Hi Belva, I hope you got my last email I sent you my relation to Charles Rice. It look as if Charles Rice was connected to the Harris line by his wife's mother Elizabeth Harris, supposed daughter of Thomas Harris 1667-1725? and Mary Giles. Which ancestor is your line(William Harris and Mary Giles) from? Capt Thomas Harris of Jamestowne? I'm trying to get them straight. I believe that Elizabeth Harris wife of Charles Toney was from the line of William Harris 1621. Your take on this. Del --- On Sun, 11/30/08, belva cauthen <[email protected]> wrote: > From: belva cauthen <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] reply to del re william harris/ charles rice goochland co, va > To: [email protected] > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 4:02 PM > del >   > again, can you tell me how you descend from charles rice? >   > do you also descend from this william harris/ mary of > louisa/ goochland cos, va? >   > if so, how do you descend from him. >   > some of this you may have told me already but i have to > admit i am having problems keeping up with all of this > myself or finding it when i do have it-------so much in my > inbox and draft box, etc. >   > interesting that you are there in birmingham.  i grew up > in ga. >   >  my harris family moved from laurens co, sc to dekalb/ > gwinnett cos, ga, settling in cobb/ paulding cos, ga. >   > my g-3 grandfather archibald harris/ elizabeth carter died > in 1869 in cleburne co, al and their son, my g-g-grandfather > james h. harris/ anne cooper died in 1872 in paulding co, > ga. >   > i now live here in ms but i still have family in ga. >   > belva > > --- On Sun, 11/30/08, DEL HIESTAND > <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: DEL HIESTAND <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] reply to del re william > harris/ charles rice goochland co, va > To: [email protected] > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 5:30 PM > > yeah, my boo-boo, sorry > Del > > > --- On Sun, 11/30/08, belva cauthen > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: belva cauthen <[email protected]> > > Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] reply to del re william > harris/ charles rice > goochland co, va > > To: "harris hunters" > <[email protected]> > > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 3:25 PM > > del > >   > > i think but, am not sure, that your email was just > sent to > > me rather than to harris hunters but i am going to > reply to > > you on harris hunters > > Sunday, November 30, 2008 4:36 PM > > > > > > > > From: > >   > > > > > > Hi Belva! > > Del from B'ham again! the Charles Rice mentioned > in the > > 50 a. 11/2/1757 transfer from William Harris is my > Charles > > Rice!! GOODY!! Who is this William Harris who sold > Charles > > Rice the 50 acres?? > > Thanks!! > > Del > > > >   > >   > > del > >   > >   > > again, edward harris, stated to have been son of our > > william harris/ mary giles of cubb creek, sold these > 50 > > acres of land to william harris also of louisa co, > va, who > > is shown to have been the same william harris/ > mary, who > > was in goochland co, va and who sold these same 50 > acres of > > land to charles rice, who you now say was your charles > rice. > >   > > in the past, it has been said by others, including > malcolm > > harris, that this william harris, wife, mary, of > louisa/ > > goochland cos, va was the son, william harris, of our > > william harris/ mary giles. > >   > > again, i do not agree and, again, we have no dna from > any > > harris descendant of this william harris/ mary of > louisa/ > > goochland co, va to say which harris line/ family he > is part > > of and/ or belongs. > >   > > all of my research, per the records, and i have > talked > > about this a lot on harris hunters, and my/ our harris > dna > > shows that it was my william harris/ judith hudson of > > brunswick/ lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, va who was the > son, > > william, of our william harris/ mary giles and who > was the > > father of my william harris, sr/ frances goode also of > > lunenburg/ mecklenburg cos, va. > >   > > again, if my research and the records showed that my > > william harris, sr/ frances goode of lunenburg/ > mecklenburg > > cos, va was the son, william, of this william harris/ > > mary of louisa/ goochland cos, va,  i would > certainly say > > so but it does not. > >   > > again, all of the info shows that my william harris, > sr/ > > frances goode was the son, william, of william harris > of > > brunswick/ lunenburg/ mecklenburg cos, va, who is > shown > > to have been william harris/ judith hudson.  > >   > > then,  my william harris, sr of lunenburg/ > mecklenburg > > cos, va was the father of my william harris, jr, who > died in > > 1799 in laurens co, sc. > >   > > again, given this william harris'/ mary of louisa > and > > goochland cos, association with edward harris, son of > our > > william harris/ mary giles; the cawthon family; your > rice > > family; the depriest family, etc, the info does > indicate to > > me that he was related harris family. > >   > > again, the info strongly suggests and indicates, but i > > cannot confirm, that this william harris/ mary of > louisa/ > > goochland cos, va may have been the son of our william > > harris' / mary giles' brother, edward harris. > >   > > can you tell me more about how you descend from this > > charles rice and please reply on harris hunters? > >   > > thanks. > >   > > belva harris cauthen > > harris dna group 8-------26910 > >   > >   > >   > >   > >   > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and > > the body of the message

I read all the postings and sometimes I get very confused!!!!!!!!!!!! I am a group 8 person. The people who are doing most of these postings are really SMART and know what they are doing. I USED to be but have not really been into such deep research as you all are. As I have said before, I read a lot about persons who have gone to SC, NC and made the southern circle. My problem is that mine ancestor, George Harris who married Sarah Hudson, went to KY. Another problem is that we can't come up with a male direct from my George O Harris line. Thanks for all the great research and for sharing it with everyone. Many years ago, I was researching a Downey line and their was an elderly lady who lived in Indiana who had been in research for years BUT she shared very little info with others. She died. And with her death, all her papers were lost!! Mary June Foulk Knoxville TN ************** Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&amp;icid=aolcom40vanity&amp; ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002)

