most of these who were purchasers of elizabeth walker's 1821 laurens co, sc estate sale are not families who i would have associated with my william harris, jr/ frances rodgers in laurens co, sc which is also why i did not note that there was an archibald harris as a purchaser of elizabeth walker's estate until i began looking at these connections re the rutledge family.   once, however, i did i began to see other significant connections.     as indicated, another purchaser of elizabeth walker estate sale there in 1821 in laurens co, sc was phillip wait.     per the info phillip wait was the son of john wait/ frances graves, who had moved there to laurens co, sc from culpepper co, va.   this info re the graves family is a lot more involved than i am going to go into for now and mainly will talk about the wait family.   john wait; sylvanus walker, jr; and john middleton were the appraisers of my william harris, jr/ frances rodgers estate in 1800 in laurens co, sc.   this was also john wait's daughter who married into my/ our rodgers/ anderson family also there in laurens co, sc and who had also moved ca 1770 from lunenburg/ charlotte co, va to laurens co, sc.   as indicated, john wait/ fanny graves' daughter married james anderson.    this james anderson was the son of andrew anderson, son of our related james anderson/ margaret rodgers, brother of our john rodgers, esq/ sr, father of our frances rodgers harris.   our john rodgers, esq, sr and his sister margaret rodgers anderson, were the children of our andrew rodgers, sr, who died in  in lunenburg co, va.      FRANCES GRAVES/JOHN WAIT, b 15 Aug 1757, Culpeper, Va, d 7 March 1836, > Laurens, SC > > Children: > > PHILIP WAIT, Esq, (my line) b 20 Sept 1782, Culpeper, Va, d abt 1851, > Laurens, m RHODA FRANCES POWELL, dau of NANCY BOBO/WM POWELL > PEACHY, b 2 March 1786, Culpeper, d Lauderdale Co, Tn, m WM J. CROCKER > MARIAH PARKS, b 3 April 1788, Culpeper, d 22 Nov 1815, Laurens, m JAMES > SIMS (children, JOHN, RODEY) > MARY (POLLY), b Culpeper, d Laurens, m WILLIAM GRAVES, son of LEWIS GRAVES > FRANCES (FANNY), b 14 Feb 1790, m JAMES ANDERSON > FRANKLIN, b Laurens, d before 1848 Laurens, m 1st ORPHIE HANSEL SIMS 27     From: < [email protected]> Subject: [ANDERSON-L] JAMES ANDERSON Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:30:30 EST A COLLECTION OF UPPER SOUTH CAROLINA GENEALOGICAL AND FAMILY RECORDS, Vol. 2, pages 11-12, discusses the following Anderson line: James Anderson, b. ? d. will filed in 1783 in Laurens Dist., SC, naming sons William, George, Andrew Anderson. Others mentioned in will were: Alexander Hamilton, Ainsworth Middleton, Robert Young, John Miller, James Young, and Benjamin Saxon. ( per laurens co, sc will book D-1, page 146, 1814, our charles harris/ jane cannon and james young, jr appraised the estate of john miller, who as indicated had married a daughter of our related james and margaret rodgers anderson. this was certified by william dunlap.) Oldest son, William Anderson, wed Molly Cobb and lists these children: Margaret, James, Sarah Ann, Ambrous, Robert, Samuel, Andrew, Jr., (states he wed Rebecca and moved to Benton Co., AL - died in 1844), and Mary. George Anderson wed 3 times: first to Miss Anderson, (no children mentioned), second to Miss Lewis (had 1 son: Judge David Lewis Anderson), and third to Molly Saxon. There were 13 children of this third marriage: Charles, Margaret, Judith, James, (moved to Cobb Co., GA), George, William R., (wed Annie Coker and moved to GA), Tabitha, Lewis, John, Molly, Saxon (wed Elizabeth Anderson and moved to Talledega Co, AL), Elizabeth, and Sarah. Andrew Anderson wed Jinny ? and had 5 known children: William (never married), George (never married), Margaret (never married), Joshua, (wed his cousin Margaret Anderson), and James (wed Frances Wait). here is the 1755 lunenburg/ now charlotte co, va will for my andrew rodgers, sr:   425. Rodgers, Andrew 12-18-1755; 7-6-1756; W.B. 1/160: Mentions: Wife: Janet Rodgers (she is called jane in laurens co, sc) Sons: Andrew Rodgers, John Rodgers, Thomas Rodgers, Patrick Rodgers  Daughters: Rebecca Rodgers, Margaret Anderson,  Elizabeth Culbertson, Martha Burnside; Son-in-law: James Burnside. Executors: Janet Rodgers (wife), James Burnside.  Witnesses: David Caldwell, William Cunningham, Wm. Caldwell.   also here is a lunenburg co, va deed showing that james anderson, wife, margaret, lived in this ward's fork/ creek area of lunenburg, now charlotte co, va.   lunenburg co, va deed book 3, page 328, 1753, james anderson of lunenburg co, va to george clarke of same for 110 pds, 440 acres on ward' fork, being part of a larger tract formerly granted by john lidderdale and elizabeth, his wife, to james anderson.  