That looks like the family of William Overton Harris 1753-1802 and Diana Chisman Goodwin. For your information: Hanover Co. Chancery Wills & Notes, by Wm Ronald Cocke, III, 1940 p 126/127 Surnames involved: Beadles Cooke Cosby Mills Garrett Cragwell/Craghall Kean Priddy Places: Nashville, TN Charlotte, NC Albemarle Co. VA Richmond, VA Petersburg, VA New Kent Co., VA Greene Co., VA Stafford Co., VA Goochland Co., VA Charlotte Co., VA Frances G. Taliaferro, of Hanover, will dated 2 May 1849, probated 28 June 1860. George W. Cosby and William O. Winston (now dec'd) qualified as Executors. No mention is made of hr husband. She devised her property to brothers and sisters, and their children. John G. Harris, a brother, died without issue in 1873. Roy Temple was his representative William O. Harris, a brother, who had issue: 1. Owen R. Harris 2. William O. Harris, of Nashville, Tenn., in 1863 3. Temple Overton Harris, of Nashville, Tenn., in 1863 4. Dennis B. Harris, of Nashville, Tenn., in 1863 5. Ellen, widow in 1873, of William Joseph Cragwell. (also called Craghall) 6. Frederick B. Harris, of Nashville, Tenn., in 1863 7. Benjamin B. Harris, died without issue prior to 1863. 8. Thomas H. Harris, died prior to 2 May 1849, survived by his widow Elizabeth F. (Betty) and two infant children in 1863 and 1874, living in Charlotte, N.C. 1. Kate H. Harris, a minor 2. Lucy R. Harris, a minor 9. Caroline E., wife of C. L. Garrett in 1874. 10. Fannie E. Harris, who is non compos mentis. 11. Lucy A., wife in 1874, of Napoleon B. Kean, of Goochland County. 12. Kate, married A. J. Johnson, who survived her, but is now, 1874, deceased, and their children are no known. They were residents of Charltotte Co., Va. Mary G., a sister, widow of a Mr. Cosby, died prior to 1874. J. A. Wingfield, Sheriff of Hanover County, her personal representative. She had issue: 1. William H. Cosby, of Albemarle County in 1863. Thos. F. Michie, assignee 2. John W. Cosby, a resident of Richmond, Va, in 1863, died prior to 1874. 3. Benjamin Franklin Cosby, of Petersburg, Va., in 1863. 4. George W. Cosby 5. James J. Cosby, of Richmond, Va., in 1863 6. Melvina D., married John G. Cooke of Stafford County, Va., and died intestate prior to 1863, survived by her husband and eight infant children of whom he is guardian: 1. Philip St. George Cooke 2. Mary G. Cooke 3. Elizabeth Cooke 4. Sally B. Cooke 5. John G. Cooke 6. William H. Cooke 7. George W. Cooke 8. Lettie Cooke 7. Elizabeth F., widow of Andrew F. Beadles Dianna Beadles, a legatee of Frances G. Taliaferro, no stated to be a sister, alive in 1874, when her children are: 1. James E. Beadles, of Hanover County 2. John W. Beadles, Tunstall P.O., New Kent 3. Susan E. Beadles, Tunstall P.O., New Kent 4. Andrew J. Beadles, Tunstall P.O., New Kent 5. Roberta Ann, a minor in 1863, married prior to 1874. M. D. L. Runkle and are residents of Greene County, Va. Frances E., a sister of Frances G. Taliaferro, married John Mills, and died prior to Mrs. Taliaferro. In 1863, John Mills was a resident of Goochland County, and their children were: 1. Nathaniel Mills 2. Lucy F. Mills 3. William H. Mills 4. James L. Mills 5. Annie E. Mills. 6. M. J. Mills John T. Harris, Trustee, a resident of New Kent County in 1863. Mentioned in Mrs. Taliaferro's will. Others mentioned: Joseph F. Priddy, who was assigned as Guardian of the infants Lucy R., and Cate H. Harris, and Roberta Beadles. HH Carol Barron **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010)

