Road, and that the said Bedford have the directing of it And that Nehemiah Frank,****** Robert Davis, John Sullivant, Joshua Wharton, William Elliss, Richard Elliss, Benjamin Smith,***** Edward Harris and ***Maynard Harris do Assist in clearing the said intended way -- but not to be Exhivitted from Working on other Roads _http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf_ (http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf) 1 November 1757, Page 3 Ordered that a Road be laid Open and Cleared the best and most Convenient Way from the Road opposite to Abraham Martins House to Kings Road, and the said Abraham Martin is Appointed Surveyor thereof, and it is Ordered that he together with his Own Male Labouring Tithables, Abraham Vaughn, Robert Davis and his Son, Benjamin Adkins, Richard Ellis, William Ellis, John Sansum, Joshua Wharton, John Silcock, ********Edward Harris & ***William Gillum, do forthwith lay open Clear and keep the same in Repair According to Law. _http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf_ (http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf) Maynard Harris was made guardian of a William Gilliam's children in later Charlotte documents, went to NC, and some of that Harris family moved to Laurens, SC. 5 February 1760, Page 54 Thomas Nance is appointed Surveyor of the Road Leading from Randolphs fork up to the Head of Reeses fork where**** Edward Harris.s Path Crosses Kings Road, And it is ordered that he together with the following male Labouring Tithable Persons, towit, Hills and his, Petis.s & his, and Richard Hix Thomas Foster, &****** Micajah Smithson, do forthwith Clear and keep the same in Repair According to Law. _http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf_ (http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf) ! Typ patent Ref VPB 40:517 Dat 3 Aug 1771 To Maynard Harris Con 40 Shillings Re 400a Lunenburg/ on the Brs of Reeces fork of Twitty's Creek loc 14954 32283 F127 L0 P255 Pt 0. Nehemiah Franks *******and Robert Davis's corner small red Oak Ln n7.5e; 171p; Robert Davis Pt 1. a white Oak on Edward Harris's Line Ln S74E; 252P; Edward Harris Pt 2. Pointers Ln N69E; 38P; Pt 3. his own corner small Pine Ln s39e; 160p; his own line Pt 4. white Oak on the same Ln S59W; 140P; Pt 5. white Oak Ln N81W; 300P; Pt 6. red Oak on Nehemiah Frank's Line lc N39E; 40P; Nehemiah Frank end ! Charlotte DM !* Typ patent Ref VPB 37:13 Dat 10 Jul 1767 To Nehemiah Frank Con £4.S10 Re 870a Charlotte/ on the Horsepen and Twitty's Creek loc 11368 36976 F127 L0 P255 Pt 0. Martin's old Patent corner pine Ln N81W; 268P; Martin Pt 1. Pointers Ln N10E; 78P; Pt 2. p Ln N39E; 62P; Pt 3. Sansoms corner p Ln n39e; 180P; Sansom Pt 4. wO Ln N20W; 240P; Pt 5. his corner wO Ln n50e; 104p; Sullivan Pt 6. Branch of Twitty's Creek Lm ; ; up a branch of Twitty's Cr. Pt 7. 6 pines on the head thereof Ln S45E; 52P; Pt 8. P Ln S35E; 120P; Pt 9. wO Ln E; 96P; Pt 10. wO Ln S25W; 63P; Pt 11. rO in his own Line Ln s25w; 366p; Pt 12. p lc n71w; 18p; Martin end ! Charlotte DM ! Typ patent Ref VPB 33:872 Dat 20 Aug 1760 To Tyree Glenn******** ! [to Robert Davis?] Con 25Sh. Re 253a Lunenburg/ on the branches of Twittys Cr. loc 12834 28442 F127 L0 P255 Pt 0. at Turners corner pointers in Jones's line Ln s10e; 322p; Turner Pt 1. p in Franks line Ln s70e; 160p; Frank************************************** Pt 2. ro thence a new line Ln n7e; 148p; Pt 3. wo in Jones's line and Ln n78w; 28p; Jones Pt 4. p Ln n40w; 214p; Pt 5. wo Ln n7e; 44p; Pt 6. p lc n78w; 68p; end ! Charlotte DM**** These relationships push the Harris connection to SC into Edward Harris territory north of the Meherrin River. **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. 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pat   i am going to respond to both your posts re this samuel harris, wife, ann, and this nehemiah franks but it will just take me time to do this.   first of all, i wish myself that there were more people interested in the harris families and these same families in lunenburg co, va and who knew more about them.   all i can do is cite what i have noted per these lunenburg co, va deeds, etc, and what this info does show and indicate to me.    i am definitely --- On Mon, 11/17/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Nehemiah Franks/Twitty Ck Lunenburg /Charlotte VA To: [email protected] Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 8:24 AM So often the name of Nehemiah Franks has been used as a marker to connect the /Lunenburg/Mecklenburg Virginia Harrises to Laurens South Carolina. The following documents show his location in relation to the family of Edward Harris, Group 8 DNA, who lived on Reece's Fork of Twitty's Creek in Charlotte, formerly Lunenburg, VA. Nehemiah Frank/Franks was married to Mary Peake SC and did move to SC. Lunenburg Co Va Road Orders 1746-1764 8 December 1763, Page 300 On the Motion of Thomas Bedford Gentleman he has leave to open a Bridle way from his Mill to Martins Roling Road, and that the said Bedford have the directing of it And that Nehemiah Frank,****** Robert Davis, John Sullivant, Joshua Wharton, William Elliss, Richard Elliss, Benjamin Smith,***** Edward Harris and ***Maynard Harris do Assist in clearing the said intended way -- but not to be Exhivitted from Working on other Roads _http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf_ (http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf) 1 November 1757, Page 3 Ordered that a Road be laid Open and Cleared the best and most Convenient Way from the Road opposite to Abraham Martins House to Kings Road, and the said Abraham Martin is Appointed Surveyor thereof, and it is Ordered that he together with his Own Male Labouring Tithables, Abraham Vaughn, Robert Davis and his Son, Benjamin Adkins, Richard Ellis, William Ellis, John Sansum, Joshua Wharton, John Silcock, ********Edward Harris & ***William Gillum, do forthwith lay open Clear and keep the same in Repair According to Law. _http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf_ (http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf) Maynard Harris was made guardian of a William Gilliam's children in later Charlotte documents, went to NC, and some of that Harris family moved to Laurens, SC. 5 February 1760, Page 54 Thomas Nance is appointed Surveyor of the Road Leading from Randolphs fork up to the Head of Reeses fork where**** Edward Harris.s Path Crosses Kings Road, And it is ordered that he together with the following male Labouring Tithable Persons, towit, Hills and his, Petis.s & his, and Richard Hix Thomas Foster, &****** Micajah Smithson, do forthwith Clear and keep the same in Repair According to Law. _http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf_ (http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf) ! Typ patent Ref VPB 40:517 Dat 3 Aug 1771 To Maynard Harris Con 40 Shillings Re 400a Lunenburg/ on the Brs of Reeces fork of Twitty's Creek loc 14954 32283 F127 L0 P255 Pt 0. Nehemiah Franks *******and Robert Davis's corner small red Oak Ln n7.5e; 171p; Robert Davis Pt 1. a white Oak on Edward Harris's Line Ln S74E; 252P; Edward Harris Pt 2. Pointers Ln N69E; 38P; Pt 3. his own corner small Pine Ln s39e; 160p; his own line Pt 4. white Oak on the same Ln S59W; 140P; Pt 5. white Oak Ln N81W; 300P; Pt 6. red Oak on Nehemiah Frank's Line lc N39E; 40P; Nehemiah Frank end ! Charlotte DM !