Very interesting Carol! Thank you! It is starting to look like my Harris line is this one. Coupled with My Charles Rice connection mentioned in an earlier post by Belva, I'm starting to be more convinced of my Harris connection to your DNA group 8. Who does this line go back to? I thought my line was through the Robert Harris/Mary Claiborne line. Del --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Carol E Barron <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Carol E Barron <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] George Alves/William Harris, St. Paul's vestry, re william harris/ henrietta baker/ william harris/ elizabeth burnett > To: [email protected] > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 5:42 PM > Del, have you looked at the below Cumberland Co. VA chancery > at the LVA > website online? It can be ordered online from the library > & they'll send > it to you. I have looked at the Thomas Harris there in > early New Kent > Co...the one w/Eliz. b 170?....I keep thinking he might be > the one who > was in the vestry records in 1692 working on the > roads....this date could > easily put him born some 20 years earlier. I also feel he > could be the > same Thomas in New Kent that was named as a father to > Lettice Bayle's > bastard child in winter 1698/99. Very suspicious that > Thomas Moss would > take care of her & then to see that chancery of Charles > Toney/wife vs > James Moss...a Moss connection?? > > Also, the Toney's named a son Sherwood Toney, a name I > haven't found in > the Toney's but does show up in the Harrises. In the > Partridge Store > Accts., there is a Sherwood Harris in the 1736 time > period...giving him a > possible birthdate of 1715 & most likely > earlier...could it be Elizabeth > had a brother Sherwood Harris??? Records there in > Partridge Store Accts > show the Sherwood Harris there is tied in with Richard > Henderson & both > of these men end up in Louisa Co. records in 1743-46 > timeframe on Cubb > Cr....Cubb Cr. being some of the land belonging to William > Harris (1725 > patent on Cubb) & our DNA Gp 8 line. I could send > those Partridge Store > Accts to you, if interested and actually I was emailed > recently from a > Sherwood Harris/Hannah Page researcher who has been trying > to put his > Sherwood Harris back to Hanover Co. in 1730'ish period. > Carol > New Kent Co. Vestry minutes: > Whereas Lettice Bayle was delivered of a bastard Child at > the house of > Thomas moss sum time the last winter, and being summonded > to Court upon > her oathe doth lay the same to Thomas Harris. Therefore > ordered that the > Church wardens prosicute the said Harris according to Law. > > > > Locality Index Number Original Case Number > CUMBERLAND CO1767-005NONE > PlaintiffsDefendants > P1: CHARLES TONEY & WIFE D1: JAMES MOSS ETC > Surnames > MOSS > PETERS > TONEY > Wills Plat? > NONENO > Format > Original > > > > > On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:05:27 -0800 (PST) DEL HIESTAND > <[email protected]> > writes: > > Hi Carol > > My name is Delbert Calvert Hiestand and I am a Harris > descendant > > from an Elizabeth Harris who married Charles Toney abt > 1725. I read > > your several posts and feel secure that "you know > your stuff". I am > > wondering and if you have an opinion on who the > parents of > > Elizabeth(baptized in 1705/7 St. Martins Parrish)and > who married > > Charles Toney, might have been?? > > I appreciate any input!!!! > > Del > > > > > > --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Carol E Barron > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > From: Carol E Barron <[email protected]> > > > Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] George Alves/William > Harris, St. Paul's > > vestry, re william harris/ henrietta baker/ william > harris/ > > elizabeth burnett > > > To: [email protected] > > > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 8:36 AM > > > Belva, you wrote: > > > the only william harris i know who had a patent > for 1500 > > > acres in 1725 is > > > stated to have been the william harris, jr, said > to have > > > been the son of > > > captain william harris/ temperance overton. > > > > > > > > > George Alves was the step-father to younger sons > Wm & > > > Edward of Maj Wm > > > Harris d 1678. We know these two sons were in > New Kent > > > records from 1692 > > > - 1698. > > > > > > The St. Paul's Vestry records begin in > 1704/05...with > > > George Alves > > > serving on the vestry board in the first > recording of the > > > vestry...with > > > Edward Harris as surveyor in 1703/4 & William > Harris, > > > surveyor in 1706. > > > George Alves continued to serve on that vestry > until > > > 1730(except to make > > > a trip to Great Britain 1711/12). In 1716 Wm > Harris was > > > admitted to the > > > vestry with George Alvis as a member of the > vestry board > > > that day and > > > from that point forward until 1727, both George > Alvis and > > > William Harris > > > served on the same vestry board together until Wm > Harris > > > & James Overton > > > were replaced on the board on 2 Jan 1726/27 by > Thomas > > > Anderson & Charles > > > Hudson. > > > > > > I cannot see how George Alves and William Harris > who also > > > processioned > > > their adjoining lands together in 1707, serving > on this > > > vestry board > > > together for 10+ years (1716-1727) could be > anything but > > > "step-father & > > > step-son". My findings are that the William > Harris, > > > surveyor of the > > > Forks, vestryman, church warden with military > rank of > > > Captain was, in > > > fact, the son of Major William Harris d 1678 > Henrico Co. > > > Edward Harris, > > > surveyor in 1704 was also a son of Major William > Harris. > > > These two sons > > > of Maj Wm were raised among surveyors within the > Ligon > > > family....their > > > Aunt Mary & Uncle Thomas Ligon were a family > of > > > surveyors...with Col > > > Thomas Ligon appointed Royal Surveyor of Henrico > County. > > > Col Thomas > > > Ligon also served alongside Major William Harris > as both > > > Burgesses of > > > Henrico Co....their son Richard Ligon tutored his > > > orphan/cousin William > > > Harris in 1682/83 by indenture...Richard Ligon is > in a > > > Henrico Co. record > > > in 1680 as being a surveyor at that time. > > > > > > One issue that might have confused those who > authored the > > > old published > > > articles was perhaps they weren't aware that > > > surveyor's were privy or had > > > access to inside knowledge of good land/deals > & some > > > surveyors ended up > > > accumulating mass quantities of land in that > regard as did > > > surveyors like > > > Peter Jefferson & George Washington. With so > many land > > > patents for > > > William Harris in New Kent/Hanover Co. made it > look as > > > though there were > > > many William Harrises and some articles did > narrow it down > > > to 3 Wm's for > > > Hanover Co., however, that's not what I > found. > > > > > > Profile of Major William Harris d 1678 Henrico > Co. VA > > > includes positions > > > of Burgess and was serving as a Justice of the > Henrico > > > Orphans' Court > > > just a few days before his death. Major William > served as > > > Burgess > > > 1652-57 & served together as Burgesses with > Thomas > > > Ligon in 1655/56. > > > > > > The research of Malcolm H. Harris stated that the > 1725 Cubb > > > Cr. William > > > Harris (aka "Third William Harris of Hanover > > > Co.") was "without rank or > > > any other identifying information other than his > > > association with George > > > Alves in the records of St. Paul?s Parish and > patents of > > > adjoining lands > > > in Hanover County" was incorrect and this is > the > > > statement that has > > > misled & confused many researchers from DNA > Groups of 6 > > > & 8 for some time > > > & finding our research crossing over into the > supposed > > > territory of the > > > Wm/Temp line & also involved in records with > some in > > > that line. > > > > > > It is DNA Gp 8 that does carry several lines that > show the > > > Overton middle > > > name with proof that one line had that name as > early as > > > 1750'ish. How > > > all of those male Harris names fit into the > picture coming > > > down from Capt > > > William Harris can only be explained by more than > one > > > marriage by Capt > > > William Harris. We do know that Mary was the > wife of > > > William in a > > > 1692/93 Henrico Co. record...she doesn't show > up in any > > > record after that > > > & we really don't know how many sons they > had > > > together & if she died & he > > > then married an Overton or he could have had > multiple > > > marriages in his > > > lifetime. I can see the possibility of an > Overton marriage > > > from the 1706 > > > vestry minutes where two Robert Anderson's > (Sr. & > > > Jr.) were on the vestry > > > board when William had made application for the > vestry > > > & it's my > > > understanding that one Robert Anderson was > married to an > > > Overton and in > > > 1716 William Harris was voted into the vestry in > place of > > > Robert Anderson > > > dec'd. > > > > > > I'm not an expert & don't have all > the answers > > > except to say that I > > > studied & stayed focused on this time frame > coming down > > > from Maj William > > > Harris to the early New Kent records and have > accumulated > > > proof records > > > for my findings & can say the process of this > was well > > > over a year in the > > > study. I add a disclaimer that the above > findings have > > > been my own and > > > for every other researcher to search & draw > their own > > > conclusions. > > > > > > Carol > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:12:01 -0800 (PST) belva > cauthen > > > <[email protected]> writes: > > > recently this deed re william harris/ henrietta > has been > > > discussed > > > > and as i went back and reviewed, i noted > that it had > > > been discussed > > > > in the past and this same deed posted a > number of > > > times, including > > > > the following post by e.w., which gives a > lot more > > > info per this > > > > deed. > > > > > > > > i have both some questions and some > comments. > > > > > > > > as shown, per this deed re william harris/ > henrietta, > > > it states that > > > > it was part of the 1500 acres which was a > patent to > > > this william > > > > harris'/ henrietta father. > > > > > > > > the only william harris i know who had a > patent for > > > 1500 acres in > > > > 1725 is stated to have been the william > harris, jr, > > > said to have > > > > been the son of captain william harris/ > temperance > > > overton. > > > > > > > > that patent for 1500 acres is described as > being on > > > elk creek > > > > adjacent james overton. this patent here is > described > > > as being on > > > > the north fork of little river at the mouth > of > > > horsepen swamp. > > > > > > > > so, are these different descriptions for the > same > > > patent? > > > > > > > > how is it known that this william > harris' wife, > > > henrietta was a > > > > baker? is there a marriage record or some > other info > > > stating or > > > > showing this? > > > > > > > > also, how is it known that the william > harris, jr, who > > > obtained this > > > > patent for 1500 acres in 1725 was married to > elizabeth > > > burnett? > > > > again, is there some record of this? > > > > > > > > are there any actual deeds for this william > harris/ > > > elizabeth > > > > burnett? > > > > > > > > again, the following version of this same > deed which > > > pat posted and > > > > discussed recently had been posted earlier > by e. w. : > > > > > > > > She indicates her source is a deed in > Louisa Co., VA. > > > She abstracts > > > > Louisa > > > > Co., VA DB 2-298, 24 Apr 1759. > > > > > > > > A fuller abstract of this deed is found in a > > > later-published book of > > > > Louisa > > > > Co., deeds. I will copy it here for the use > of other > > > Harris-Hunters. > > > > > > > > (Please cite the sources if you use this > material.) > > > > > > > > [Louisa Co., VA DB B-298-300] 24 Apr 1759 > William > > > Harris of > > > > Fredericksville > > > > Par., Louisa Co., and Hennerittah, his wife, > to Martin > > > Baker of St. > > > > Martin's > > > > Par., Hanover 325 pds currt. money. 350 > acres in > > > Fredericksville > > > > Par; part > > > > of a tract of 1,500 acres granted by patent > 24 Mar > > > 1725 to one > > > > William Harris > > > > by records of Williamsburg and by sd. > Harris, who was > > > the father of > > > > sd. > > > > William Harris, gave unto his son in his > Last Will and > > > Testament > > > > recorded in > > > > Hanover Co. Land lyeth on north fork of the > Little > > > River ... at the > > > > mouth of > > > > Horsepen Swamp, up sd. Swamp to Benjamin > Bibb's > > > line ... near the > > > > head of the > > > > old mill pon(d) crossing the River south. > > > > > > > > Wm. Harris > > > > Henrita Harris > > > > Wit: David Smith, Thos. Rice., Jos Goodman. > > > > 24 Apr 1759 acknowledged by William Harris > and > > > Renrita, his wife who > > > > declared > > > > her consent. > > > > > > > > (Rosalie Edith Davis, LOUISA COUNTY, > VIRGINIA DEED > > > BOOKS A AND B, > > > > 1742-1759 > > > > [Bellingham, WA: Published by author, 1976], > p. 142) > > > > > > > > > > > > belva harris cauthen > > > > harris dna group 8--------26910 > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Click here to find the perfect picture with our > powerful > > > photo search features. > > > > > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1aBnCoyhlum1qIdn3S6wyO4 > 9yPPMRvMbp7Qe8k0A90ImAnc/ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to > > > [email protected] with the word > > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and > > > the body of the message > > > > > > > > > >