For your information: Hanover Co. Chancery Wills & Notes, by Wm Ronald Cocke, III, 1940 p 126/127 Surnames involved: Beadles Cooke Cosby Mills Garrett Cragwell/Craghall Kean Priddy Places: Nashville, TN Charlotte, NC Albemarle Co. VA Richmond, VA Petersburg, VA New Kent Co., VA Greene Co., VA Stafford Co., VA Goochland Co., VA Charlotte Co., VA Frances G. Taliaferro, of Hanover, will dated 2 May 1849, probated 28 June 1860. George W. Cosby and William O. Winston (now dec'd) qualified as Executors. No mention is made of hr husband. She devised her property to brothers and sisters, and their children. John G. Harris, a brother, died without issue in 1873. Roy Temple was his representative William O. Harris, a brother, who had issue: 1. Owen R. Harris 2. William O. Harris, of Nashville, Tenn., in 1863 3. Temple Overton Harris, of Nashville, Tenn., in 1863 4. Dennis B. Harris, of Nashville, Tenn., in 1863 5. Ellen, widow in 1873, of William Joseph Cragwell. (also called Craghall) 6. Frederick B. Harris, of Nashville, Tenn., in 1863 7. Benjamin B. Harris, died without issue prior to 1863. 8. Thomas H. Harris, died prior to 2 May 1849, survived by his widow Elizabeth F. (Betty) and two infant children in 1863 and 1874, living in Charlotte, N.C. 1. Kate H. Harris, a minor 2. Lucy R. Harris, a minor 9. Caroline E., wife of C. L. Garrett in 1874. 10. Fannie E. Harris, who is non compos mentis. 11. Lucy A., wife in 1874, of Napoleon B. Kean, of Goochland County. 12. Kate, married A. J. Johnson, who survived her, but is now, 1874, deceased, and their children are no known. They were residents of Charltotte Co., Va. Mary G., a sister, widow of a Mr. Cosby, died prior to 1874. J. A. Wingfield, Sheriff of Hanover County, her personal representative. She had issue: 1. William H. Cosby, of Albemarle County in 1863. Thos. F. Michie, assignee 2. John W. Cosby, a resident of Richmond, Va, in 1863, died prior to 1874. 3. Benjamin Franklin Cosby, of Petersburg, Va., in 1863. 4. George W. Cosby 5. James J. Cosby, of Richmond, Va., in 1863 6. Melvina D., married John G. Cooke of Stafford County, Va., and died intestate prior to 1863, survived by her husband and eight infant children of whom he is guardian: 1. Philip St. George Cooke 2. Mary G. Cooke 3. Elizabeth Cooke 4. Sally B. Cooke 5. John G. Cooke 6. William H. Cooke 7. George W. Cooke 8. Lettie Cooke 7. Elizabeth F., widow of Andrew F. Beadles Dianna Beadles, a legatee of Frances G. Taliaferro, no stated to be a sister, alive in 1874, when her children are: 1. James E. Beadles, of Hanover County 2. John W. Beadles, Tunstall P.O., New Kent 3. Susan E. Beadles, Tunstall P.O., New Kent 4. Andrew J. Beadles, Tunstall P.O., New Kent 5. Roberta Ann, a minor in 1863, married prior to 1874. M. D. L. Runkle and are residents of Greene County, Va. Frances E., a sister of Frances G. Taliaferro, married John Mills, and died prior to Mrs. Taliaferro. In 1863, John Mills was a resident of Goochland County, and their children were: 1. Nathaniel Mills 2. Lucy F. Mills 3. William H. Mills 4. James L. Mills 5. Annie E. Mills. 6. M. J. Mills John T. Harris, Trustee, a resident of New Kent County in 1863. Mentioned in Mrs. Taliaferro's will. Others mentioned: Joseph F. Priddy, who was assigned as Guardian of the infants Lucy R., and Cate H. Harris, and Roberta Beadles. ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the satellite television package that meets your needs. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2MVWzEMNCLGU4FImahHGi7PzJ9MC4X99kCNsu2tg6UsshXo/

See subject above. Thomson Harris 2 white polls - 0 black polls Source: William Perry Johnson, compiler - 1755 Tax List of Orange County, North Carolina (I believe this was published some years ago in a journal called The North Carolinian. I was a beginner and did not copy the whole source) There is a will for a Thompson Harris in Guilford Co., dated 1775 in will book A/152, original at State Archives in NC. Source: Thornton W. Mitchell, North Carolina Wills: A Testator Index, 1665-1900, corrected and revised edition [Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1992, second printing 1993] A little backgrond Helen Leary, a well-known lecturer, genealogist, editor, etc. indicated in a long-ago lecture at a NGS conference in Richmond, Virginia that many North Carolinians came from Virginia. Johnson indicates that Orange County as formed in 1752 from parts of Bladen, Granville and Johnston Cos., NC. Johnson notes that his source is File No. T.O. 105.1, State Department of Archives and History, Raleigh, NC. Prior to 1770, Orange Co. took in all of the present-day counties of Orange, Caswell, Person, Alamance, Chatham, most of Durham, small parts of Wake and Lee, and the eastern third of Rockingham,Guilford and Randolph. (Source: Johnson) These changing county boundaries are what keep us genealogists looking into the records of MANY counties, and if the county bordered another State, as did North Carolina, then we have to look across the State lines!!! Example: I study a man named Robert Williams of early Pittsylvania Co., VA. He married his Granville Co. NC's cousin's young widow Sarah Williams nee Lanier. But both these partners had relatives just across the State line in North Carolina. Watch where that county is located. Study the adjoining counties, especially if the creek or river is in both or many counties!!! E.W.Wallace I **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010)

good research has been and is always going to be needed in our genealogical research.    the dna has provided us, however, with an additional, incredible tool.   again, good research and our dna go hand in hand and we still need good and reliable paper trails, as we say.    our dna is, however, going to be the final say so and gives us the confirmation, which, again, bespeaks the importance of having ones dna done.   again, as rich says, our harris dna does not tell us our exact harris line and family is but it does tell us absolutely and does absolutely confirm which harris line and family we are part of.     this is in itself, given the number of harris families and lines we do have, is such valuable and incredible info to know and to have.   again, in regard to my own research and after many years of my doing research, i knew  what my research definitely showed and indicated that we were part of the captain thomas harris harris line and family but i needed the dna to confirm this.   my problem was, however, that in the past no one had ever written anything about my william harris, jr of laurens co, sc, etc, or his father my william harris, sr/ frances goode of lunenburg co, va.   i have a paper trail.  it is not as neatly tied up or shown as some of you may have but i think my "trail" and my experience in my research are probably a lot more "kin" to that of others and, again, this is why getting the dna done is just so  important.   so, i also hope that if you are a harris and/ or know someone who is that you will take the opportunity of the holiday special to have your harris dna done.   i also hope all of you have a joyful holiday season with your own families and loved ones.   sincerely,   belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8-------26910            

Hello I think most of us realize that we can't prove who our ancestors were using DNA. But we may find out what Harris line we are from AND what Harris line we are not. Someone should tell those scoffers what we expect DNA to tell us. In my personal experience I know a few couples who have a child not fathered by the husband and no one knows but the mother. Do you realize what that will do to a DNA result? If you study history, especially royalty, most Kings/Rulers have children by a maidservent or other clandestine affair. This can really mess up a lineage when using DNA. Then you have all those adopted people many of whom are never told they are adopted. Things like that really throw the DNA lines akilter. Rich Boyd [email protected] wrote: > Well, Francis, I can empathize with you. > > I have been reading about DNA -- for males -- for years--the pros and cons, > Some geneticists scoff at our trying to prove our lineage with DNA. >