* Typ patent Ref VPB 37:13 Dat 10 Jul 1767 To Nehemiah Frank Con £4.S10 Re 870a Charlotte/ on the Horsepen and Twitty's Creek loc 11368 36976 F127 L0 P255 Pt 0. Martin's old Patent corner pine Ln N81W; 268P; Martin Pt 1. Pointers Ln N10E; 78P; Pt 2. p Ln N39E; 62P; Pt 3. Sansoms corner p Ln n39e; 180P; Sansom Pt 4. wO Ln N20W; 240P; Pt 5. his corner wO Ln n50e; 104p; Sullivan Pt 6. Branch of Twitty's Creek Lm ; ; up a branch of Twitty's Cr. Pt 7. 6 pines on the head thereof Ln S45E; 52P; Pt 8. P Ln S35E; 120P; Pt 9. wO Ln E; 96P; Pt 10. wO Ln S25W; 63P; Pt 11. rO in his own Line Ln s25w; 366p; Pt 12. p lc n71w; 18p; Martin end ! Charlotte DM ! Typ patent Ref VPB 33:872 Dat 20 Aug 1760 To Tyree Glenn******** ! [to Robert Davis?] Con 25Sh. Re 253a Lunenburg/ on the branches of Twittys Cr. loc 12834 28442 F127 L0 P255 Pt 0. at Turners corner pointers in Jones's line Ln s10e; 322p; Turner Pt 1. p in Franks line Ln s70e; 160p; Frank************************************** Pt 2. ro thence a new line Ln n7e; 148p; Pt 3. wo in Jones's line and Ln n78w; 28p; Jones Pt 4. p Ln n40w; 214p; Pt 5. wo Ln n7e; 44p; Pt 6. p lc n78w; 68p; end ! Charlotte DM**** These relationships push the Harris connection to SC into Edward Harris territory north of the Meherrin River. **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. 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pat   i am going to respond to both your posts re this samuel harris, wife, ann, and this nehemiah franks but it will just take me time to do this.   first of all, i wish myself that there were more people interested in the harris families and these same families in lunenburg co, va and who knew more about them.   all i can do is cite what i have noted per these lunenburg co, va deeds, etc, and what this info does show and indicate to me.    i am --- On Mon, 11/17/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Nehemiah Franks/Twitty Ck Lunenburg /Charlotte VA To: [email protected] Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 8:24 AM So often the name of Nehemiah Franks has been used as a marker to connect the /Lunenburg/Mecklenburg Virginia Harrises to Laurens South Carolina. The following documents show his location in relation to the family of Edward Harris, Group 8 DNA, who lived on Reece's Fork of Twitty's Creek in Charlotte, formerly Lunenburg, VA. Nehemiah Frank/Franks was married to Mary Peake SC and did move to SC. Lunenburg Co Va Road Orders 1746-1764 8 December 1763, Page 300 On the Motion of Thomas Bedford Gentleman he has leave to open a Bridle way from his Mill to Martins Roling Road, and that the said Bedford have the directing of it And that Nehemiah Frank,****** Robert Davis, John Sullivant, Joshua Wharton, William Elliss, Richard Elliss, Benjamin Smith,***** Edward Harris and ***Maynard Harris do Assist in clearing the said intended way -- but not to be Exhivitted from Working on other Roads _http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf_ (http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf) 1 November 1757, Page 3 Ordered that a Road be laid Open and Cleared the best and most Convenient Way from the Road opposite to Abraham Martins House to Kings Road, and the said Abraham Martin is Appointed Surveyor thereof, and it is Ordered that he together with his Own Male Labouring Tithables, Abraham Vaughn, Robert Davis and his Son, Benjamin Adkins, Richard Ellis, William Ellis, John Sansum, Joshua Wharton, John Silcock, ********Edward Harris & ***William Gillum, do forthwith lay open Clear and keep the same in Repair According to Law. _http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf_ (http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf) Maynard Harris was made guardian of a William Gilliam's children in later Charlotte documents, went to NC, and some of that Harris family moved to Laurens, SC. 5 February 1760, Page 54 Thomas Nance is appointed Surveyor of the Road Leading from Randolphs fork up to the Head of Reeses fork where**** Edward Harris.s Path Crosses Kings Road, And it is ordered that he together with the following male Labouring Tithable Persons, towit, Hills and his, Petis.s & his, and Richard Hix Thomas Foster, &****** Micajah Smithson, do forthwith Clear and keep the same in Repair According to Law. _http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf_ (http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf) ! Typ patent Ref VPB 40:517 Dat 3 Aug 1771 To Maynard Harris Con 40 Shillings Re 400a Lunenburg/ on the Brs of Reeces fork of Twitty's Creek loc 14954 32283 F127 L0 P255 Pt 0. Nehemiah Franks *******and Robert Davis's corner small red Oak Ln n7.5e; 171p; Robert Davis Pt 1. a white Oak on Edward Harris's Line Ln S74E; 252P; Edward Harris Pt 2. Pointers Ln N69E; 38P; Pt 3. his own corner small Pine Ln s39e; 160p; his own line Pt 4. white Oak on the same Ln S59W; 140P; Pt 5. white Oak Ln N81W; 300P; Pt 6. red Oak on Nehemiah Frank's Line lc N39E; 40P; Nehemiah Frank end ! Charlotte DM !* Typ patent Ref VPB 37:13 Dat 10 Jul 1767 To Nehemiah Frank Con £4.S10 Re 870a Charlotte/ on the Horsepen and Twitty's Creek loc 11368 36976 F127 L0 P255 Pt 0. Martin's old Patent corner pine Ln N81W; 268P; Martin Pt 1. Pointers Ln N10E; 78P; Pt 2. p Ln N39E; 62P; Pt 3. Sansoms corner p Ln n39e; 180P; Sansom Pt 4. wO Ln N20W; 240P; Pt 5. his corner wO Ln n50e; 104p; Sullivan Pt 6. Branch of Twitty's Creek Lm ; ; up a branch of Twitty's Cr. Pt 7. 6 pines on the head thereof Ln S45E; 52P; Pt 8. P Ln S35E; 120P; Pt 9. wO Ln E; 96P; Pt 10. wO Ln S25W; 63P; Pt 11. rO in his own Line Ln s25w; 366p; Pt 12. p lc n71w; 18p; Martin end ! Charlotte DM ! Typ patent Ref VPB 33:872 Dat 20 Aug 1760 To Tyree Glenn******** ! [to Robert Davis?] Con 25Sh. Re 253a Lunenburg/ on the branches of Twittys Cr. loc 12834 28442 F127 L0 P255 Pt 0. at Turners corner pointers in Jones's line Ln s10e; 322p; Turner Pt 1. p in Franks line Ln s70e; 160p; Frank************************************** Pt 2. ro thence a new line Ln n7e; 148p; Pt 3. wo in Jones's line and Ln n78w; 28p; Jones Pt 4. p Ln n40w; 214p; Pt 5. wo Ln n7e; 44p; Pt 6. p lc n78w; 68p; end ! Charlotte DM**** These relationships push the Harris connection to SC into Edward Harris territory north of the Meherrin River. **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. 