Belva, Here is what I know about my line. All of them tied in here(Toney, Harris, Rice and Sneed) Charles Toney married an Elizabeth Harris in Goochland Co, VA 30 Jan 1725. she was supposed to be a daughter of a Thomas Harris(1667-1725) and Mary Giles. Charles Toney and Elizabeth Harris Toney had a daughter Mary "Mollie" Toney who married Charles Rice 4 Nov 1774(Mollie was one of the youngest children) My question is: who are Elizabeth Harris Toney's parents? Apparently several generations of my line associated together with the Depriests and the Harris lines you have given deeds from. They also moved from Hanover/New Kent into Goochland and on. Del --- On Sun, 11/30/08, belva cauthen <[email protected]> wrote: > From: belva cauthen <[email protected]> > Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] reply to del re william harris/ charles rice goochland co, va > To: "harris hunters" <[email protected]> > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 3:25 PM > del >   > i think but, am not sure, that your email was just sent to > me rather than to harris hunters but i am going to reply to > you on harris hunters > Sunday, November 30, 2008 4:36 PM > > > > From: >   > > > Hi Belva! > Del from B'ham again! the Charles Rice mentioned in the > 50 a. 11/2/1757 transfer from William Harris is my Charles > Rice!! GOODY!! Who is this William Harris who sold Charles > Rice the 50 acres?? > Thanks!! > Del > >   >   > del >   >   > again, edward harris, stated to have been son of our > william harris/ mary giles of cubb creek, sold these 50 > acres of land to william harris also of louisa co, va, who > is shown to have been the same william harris/ mary, who > was in goochland co, va and who sold these same 50 acres of > land to charles rice, who you now say was your charles rice. >   > in the past, it has been said by others, including malcolm > harris, that this william harris, wife, mary, of louisa/ > goochland cos, va was the son, william harris, of our > william harris/ mary giles. >   > again, i do not agree and, again, we have no dna from any > harris descendant of this william harris/ mary of louisa/ > goochland co, va to say which harris line/ family he is part > of and/ or belongs. >   > all of my research, per the records, and i have talked > about this a lot on harris hunters, and my/ our harris dna > shows that it was my william harris/ judith hudson of > brunswick/ lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, va who was the son, > william, of our william harris/ mary giles and who was the > father of my william harris, sr/ frances goode also of > lunenburg/ mecklenburg cos, va. >   > again, if my research and the records showed that my > william harris, sr/ frances goode of lunenburg/ mecklenburg > cos, va was the son, william, of this william harris/ > mary of louisa/ goochland cos, va,  i would certainly say > so but it does not. >   > again, all of the info shows that my william harris, sr/ > frances goode was the son, william, of william harris of > brunswick/ lunenburg/ mecklenburg cos, va, who is shown > to have been william harris/ judith hudson.  >   > then,  my william harris, sr of lunenburg/ mecklenburg > cos, va was the father of my william harris, jr, who died in > 1799 in laurens co, sc. >   > again, given this william harris'/ mary of louisa and > goochland cos, association with edward harris, son of our > william harris/ mary giles; the cawthon family; your rice > family; the depriest family, etc, the info does indicate to > me that he was related harris family. >   > again, the info strongly suggests and indicates, but i > cannot confirm, that this william harris/ mary of louisa/ > goochland cos, va may have been the son of our william > harris' / mary giles' brother, edward harris. >   > can you tell me more about how you descend from this > charles rice and please reply on harris hunters? >   > thanks. >   > belva harris cauthen > harris dna group 8-------26910 >   >   >   >   >   > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

del   i think but, am not sure, that your email was just sent to me rather than to harris hunters but i am going to reply to you on harris hunters Sunday, November 30, 2008 4:36 PM From:   Hi Belva! Del from B'ham again! the Charles Rice mentioned in the 50 a. 11/2/1757 transfer from William Harris is my Charles Rice!! GOODY!! Who is this William Harris who sold Charles Rice the 50 acres?? Thanks!! Del     del     again, edward harris, stated to have been son of our william harris/ mary giles of cubb creek, sold these 50 acres of land to william harris also of louisa co, va, who is shown to have been the same william harris/ mary, who was in goochland co, va and who sold these same 50 acres of land to charles rice, who you now say was your charles rice.   in the past, it has been said by others, including malcolm harris, that this william harris, wife, mary, of louisa/ goochland cos, va was the son, william harris, of our william harris/ mary giles.   again, i do not agree and, again, we have no dna from any harris descendant of this william harris/ mary of louisa/ goochland co, va to say which harris line/ family he is part of and/ or belongs.   all of my research, per the records, and i have talked about this a lot on harris hunters, and my/ our harris dna shows that it was my william harris/ judith hudson of brunswick/ lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, va who was the son, william, of our william harris/ mary giles and who was the father of my william harris, sr/ frances goode also of lunenburg/ mecklenburg cos, va.   again, if my research and the records showed that my william harris, sr/ frances goode of lunenburg/ mecklenburg cos, va was the son, william, of this william harris/ mary of louisa/ goochland cos, va,  i would certainly say so but it does not.   again, all of the info shows that my william harris, sr/ frances goode was the son, william, of william harris of brunswick/ lunenburg/ mecklenburg cos, va, who is shown to have been william harris/ judith hudson.    then,  my william harris, sr of lunenburg/ mecklenburg cos, va was the father of my william harris, jr, who died in 1799 in laurens co, sc.   again, given this william harris'/ mary of louisa and goochland cos, association with edward harris, son of our william harris/ mary giles; the cawthon family; your rice family; the depriest family, etc, the info does indicate to me that he was related harris family.   again, the info strongly suggests and indicates, but i cannot confirm, that this william harris/ mary of louisa/ goochland cos, va may have been the son of our william harris' / mary giles' brother, edward harris.   can you tell me more about how you descend from this charles rice and please reply on harris hunters?   thanks.   belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8-------26910          

again, the william harris, who was in 1743 in brunswick co, va and who sold this land in louisa co, va to this same stephen harris of hanover co, va associated with tom harris' david harris/ jane landy richardson and carol's thomas harris, etc, and who are both part of our harris dna group 8, was not the same william harris, who was in louisa and goochland co, va.   again, it is this william harris of brunswick/ lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, va, who i believe was my william harris/ judith hudson, father of my william harris, sr/ frances goode also of lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, va.   this william harris of louisa/ goochland co, va was the william harris, who edward harris, son of our william harris/ mary giles sold this louisa co, va land to, per, again, the  louisa co, va deed below, but are there any deeds that also associate this william harris with stephen harris, etc?   Louisa County Court 12th day of September 1743, page 73 An Indenture made between Edward Harris of the Parish of Fredericksville in this County of the one part and William Harris of the Parish and County aforesaid of the other part concerning fifty acres of land lying in the Parish and County aforesaid with a Memorandum of Livery of Seisin and Receipt endorsed was this day in open Court acknowledged by the said Edward Harris as his act and deed and by the Court admitted to Record. Louisa County Order Book, 1742-1743, page 41    again, the william harris, who our edward harris, son of our william harris/ mary giles, sold these 50 acres to in louisa co, va was the same william harris, who was in 1757 in goochland co, va, and, again, as shown, he sold these same 50 acres to charles rice.    2 November 1757 William Harris of St. John's Parish, Goochland Co., to Charles Rice of Hanover Co. 24 pounds, 50 acres and plantation in Fredericksville Parish; part of a greater tract which Edward Harris sold to William Wadkens/ Watkins ...Captain Dabney's corner. William [X] Harris Witnesses: William Terrill , Israel Burnley , Charles Pears, Thos. East.   28 February 1758 proved by oaths of William Terrill, Israel Burnley and Thos. East. George II to Thomas Starke and George Payne, Gentlemen. Power granted to take acknowledgement of Mary Harris, who is so impotent that without great danger of her body she cannot travel to the Court of our said County. 4 March 1758 James Littlepage Clk. Court 10 May 1758 We, the subscribers went to within named Mary Harris, who freely made acknowledgement. Thomas Starke, George Payne again, this william harris' association with the rice family;  the depriest family; the cawthon family; george alvis, etc, in hanover co, va, per the processioning records, leads me to think that this william harris was related harris family.   however, my william harris/ judith hudson of brunswick/ lunenburg/ mecklenburg cos, va and this william harris/ mary of louisa and goochland cos, va could not both be the sons, william, of our william harris/ mary giles.   so, the only way that this william harris of louisa/ goochland co, va could also be related to us and also be a descendant of our captain thomas harris' harris line and family is that this william harris of hanover/ louisa/ goochland cos, va was the son of edward harris, brother of our william harris/ mary giles.   we have no dna, so far, from any descendant of this william harris of louisa/ goochland co, va to say for sure whether he was related to our harris dna group 8 or not?   again, my william harris/ judith hudson and my william harris, sr/ frances goode, who were in brunswick/ lunenburg co, va by 1743/ 1746 and  this william harris of hanover/ louisa/ goochland cos, va was not the same william harris/ henrietta, in 1759 in louisa co, va  who sold this land to martin baker and who is shown/ stated to have been the son of this william harris, who obtained these 1500 acres in 1725 and who is stated to have been william harris, jr, son of captain william harris/ temperance overton.   carol, was your post just to me or was it also on harris hunters?   i cannot say if our william harris/ mary giles had other wives other than his wife, mary, per this 1694 new kent co, va deed, but i would have problems in trying to figure that all these william harrises i.e. my william harris/ judith hudson; william harris of louisa/ goochland; william harris, jr, per 1725, 1500 acre-grant, with dates of birth being, seemingly, all about the same time as being sons, william, of our william harris/ mary giles.   again, also, there are the participants of harris dna group 6, who say that they are descending from captain william harris/ temperance overton and his son, this william harris, jr.       belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8------26910