Well, Francis, I can empathize with you. I have been reading about DNA -- for males -- for years--the pros and cons, I also have been posting a lot, because after almost 3 decades of research, I find a lot of garbage on the internet. I have been brought up on books and microfilm, and some of the evidence that is produced in not well researched. Some geneticists scoff at our trying to prove our lineage with DNA. Since my Harris connection is through a female, and since t am the granddaughter of a woman born in Kent, England, who was the daughter of an English woman born in Suffolk and the granddaughter of another English woman, probably born in Suffolk, I am very reticent about making any statement about DNA connections!!! My research of many years indicates I am of the line of Robert Harris, surveyor of colonial Louisa Co. VA and his wife Mourning [probably Glen]. Robert is supposed to be a son of William Harris and Temperance Overton of Hanover Co., where many of the records were burned in the evacuation fire of Civil War era Richmond, Virginia. If that places me in a DNA group, so be it. It will be someone else's error, if that turns out to be a mistake. I don't think DNA testing is going to replace HARD research!!! Even when my historian cousin tries to point me the wrong way!!! E.W.Wallace In a message dated 12/12/2008 12:11:07 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Today's Topics: 1. Dna Group (Francis Harris) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 06:23:23 -0500 From: "Francis Harris" <[email protected]> Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Dna Group To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I wish the ones that do these post would state their DNA group. Thanks F.Harris ------------------------------ To contact the HARRIS-HUNTERS list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the HARRIS-HUNTERS mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of HARRIS-HUNTERS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 318 ********************************************** **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010)

If you are looking for that special gift,this is just a reminder that if you have been wanting to test a male Harris relative, holiday savings are in effect until December 31 with FTDNA. (FamilyTree) You could give the gift of history and one that will keep on giving to other Harrises for a very long time. Anyone who wants information, please write me. Happy Holidays! Pat Harris patclare at AOL.com **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010)

I have in my files the following: Anna Harris, daughter of James and Mary Harris Harris was married to Wm Dabney and 2nd to Anthony Hayden. I can only figure that the Lucy Dabney mention here was the daughter of Anna Harris Dabney Hayden (Haden) I have no dates or anything else in my files. In my files I have also: The children of James Harris of Albermarle, VA: Anna Haden see above Lucy Dabney see above Thomas Harris nfi Joel Harris b 25 April 1761 d 31 March 1826 m Ann Waller Mourning married Cornelius Maupin Sarah m James Harrison James Harris m Mary McColloch Suzanna m Nicholas Burnley Nathan b 1771 d 1852 m Ann Alan Anderson I hope this helps but I have no further information Peggy in CA, Harris descendant from Capt William Harris/Mary Hudson In a message dated 12/10/2008 8:38:49 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Dear Researchers, I sent a message a day or so ago concerning the abstracted will of one James Harris of Albemarle Co. VA dated 25 Feb 1792. I have a reply from a non-subscriber concerning the connection with the Dabney family. (See the rootsweb archives of 12/9/08 for Louisa Co., Albemarle Co., MadKY, and Harris-Hunters for my message.) If you have any inkling that any of your ancestors may have been of pre-Revolutionary [or post-Revolutionary, for that matter] Louisa and Albemarle Cos., VA, you may want to stash these notes away for future reference. Many of these families were intermarried--for generations--and in different parts of the country!!! Here is what my correspondent wrote--which contradicts my statement about the granddaughter of James Harris (wife Mary Harris, daughter of Major Robert Harris, surveyor of Louisa Co.). I am not on your mail list, but perhaps you would forward this. The granddaughter of James Harris, Lucy Dabney, was the daughter of Anna Haden by her first husband, William Dabney. Anna married Anthony Haden, 21 Dec 1787. She was his third wife. Two of Anna & Anthony's sons were named Nathan & Joel for two of her brothers. Their remaining son was named William Dabney Haden. Here's an old post from a newslist: From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:57:28 EST Subject: Lucy Harris Dabney Lucy was B 5 Sep 1779 in VA, M 3 Apr 1801 in Campbell Co VA to John Morris Smithson. Their son was William Dabney Smithson B 14 Feb or Mar 1802 in Campbell Co VA and D 22 Mar 1874 in Winchester, Scott Co IL. Their son was Nathan Haden Smithson B 7 Jun 1834 and he was my great grandfather. If you are interested in the Smithsons there is a lot of info on the web. Pauline Witten Jefferson When Lucy Dabney married in Campbell Co VA, and the Haden book says she married 3 Apr 1808 rather than 1801 and I've not checked to see which is correct, Anthony Haden wrote a note to the clerk that Lucy was of age. John Haden of Virginia, His Parents, and Some of His Descendants, by Dorothy K. Haden, Adams Press, Chicago, 1968 Regards, Kay Haden My additional comment: If any of you subscribe to a genealogical website which involves the Dabneys, will you consider sharing this information [copying and pasting in toto] with that website. As one of the compilers of the online genealogical database called HeritageQuest said in a recent lecture: You must SHARE if you are going to really learn about your family. Just don't give too much personal information about yourself or your living family--at least in the beginning. I am amazed that genealogists still do this!!! E.W.Wallace a collector of Harrises of early Louisa and Albemarle Co.s--and when I am lucky, of Hanover Co.!!! **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0000001 0) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. The NEW AOL.com.(http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000019)