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So often the name of Nehemiah Franks has been used as a marker to connect the /Lunenburg/Mecklenburg Virginia Harrises to Laurens South Carolina. The following documents show his location in relation to the family of Edward Harris, Group 8 DNA, who lived on Reece's Fork of Twitty's Creek in Charlotte, formerly Lunenburg, VA. Nehemiah Frank/Franks was married to Mary Peake SC and did move to SC. Lunenburg Co Va Road Orders 1746-1764 8 December 1763, Page 300 On the Motion of Thomas Bedford Gentleman he has leave to open a Bridle way from his Mill to Martins Roling Road, and that the said Bedford have the directing of it And that Nehemiah Frank,****** Robert Davis, John Sullivant, Joshua Wharton, William Elliss, Richard Elliss, Benjamin Smith,***** Edward Harris and ***Maynard Harris do Assist in clearing the said intended way -- but not to be Exhivitted from Working on other Roads _http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf_ (http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf) 1 November 1757, Page 3 Ordered that a Road be laid Open and Cleared the best and most Convenient Way from the Road opposite to Abraham Martins House to Kings Road, and the said Abraham Martin is Appointed Surveyor thereof, and it is Ordered that he together with his Own Male Labouring Tithables, Abraham Vaughn, Robert Davis and his Son, Benjamin Adkins, Richard Ellis, William Ellis, John Sansum, Joshua Wharton, John Silcock, ********Edward Harris & ***William Gillum, do forthwith lay open Clear and keep the same in Repair According to Law. _http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf_ (http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf) Maynard Harris was made guardian of a William Gilliam's children in later Charlotte documents, went to NC, and some of that Harris family moved to Laurens, SC. 5 February 1760, Page 54 Thomas Nance is appointed Surveyor of the Road Leading from Randolphs fork up to the Head of Reeses fork where**** Edward Harris.s Path Crosses Kings Road, And it is ordered that he together with the following male Labouring Tithable Persons, towit, Hills and his, Petis.s & his, and Richard Hix Thomas Foster, &****** Micajah Smithson, do forthwith Clear and keep the same in Repair According to Law. _http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf_ (http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/93-r17.pdf) ! Typ patent Ref VPB 40:517 Dat 3 Aug 1771 To Maynard Harris Con 40 Shillings Re 400a Lunenburg/ on the Brs of Reeces fork of Twitty's Creek loc 14954 32283 F127 L0 P255 Pt 0. Nehemiah Franks *******and Robert Davis's corner small red Oak Ln n7.5e; 171p; Robert Davis Pt 1. a white Oak on Edward Harris's Line Ln S74E; 252P; Edward Harris Pt 2. Pointers Ln N69E; 38P; Pt 3. his own corner small Pine Ln s39e; 160p; his own line Pt 4. white Oak on the same Ln S59W; 140P; Pt 5. white Oak Ln N81W; 300P; Pt 6. red Oak on Nehemiah Frank's Line lc N39E; 40P; Nehemiah Frank end ! Charlotte DM !* Typ patent Ref VPB 37:13 Dat 10 Jul 1767 To Nehemiah Frank Con £4.S10 Re 870a Charlotte/ on the Horsepen and Twitty's Creek loc 11368 36976 F127 L0 P255 Pt 0. Martin's old Patent corner pine Ln N81W; 268P; Martin Pt 1. Pointers Ln N10E; 78P; Pt 2. p Ln N39E; 62P; Pt 3. Sansoms corner p Ln n39e; 180P; Sansom Pt 4. wO Ln N20W; 240P; Pt 5. his corner wO Ln n50e; 104p; Sullivan Pt 6. Branch of Twitty's Creek Lm ; ; up a branch of Twitty's Cr. Pt 7. 6 pines on the head thereof Ln S45E; 52P; Pt 8. P Ln S35E; 120P; Pt 9. wO Ln E; 96P; Pt 10. wO Ln S25W; 63P; Pt 11. rO in his own Line Ln s25w; 366p; Pt 12. p lc n71w; 18p; Martin end ! Charlotte DM ! Typ patent Ref VPB 33:872 Dat 20 Aug 1760 To Tyree Glenn******** ! [to Robert Davis?] Con 25Sh. Re 253a Lunenburg/ on the branches of Twittys Cr. loc 12834 28442 F127 L0 P255 Pt 0. at Turners corner pointers in Jones's line Ln s10e; 322p; Turner Pt 1. p in Franks line Ln s70e; 160p; Frank************************************** Pt 2. ro thence a new line Ln n7e; 148p; Pt 3. wo in Jones's line and Ln n78w; 28p; Jones Pt 4. p Ln n40w; 214p; Pt 5. wo Ln n7e; 44p; Pt 6. p lc n78w; 68p; end ! Charlotte DM**** These relationships push the Harris connection to SC into Edward Harris territory north of the Meherrin River. **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)

again, the same memucan hunt, son of ralph hunt, who married mary wade, daughter of robert wade, sr and who were the same robert wade, sr and ralph hunt involved in this 1735 hanover co, va processioning record in hanover co, va with william harris and richard harris there, was also very involved with samuel harris also in lunenburg/ halifax co, va,    this was the same samuel harris, who sold land to robert wade, sr, which was witnessed by hampton wade and richard ellis, who were also involved with our edward harris, sr and with both my william harris, sr/ frances goode and william harris/ judith hudson, etc, there in lunenburg co, va.   as i have just shown, samuel harris sold land to thomas dendy and this same thomas dendy, who also moved to laurens co, sc, was involved in this suit with memucan hunt re sylvanus walker, jr chosing memucan hunt as his guardian.   sylvanus walker, jr, who was called "jr" in this lunenburg co, va area was actually the son of tandy walker, wife, judith, who both died ca 1750 in lunenburg co, va and this sylvanus walker, jr also moved to laurens co, sc and, again, connections there also very involved with him and my harris family.   again, sylvanus walker, jr was one of the appraisers of my william harris, jr's 1800 laurens co, sc estate.   also, land my william harris, jr/ frances rodgers' son, my charles harris/ jane cannon owned in laurens co, sc bounded on this same sylvanus walker, jr, and, again, all of this also still more involved.   again, this thomas burton named also in this deed involving my charles harris/ jane cannon; lydall allen; and sylvanus walker, jr, was the same thomas burton, son of james burton, sr, also of lunenburg co, va whose daughter agnes burton married james hudson, son of peter hudson, sr.   these lunenburg co, va deeds records, which, again, i have posted in the past connect james burton, sr with peter hudson, sr as well as with sylvanus walker, jr and charles allen, sr there.   