signed:  james anderson, margaret anderson, her mark.  witnesses:  william holt; alexander joyce; john robertson.   in fact, here is the lunenburg co, va deed wherein john lidderdale, etc, sold this land to james anderson.   lunenburg co, va deed book 1, page 304, 1748, alexander spalding, john lidderdale, and samuel gordon, merchants, to james anderson, spalding and lidderdale gave power of attorney, dated feb 6, 1744, to convey land by deed of about 504 acres, part of a tract of 16, 933 acres on ward's fork, which was patented to spalding and lidderdale on feb 4, 1744 and which lot is numbered 27 where the whole tract is divided into 34 lots.  signed:  john lidderdale; andrew spalding.  witnesses:  thomas jones; thomas vernon; james murphey.     to be continued:     belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8---------26910

  again, three of the children of our latest harris dna group 8 match's ancestor william harris/ lucinda rawlins married 3 of the children of alexander rutledge/ elizabeth miller there in gwinnett co, ga.   again, per the info re the rutledge family, alexander rutledge was the son of joseph rutledge who had moved there from abbeville co, sc and this was joseph rutledge's nephew william rutledge whose land in laurens/ abbeville co, sc was adjacent larkin gaines who also witnessed william rutledge's laurens co, sc will.   i have the  book laurens co, sc wills 1784-1840 by colleen elliott and larkin gaines and archibald harriss were purchasers at elizabeth walker's estate sale in 1821.   again, my archibald harris married my elizabeth carter, daughter of my robert carter, jr ca 1827 in laurens co, sc.    since my robert carter, jr was involved with the estate of his newphew robert carter, son of his older brother, zimry carter, in 1828/ 1829 there in laurens co, sc, they did not move to gwinnett co, ga until just before 1830.   again, per the 1830 gwinnett co, ga census, my arch harris/ elizabeth carter was enumerated in close proximity to our robert carter, jr.   on the one hand, and since the info indicates that my archibald harris was born, ca 1808, and would have been only age 13 or 14 in 1821, this seems to have been young to have purchased from someone's estate sale.   on the other hand, how old does one have to be to purchase from someone's estate sale?   as far as i know, my archibald harris/ elizabeth carter was the only archibald harris i know who would have been and who had connections to laurens co, sc in 1821.   per this rootsweb site, elizabeth walker, who died in 1839 in laurens co, sc, was a simmons, wife of elijah walker, and they were married in henry co, va.    again, i do not know of any connections re our harris family to henry co, va but there was also walker family defnitely involved with my harris family from lunenburg co, va on into laurens co, sc.     SIMMONS-L Archives Archiver > SIMMONS > 2000-01 > 0947176630 From: "Charles and Jimmie" < [email protected]> Subject: [SIMMONS] Elizabeth Simmons Walker, Henry County, VA Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:37:10 -0600 Hello Simmons Researchers, Is there anyone on the list researching Simmons in Henry County, VA? I'm looking for the parents of Elizabeth Simmons Walker. Her marriage in Henry County is as follows: >From Henry Co., Virginia Marraige Bonds: Elijah Walker married Elizabeth Simmons, 21 November 1786 Joseph Anthony, Minister Elijah and Elizabeth Simmons were in Laurens County, SC, by 1800. John Simmons, also, lived in Laurens County. I don't know the relationship, if any. >From Elijah's and Elizabeth's estate papers, Laurens County: eleven children to wit: 1. John Walker, 2. Agatha Ford, wife of Daniel Ford, residing in Georgia 3. Nancy the wife of Sam'l Fifer 4. Sally the wife of Harris Mitchell, residing in the state of Alabama 5. Elijah Walker, residing in Georgia, 6. Elizabeth the wife of William South (This is Wm. South, Jr.) 7. Elisha Walker 8. Alphey Walker 9. Polly the wife of Robert Freeman 10. William Walker 11. Charles Walker Jimmie   who was the harris mitchell above?  was he related somehow to our harris family?   here, to follow, are the purchasers of the estate sale of elizabeth walker there in 1821 in laurens co, sc:   laurens co, sc 1821, estate sale of elizabeth walker, decd.  Purchasers:  phillip wait; archibald harriss; samuel phifer; robert freeman; aaron clore; james simmons; thomas hinson; james gaines; william south; david p. posey; william south, sr; reuben powell; allen hedley; harrison daniel; ezekiel powell; james parker; burket davenport; george washington; adam c. jones; ezekiel south; col wm ware; larkin gaines; james powell; isaac waldrop; daniel south; charles smith; moses myers; daniel hazel; elijah smith; jacob niswanger; mrs elizabeth myers; andrew hunter. john walker, admin.     to be continued:   belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8-------26910  