again, the william harris, who was in brunswick co, va in 1743, i believe was william harris/ judith hudson and that he was the father of my william harris, sr/ frances goode, who were both, along with my mackerness goode, sr, etc, on this 1749 lunenburg co, va tithe list in cornelius cargills district and the same william harris, sr and jr, per this 1750 dodson survey for this land on wynn creek, which became a patent to my william harris, sr/ frances goode in 1758.   again, as shown, per this 1743 brunswick co, va deed, william harris sold this louisa co, va land to stephen harris of st martin's parish in hanover co, va.   Louisa County Court 12th day of September 1743, page 73, An Indenture made between William Harris of Brunswick County of the one part and Stephen Harris of Saint Martin’s Parish in the County of Hanover of the other part concerning sixty two acres of land lying in the parish of Fredericksville in this County with a Memorandum of Livery of Seisin and Receipt thereon endorsed ws this day in open Court proved to be the act and deed of the said William Harris by the Oaths of James Waddy, Richard Donalson and John Adams witnesses thereto and admitted to Record. Louisa County Order Book, 1742-1743, page 41-42   this is definitely indicated/ shown to have been the same stephen harris, who was also associated with pat clare's husband, tom harris' ancestor david harris/ jane landy richardson, per the following hanover co, va deed:     Book A, p. 256-257.  20 Oct 1746  David Harris of St. Martin ’s Par., Hanover Co., to Israel Snead of same. £65.  253 acres on south side of Cubb Creek; part of a tract granted to William Harris by patent 24 Mar 1725.  David Harris Wit: Jno. Pryor, John Snead, Stephen (S) Harris, Samuel Snead. 25 Nov 1746 proved by oaths of John Snead, Stephen Harris and Samuel Snead. Jane, the wife of sd. Harris relinquished her right of dower.   he is also indicated to have been the same stephen harris, who was also involved with carol's thomas harris; robert harris; this stephen davis; and the depriest family per also the following hanover co, va deeds: 23 June 1748 Robert Harris of St. Martin Parish, Hanover County to Thomas Harris of same for £25, 400 acres in Amelia County on the south side of the North fork of Falling Creek. Bounded by: Randolph ’s line, Harden’s line. Robert Harris Witnesses: George Harris, Stephen Harris, Harrison Deprieart ( Depriest  ) (Amelia County Deed Book 3, page 92-94)   again, this same land that this robert harris of st martin's parish, hanover co, va sold to carol's thomas harris, her thomas harris/ sabra sold back to this robert harris or his son, robert harris, jr in 1763.   In 1763, Thomas Harris, Jr. and wife, Saborey (Sabra) of Louisa Co., Va sell 400a tract for 70 pounds (south side of North Fork of Falling Creek) in Prince Edward to Robt Harris of Hanover. Sabra could not attend to relinquish dower rights so Wm Johnson and Nicholas Johnson, Justices of the Peace of Louisa Co. went there to do it for her. (Prince Edward Deed Bk 2, p16 dtd 16 May 1763) Note: This is my Thomas Harris.   then, again, this robert harris, sr or jr, wife, elizabeth, sold this same land in 1771 to stephen davis, which, again, was also witnessed by the depriest and crenshaw family.     Prince Edward Co., VA, DB 4, p. 73-75, 1 July 1771 This indenture made this thirty first day of July in the year of our Lord Christ one thousand seven hundred seventy one between Robert Harris and Elizabeth his wife of St. Martins Parish in the county of Hanover of the one part and Stephen Davis of parish and county above said of the other part, witnesseth that the said Robert Harris and Elizabeth his wife for and in consideration of the sum of one hundred pounds current money of Virginia to them in hand paid by the said Stephen Davis the receipt whereof they the said Robert Harris and Elizth his wife doth hereby acknowledge that they the said Robert Harris and Elizabeth his wife have granted bargained sold aliened and confirmed and by these presents doth grant bargain sell alien and confirm unto the said Stephen Davis his heirs and assigns forever one certain tract or parcel of land lying and being in the county of Prince Edward on Lockets Creek the south side, and bounded as followeth to wit, beginning at the said Lockets Creek in Randolph’s line thence along his line west 9 degrees north 97 poles to his corner red oak, thence south six degrees east sixty poles to said Davis corner thence along his line west 14 degrees south two hundred and fifty six poles to his corner, thence north two hundred and two poles to a corner ash on the said Lockets Creek and thence down the said creek as it meanders to the beginning, including four hundred acres of land as by the patent appears, be the same more or less and also all trees underwoods profits commodities ......... said Robert Harris & Elizabeth his wife for themselves and their heirs and assigns doth warrant and will forever defend by these presents the right and title of the said land and premises above mentioned to the said Stephen Davis his heirs and assigns forever by these presents. In witness whereof the said Robert Harris and Elizabeth his wife hath set their hands and affixed their seals the day and year first above written. Robert [ R ] Harris  /s/  Wit: Charles Crenshaw, Robert Depriest, Jennings Pulliam   to be continued:   belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8-------26910

pat posted that this william harris/ henrietta baker reads like a harris dna group 8 deed:   > This deed walks and talks like a Group 8 Harris, but it is very difficult to sort out the apparent multiple Henrietta Harrises.   i am trying to understand why you say this?   again, the william harris, jr, who obtained this 1725, 1500 acre grant, is said to have been william harris, jr, son of captain william harris/ temperance overton.   this deed does show that this william harris, who was the one who obtained this  1725, 1500 acre grant adjacent george woodruff, the arnolds on elk creek of overton fork, and which was the same area as this horsepen swamp, was deceased by 1759, or earlier, when his son, this william harris/ henrietta sold this land in 1759 to martin baker.   we are having controversy in our harris dna group 8 whether my william harris, sr/ frances goode's father, who i believe was william harris/ judith hudson and this william harris of goochland co, va was the son of our william harris/ mary giles?   neither of these would have been either this william harris, who obtained this 1500 acre grant in 1725 or his son, this william harris/ henrietta here who sold this land to martin baker.   so, i am trying to understand and to figure how this william harris, per this 1500 acre grant, and his son, this william harris/ henrietta, would have been related to us and part of our harris dna group 8?   i can certainly agree that we have yet to understand or to get all of this right but who are all of these harris dna group 6 participants and who say they are descending from captain william harris/ temperance overton and his son, this william harris, jr, who is said to have obtained this 1725, 1500 acre grant on overton fork of elk creek?     Louisa Co., VA DB B-298-300] 24 Apr 1759 William Harris of Fredericksville Par., Louisa Co., and Hennerittah, his wife, to Martin Baker of St. Martin's Par., Hanover 325 pds currt. money. 350 acres in Fredericksville Par; part of a tract of 1,500 acres granted by patent 24 Mar 1725 to one William Harris by records of Williamsburg and by sd. Harris, who was the father of sd. William Harris, gave unto his son in his Last Will and Testament recorded in Hanover Co. Land lyeth on north fork of the Little River ... at the mouth of Horsepen Swamp, up sd. Swamp to Benjamin Bibb's line ... near the head of the old mill pon(d) crossing the River south. Wm. Harris Henrita Harris Wit: David Smith, Thos. Rice., Jos Goodman. 24 Apr 1759 acknowledged by William Harris and Renrita, his wife who declared her consent.    again, this william harris/ henrietta baker, son of the william harris, who obtained this 1500 acre grant, and who is selling this land to martin baker in 1759 is/ was not my william harris, sr/ frances goode, who was in lunenburg co, va by 1746 and who, again, i believe was the son, william, of william harris/ judith hudson, who were in brunswick co, va by 1743, and he was also not the william harris, who was in goochland co, va, who, again, some think, and malcolm harris also wrote, was the son of our william harris/ mary giles.   Louisa County Court 12th day of September 1743, page 73, An Indenture made between William Harris of Brunswick County of the one part and Stephen Harris of Saint Martin’s Parish in the County of Hanover of the other part concerning sixty two acres of land lying in the parish of Fredericksville in this County with a Memorandum of Livery of Seisin and Receipt thereon endorsed ws this day in open Court proved to be the act and deed of the said William Harris by the Oaths of James Waddy, Richard Donalson and John Adams witnesses thereto and admitted to Record. Louisa County Order Book, 1742-1743, page 41-42     p. 243-5, 11/2/1757. wm. HARRIS of St. John's Par, Goochland CO to Charles RICE of Hanover CO, 50 A & plan. in Fred. Parish, part of greater tract Ed. HARRIS sold to wm WADKINS, Capt. DABNEY's corner. Sig: wm.HARRIs. Wit: Wm. TERRILL, Israel BURNLEY, Charles PEARS, Thos. EAST   so, again, i am trying to understand why you say this william harris/ henrietta, would have been part of our harris dna group 8?   to be continued:   belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8-------26910

I have been half-heartedly trying to sort out the Bibb family in Louisa County in the time frame that you are talking about below. When I first read the transcription of the deed below, I considered writing to the list to ask if anyone knew just where the land that is being talked about was located. Then I decided that I should try to figure it out for myself before requesting help. But if someone already understands what part of Louisa County we are looking at below, would you please save me the time that I would need to put in to figure it out? My Thomas R. Hawkins married Martha Bibb in 1839. I am looking at the land that they lived on for the rest of Martha's life. It is partly in Orange County and partly in Louisa County at Mallory's Ford. I believe that Martha may have brought this land to the marriage and that it had been Bibb land before it came to be owned by T.R. Hawkins. It would be helpful for me to know have information about Bibb land in the early 1800's. Martha's father was Benjamin Bibb (1746-1835) who was married to Agnes tate according to other researchers. Besides the Bibb siblings to Martha: John, Richard, Benjamin there is a man named John Ellis who also seems to be involved with this Bibb family as an adminstrator or executor...can't do that from memory. Marsha in WV On Nov 30, 2008, at 12:19 AM, Cindy wrote: > My line is supposedly off the harris/baker/burnett lines. Moses > Harris was reportedly a son of William Harris and Henerietta Baker. > Moses' daughter Rebecca married a Thomas Bibb. Moses died in 1813 > in Orange Co., VA. It will be interesting to see how this comes > out. My grandmother was a Harris so DNA is not a source I can use. > We have done the test on the mother's side. Please let me know if I > can provide anything on this line. > > > --- On Sat, 11/29/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > .... > She indicates her source is a deed in Louisa Co., VA. She abstracts > Louisa > Co., VA DB 2-298, 24 Apr 1759. > > ..... > > of 1,500 acres granted by patent 24 Mar 1725 to one William > Harris > by records of Williamsburg and by sd. Harris, who was the father of > sd. > William Harris, gave unto his son in his Last Will and Testament > recorded in > Hanover Co. Land lyeth on north fork of the Little River ... at the > mouth of > Horsepen Swamp, up sd. Swamp to Benjamin Bibb's line ... near the > head of > the > old mill pon(d) crossing the River south.