I wish the ones that do these post would state their DNA group. Thanks F.Harris

Dear Researchers, I sent a message a day or so ago concerning the abstracted will of one James Harris of Albemarle Co. VA dated 25 Feb 1792. I have a reply from a non-subscriber concerning the connection with the Dabney family. (See the rootsweb archives of 12/9/08 for Louisa Co., Albemarle Co., MadKY, and Harris-Hunters for my message.) If you have any inkling that any of your ancestors may have been of pre-Revolutionary [or post-Revolutionary, for that matter] Louisa and Albemarle Cos., VA, you may want to stash these notes away for future reference. Many of these families were intermarried--for generations--and in different parts of the country!!! Here is what my correspondent wrote--which contradicts my statement about the granddaughter of James Harris (wife Mary Harris, daughter of Major Robert Harris, surveyor of Louisa Co.). I am not on your mail list, but perhaps you would forward this. The granddaughter of James Harris, Lucy Dabney, was the daughter of Anna Haden by her first husband, William Dabney. Anna married Anthony Haden, 21 Dec 1787. She was his third wife. Two of Anna & Anthony's sons were named Nathan & Joel for two of her brothers. Their remaining son was named William Dabney Haden. Here's an old post from a newslist: From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:57:28 EST Subject: Lucy Harris Dabney Lucy was B 5 Sep 1779 in VA, M 3 Apr 1801 in Campbell Co VA to John Morris Smithson. Their son was William Dabney Smithson B 14 Feb or Mar 1802 in Campbell Co VA and D 22 Mar 1874 in Winchester, Scott Co IL. Their son was Nathan Haden Smithson B 7 Jun 1834 and he was my great grandfather. If you are interested in the Smithsons there is a lot of info on the web. Pauline Witten Jefferson When Lucy Dabney married in Campbell Co VA, and the Haden book says she married 3 Apr 1808 rather than 1801 and I've not checked to see which is correct, Anthony Haden wrote a note to the clerk that Lucy was of age. John Haden of Virginia, His Parents, and Some of His Descendants, by Dorothy K. Haden, Adams Press, Chicago, 1968 Regards, Kay Haden My additional comment: If any of you subscribe to a genealogical website which involves the Dabneys, will you consider sharing this information [copying and pasting in toto] with that website. As one of the compilers of the online genealogical database called HeritageQuest said in a recent lecture: You must SHARE if you are going to really learn about your family. Just don't give too much personal information about yourself or your living family--at least in the beginning. I am amazed that genealogists still do this!!! E.W.Wallace a collector of Harrises of early Louisa and Albemarle Co.s--and when I am lucky, of Hanover Co.!!! **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010)

This is information from microfilm in the Genealogy Library in Leesburg, VA. TITHE TABLES 1758-1786 1758 William Harris 1 David Harris 1 John Harris 1 1760 Samuel Harris Jr 1 David Harris 1 John Harris 1 Joseph Harris 1 1761 Samuel Harris Jr 1 1762 Samuel Harris Jr 1 1765 Samuel Harris 1 William Harris, Wm Harris 2 1769 Samuel Harris, Thos Harris 2 1772 Jesse Harris, Samuel Coombs, William Cryer, Robert Campbell 4 1773 Jesey Harris, Samuel Combs, Robert Campbell 3 1774 Jesse Harris, Samuel Coombs 2 1775 Jesse Harris, Samuel Coombs 2 1777 Jesse Harris, George Nixon, William Nixon 3 1780 Thomas Harris, William Harris, William Dewer, James Perry 4 1781 Thomas Harris, William Harris, James Berry 3 1782 Jesse Harris 1 PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX AFTER 1786 1787 Jessee Harris self 178? Jesse Harris 150 acres, 6.1/ acre; L45 12 6 value of land; 13 87 amount of tax LOUDOUN COUNTY VIRGINIA RENT ROLLS 1761 Samuel Harris William Harris David Harris In October, 1776, Quaker records show Jesse Harris married a non-member of the Hopewell Friends Meeting. March 29, 1777 Jesse Harris resigns membership; acc & released. If anyone has any information on this Jesse Harris and especially who he married, I would appreciate anything you can give me. I am trying to rule him in (or out) as my Jesse Harris. Peggy (Harris) Johnson

Hi,  I descend from this Harris group also but I have had trouble in determing which son of Samuel Harris, SR and his wife Esther my David descends from. I hadn't heard of Jessee before.   My David Harris was born 1760-1769 in Loudoun Co., Va. He married Elizabeth :Martha" Hardy dau of Solomon Hardy and wife Martha unknow. David moved to Bedford Co., Va and on to Warren and Allen Co., Ky where David died and left his will in 1842.   Samuel Harris, SR and Esther his wife were in records in 1740 in Prince William Co., Va. Fairfax County was formed from it and then Loudoun from that.   Best Wishes, Marianne Dillow --- On Wed, 12/10/08, Dick & Peggy Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: From: Dick & Peggy Johnson <[email protected]> Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Harris in Loudoun County, VA To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 11:11 AM This is information from microfilm in the Genealogy Library in Leesburg, VA. TITHE TABLES 1758-1786 1758 William Harris 1 David Harris 1 John Harris 1 1760 Samuel Harris Jr 1 David Harris 1 John Harris 1 Joseph Harris 1 1761 Samuel Harris Jr 1 1762 Samuel Harris Jr 1 1765 Samuel Harris 1 William Harris, Wm Harris 2 1769 Samuel Harris, Thos Harris 2 1772 Jesse Harris, Samuel Coombs, William Cryer, Robert Campbell 4 1773 Jesey Harris, Samuel Combs, Robert Campbell 3 1774 Jesse Harris, Samuel Coombs 2 1775 Jesse Harris, Samuel Coombs 2 1777 Jesse Harris, George Nixon, William Nixon 3 1780 Thomas Harris, William Harris, William Dewer, James Perry 4 1781 Thomas Harris, William Harris, James Berry 3 1782 Jesse Harris 1 PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX AFTER 1786 1787 Jessee Harris self 178? Jesse Harris 150 acres, 6.1/ acre; L45 12 6 value of land; 13 87 amount of tax LOUDOUN COUNTY VIRGINIA RENT ROLLS 1761 Samuel Harris William Harris David Harris In October, 1776, Quaker records show Jesse Harris married a non-member of the Hopewell Friends Meeting. March 29, 1777 Jesse Harris resigns membership; acc & released. If anyone has any information on this Jesse Harris and especially who he married, I would appreciate anything you can give me. I am trying to rule him in (or out) as my Jesse Harris. Peggy (Harris) Johnson