again, this was also charles allen, jr/ lucy bacon allen smiths daughter mary/ polly allen who also married our john harris, brother of my charles harris/ jane cannon, children of our william harris, jr/ frances rodgers.   laurens co, sc deed book J, page 64, 1809, john clark, sheriff, to james holley and charles harris for $53, 150 acres former property of silvanus walker on raborn creek bordered on jonathan downs; lydall allen; robert creswell, sold by writ of fi fa at suit of exix and exor of thomas burton, deceased.  witnesses:  william irby;  john mc harg; john garlington, c.c   lunenburg co, va deed book 6, page 107, 1760, silvanus walker, jr of lunenburg co, va and his wife, sarah, to charles allen of same for 250 pds, 200 acres in lunenburg co, va on the north side of the staunton river bounded by ornsby; goode.  signed: silvanus walker, jr.  witnesses:  william perry; james burton, jr; mary perry, her mark.  sarah, wife of silvanus walker, jr, relinquised her dower rights.   lunenburg co, va deed book 6, page 121, 1760, james burton of lunenburg co, va to silvanus walker, jr of same for 100 pds, 200 acres on the north side of the staunton river and bounded by ornsby and goode.  signed:  james burton.  witnesses:  charles allen, william perry.  mary perry, her mark. judith, wife of james burton, reliquished her dower rights.   here is also again, the laurens co, sc deed showing that our john harris was the son-in-law of lucy bacon allen, widow of charles allen, jr, who had remarried charles smith.      Laurens, South Carolina      Deed Book L: 64      I, Lucy Smith, Laurens District, South Carolina in consideration of the love and affection which I have for my daughter Polly Harris and her husband John L. Harris, and in consideration of the sum of $5.00 paid by William F. Downes, all of the same place, have granted and delivered to the said William F. Downes the following negroes to wit - Charles about 20 years of age, Martha about 10 years of age, Eliza about 9 years of age and Poll about 40 years of age in trust to and for the following uses and purposes to wit - for the sole use and benefit of the said Polly Harris and John L. Harris or the survivors of them during their lives except the girl Poll and Eliz which I reserve for the use and benefit of myself during my life and after my death and the death of the said John L. Harris and Polly Harris to such persons as the said Polly Harris notes sustaining may chose to convey the said negroes and their increase to by deed or will lawfully executed to have and to hold the said 4 negroes and their incease unto the said William F. Downs in trust.      Lucy Smith. (Seal) Wit.  Jas. Burton A. Milner Proved by A. Millner 2 Sept 1822 before John Garlington, Clerk and JQ Recorded September 1, 1822   here is also the laurens co, sc will of lucy bacon allen smith from the book:  laurens co, sc wills 1784-1840 by colleen elliott:   page 211:  9 feb 1826:  will of lucy smith:  son: charles allen: money due me in va; adkins, daughter of lydall allen; frances and cynthia allen, daughters of lydall allen; grandson: joel allen; dau: sarah mc nees; dau: mary harris; granddau: sarah crisp and her dau: lucy crisp; milly allen, widow of lydall allen; granddau: lucy brown allen; granddau: harriet saxon.  son: charles allen, executor.  witnesses: colville abercrombie, jr; mary marshall; and e.s.rowland.   i will have to refind this grassy creek info.   to be continued:     belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8-------26910

again, the same robert wade, sr and ralph hunt involved with this william harris and richard harris per this 1735 hanover co, va processioning record were the same robert wade, sr and ralph hunt who either moved to or had connections also to lunenburg co, va.   again, this was ralph hunt's son, memucan hunt, who married mary wade, daughter of robert wade, sr, and who was also involved with samuel harris there in lunenburg/ halifax co, va.   again, this is shown to have been the same samuel harris, who william harris/ judith hudson sold this land to in 1750 in lunenburg co, va, which was witnessed by john cargill, sr/ rachel tinsley, who also moved to laurens co, sc and who continued to be involved with my harris and goode family there.   as shown, per the following deed samuel harris sold land there in halifax co, va to thomas dendy, which again was witnessed by john cargill, sr/ rachel tinsely, and thomas dendy also moved to laurens co, sc.   as shown, also per the info, sylvanus walker, jr, who was actually the son of tandy walker/ judith, chose memucan hunt as his guardian and, as shown, this also involved  a suit with thomas dendy.   lunenburg co, va deed book 5, page 440, july 14, 1759, samuel harris of antrim parish in halifax co to thomas dendy of cornwall parish in lunenburg co for 2000 pds net tobacco all that tract of land on north side of stanton river of 252 acres, which was a patent to samuel harris on april 5, 1748.  signed:  sam harris wit:  william harris, john cargill, and daniel cargill.   ( in fact, which william harris, along with john cargill, sr, witnessed this deed re samuel harris to thomas dendy?   since it was william harris/ judith hudson and my william harris, sr/ frances goode, who are shown to have been involved with samuel harris and the cargills in this same lunenburg/ halifax cos, va area,  and/ or on into laurens co, sc, then, surely this must have been either my william harris, sr/ frances goode or william harris/ judith hudson who also witnessed this deed re samuel harris to thomas dendy. )   here is also the info showing that sylvanus walker, jr chose memucan hunt as his guardian and that this also involved a suit with thomas dendy.   1754, Feb Court. Silvanus Walker orphan of Tandy Walker, dec'd, came into court and (being of lawful age for that purpose) made choice of Memucan Hunt to be his guardian who is accordingly appointed (he giving security) whereupon he together with Thomas Anderson his security, entered into & acknowledge their bond and that purpose. Lunenburg Co VA Court Order Book 1/2B, 1753-54: 530. 1756, August Court. Memucan Hunt, guardian of Silvanus Walker, orphan of Tandy Walker, dec'd, exhibited and made oath to an account of the said orphan's estate which passed the court and the same is ordered to be recorded. Lunenburg Co VA Court Order Booke 4, 1755-57:170 1759, Aug Court. Silvanus Walker, junior by Memucan Hunt, his guardian and next friend, Pltf vs Thomas Dendy, Deft. Lunenburg Co VA Court Order book 6:23   to be continued:     belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8------26910