Belva, you wrote: the only william harris i know who had a patent for 1500 acres in 1725 is stated to have been the william harris, jr, said to have been the son of captain william harris/ temperance overton. George Alves was the step-father to younger sons Wm & Edward of Maj Wm Harris d 1678. We know these two sons were in New Kent records from 1692 - 1698. The St. Paul's Vestry records begin in 1704/05...with George Alves serving on the vestry board in the first recording of the vestry...with Edward Harris as surveyor in 1703/4 & William Harris, surveyor in 1706. George Alves continued to serve on that vestry until 1730(except to make a trip to Great Britain 1711/12). In 1716 Wm Harris was admitted to the vestry with George Alvis as a member of the vestry board that day and from that point forward until 1727, both George Alvis and William Harris served on the same vestry board together until Wm Harris & James Overton were replaced on the board on 2 Jan 1726/27 by Thomas Anderson & Charles Hudson. I cannot see how George Alves and William Harris who also processioned their adjoining lands together in 1707, serving on this vestry board together for 10+ years (1716-1727) could be anything but "step-father & step-son". My findings are that the William Harris, surveyor of the Forks, vestryman, church warden with military rank of Captain was, in fact, the son of Major William Harris d 1678 Henrico Co. Edward Harris, surveyor in 1704 was also a son of Major William Harris. These two sons of Maj Wm were raised among surveyors within the Ligon family....their Aunt Mary & Uncle Thomas Ligon were a family of surveyors...with Col Thomas Ligon appointed Royal Surveyor of Henrico County. Col Thomas Ligon also served alongside Major William Harris as both Burgesses of Henrico Co....their son Richard Ligon tutored his orphan/cousin William Harris in 1682/83 by indenture...Richard Ligon is in a Henrico Co. record in 1680 as being a surveyor at that time. One issue that might have confused those who authored the old published articles was perhaps they weren't aware that surveyor's were privy or had access to inside knowledge of good land/deals & some surveyors ended up accumulating mass quantities of land in that regard as did surveyors like Peter Jefferson & George Washington. With so many land patents for William Harris in New Kent/Hanover Co. made it look as though there were many William Harrises and some articles did narrow it down to 3 Wm's for Hanover Co., however, that's not what I found. Profile of Major William Harris d 1678 Henrico Co. VA includes positions of Burgess and was serving as a Justice of the Henrico Orphans' Court just a few days before his death. Major William served as Burgess 1652-57 & served together as Burgesses with Thomas Ligon in 1655/56. The research of Malcolm H. Harris stated that the 1725 Cubb Cr. William Harris (aka "Third William Harris of Hanover Co.") was "without rank or any other identifying information other than his association with George Alves in the records of St. Paul�s Parish and patents of adjoining lands in Hanover County" was incorrect and this is the statement that has misled & confused many researchers from DNA Groups of 6 & 8 for some time & finding our research crossing over into the supposed territory of the Wm/Temp line & also involved in records with some in that line. It is DNA Gp 8 that does carry several lines that show the Overton middle name with proof that one line had that name as early as 1750'ish. How all of those male Harris names fit into the picture coming down from Capt William Harris can only be explained by more than one marriage by Capt William Harris. We do know that Mary was the wife of William in a 1692/93 Henrico Co. record...she doesn't show up in any record after that & we really don't know how many sons they had together & if she died & he then married an Overton or he could have had multiple marriages in his lifetime. I can see the possibility of an Overton marriage from the 1706 vestry minutes where two Robert Anderson's (Sr. & Jr.) were on the vestry board when William had made application for the vestry & it's my understanding that one Robert Anderson was married to an Overton and in 1716 William Harris was voted into the vestry in place of Robert Anderson dec'd. I'm not an expert & don't have all the answers except to say that I studied & stayed focused on this time frame coming down from Maj William Harris to the early New Kent records and have accumulated proof records for my findings & can say the process of this was well over a year in the study. I add a disclaimer that the above findings have been my own and for every other researcher to search & draw their own conclusions. Carol On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:12:01 -0800 (PST) belva cauthen <[email protected]> writes: recently this deed re william harris/ henrietta has been discussed > and as i went back and reviewed, i noted that it had been discussed > in the past and this same deed posted a number of times, including > the following post by e.w., which gives a lot more info per this > deed. > > i have both some questions and some comments. > > as shown, per this deed re william harris/ henrietta, it states that > it was part of the 1500 acres which was a patent to this william > harris'/ henrietta father. > > the only william harris i know who had a patent for 1500 acres in > 1725 is stated to have been the william harris, jr, said to have > been the son of captain william harris/ temperance overton. > > that patent for 1500 acres is described as being on elk creek > adjacent james overton. this patent here is described as being on > the north fork of little river at the mouth of horsepen swamp. > > so, are these different descriptions for the same patent? > > how is it known that this william harris' wife, henrietta was a > baker? is there a marriage record or some other info stating or > showing this? > > also, how is it known that the william harris, jr, who obtained this > patent for 1500 acres in 1725 was married to elizabeth burnett? > again, is there some record of this? > > are there any actual deeds for this william harris/ elizabeth > burnett? > > again, the following version of this same deed which pat posted and > discussed recently had been posted earlier by e. w. : > > She indicates her source is a deed in Louisa Co., VA. She abstracts > Louisa > Co., VA DB 2-298, 24 Apr 1759. > > A fuller abstract of this deed is found in a later-published book of > Louisa > Co., deeds. I will copy it here for the use of other Harris-Hunters. > > (Please cite the sources if you use this material.) > > [Louisa Co., VA DB B-298-300] 24 Apr 1759 William Harris of > Fredericksville > Par., Louisa Co., and Hennerittah, his wife, to Martin Baker of St. > Martin's > Par., Hanover 325 pds currt. money. 350 acres in Fredericksville > Par; part > of a tract of 1,500 acres granted by patent 24 Mar 1725 to one > William Harris > by records of Williamsburg and by sd. Harris, who was the father of > sd. > William Harris, gave unto his son in his Last Will and Testament > recorded in > Hanover Co. Land lyeth on north fork of the Little River ... at the > mouth of > Horsepen Swamp, up sd. Swamp to Benjamin Bibb's line ... near the > head of the > old mill pon(d) crossing the River south. > > Wm. Harris > Henrita Harris > Wit: David Smith, Thos. Rice., Jos Goodman. > 24 Apr 1759 acknowledged by William Harris and Renrita, his wife who > declared > her consent. > > (Rosalie Edith Davis, LOUISA COUNTY, VIRGINIA DEED BOOKS A AND B, > 1742-1759 > [Bellingham, WA: Published by author, 1976], p. 142) > > > belva harris cauthen > harris dna group 8--------26910 ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1aBnCoyhlum1qIdn3S6wyO49yPPMRvMbp7Qe8k0A90ImAnc/

Dear Harris-Hunters, Those of you have access to the online genealogical database called HeritageQuest [through your local or State public library] may be interested to know that Malcolm Hart Harris's book History of Louisa Co. appears there. Click on Books and then use a Place search - Louisa Co. Virginia About page 6 [perhaps earlier] he lists a good many land patents. They are highly abstracted, and I recommend you make a note [you can add to your Notebook at the top of the screen] of the patents which interest you and then check the Library of Virginia website to find a fuller explanation of the patents in which you are interested. In particular, note the watercourse. There was a lot of intermarriage among families on the same watercourse. The LVA website for land patents is _http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/land/index.htm_ (http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/land/index.htm) Remove any punctuation fore and aft which AOL seems to add to the URL. E.W.Wallace **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002)