Dear Harris-Hunters, and other interested parties: A good friend who tells me she has a good many films of deeds of Madison Co., KY sent me the following: Found in Madison Co KY Deed Bk D, page 561: Joel Harris of Albemarle Co Virginia, constitute John Harris, Daniel Maupin, James Berry all of them of Madison Co KY, to be my lawful attorneys in my name to demand, recover ad receive by all lawful ways and means whatsover, all such debts and business of any kind such as securing and dividing and releasing of land and receiving, paying and demanding doing all business that may acrew before them the above named John Harris, Daniel Maupin and James Berry in the State of Kentucky...... 6 Dec 1798. s/Joel Harris. Wits Robert Rodes, John Miller, Will. Kerby, Robert Miller.... At Court of Quarter session held for Madison Co on 5 Feb 1799, this Power of Atorney was proved to be the act and deed of Joel Harris by oath of John Miller, Robert Rodes, William Kearby witnesses thereto and ordered recorded.... [end of her message] My added comments: Coincidentally, I picked up yesterday an unfiled photocopy of pages of a book [title below] about the Dabney Family and some Albemarle County VA records. The second paragraph is a longish transcription of the will of James Harris of Albemarle Co.,VA dated 1792. Joel Harris is one of James's sons. James Harris of Albemarle Co. names his wife Mary Harris. Mary, as far as the research of many of us is concerned is the daughter of Robert Harris, surveyor of Louisa Co. and a sometime resident of Albemarle Co. Thus Mary Harris, the mother of Joel, is a sister of Christopher Harris, the elder, of early Madison Co., KY. According to the will of James Harris, these are his children. Anna Haden Granddaughter Lucy Dabney [apparently her mother, who must be a Harris, is deceased] Thomas Harris Joel Harris Mourning Maupin Sarah Harris [later the abstract shows her surname as Harrison--and this is in italics] James Harris Susanna Burnley Nathan Harris Where can one find this abstracted [not a transcription of the original]? You can find them in one of the volumes of Valentine, Edward Pleasants The Edward Pleasants Valentine papers: abstracts of records in the local and general archives of Virginia relating to the families of Allen, Bacon, Bal lard, Batchelder, Blouet, Brassieur (Brashear), Cary, Crenshaw, Dabney, Exum, Ferris, Fontaine, Gray, Hardy, Isham (Henrico County), Jordan, Langston, Lyddall, Mann, Mosby, Palmer, Passteur, Pleasants, Povall, Randolph,Satterwhite, Scott, Smith (the family of Francis Smith of Hanover County), Valentine, Waddy, Watts, Winston, Womack, Woodson. Baltimore: Genealogical Pub. Co., 1979. 2784 pgs. If you have access through your local library or your State Library to the online genealogical database called HeritageQuest, you will find this hefty work. I have copied and pasted from the listing which my public Library has, but the formatting may be quite confused--different computer language, it seems. Valentine, Edward Pleasants, [_View Hits_ (http://persi.heritagequestonline.com.ezproxy.lapl.org/hqoweb/library/do/books/results/fullcitation?urn=urn:proqu est:US;glhbooks;Genealogy-glh14046792;-1;-1;) ] [_View Image_ (http://persi.heritagequestonline.com.ezproxy.lapl.org/hqoweb/library/do/books/results/image? urn=urn:proquest:US;glhbooks;Genealogy-glh14046792;-1;-1;) ] The Edward Pleasants Valentine papers : abstracts of records in the local and general archives of Virginia relating to the families of Allen, Bacon, Ballard, Batchelder, Blouet, Brassieur (Brashear), Cary, Crenshaw, Dabney, Exum, Ferris, Fontaine, Gray, Hardy, Isham (Henrico County), Jordan, Langston, Lyddall, Mann, Mosby, Palmer, Pasteur, Pleasants, Povall, Randolph, Satterwhite, Scott, Smith (the family of Francis Smith of Hanover County), Valentine, Waddy, Watts, Winston, Womack, Woodson. Baltimore: Genealogical Pub. Co., 1979, 2784 pgs. E.W.Wallace According to my notes, Robert Rodes, was the son of John Rodes whose wife was Sarah Harris, one of the daughters of Major Robert Harris of Louisa Co., VA. Here are some of my notes: Albemarle Co. DB 2-67 verifies that by 1758 John Rodes was married to the daughter of Robert Harris. Harris deeded slaves to John Rodes "me thereunto moving but more especially for the natural love and affection which I have and bear unto my son in Law John Rodes....give grant bargain sell unto the said John Rodes & his heirs the following Negroes [two slaves, who are named]. 26 Aug 1758 /s/ Robert Harris. Wits: Matthew Harris, David Lewis, Joel Terril, Andrew Wallace." (Adapted from Ruth and Sam Sparacio, DEED ABSTRACTS OF ALBEMARLE COUNTY, VIRGINIA, DEED BOOK 2, 9 FEBRUARY 1758-12 MARCH 1761 [McLean, VA: Ruth & Sam Sparacio, 1988] p. 20) Question: What is the identity of Matthew Harris? **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. 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del   i only have time now to get into this very briefly and will say more later but i think your william harris of louisa/ goochland cos, va was related harris family and part of our captain thomas harris line and family.   it is, again, i believe, and which the info shows, my william harris/ judith hudson, who was the son of our william harris/ mary giles (?) and that your william harris of goochland co, va was the son of his brother, edward harris.   neither our william harris/ mary giles or his brother, edward harris, left wills and the only way that we are going to determine who their sons were is through our harris dna and their association with each other and these same individuals and families.   again, it is shown, per the records of hanover/ louisa/ goochland/ and brunswick/ lunenburg cos, va that our william harris/ mary giles had sons edward harris and david harris.    this was our william harris/ mary giles, who in 1725 obtained the patent for  these 400 acres on cubb creek in hanover, now louisa co, va  and these louisa co, va deeds state that edward harris and david harris were their sons.   again, william harris of brunswick co, va sold land there in louisa co, va to stephen harris and edward harris, son of our william harris/ mary giles, sold land to your william harris also of louisa/ goochland co, va, which he sold later to charles rice.   again, the deeds wherein william harris of brunswick co, va, who i definitely believe was my william harris/ judith hudson, sold land to stephen harris of hanover co, va and the deed wherein edward harris, son of our william harris/ mary giles, sold land to your william harris of louisa/ goochland co, va were recorded on the very same date in the louisa co, va court records.   this, to me, is definitely significant but it makes more sense  to me and/ or is more logical that the william harris, who was selling land there in louisa co, va was more probably the son of our william harris/ mary giles than the william harris who was buying it.   on the other hand, it still shows kinship, i believe, that your william harris of louisa/ goochland co, va would have bought this land from edward harris, son of our william harris/ mary giles.   again, there have been those, who have written about our harris families in the past and, again, i think we need to investigate what was written to see if we can determine whether what they wrote was accurate or not, etc, and/ or what they may have missed.   what kathryn wiggins had to say about our harris family is/ was different from what lee harris, etc, wrote.     again, she stated, per her compiled geneagraph re our captain thomas harris line and family, that it was my william harris/ judith hudson, who was the son of our william harris/ mary giles.   she does not state that his brother edward harris had a son, william harris, but that certainly does  not mean that he didn't.   she does state that his brother, edward harris, did have sons: thomas harris; robert harris, etc, and that it was his son robert harris, who was also a surveyor and who worked with his cousin david harris, who was a land dealer.    of course, this  was our david harris/ jane landy richardson, again, stated son of our william harris/ mary giles per these lousia co, va deeds.   again, the robert harris we are interested in, and who wiggins also said was a surveyor, is indicated to have stayed in this st martin's parish of hanover co, va area where you also find other of our harris family, like this stephen harris, etc, and who would not have been the robert harris of louisa/ albemarle cos, va who e.w. is interested in and who was the father of her christopher harris.   again, sad to say, we are missing most of the early new kent/ hanover co, va records, which would have helped us out a lot with this and these connections.   however, i still believe, again, it is going to be possible, per our harris dna and what records we do have, showing, again, their association with each other and these same individuals and families that we are going to be able to figure out who was who and who comes down from which brother, our william harris/ mary giles or his brother, edward harris and to also separate our harris family from that of william harris/ temperance overton, etc.   i will still add, however, as i also briefly look at some of these louisa co, va deeds that e.w. and others have posted and i have collected in my " draft box" that this is still complicated and none of us seem to know or have all of the answers for now.       belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8---------26910