again, the same robert wade, sr and ralph hunt involved in this 1735 hanover co, va processioning record with richard harris and william harris there were the same robert wade, sr and ralph hunt, who also either moved to or had connections to lunenburg/ halifax co, va.   again, memucan hunt, son of ralph hunt, married mary wade, daughter of robert wade, sr and this was the same memucan hunt, who also had a patent there with samuel harris, which was in this same bluestone creek area and which bordered on john wilborn.   again both my william harris, sr/ frances goode and william harris/ judith hudson were involved with the will and estate of john wilborn.    again, even though john wilborn's land is shown to have been in this same woodpecker creek area of lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, va where william harris/ judith hudson lived and his son thomas wilborn continued to be involved with them, it was my william harris, sr/ frances goode, who was actually the excecutor of john wilborn's will and estate.   here, again, is the patent that samuel harris had with memucan hunt, which bordered on john wilborn, and again also the info showing that both my william harris/ frances goode and william harris/ judith hudson were involved with the will and estate of john wilborn.   from wiggins': harris papers: lunenburg co, va: land patents and grants: whereas memucan hunt and samuel harris patented 3,750 acres on the bluestone creek september 6, 1757 and as they, and alexander robertson and his wife, martha, in whom the rights became vested have not cultivated it nor paid quit rents, and as benjamin hatcher has petitioned the court for the land, it is now granted to benjamin hatcher; bounded by a line on mitchell's corner on woodpecker fork on evans line to goode's corner to cargill's road to worsham's line to miller's line and john wilborn's corner to the land of robert southern and back to the beginning of the woodpecker fork.   in 1762, the estate of john wilborn, deceased, is brought to court by william harris, the executor, and the estate paid out to: john cox; hampton wade; roger atkinson; jacob royster; pinkethman hawkins; clement reade; gray briggs; william newsum; william harris; john ragsdale; mackerness goode, jr for re-surveying john wilborn's land; david garland. again hampton wade, who was also one of those paid by the estate of john wilborn was also the same hampton wade, who witnessed this deed re samuel harris to robert wade, sr.   lunenburg co, va deed book 5, page 346, 1749, samuel harris, executor, estate adlar david, decd, of lunenburg co, va to robert wade 100 acres north of difficult creek and south of staunton river, on a line of a tree planted by adler david and william irby.  wit: hampton wade; richard ellis.   again, this is also definitely indicated to have been the same samuel harris, who william harris/ judith hudson sold this island/ plantation to in the staunton river which was witnessed by john cargill, sr/ rachel tinsley and william hunt, who was probably related to memucan hunt.   lunenburg co, va deed book 2, page 57, 1750, william harris of lunenburg to samuel harris of same for 60 pds, grants 1 island/ plantation of 70 acres, having been a patent to william harris april 5, 1748 and bounded by the staunton river and between byrd's and cargill's islands. signed: william harris. witnesses: john cargill, william hunt. judith, wife of william harris, relinquished her right of dower.    again, john cargill, sr/ rachel tinsley continued to be very involved with samuel harris in this halifax co, va area and, then, by 1770 john cargill, sr/ rachel tinsley had also moved to laurens co, sc where they continued to be very involved with my harris and goode family there.   again, per these early 1749/ 1750 lunenburg co, va tithe lists; my william harris, sr/ frances goode; william harris/ judith hudson; samuel harris; my mackerness goode, sr; peter hudson, sr; john cargill, sr/ rachel tinsley, etc, were all in cornelius cargill's district.   this cornelius cargill was the father of john cargill, sr/ rachel tinsley and the grandfather of the cornelius cargill, wife, sarah, who paid the tax/ memorial for my william harris, jr/ frances rodgers 150-acre grant there in laurens co, sc and who continued to very involved with my harris and goode family there.   it was also this area/ district of cornelius cargill's there in lunenburg co, va which became halifax co, va.       to be continued:   belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8------26910        

again, i have posted my interest in these connections in the past.   per this info posted by pat clare/ pat mason harris re this 1735 hanover co, va processioning record re this richard harris and william harris, etc, again, these were the same robert wade, sr and ralph hunt, who also either moved to or also had connections to lunenburg/ halifax co, va.   1735: William Harris  processioned with Daniel Patrick; Watson; Joyner; Cook; Hudson; John Wingfield;  Watson and Cornelius Tinsley. Peter Garland and Ralph Hunt appeared for Mr  Robert Wade who represented Mr William Brd, esq and Peter Marks and William  Jennings for William Alsop and Mr Richard Harris;***** Mr George Vaughan; and Mr  John Ragland did not appear though lawfully warned. 1739: Richard Harris  ****in one precint with George Vaughan; Widow Fraser; John Joyner; Benjamin  Alsop; Martin Baker; Anthony Winston's orphans; Richard Harris' orphans; Barbara  Winston; Anthony Waddy, precinct.     memucan hunt, son of this same ralph hunt, married mary wade, daughter of this same robert wade, sr, who were named in this hanover co, va 1735 processioning record with this william harris and richard harris.   this is the same memucan hunt/ mary wade, who had a patent  in lunenburg co, va with samuel harris, which was in this same bluestone creek area of lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, va where my william harris, sr/ frances goode; william harris/ judith hudson; and my goode family also owned land and lived.   in fact, and, again, this land patented by memucan hunt and samuel harris bordered on john wilborn's corner and, again, both my william harris, sr/ frances goode and william harris/ judith hudson were involved with the will and estate of john wilborn from 1757-1762 there in lunenburg co, va.   this is indicated to be the same samuel harris, who william harris/ judith hudson sold land to in 1749/ 1750 in lunenburg co, va and, per another lunenburg co, va deed, to also be the same samuel harris involved with my william harris, sr/ frances goode; the same samuel harris, who continued to be involved with john cargill, sr/ rachel tinsley in this halifax co, va area; the same samuel harris, i believe, who married lucy camp and who became col samuel harris and the noted baptist minister rev samuel harris and who, again, stated that he was born in 1724 near the pamunkey river in hanover co, va.   samuel harris was also the executor of the estate of this adlar david, who died in 1749/ 1750 in this lunenburg/ halifax co, va area.    either peter hudson, sr or jr was, also, as i have posted in the past, involved with the appraisal of the estate of this adlar david.    