My line is supposedly off the harris/baker/burnett lines.  Moses Harris was reportedly a son of William Harris and Henerietta Baker. Moses' daughter Rebecca married a Thomas Bibb.  Moses died in 1813 in Orange Co., VA.  It will be interesting to see how this comes out.  My grandmother was a Harris so DNA is not a source I can use.  We have done the test on the mother's side.  Please let me know if I can provide anything on this line. --- On Sat, 11/29/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] re william harris/ henrietta baker/ william harris/ eliz... To: [email protected], [email protected] Date: Saturday, November 29, 2008, 2:20 PM In a message dated 11/29/2008 4:29:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: again, the following version of this same deed which pat posted and discussed recently had been posted earlier by e. w. : She indicates her source is a deed in Louisa Co., VA. She abstracts Louisa Co., VA DB 2-298, 24 Apr 1759. A fuller abstract of this deed is found in a later-published book of Louisa Co., deeds. I will copy it here for the use of other Harris-Hunters. (Please cite the sources if you use this material.) [Louisa Co., VA DB B-298-300] 24 Apr 1759 William Harris of Fredericksville Par., Louisa Co., and Hennerittah, his wife, to Martin Baker of St. Martin's Par., Hanover 325 pds currt. money. 350 acres in Fredericksville Par; part of a tract of 1,500 acres granted by patent 24 Mar 1725 to one William Harris by records of Williamsburg and by sd. Harris, who was the father of sd. William Harris, gave unto his son in his Last Will and Testament recorded in Hanover Co. Land lyeth on north fork of the Little River ... at the mouth of Horsepen Swamp, up sd. Swamp to Benjamin Bibb's line ... near the head of the old mill pon(d) crossing the River south. Wm. Harris Henrita Harris Wit: David Smith, Thos. Rice., Jos Goodman. 24 Apr 1759 acknowledged by William Harris and Renrita, his wife who declared her consent. (Rosalie Edith Davis, LOUISA COUNTY, VIRGINIA DEED BOOKS A AND B, 1742-1759 [Bellingham, WA: Published by author, 1976], p. 142) This deed walks and talks like a Group 8 Harris, but it is very difficult to sort out the apparent multiple Henrietta Harrises. The William Harris who went to Mercer KY and who left a widow in 1793 is often said to be this William Harris above, but that William Harris had daughters under 16 in 1793, which is not a possibility for a Henrietta Baker born to fit a William Harris born as early as William Harris/Henrietta Baker needs to be.(ca 1715-1722?) In the name of God Amen: I******************* William Harris desires this writing to be taken and received as my last will and Testament. I lend all my estate to my loving wife, Henrietta Harris, till my daughter Ann Harris is sixteen years of age, that my wife have all my estate she paying all my just debts and when my daughter Ann Harris is sixteen then my desire is that an equal division be made of the estate between my loving wife & all my children excepting my daughter Bradbourn, to her and I leave one shilling. Lastly I appoint my loving wife my Executrix and my friend George Thompson my Executor of this my last will and testament. In witness my hand and seal this 7th day of May 1792. William Harris Signed, Sealed & Delivered in the presence of William Clark, Richard Fields, George Thompson jr., George Thompson Mercer County Kentucky. July Court 1793. This last will and testament of William Harris was Exhibited in Court and Proved by the Oaths of George Thompson jr. and George Thompson senior, both subscribing witnesses thereto and is admitted to be recorded.15" " _______________ Is this below the same Henrietta Harris who is still alive when the daughter Ann marries in 1804? Marriage Bonds and Consents 1786-1810 Mercer County, Kentucky, by: Alma Ray Sanders Ison, Rebecca Wilson Conover, Harrodsburg, KY 1970, 1982, 1989 p 95, Robards, Joseph *****and Nancy Harris, September 11, 1804 Bondsman: William Harris Bride's mother: Henrietta Harris***************** Teste: Nathaniel and Frederick Harris <_http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?Mercer,Co::robards::134.h tml_ (http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?Mercer,Co::robards::134.html) > Also, there was no response from any Group 6 researcher who claimed any Baker name, so far. Maybe someone can check the Malcolm Harris works for the recipients of the division of the 1500 acres and we can look at them again. Everyone assumes the names belong to Group 6, but with the multiple use of common names, another look is probably needed. Two families with links to Group 8 have an oral tradition that they come from William Harris/Henrietta Baker, and it has to be an earlier Wm Harris than the one who died on the way to Mercer KY as descibed by Malcolm Harris. **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My 23 June 1748 Amelia land record for my Thomas Harris of St. Martin's Hanover Co. purchasing Amelia land from Robert Harris of St. Martin's Hanover Co....wit: Stephen Harris, George Harris, Harrison Deprieart (most likely Harrison Harris noted in the next consecutive deed & "of St. Martin's Hanover Co.) So, we have between 23 May 1748 & 23 June 1748 records involving Robert, Thomas, Stephen, George & Harrison Harris...and now also a William Harris of St. Martin's Hanover Co. noted in the 23 May 1748 Charles Barret deed .... (6 Harris men living in St. Martin's Hanover Co.)....one month's difference in time. Charles Barrett is in the early records of Louisa Co. with Robert Harris, the surveyor. The Robert Harris who sold the 23 June 1748 Amelia land to my Thomas Harris "signed" his name to that indenture....same man in 1771 selling this same land to Stephen Davis "marked" his name....I have all 3 records (from original) that involve this Amelia (Falling Cr.) land...and the Robert in all these cases 1748, 1763, 1771 was noted living in St. Martin's Hanover Co....and he was the "only" Robert Harris who had land in Hanover Co. from 1763 to 1800 (Hanover Co. Tax records)...after 1800, his name no longer is on the tax list. So, when we have documents that show a man signing his name in 1748 & marking it in 1771, we have reason to question the theory of illiteracy on some of these records. Interesting his marked "R" in his 1771 P.E. Co. deed is made very nicely as tho that person could write. Louisa Co. DB A, p 491/92 May 23, 1748 Charles Barrett and Mary his wife of Fredericksville Par Louisa Co., to WILLIAM HARRIS OF ST. MARTIN'S PAR., HANOVER CO., 90 pounds 380 acres...sd Barret's corner...Licking Hole Branch. Wit: Rich Yancey, Charles Nuckolls, Benjamin (x) Henson 23 Aug 1753 acknowledged by Charles Barrett. George II to John Carr, ROBERT HARRIS and Joseph Bickley, Gentlemen Justices of Louisa Co. Power to take acknowledgment of Mary Barrett, wife of Charles Barret, who is so impotent, that without great danger of her body she cannot travel to the court of our sd County to make such acknowledgment. 3 Sept 1748. Jas. Littlepage Clk. 17 June 1749 We have privily examined sd Mary, wife to sd. Charles Barret, who acknowledged her right of dower. John Carr, Jo. Bickley //////////////////// The Robert Harris below is the former Burgess turned surveyor. Louisa County Court Orders "24th May 1748", p 267 [NOTE DATE OF 24 MAY 1748 one day later than the above 23 May 1748 Louisa Co. deed with Charles Barrett] The view of the bridge over the Northanna River being rseturned it is ordered that Charles Barret, Robert Harris, John Carr and JOSEPH BICKLEY, gent., or any two of them, agree with workmen for the building of the same between this and the next court. Louisa County Court 24th May 1748, p 267 Robert Harris, gent, is appointed to take the list of tithables in the room of Charles Barret, gent. //////////////////// JERDONE'S STORE ACCOUNTS Folio 151] Hanover County 1744 Mr Joseph Bickley in Louisa By maintaining David Harris in Prison from the 12th of May 1745 to the 24h of Sept 1745 is 134 days at 10 tobo per day, deducting 30% fo Conveniency 928 [Folio 170] Virginia Hanover County Sundries Dr to Ballance brought forward Harris Robert Surveyor Harriss William Harriss David Harriss John fighting Jack Harris Sarah ____________________________________________________________ Click to compare psych/counseling degrees in a free directory of programs. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw3gTLhFUQzLhBYj4EKfMfBgapgtkNWdLSjgq6u9HNtbHsUYO/

In a message dated 11/29/2008 4:29:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: again, the following version of this same deed which pat posted and discussed recently had been posted earlier by e. w. : She indicates her source is a deed in Louisa Co., VA. She abstracts Louisa Co., VA DB 2-298, 24 Apr 1759. A fuller abstract of this deed is found in a later-published book of Louisa Co., deeds. I will copy it here for the use of other Harris-Hunters. (Please cite the sources if you use this material.) [Louisa Co., VA DB B-298-300] 24 Apr 1759 William Harris of Fredericksville Par., Louisa Co., and Hennerittah, his wife, to Martin Baker of St. Martin's Par., Hanover 325 pds currt. money. 350 acres in Fredericksville Par; part of a tract of 1,500 acres granted by patent 24 Mar 1725 to one William Harris by records of Williamsburg and by sd. Harris, who was the father of sd. William Harris, gave unto his son in his Last Will and Testament recorded in Hanover Co. Land lyeth on north fork of the Little River ... at the mouth of Horsepen Swamp, up sd. Swamp to Benjamin Bibb's line ... near the head of the old mill pon(d) crossing the River south. Wm. Harris Henrita Harris Wit: David Smith, Thos. Rice., Jos Goodman. 24 Apr 1759 acknowledged by William Harris and Renrita, his wife who declared her consent. (Rosalie Edith Davis, LOUISA COUNTY, VIRGINIA DEED BOOKS A AND B, 1742-1759 [Bellingham, WA: Published by author, 1976], p. 142) This deed walks and talks like a Group 8 Harris, but it is very difficult to sort out the apparent multiple Henrietta Harrises. The William Harris who went to Mercer KY and who left a widow in 1793 is often said to be this William Harris above, but that William Harris had daughters under 16 in 1793, which is not a possibility for a Henrietta Baker born to fit a William Harris born as early as William Harris/Henrietta Baker needs to be.(ca 1715-1722?) In the name of God Amen: I******************* William Harris desires this writing to be taken and received as my last will and Testament. I lend all my estate to my loving wife, Henrietta Harris, till my daughter Ann Harris is sixteen years of age, that my wife have all my estate she paying all my just debts and when my daughter Ann Harris is sixteen then my desire is that an equal division be made of the estate between my loving wife & all my children excepting my daughter Bradbourn, to her and I leave one shilling. Lastly I appoint my loving wife my Executrix and my friend George Thompson my Executor of this my last will and testament. In witness my hand and seal this 7th day of May 1792. William Harris Signed, Sealed & Delivered in the presence of William Clark, Richard Fields, George Thompson jr., George Thompson Mercer County Kentucky. July Court 1793. This last will and testament of William Harris was Exhibited in Court and Proved by the Oaths of George Thompson jr. and George Thompson senior, both subscribing witnesses thereto and is admitted to be recorded.15" " _______________ Is this below the same Henrietta Harris who is still alive when the daughter Ann marries in 1804? Marriage Bonds and Consents 1786-1810 Mercer County, Kentucky, by: Alma Ray Sanders Ison, Rebecca Wilson Conover, Harrodsburg, KY 1970, 1982, 1989 p 95, Robards, Joseph *****and Nancy Harris, September 11, 1804 Bondsman: William Harris Bride's mother: Henrietta Harris***************** Teste: Nathaniel and Frederick Harris <_http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?Mercer,Co::robards::134.h tml_ (http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?Mercer,Co::robards::134.html) > Also, there was no response from any Group 6 researcher who claimed any Baker name, so far. Maybe someone can check the Malcolm Harris works for the recipients of the division of the 1500 acres and we can look at them again. Everyone assumes the names belong to Group 6, but with the multiple use of common names, another look is probably needed. Two families with links to Group 8 have an oral tradition that they come from William Harris/Henrietta Baker, and it has to be an earlier Wm Harris than the one who died on the way to Mercer KY as descibed by Malcolm Harris. **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002)