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On Dec 4, 2008, at 7:01 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Because the 1790 census of Virginia is among those missing [the so- > called > 1790 census is a reconstructed census and is not a true census], > the 1787 > personal property tax lists for almost all counties extant in > Virginia are a good > resource for those with early Kentuckians. The Virginia personal property tax lists are invaluable research tools for genealogists. The lists started in 1782 and were taken annually (1808 being an exception). Generally, only the head of household was named, but the number of males over age 16 (over age 21 in some years) is noted. Taking the data from multiple years, the researcher can make educated inferences about the year a male came of age, the year a male died or left the county, and more. If you're really lucky, you'll find a few years when the enumerator named all of the free white males in a household, gave the names of slaves, occupations (usually only when there were two or more males with the same names), location in the county (also usually only to distinguish between two households). Surprisingly, there is considerable variation from county to county and even from one district to another within a county, but the most common categories were free white males over age 16, slaves under age 12, slaves over age 12, cattle, horses. Even the years that are alpha-sorted may have visible dates of enumeration, making it possible to determine names of people enumerated on the same date. After 1787, all households enumerated on a given date *probably* lived in the same general area. Some originals were in better shape than other and some images are more legible than others--one year might have visible dates and other years do not. You can order microfilm of the original VA personal property tax lists by county through any Mormon Family History Center, each film covering several years. You pay a $7.00 fee to have the film sent to your local Family History Center, where it will be available for you to use for 3-4 weeks. You can extend the loan period for another $7.00 and extend it to indefinite loan for yet another $7.00. These tax lists not only can fill the gaps left by missing census records, but they also can fill in the gaps between existing census records. I consider these lists to be an essential component of my research into my many ancestors who came from or through VA. Pat Seaver