per a lunenburg co, va deed, samuel harris sold land to robert wade, sr, which had belonged to adlar david on difficult creek, which was adjacent william irby.   this was the same william irby, who, per a brunswick co, va deed, sold land to andrew wade, sr of goochland co, va, which was witnessed by richard brown and william harris and it is this william harris, who i believe was william harris/ judith hudson.   andrew wade, sr remarried susannah tinsley, said to have been a chiles, and who was the mother of rachel tinsley cargill, wife of john cargill, sr.   again, samuel harris not only continued to be involved with john cargill, sr/ rachel tinsley in this same halifax co, va area, but, again, john cargill, sr/ rachel tinsley also moved by 1770 to this same little river area of laurens co, sc where my william harris, sr/ frances goode; my william harris, jr/ frances rodgers; my mackerness goode, sr and his son, our mackerness goode, jr had obtained these ca 1770 laurens co, sc grants.   again, a tax or memorial had to be paid in charleston on these grants.  our mackerness goode, jr paid the tax/ memorial for cornelius cargill, who was the son of john cargill, sr/ rachel tinsley and cornelius cargill also paid the tax/ memorial for my william harris, jr/ frances rodgers 150-acre 1772 grant.   also my william harris, jr/ frances rodgers and his uncle samuel goode paid the security, along with cornelius  cargill's wife, sarah, for cornelius cargill when he died ca 1780 in this laurens/ 96th dist, sc area.    all of this i have posted in the past a number of times.   again, also the same richard ellis, who witnessed the lunenburg co, va deed re samuel harris to robert wade, sr also witnessed the 1761 lunenburg co, va deed re john and robert gilliam to our edward harris, sr, whose sons stephen harris and edward harris, jr also moved to laurens co, sc and whose descendants are a match with my brother david harris and who are also part of our harris dna group 8.   lunenburg co, va deed book 5, page 346, robert wade buys land from samuel harris, executor of the estate of adlar david, decd, of lunenburg co, va, being daniel jagger's patent of 1742 and by him willed to david and richard powell, jr who sold the land to adlar david, 100 acres north of difficult creek and south of stanton river, on a line of a tree planted by william irby and adler david, 1749, 1750. wit: hampton wade; richard ellis. LUNENBURG COUNTY RECORDS DEED BOOK #7, PAGE 27 "Whereas, Hugh Miller, Apr. 21, 1755 sold to John Gilliam, 1588 acres of land lying in Lunenburg County on both sides of Twitty's Creek. It is coventanted that the said John Gilliam do lay off and convey unto Edward Harris when thereto required by good and Lawful Deed at the said Harris costs, 400 acres of the above tract of 1588 acres including and adjoining the Plantation whereupon the said Edward Harris now lives, in fee simple the estate of in and to the said 1588 acres of land with like proviso and conditions. Now the said Robert Gilliam sells to Edward Harris of Lunenburg County the said 400 acres aforementioned lying on both sides of Twitty's Creek, etc. Witnesses, Henry Isbell, William Gilliam; Richard Ellis.   so far, we have not been able to find definitive harris descendants of william harris/ judith hudson or this samuel harris. to be continued:   belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8-----26910  

i would also like to reply to pat and e.w. re info they have posted re this robert harris, sr/ jr and richard harris in hanover co, va but before i do this, as again, this is all quite involved, i want to thank mary june for asking about me recently.   as i have already emailed her, i am just very busy with my own family here these days.   however, when i have had a chance, i still continue to look at and to study all of this and, in fact, i was just fixing to come on and post further info re this redding blocker enumerated adjacent my arch harris/ elizabeth carter, per this 1834 ga state census for cobb co, ga, which show that these connections also go back to this same lunenburg/ halifax co, va area and involve the same rickman family, who were also involved with the william harris/ wife, elizabeth, or jane, who pat seaver and sandy hart of harris dna group 30 are interested in as being their harris ancestor.   again, this is also defintely a puzzle to me why we, per our interest in our harris families, would  have such an involved and mutual interest in these same individuals and families, which, of course, includes peter hudson, sr and his family.   to me, there must be some answers to this but before i post that info, i want to talk again about this info that pat and e.w. just posted re this richard harris, and william harris, etc, there in hanover co, va, which i have also talked  about in the past.   in particular, and to sort of sum this up re these connections, as, again, this is  very involved, i want to deal in particular with this 1735 hanover co, va processioning record which pat just posted which involves this william harris and richard harris with this robert wade and ralph hunt, etc.   these were the same robert wade, sr and ralph hunt, who also moved to or had connections also to lunenburg co, va.   again, this was ralph hunt's son memucan hunt, who married mary wade, daughter of robert wade, sr, and this info has been documented and can be found on line.    memucan hunt was also involved there in lunenburg co, va with samuel harris and they are shown to have had a patent there together.   this is shown to have been the same samuel harris, who william harris/ judith hudson sold land to there in 1750 in lunnburg co, va and who continued to be involved with john cargill, sr/ rachel tinsley in this halifax co, va area.  again, john cargill, sr/ rachel tinsley also moved to laurens co, sc by 1770 and continued to be involved with my harris and goode family there.     memucan hunt also became the guardian of sylvanus walker, jr, who was actually the son of tandy walker/ judith langford, who both died ca 1750 there in lunenburg co, va.   this was also the same sylvanus walker, jr, who also moved to laurens co, sc and, again, who was also involved with my harris family and these same families there.   sylvanus walker, jr was one of the appraisers of my william harris, jr/ frances rodgers 1800 laurens co, sc estate.   