   this info appears to answer part of my question showing that this elk creek and horsepen swamp were the same area.   actually, the patent for william harris, jr in 1725 says that it was on overton fork of elk creek but james overton in 1723 had a patent on the south fork of elk creek adjacent john ragland.   again, this has also said to have been captain william harris/ temperance overton's son, william harris, jr, who obtained this patent:   william harris, junr, of hanover co, va patents 1500 acres in same bounded by land of mrs arnold, george woodroof, the corner being on overton fork of elk creek, march 24, 1725.   also, james overton of hanover co, va patents 400 acres in same on the south fork of elk creek on john raglin's line, 1723.   this info below certainly appears to refer to the same george woodroof/ woodruff and does also show that this elk creek area would have been the same as this horsepen swamp area.   Book A, p. 361-363. 16 Oct 1749  Dabney Pettus of Louisa Co., Planter, and Elizabeth, his wife, to Joseph Bickley of Louisa Co., Gent . £110-1s-3d currt. money.  250 acres; given sd. Pettus by his father, Stephen Pettus by deed 2 May 1745 in Louisa Co…upper side of the Horsepen Swamp, running up the swamp by the water courses…Garland’s corner…Woodress’ corner…crossing Horsepen Swamp to Woodress’ line, now Harris’; part of a tract granted sd. Stephen Pettus by Letters patent 21 Nov 1727. Dabney Pettus, Elizabeth Pettus Wit: Thomas  McCradie, Richard Haggard, David Hambleton, Edward Nelson. 24 Oct 1749 acknowledged by Dabney Pettus. Elizabeth, his wife, declared her consent. This should be Woodruff.... relates to lands of Geo Woodruff who was a neighbor of William Harris , Jr. who got the 1500 acres of land in 1725... (src. CAVALIERS AND PIONEERS by Nugent, Bk. 12) "William Harris Jr. 1500 ac. Hanover adj. Mrs. Arnold and George Woodruff's line on Overtons fork of Elk Creek 24 Mar 1725, pg. 419"   (src. CAVALIERS AND PIONEERS by Nugent, Bk. 17) " George Woodruff 400 ac. Formerly in K. William now Caroline on south side of south fork of South River issuing into the Mattapony 15 Mar 1735/36, pg. 18" http://www.rootsweb .com/~usgenweb/ special/tafq/ tafq2.htm o) George Woodroof - 1719 (src. Executive Journals of the Council of Colonial Virginia (Contributed by Hazel Arnold MacIvor - "2 May 1719 P. 504 On the Petition of James Taylor, Edmond Taylor, Benjamin Arnold and George Woodroff. Leave is granted them to take up in one tract Six Thousand acres of Land in the County of New Kent. This Board being Satisfyed of their ability to cultivate the same according to Law.") (src. CAVALIERS AND PIONEERS by Nugent, Bk. 12) "George Woodroof of K. William Co. 640 ac. In Spots. Co., St. George Parish 24 June 1726, pg. 481" The Arnold Family Question http://www.rootsweb .com/~usgenweb/ special/tafq/ tafq2.htm Plat #: 333 Book: VAPB 12:419 Grantee: Harris, William, Jr , Date: 24-Mar-1725 1500a adj Mrs Arnold & George Woodroof ************ **** Pt 0. corner white oak by a meadow in Arnolds line | Ln s39w; 395p; Woodroofs line | Pt 1. corner corner white oak | Ln n65w; 480p; | Pt 2. white oaks | Ln n5w; 10p; | Pt 3. | Ln n35e; 634p; | Pt 4. Arnolds corner white oak in Overtons Fork of Elk Creek | Ln s29e; 448p; Arnolds line | Pt 5. corner white oak marked with several letters | Ln s75e; 110p; | George Woodroof http://trevilians. com/maps/ plat4.htm# 306 1711 Wm. Harris Land processioned with parties Concernd 9br 26th in presence of William Harris, Rob't. Harris, Stephen Pettis. John Pettis Land processioned with parties Concern'd, 9br 26th in the presence of Wm. Harris, Rob't. Harris, Stephen Pettis. http://ftp.rootsweb .com/pub/ usgenweb/ va/hanover/ misc/vestry. txt   ( so, who is this william harris being processioned here with stephen pettis?     is this william harris, jr or his father, said to have been william harris/ temperance overton.?   in fact, what are the dates for this william harris, jr, said to have married elizabeth burnett and who is said to have been the son of captain thomas harris/ temperance overton?  ) 1727 Plat #: 562 Book: VAPB 13:194 Grantee: Pettus, Stephen , Date: 21-Nov-1727 800a adj Mr Garland, George Woodroof,*** * Cock & Kembrow Ambrose Joshua Smith & James Nuckolls Pt 0. oak on the upper side Horsepen Swamp | Pt 1. corner white oak | Ln s42e; 70p; Garland's line | Pt 2. red oak saplings | Ln s62e; 248p; across two branches | Pt 3. corner several saplings | Ln n32e; 286p; Woodroof's line | Pt 4. corner red oak & other marked trees in Cock & Kembrow's line | Ln n75w; 36p; Cock & Kembrow's line | Pt 5. red oaks | Ln n35e; 169p; Cock & Kembrow's line | Pt 6. & Kembrow's corner two red oaks & a black oak in Ambrose Joshua Smith's line | Ln n75w; 145p; Ambrose Joshua Smith's line | Pt 7. Joshua Smith's & James Nuckoll's corner white oak sapling on a ridge | Ln n75w; 147p; James Nuckoll's line | Pt 8. white oak by a meadow | Ln s39w; 395p; | http://trevilians. com/maps/ plat6.htm# 547 Smith, note Pettus, Stephen grantee 21 November 1727 Hanover County. Description: 800 acres adjoining the lines of Garland, Woodroo***** *f,Smith, Nuckolls, &c. http://freepages. genealogy. rootsweb. com/~dasr/ indexes/land/ valand5.html Book A, p. 182-183. 2 May 1745 Stephen Pettus of St. Martin’s Par., Hanover Co., for fatherly love and affection to my son, Dabney, of Louisa Co. Sd. Stephen Pettus being in perfect memory. 250 acres…at upper side of Horsepen Swamp running up the swamp to Garland’s corner…to Woodress’******* corner on a ridge near the head of a great Glade…to Woodress’ line, now Mr. William Harris’; part of land granted to sd. Stephen Pettus by patent 25 Nov. 1727. Stephen Pettus Wit: Henry Bibb, Charles Bickley, Benja. Bibb, John Carr, Jose. Bickley. 28 May 1745 proved by oaths of Joseph Bickley, Charles Bickley, and Benjamin Bibb.   ( which william harris is this, per this 1745 deed?  is it the william harris, jr, said to have married elizabeth burnett or his son, william harris, said to have married henrietta baker?   again,  how is it known that william harris, jr, who obtained these 1500 acres,  had married elizabeth burnett and are there deeds for him? ) Plat #: 567 Book: VAPB 13:411 Grantee: Yancey, Charles , Date: 27-Sep-1729 448a between the lines of John Garland, Edward Garland deceased Pt 0. Pettus's corner four small red oaks in John Garland's line | Ln s42e; 154p; John Garland's line | Pt 1. | Ln s62e; 94p; John Garland's line | Pt 2. Garland's & Edward Garland's corner white oak | Ln s28e; 82p; Edward Garland's line | Pt 3. white oak | Ln s6e; 76p; Edward Garland's line | Pt 4. oak near Cabbing Branch (Cabin?) | Ln s38e; 172p; Edward Garland's line | Pt 5. Garland's & Samuel Saxon's corner white oak on the Little River | Ln n10e; 68p; Samuel Saxon's line | Pt 6. | Ln s89e; 98p; Samuel Saxon's line | Pt 7. Brown's corner smt in Samuel Saxon's line | Ln n49e; 192p; Benjamin Brown's line | Pt 8. pines in Benjamin Brown's line | Ln w; 59p; | Pt 9. Woodroof's ****corner two red oak saplings between two white oaks | Ln n65w; 594p; Woodroof's & Pettus's lines | http://trevilians. com/maps/ plat6.htm# 547   belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8-------26910

 again, the deed wherein william harris, wife, henrietta, sold to martin baker is referred to as being in this horsepen swamp area and here is other info referring to this same area.   Book: A, Page: 0, Grantor: Archelaus Yancey, Grantee: Samuel Dodman, Date: 16-Jun-1749 Archelaus Yancey of St. Martin's Par., Louisa Co., to Samuel Dodman of same . Lb. 16 currt. money. 80 acres in St. Martin's Par. adjoining land whereon said Archelaus now lives...on the lower Horsepen branch...up same to the mouth of a Branch...Joseph Bickley's line...said Yancey's line. Sig. Archelaus Yancey. Wit: Thomas Paulet, Richard Bullock, John Longan, John Bickley.. 25 Jul 1749 Acknowledged by Archelaus Yancey. Mary, his wife, relinquished right of dower. Book: A, Page: 0, Grantor: John Morris, Grantee: Archelaus Yancey, Date: 14-Mar-1742 (1743) John Morris of St. Martin's Par., Louisa Co., to Archelaus Yancey of same. Lb. 12 currt. money. 80 acres on upper side of a branch of Little River called Horsepen Swamp in afsd. Parish...Archelaus Yancey's line on the Horsepin Swamp... up the branch to Joseph Bickley's line. Sig. John Morris. Wit: Math. Jouet, James Goodall, Benja. Henson. 14 Mar 1742 (1743) Acknowledged by John Morris. VASPOTSY-L Archives Archiver > VASPOTSY > 2006-02 > 1139014055 From: [email protected] Subject: Here is a location of Horsepen Swamp [Louisa Co., Va] Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:47:35 EST Book: M, Page: 692, Grantor: William Cooke, Grantee: James C. Dickenson, Date: 13-May-1816 William Cooke of Louisa to James C. Dickenson of same $40 for tract in Louisa on S side main road leading from Louisa Courthouse to Hanover town on both sides Horsepen Swamp adj. Mrs. Baker, James C. Dickenson, Mrs. Tolers, containing 4 acres and 28 poles. Sig. William Cooke. Book: M, Page: 692, Grantor: William Cooke, Grantee: James C. Dickenson, Date: 13-May-1816 William Cooke of Louisa to James C. Dickenson of same $40 for tract in Louisa on S side main road leading from Louisa Courthouse to Hanover town on both sides Horsepen Swamp adj. Mrs. Baker, James C. Dickenson, Mrs. Tolers, containing 4 acres and 28 poles. Sig. William Cooke. Book: M, Page: 692, Grantor: William Cooke, Grantee: James C. Richardson, Date: 13-May-1816 William Cooke to James C. Richardson all of Louisa $40 tract on south side main Road leading from Louisa Courthouse to Hanover Town on both sides of Horse Pen Swamp adjoining Mrs. Baker, sd. Dickenson, Mrs. Toler containing 4 acres and 28 poles. Sig. Wm. Cooke. No wit. Rec. 13 May 1816. Book: M, Page: 693, Grantor: James C. Dickenson and Mary his wife, Grantee: William Cooke, Date: 13-May-1816 James C. Dickenson and Mary his wife of Louisa to William Cooke of same $561 for tract in Louisa on both sides main road from Courthouse to Hanover Town adj. William Cooke, David Hall, Sarah Gunnell, David Bullock containing 187 acres. Sig. James C. Dickenson and Mary Dickenson. Wit. Christopher Tompkins. belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8-------26910