Those of you who do a lot of Kentucky research know that a good many early settlers of Kentucky came from North Carolina [Daniel Boone and company, for example, later hired by Col. Richard Henderson of NC] and of course, Virginia. Virginia claimed Kentucky--and what is now West Virginia--until Kentucky became a State in 1792. Because the 1790 census of Virginia is among those missing [the so-called 1790 census is a reconstructed census and is not a true census], the 1787 personal property tax lists for almost all counties extant in Virginia are a good resource for those with early Kentuckians. Why? Because, as indicated, in 1787 Kentucky still belonged to Virginia. There are three volumes called The 1787 Census of Virginia by Netti-Schreiner-Yantis and Florine S. Love. These were compiled about two decades ago and may no longer be in print. Ask your public librarian to help you locate where these three volumes may be in your State. If you live near a University or a college, try to find their online catalog and do a search for these volumes. Some State libraries permit interlibrary loan. (You may have to do research in the library and not remove the books from the borrowing library--so ask.) Take plenty of money for photocopying!!! The third volume to this set is the index to the preceding two volumes. So that is the volume you MAY want to look at first. If you have an uncommon surname, you are in luck. You may have only a few pages to search. (And try to search unusual spellings for the surname. Spelling was not standardized until way late, and even now some family members spell the name differently.) BUT, if, like I, you have LOTS of common surnames, I highly recommend this: Photocopy the pages of the index which pertain to your surname(s). Then take a clean 81/2 x 11 sheet of paper and arrange numerically the page numbers you find in the index. That way, you can go to a photocopier and do your photocopying in an orderly manner. Why should you pay attention to doing this search/photocopying in an orderly fashion? Because, like I, you may find your Virginia ancestor is in the process of moving personal property [slaves, livestock, etc] to Kentucky, and he [or perhaps some females--mostly widows] has property in several counties--in at least one Virginia county--and in Madison Co., which was later in the State [Commonwealth] of Kentucky. Be sue to copy the key to the figures which appears in the first pages--I believe it is in each volume, but I do not recall. It took me a few years to figure this method of searching--so heed my words!!! You may find your underage ancestor is listed as a tithable of some older person--even his widowed mother. Pay close attention to what you find. (Look for Thomas Jefferson in Albemarle Co., VA) May you find these books in a nearby library. They are still under copyright, and, to date, I have not seen these lists on the internet. By the way, occasionally you can find listed on the internet occasional individual county booklets. I have such a booklet by the same authors for Fauquier Co.VA [whence came some of my Garrard Co. ancestors] and it has some extra material which enriches my family history. Do a google.com search for Nettie Schreiner-Yantis. I have posted this previously, but we are always looking for missing ancestors. E.W.Wallace **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010)

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Yes it is a mess and I'm wanting to get it straight too. After re-looking at William Deyo's work, what you have posted and the Depriest journal, I'm more convinced that my Harris line is the DNA group 6 not descending from Capt. Thomas Harris of Jamestowne. Although the families may have had a lot contact with each other. I'll keep researching and reading your posts! Del Hiestand --- On Wed, 12/3/08, belva cauthen <[email protected]> wrote: > From: belva cauthen <[email protected]> > Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] reply also to del re william harris/ charles rice goochland co, va, etc > To: "harris hunters" <[email protected]> > Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 6:57 AM > del >   > my brother david harris did the dna test for us but i am > the one who has researched our harris line/ family for about > 30 years now. >   > our harris dna says that we are a match with harris dna > group 8, who are said to trace back to our captain thomas > harris 1611 of jamestown. >   > this actually agreed with my own research but my research > says that we trace back to our captain thomas harris via > william harris/ judith hudson of lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, > va and that he was the william harris, son of our william > harris/ mary > giles (?),  son of our major william harris, son of our > captain thomas harris. >   > however, once i had decided for us to participate in the > harris dna project, which is also about the same time i > came on line, i learned that there were others who thought > that their william harris was the son of our william harris/ > mary giles. >   > again, it has been said/ thought that the william harris of > louisa/ goochland cos, va was the son, william of our > william harris/ mary giles, but, again, i can see no > connections re my william harris, sr/ frances goode there in > lunenburg co, va with this william harris of goochland co, > va, etc. >   > instead, as i have talked a lot about on harris hunters, > again, because of this controversy, my connections > are there in lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, va with william > harris/ judith hudson, who were also involved there with my > goode family; the cargills, etc, and other of these same, > related and associated families also on into laurens co, > sc. >   > i cannot explain all of this confusion and controversy > except that there are things that have been written in the > past, which may or may not have been accurate and, in  > fact, this is one of the things, to me, we need to do is to > try and figure out whether what has been written in the > past is or is not accurate and can be confirmed. >   > i cannot say whether our william harris/ mary giles (?) had > more than one wife, mary, but i can agree with carol on > these points: >   > that it makes no sense that our william harris/ mary giles > (?), who was the son of our major william harris and > grandson of our captain thomas harris would have been a > person of no rank and consequence there in new kent/ hanover > cos, va. >   > when malcolm harris wrote all of these things about who he > called captain william harris/ temperance overton and said > he was the same as "mr" william harris, > etc, he believed that your william harris/ temperance > overton traced back to our captain thomas harris of > jamestown but he does not. >   > i also believe, like carol, that it was our william harris > and his brother, edward harris, who were the surveyors early > there in new kent co, va, having learned this from the ligon > family and that it was likely, our william harris/ mary, > who, along with george alvis, who was elected vestryman. >   > again, it was george alvis, who re-married alice, widow of > our major william harris and mother of our william harris/ > mary > giles (?) and his brother, edward harris. >   > in fact, one of the things i am thinking is that our > william harris/ mary and his brother, edward harris, also, > wife, mary, per these new kent co, va deeds, were born > before  ca 1672 and ca 1674, which has been stated as the > dates of when they were born. >   > so, where do these dates come from exactly and/ or is there > an actual basis for them?  all i know is that they were > born before our major william harris died there in 1678 in > henrico co, va. >   > again, mary harris ligon, wife of thomas ligon of henrico > co, va, was the sister of our major william harris. >   > i also agree with carol that these connections are really > involved and complicated and  does seem in many ways that > we are looking at different parts of the same tree but, > again, i do not know what the answers are and/ or how we > arrive at conclusions. >   > for now,  all i know is we need to keep trying to > learn more and to keep trying to figure this out, etc. >   > our dna is totally accurate and confirms who we are but > it, of course, does not tell us exactly how we get there > and also, as we  keep saying, it goes hand in hand with a > clear and accurate paper trail.  >   > again, i can also only say i know what my own research has > shown and indicated to me.  >   > again, my research definitely indicates/ shows that my > william harris, sr/ frances goode there in lunenburg co, va > by 1746, and who was the father of my william harris, jr, > who died in 1799 in laurens co, sc, was the son of william > harris/ judith hudson, who was also in brunswick/ lunenburg > co, va by 1743 and who died in 1778 in mecklenburg co, va. >   > again, what also confirms this is this 1750 dodson survey > for william harris, sr and jr for this land on wynn creek, > which became a patent to my william harris, sr/ frances > goode in 1758, which he sold in several tracts, per halifax > co, va deeds, to john camp, who, in fact, was also involved > with my william harris, sr/ frances goode there in lunenburg > co, va. >   > again, this wynn creek land fell into halifax co, va and it > was my william harris, sr/ frances goode; william harris/ > judith hudson; my mackerness goode, sr; peter hudson, sr, > etc, who were all in cornelius cargill's district in > 1749 and it is cornelius cargill's district which became > halifax co, va. >   > so, the only william harrises i know that this survey would > have applied to, and who were in this lunenburg/ halifax > co, va area in 1750, were my william harris, sr/ frances > goode and william harris/ judith hudson and, in this case, > it was my william harris, sr/ frances goode, who was the > " william harris, jr," per this  1750 survey, > and who, again, obtained this land as a patent in 1758. >   >  i really hope in our working together we can, as i say, > continue to learn more and that we can hopefully figure > this out re our harris lines and families. >   >  it is obviously important that we keep trying to get > this right not just for those of us who are interested and > involved in this now but for all of those who come after > us. >   > thanks also for your own interest. >   > belva harris cauthen > harris dna group 8-------26910 >   >   >   >   >   >   >   >   >   >   >   > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