lunenburg co, va deeds show that sylvanus walker, jr was involved there with charles allen, sr and james burton, sr, whose son thomas burton also moved to laurens co, sc and land that my charles harris/ jane cannon owned in laurens co, sc also involved sylvanus walker; lydall allen; and thomas burton.   memucan hunt moved to granville co, nc and deeds involve him there with this grassy creek area.  this same samuel harris, who, again, is indicated to have been the same samuel harris, who became col samuel harris and rev samuel harris also preached at this grassy creek baptist church and this is stated to have been his related harris family who were members of this grassy creek baptist church.   of course, samuel harris, as rev samuel harris, stated that he was born in 1724 near the pamunkey river in hanover co, va.   again, i have a lot more to say and/ or to repeat but i think these connections are important and they need to be looked at again and that any and all of this info re our interest in our harris families needs to continue to be looked at and to be studied.   our harris dna has changed and will continue to both change and hopefully clear up things that have been written and thought in the past that have been and are now in error but, again, it seems to me that we can also continue to look at and to try and make sense of what we do know or think we know and what these records do show and indicate.     belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8-------26910            

I am sharing with Harris-Hunters (and other researchers) this information. Correctons, and a few additions, are solicited. Please give dates and places, if at all possible. I do not know who the parents of this James Harris are. He married Mary Harris, daughter of Major Robert Harris of colonial Louisa Co. Can you add any *evidence*? Harris does not sound like a Huguenot name to me (keep on reading), but perhaps his mother may have been of that group--centered largely around Manakin Town in Goochland Co. Many of the descendants of Major Robert Harris married into families of Huguenot descent. For example, John Jouett, Maupin, later Chenault, et al. REQUEST: If you use this material in your own genealogy program--or wherever you keep your ancestral trails--please include the citations, insofar as I have included them. I was careless when I first began my searches, some decades ago. As Elizabeth Shown Mills has written: *The validity of any piece of evidence cannot be analyzed if its source is unknown. Citing a worthless source is an effort that produces worthless results.* (Elizabeth Shown Mills, Evidence: Citation & Analysis for the Family Historian [Baltimore, MD; Genealogical Publishing Co., 1997], p. 13 Incidentally, one of the sources cited below is Rev. Edgar Woods, Albemarle County in Virginia, full citation given in material below. Although his work is useful, particularly the appendices, which material seems to be from county records, as far as the Harrises are concerned, he *dumped* several different Harris lines together, which can certainly lead a Harris-Hunter astray. Use his work as a source, but since genealogical material is more readily available these days, check out his statements. Submitted by E.W.Wallace Rev Jul 2007 JAMES HARRIS of ALBEMARLE. By 1751 James Harris was a son-in-law of Robert Harris, as demonstrated in this abstracted deed: Louisa Co. DB A-443 21 Oct 1751 Robert Harris of Fredericksville Par., Louisa Co. For Natural Love and affection to my son, Christopher Harris, and son-in-law, James Harris, to son Christopher Harris: Negroes Jimmy, a man; Millington, a boy; Abby, a woman. To son-in-law, James Harris: 2 negro girls, Janney and Henriette. /s/ Robert Harris. Wit: Thomas Perkins, Tyree Harris. 22 Oct 1751 Acknowledged by Robert Harris. (Rosalie Edith Davis, LOUISA COUNTY, VIRGINIA DEED BOOKS A & B, 1742-1759 [Manchester, MO: 1977] p. 69) According to Dr. Malcolm Hart Harris in A HISTORY OF LOUISA COUNTY, VIRGINIA, "Appendix", p. 356, James Harris was of Huguenot Ancestry "and they (Mary Harris and her husband James Harris) reared their family in Albemarle." My comment: Since James was of Huguenot ancestry, it is unlikely he was of the same lineage as Mary Harris, daughter of Major Robert Harris, who was a vestryman in Fredericksville Parish, Louisa Co. However, possibly he was a cousin of Mary's. At a vestry held for Fredericksville Parish 25th day Octo 1758: Ord. that James Harris and Gabriel Maupin do procession all the lands on North side the Buck elbow to the Extant of the County [Louisa?] and so all along the Ridge of the Mountains to the Coty. line Northward down the County line to where it crosseth Doyls River down the same to Moremans River up Moremans River to Danl. Maupins Junr. and so to the Lower Point of the Bucks elbow. (p. 61 of Vestry book) Ordered that the Several Processioners do begin to Procession the first Munday in December next if fair and if not the next fair day and to make return to the Vestry by the last day of March next. (p. 62 of Vestry book) (Rosalie Edith Davis, FREDERICKSVILLE PARISH VESTRY BOOK 1742-1787, Vol. I [Manchester, MO: Published by author, 4th printing 1989], p. 66) In 1761 From Fredericksville Parish vestry book, p. 81, ca 1767: "Order'd that James Harris and John Mullens do procession all the lands between Doyls & Moremans River up to the Great Mountain." (Rosalie Edith Davis, FREDERICKSVILLE PARISH VESTRY BOOK, 1742-1787, Vol. I [Manchester, MO: privately printed, 1978], pp. 85.) From Fredericksville Parish vestry book, p. 118, 13th day of Nov 1783 at Charlottesville: Ordered that James Harris, John Mullins, John Maupin & Martin Gentry do possession [sic] the Land Beginning at the fork of Moormans River, thence up doyls River to Harrises Road, thence up to the Widow Harrises Quarter, thence straight to the Top of the Great Mountains thence along that to the Ridge that Comes down to the fork of Moreman's River thence down that River to the Beginning. (Davis, p. 125) Albemarle Co. Deeds Deed Bk C pg 16-17 18 Feb 1754 Benjamin Brown of Fredericksville Par., Louisa Co. to James Harris of Albemarle Co L12 curr.money; 80 acres... James Harrisses corner in Albemarle Co. line... Wm Browns line. Benjamin Brown Wit: Ben Brown Jr., Wm Brown, David Thomson, David Epperson. 