hi   i already sent this post but it does not appear to have shown up.  so, i apologize if it gets posted twice.   recently this deed re william harris/ henrietta has been discussed.    as i went back and reviewed, i noted that it had been discussed in the past and this same deed posted a number of times, including the following post by e.w., which gives a lot more info per this deed.   i have both some questions and some comments.   as shown, per this deed re william harris/ henrietta, it states that it was part of the 1500 acres which was a patent to this william harris'/ henrietta father.   the only william harris i know who had a patent for 1500 acres in 1725 is stated to have been the william harris, jr, said to have been the son of captain william harris/ temperance overton.   that patent for 1500 acres is described as being on elk creek adjacent james overton.  this patent here is described as being on the north fork of little river at the mouth of horsepen swamp.   so, are these different descriptions for the same patent?   how is it known that this william harris' wife, henrietta was a baker?  is there a marriage record or some other info stating or showing this?   also, how is it known that the william harris, jr, who obtained this patent for 1500 acres in 1725 was married to elizabeth burnett?  again, is there some record of this?   are there any actual deeds for this william harris/ elizabeth burnett?   again, the following version of this same deed which pat posted and discussed recently had been posted earlier by e. w. :    She indicates her source is a deed in Louisa Co., VA. She abstracts Louisa Co., VA DB 2-298, 24 Apr 1759. A fuller abstract of this deed is found in a later-published book of Louisa Co., deeds. I will copy it here for the use of other Harris-Hunters. (Please cite the sources if you use this material.) [Louisa Co., VA DB B-298-300] 24 Apr 1759 William Harris of Fredericksville Par., Louisa Co., and Hennerittah, his wife, to Martin Baker of St. Martin's Par., Hanover 325 pds currt. money. 350 acres in Fredericksville Par; part of a tract of 1,500 acres granted by patent 24 Mar 1725 to one William Harris by records of Williamsburg and by sd. Harris, who was the father of sd. William Harris, gave unto his son in his Last Will and Testament recorded in Hanover Co. Land lyeth on north fork of the Little River ... at the mouth of Horsepen Swamp, up sd. Swamp to Benjamin Bibb's line ... near the head of the old mill pon(d) crossing the River south. Wm. Harris Henrita Harris Wit: David Smith, Thos. Rice., Jos Goodman. 24 Apr 1759 acknowledged by William Harris and Renrita, his wife who declared her consent. (Rosalie Edith Davis, LOUISA COUNTY, VIRGINIA DEED BOOKS A AND B, 1742-1759 [Bellingham, WA: Published by author, 1976], p. 142) belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8--------26910

This may be of interest to you -- some old transcribed issues of William and Mary Quarterly beginning 1893. _http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/special/wmmaryqtr/index.htm_ (http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/special/wmmaryqtr/index.htm) It seems each quarterly which has been transcribed has an index [last column]. On page 194 of the first listed issue, I found with the help of the index and with my *find* button, a Robert Harris, who apparently was a clerk, perhaps of the House of Burgesses. I did not read too carefully. (I rejected the fact that he might be linked to my Harris family of the Pamunkey River area, Hanover Co. and so on down the line!!!) You never know where your ancestor may turn up!!! These people were pioneers--and migrating ones, at that!!! E.W.Wallace **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002)

recently this deed re william harris/ henrietta has been discussed and as i went back and reviewed, i noted that it had been discussed in the past and this same deed posted a number of times, including the following post by e.w., which gives a lot more info per this deed.   i have both some questions and some comments.   as shown, per this deed re william harris/ henrietta, it states that it was part of the 1500 acres which was a patent to this william harris'/ henrietta father.   the only william harris i know who had a patent for 1500 acres in 1725 is stated to have been the william harris, jr, said to have been the son of captain william harris/ temperance overton.   that patent for 1500 acres is described as being on elk creek adjacent james overton.  this patent here is described as being on the north fork of little river at the mouth of horsepen swamp.   so, are these different descriptions for the same patent?   how is it known that this william harris' wife, henrietta was a baker?  is there a marriage record or some other info stating or showing this?   also, how is it known that the william harris, jr, who obtained this patent for 1500 acres in 1725 was married to elizabeth burnett?  again, is there some record of this?   are there any actual deeds for this william harris/ elizabeth burnett?   again, the following version of this same deed which pat posted and discussed recently had been posted earlier by e. w. :    She indicates her source is a deed in Louisa Co., VA. She abstracts Louisa Co., VA DB 2-298, 24 Apr 1759. A fuller abstract of this deed is found in a later-published book of Louisa Co., deeds. I will copy it here for the use of other Harris-Hunters. (Please cite the sources if you use this material.) [Louisa Co., VA DB B-298-300] 24 Apr 1759 William Harris of Fredericksville Par., Louisa Co., and Hennerittah, his wife, to Martin Baker of St. Martin's Par., Hanover 325 pds currt. money. 350 acres in Fredericksville Par; part of a tract of 1,500 acres granted by patent 24 Mar 1725 to one William Harris by records of Williamsburg and by sd. Harris, who was the father of sd. William Harris, gave unto his son in his Last Will and Testament recorded in Hanover Co. Land lyeth on north fork of the Little River ... at the mouth of Horsepen Swamp, up sd. Swamp to Benjamin Bibb's line ... near the head of the old mill pon(d) crossing the River south. Wm. Harris Henrita Harris Wit: David Smith, Thos. Rice., Jos Goodman. 24 Apr 1759 acknowledged by William Harris and Renrita, his wife who declared her consent. (Rosalie Edith Davis, LOUISA COUNTY, VIRGINIA DEED BOOKS A AND B, 1742-1759 [Bellingham, WA: Published by author, 1976], p. 142) belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8--------26910

Please forward this information to others whom you think may be interested in learning more about Virginia ancestors. This refers particularly to Dabney Papers. (One lecturer of North Carolina states that most early North Carolinians came from Virginia because entry from the Atlantic was too dangerous. Later North Carollians came from everywhere!!! Including some of my Moravian folk from New York, Pennsylvania, and probably Maryland to Western North Carolina And, of course, the Boones came from Pennsylvania;. and Scotsmen to Cape Fear country, near Wilmington. Dabneys of colonial Hanover Co. VA and adjacent counties married into the colonial Harris family of the Pamunkey area of Hanover Co., and later of Louisa and Albemarle Co., VA and still later, some members in Madison Co., KY. A friend in Virginia told me in part how to navigate parts of the LVA website--other than looking at the Land Patents and Grants and the recently completed Chancery records. On the opening screen of the LVA website at _www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave_ (http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave) Remove punctuation fore and aft which I am told AOL adds to such a link. on the left side of the screen, near the bottom, is a link called Site Index. Click on that link. There is an alphabetical index, mostly of proper surnames names. Go down to the D list for Dabney, of course. (Gee, I had better check the H for Harris--and for many other Virginia surnames which I research--some in counties where large chunks of records are missing.) As an added note about Virginia research. Incidentally, if you ever have the opportunity to research in Richmond, VA, take a taxi to the Virginia Historical Society, out near the art museum on Broad St. This is a private institution, and, if you are NOT a member, you have to pay a daily fee. Besides, the photocopying is rather costly, but if you find a gem, it's worth it to pay the fee. I am told that many county records which may have been tossed out by county clerks have been donated to the VHS. The card catalog, when I was there a number of years, takes a whole day or more to examine. There is much cross-indexing. No doubt, there is something there to entice the true genealogist. This is a time-eating adventure!!! Better count on several days! I found VHS had large boxes, nay, cartloads, of records of Virginia genealogists such as Judge Leon Bazile, George Harrison King [there is another name in there somewhere]!! My English friend, whomn I met on the steps while we were waiting for the opening,k was researching for more information about John Rolfe [husband of Pocahontas [sp?]. She has named her dog Rolfe. Anyway, you may find some indexing of the Dabney file at LVA of interest to you, if you are descended from that family. Many colonial families are linked to the Dabney family--Winston, for one. E.W.Wallace desc. of Christopher Harris whose first wife was Mary Dabney but whose second wife was Agnes McCord **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002)