del   my brother david harris did the dna test for us but i am the one who has researched our harris line/ family for about 30 years now.   our harris dna says that we are a match with harris dna group 8, who are said to trace back to our captain thomas harris 1611 of jamestown.   this actually agreed with my own research but my research says that we trace back to our captain thomas harris via william harris/ judith hudson of lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, va and that he was the william harris, son of our william harris/ mary giles (?),  son of our major william harris, son of our captain thomas harris.   however, once i had decided for us to participate in the harris dna project, which is also about the same time i came on line, i learned that there were others who thought that their william harris was the son of our william harris/ mary giles.   again, it has been said/ thought that the william harris of louisa/ goochland cos, va was the son, william of our william harris/ mary giles, but, again, i can see no connections re my william harris, sr/ frances goode there in lunenburg co, va with this william harris of goochland co, va, etc.   instead, as i have talked a lot about on harris hunters, again, because of this controversy, my connections are there in lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, va with william harris/ judith hudson, who were also involved there with my goode family; the cargills, etc, and other of these same, related and associated families also on into laurens co, sc.   i cannot explain all of this confusion and controversy except that there are things that have been written in the past, which may or may not have been accurate and, in  fact, this is one of the things, to me, we need to do is to try and figure out whether what has been written in the past is or is not accurate and can be confirmed.   i cannot say whether our william harris/ mary giles (?) had more than one wife, mary, but i can agree with carol on these points:   that it makes no sense that our william harris/ mary giles (?), who was the son of our major william harris and grandson of our captain thomas harris would have been a person of no rank and consequence there in new kent/ hanover cos, va.   when malcolm harris wrote all of these things about who he called captain william harris/ temperance overton and said he was the same as "mr" william harris, etc, he believed that your william harris/ temperance overton traced back to our captain thomas harris of jamestown but he does not.   i also believe, like carol, that it was our william harris and his brother, edward harris, who were the surveyors early there in new kent co, va, having learned this from the ligon family and that it was likely, our william harris/ mary, who, along with george alvis, who was elected vestryman.   again, it was george alvis, who re-married alice, widow of our major william harris and mother of our william harris/ mary giles (?) and his brother, edward harris.   in fact, one of the things i am thinking is that our william harris/ mary and his brother, edward harris, also, wife, mary, per these new kent co, va deeds, were born before  ca 1672 and ca 1674, which has been stated as the dates of when they were born.   so, where do these dates come from exactly and/ or is there an actual basis for them?  all i know is that they were born before our major william harris died there in 1678 in henrico co, va.   again, mary harris ligon, wife of thomas ligon of henrico co, va, was the sister of our major william harris.   i also agree with carol that these connections are really involved and complicated and  does seem in many ways that we are looking at different parts of the same tree but, again, i do not know what the answers are and/ or how we arrive at conclusions.   for now,  all i know is we need to keep trying to learn more and to keep trying to figure this out, etc.   our dna is totally accurate and confirms who we are but it, of course, does not tell us exactly how we get there and also, as we  keep saying, it goes hand in hand with a clear and accurate paper trail.    again, i can also only say i know what my own research has shown and indicated to me.    again, my research definitely indicates/ shows that my william harris, sr/ frances goode there in lunenburg co, va by 1746, and who was the father of my william harris, jr, who died in 1799 in laurens co, sc, was the son of william harris/ judith hudson, who was also in brunswick/ lunenburg co, va by 1743 and who died in 1778 in mecklenburg co, va.   again, what also confirms this is this 1750 dodson survey for william harris, sr and jr for this land on wynn creek, which became a patent to my william harris, sr/ frances goode in 1758, which he sold in several tracts, per halifax co, va deeds, to john camp, who, in fact, was also involved with my william harris, sr/ frances goode there in lunenburg co, va.   again, this wynn creek land fell into halifax co, va and it was my william harris, sr/ frances goode; william harris/ judith hudson; my mackerness goode, sr; peter hudson, sr, etc, who were all in cornelius cargill's district in 1749 and it is cornelius cargill's district which became halifax co, va.   so, the only william harrises i know that this survey would have applied to, and who were in this lunenburg/ halifax co, va area in 1750, were my william harris, sr/ frances goode and william harris/ judith hudson and, in this case, it was my william harris, sr/ frances goode, who was the " william harris, jr," per this  1750 survey, and who, again, obtained this land as a patent in 1758.    i really hope in our working together we can, as i say, continue to learn more and that we can hopefully figure this out re our harris lines and families.    it is obviously important that we keep trying to get this right not just for those of us who are interested and involved in this now but for all of those who come after us.   thanks also for your own interest.   belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8-------26910