26 Apr 1754 proved by three of the witnesses. [From VA Gen Web - Albemarle Co.] Albemarle Co. DB 3-38-39 11 Mar 1761 James Harris and Mary his wife of Albemarle Co. to Thomas Grubbs of said county... consideration ten pds. curent money of Virginia... certain parcel of land lying on Moormans Run... [Measurements but no acreage given] Presence: John Rodes James Harris Wm. Shelton, John McCord (Adapted from Ruth & Sam Sparacio, DEED ABSTRACTS OF ALBEMARLE COUNTY, VIRGINIA DEED BOOK 3, 12 FEBRUARY 1761-9 AUGUST 1764 [McLean, VA: The Antient Press, 1988], p. 12) Albemarle Co. DB-3 pg. 389 23 Jan 1763 Jno. Mullens, Goochland, to James Harris for 40 pds., 200 A adj Benj. Brown. Wit: Mosias Jones, David Rodes, Ro. Miller, Jos. Woods, Ro. Morris. (Benjamin Brown, a neighbor of Harris, is the father of Lucretia Brown who married Robert Harris, son of Major Robert Harris of Albemarle Co.) .............................................................................. ............ In 1768 James Harris purchased some land from Benjamin Brown, probably the younger Benjamin Brown, whose sister Lucretia had married Robert Harris, Jr., son of Maj. Robert Harris of Louisa Co. As seen above, Benjamin Brown was a neighbor of James Harris. Albemarle Co. DB 4-521-522 .. 12 May 1768 Benjamin Brown of Parish of St. Martins and County of Hanover to James Harris of Parish of Fredericksville and County of Albemarle... for 20 pds current money of Virginia... parcel of land in Fredericksville Par, County of Albemarle, 22 acres of land and bounded beginning at James Harrises corner... /s/ Ben Brown Witnesses; Zachariah Mills, Thomas Langford, John Mullins Junr. (Adapted from Ruth & Sam Sparacio, DEED ABSTRACTS OF ALBEMARLE COUNTY VIRGINIA, DEED BOOK NO. 4, 9 AUGUST 1764-12 AUGUST 1768 [McLean, VA: The Antient Press, 1989], p. 123) In Nov 1772, James Harris was witness to a deed of Barnard Brown of Albemarle Co. to Ben Brown of Hanover Co., branch of Rockey Creek, granted to the late Benj. Brown, deced, bequeathed to his son Barnard Brown. In Oct 1773, John Burk & Feba his wife of Augusta Co. to James Harris 331 acs., Albemarle Co., on both sides of South Fork of Rockey Creek. (Sparacio & Sparacio, ALBEMARLE COUNTY, VIRGINIA DEEDS 1772-1776) A neighbor was Mosias Jones, who is probably the man of the same name who removed to Madison Co., KY. Another neighbor was Henry Bunch. The witnesses were Jonas Cabe, William Crawford, Robert Harris. According to Rev. Edgar Woods, ALBEMARLE COUNTY IN VIRGINIA [Bridgewater, VA: C. J. Carrier Co., 1900], p. 221, Elizabeth Harris, daughter of Major Robert Harris and Mourning Glenn, married William Crawford, one of the witnesses above llsted.. She was the mother of William H. Crawford, United States Senator from Georgia, minister to France, secretary of the Treasury under Mr. Monroe, and a prominent candidate for the Presidency in 1824. p. 221, James Harris died in 1792. He and his wife Mary had ten childen [nine are named in the 1792 will]: Thomas, Joel, Nathan, James, Lucy, the wife of Thomas Grubbs [more likely the wife of Higgason Grubbs, later of Madison Co., KY], Mourning, the wife of Cornelius Maupin, Sarah, the wife of James Harrison, Susan, the wife of Nicholas Burnley, Ann, the wife of a Haden [probably Anna], and Jane, the wife of a Dabney. (Some genealogists dispute the genealogies put forth by Rev. Woods. Neither a Jane nor a female Dabney is named in the will of James Harris. Either may have died without issue.) Woods adds more information about the children, but his history will not be repeated here. An abstract of the will of James Harris of Albemarle Co. is this: Harris, James 5 Feb 1792 Sept 1792 Sons: Thomas, Joel, James, Nathan. Daughters: Ann Haden, Mourning Maupin, Sarah Harrison, Susannah Burnley and Lucy Grubbs. Wife Mary Harris, all land not bequeathed to son Thomas Harris, land adjoining Capt. Robert Harris, dec'd. Exrs: sons Joel and James. Wit: B. Brown and William Spears (Page 165) (J. Estelle Stewart King, ABSTRACTS OF WILLS, INVENTORIES, AND ADMINISTRATION ACCOUNTS OF ALBEMARLE COUNTY 1748-1800 [Beverly Hills, CA 1940], p. 38) Marriage Records It is probable that the James Harris mentioned in these marriage records is the son-in-law of Robert Harris and Mourning Glen, being married to their daughter Mary Harris, as indicated in Malcolm Hart Harris, A HISTORY OF LOUISA COUNTY, VIRGINIA, "Appendix", p. 355. More research is needed. According to his Albemarle Co. will, he died before September 1792. The daughter Lucy Grubbs probably was the wife of Higgason Grubbs of early Madison Co., KY. Grubbs, her husband, seemed to be a land speculator in Kentucky as his name appears many, many times in the deeds of early Madison Co., KY. A fuller abstract of the will of James Harris is given in "Dabney Family" in EDWARD PLEASANTS VALENTINE PAPERS, Vol. I, pp. 396-397. That abstract of WB 3-p. 165 gives the names of multiple executors: "wife Mary; sons, Thomas, Joel and Nathan Harris. " Witnesses were Bernis Brown, Wm. Spears, James Reveley. The will was dated 25 Feb 1792 and was proved September court 1792. These marriage records, taken from Albemarle Co. Hist. Soc Papers, V. 6, "Some Albemarle Co., VA Marriage Records" MAY pertain to one of their children, but more likely the bride is a granddaughter of the elder James Harris and his wife Mary: Item No. Dt of Bond Groom & Bride Sureties 54 12/23/1783 David Owen Mary Harris (spin.) James Harris dau. of James Harris Rev. Woods states that James was a son of Robert Harris, but this may be in error; he more probably was a son-in-law, having married Robert Harris's daughter, Mary Harris. Thomas m. Susan Dabney. Joel b. 25 Apr 1761, m. Ann Waller, d. 31 March 1826. James b. 7 July 1766, m. Mary McCulloch, d. 1830 Nathan b. 1771, d. 1852, m. Ann Allan Anderson. Lucy, the wife of Thomas Grubbs [error?]; Malcolm Hart Harris says she married Higgason Grubbs, moved to Kentucky. (Early Madison Co., KY deed books tend to verify this marriage. Harris does not list any dates.) Mourning, the wife of Cornelius Maupin Sarah, the wife of James Harrison Susan, the wife of Nicholas Burnley Ann, the wife of a Haden. (Hart calls her Anna and states she married 1st William Dabney and 2nd Anthony Haden). Jane, the wife of a Dabney. Joel was appointed a magistrate in 1801, and in 1811 he was Commissioner of the Revenue for Fredericksville parish, which office he held until his death in 1826. Three sons were born to Joel and his wife Anna: Ira, Joel, Clifton. Woods gives information about the son Ira and Nathan. (Source: Woods, Albemarle County in Virginia [Bridgewater, VA: C. J. Carrier Company, pages 221 and 377) The fact that the children in this family married into the same families as the children of Christopher Harris and as his siblings and ancestors leads one to believe that James Harris may have been a cousin of Mary Harris his wife and probably was a member of the extended Harris family of Albemarle, Louisa, Hanover and surrounding counties. **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)