again, re our latest harris dna group 8 match, three of the children of alexander rutlege/ elizabeth miller married three of the children of their william harris/ lucinda rawlins there in gwinnett co, ga and, again, per the info, the rutledges had moved to gwinnett co, ga from abbeville co, sc with connections also to laurens co, sc.   here is futher info re this william rutledge, nephew of joseph rutledge, father of alexander rutledge, who left the following will in laurens co, sc.   per the info, land william rutledge owned which was on the border of laurens and abbeville cos, sc  bordered on larkin gaines, who also witnessed william rutledge's laurens co, sc will and i have more to say about this larkin gaines and these connections.   7 Nov. 1817 William Rutledge purchased 50 ac. from Samuel Meares, Laurens District, S.C. on Saluda river. Adjoined lands of John Rutledge etc. 7 Dec. 1818 William Rutledge purchased 46 ac. from Issac Underwood adjoining lands of Wm. Rutledge, Larkin Gaines and Christopher R. Greens. 6 Nov. 1819 William Rutledge purchased 44 ac. Laurens Dist. S.C. from Wm.Anderson,adjoining Larkin Gaines. Also 188 ac. adjoining Edward Ware, Randolph Mirff, etc. Also 40 ac.adjoing Edward Ware, Randolph Murff, etc.   CHURCH RECORDS: In one will William Rutledge left $200.00 to the church at Turkey Creek for repairs or for building. Review of the available minutes from the Turkey Creek church in the Abbeville area did not show a William Rutledge as a member. In May 1822 after his death his will was read to the congregation of the church at Kings Chappel, in Laurens Co near Turkey creek and the Abbeville Co. line. LAND RECORDS: 7 April 1807, Cornelius Cook sold 133 ac. to Aaron Crump* for $250. on br. of Saluda called Beaver Dam one mile above Maxwells bridge. Part of 500 ac. conveyed by Edward Penman and Alex McDowell, by them to Armistead Oakley, by him to Cornelius Cook, by him to AronCrump. Bounded by Wm. Rutledge to So., Joseph Rutledge to E., Josiah Bosco N., Cornelius Cook to W. etc. (Have Copy).   Laurens Co. S. C. Deed Book J, P. 214. 24 Sept. 1813 Aaron Crump sold 133 ac. to William Rutledge for $300. as above adjoining Josiah Box, Cornelius Cook. Wit. Allen Mitchell, Ira Arnold,. Rhoda Crump, wife of Aaron releaseddower, 24 Sept. 1813. Proven 24   Sept. 1813. Laurens Co. S.C. Deed Book,J,P. 214. (Have copy) Land as described below was not included in William Rutledge's wills but is outlined in an Equity Bill filed by his half brother, John Knight and his half sisters, 15 Jan. 1823. 7 Nov. 1817 William Rutledge purchased 50 ac. from Samuel Meares, Laurens District, S.C. on Saluda river. Adjoined lands of John Rutledge etc. 7 Dec. 1818 William Rutledge purchased 46 ac. from Issac Underwood adjoining lands of Wm. Rutledge, Larkin Gaines and Christopher R. Greens.   6 Nov. 1819 William Rutledge purchased 44 ac. Laurens Dist. S.C. from Wm. Anderson, adjoining Larkin Gaines. Also 188 ac. adjoining Edward Ware, Randolph Mirff, etc. Also 40 ac.adjoing Edward Ware, Randolph Murffm etc. It appears some of William's and Joseph"s property was near the Saluda river, the dividing line of Laurens and Abbeville Counties. Rutledge Ford was at the Saluda river and Broadmouth creek and nearby on the Saluda river was an area known as Rutledge Shoals. WILLS - ESTATES RECORDS: Laurens District, S.C., 11 Dec. 1816--William Rutledge will, Joseph Rutledge and Cornelius Cook Sr., executors. Personal estate to be sold including tract of land purchased of Wm. Daniels, where I now live (50 ac.). Also all money due me, as also 43 ac. of land which I purchased of Zacheriah Neal, also to be sold two Plantations purchased from Wm. Maddox and Aaron Crump to be guarded and kept for my dear brother John Knight for eight years at theexpiration of which time he is to possess the land and from my death he is to calculate or have the profits. He is to pay $5.00 per year to my executors as a tenant. After all lawful debts paid the remainder to be disposed of as follows: $200.00 to Uncle Joseph, $200.00 to church at Turkey Creek to repair or build the church etc. $100.00 to Cornelius Cook Jr. son of executor to be kept in interest for his education. If he dies before it is spent give to Nansey Thompson for the kindess she has shown in my affliction. $100.00 and any remaining balance to be equally divided among my dear sisters and their heirs, Nancy, Fanny, Betsy, Amey and Delilah and that part which wouldfall to my sister Polly, said money to remain in the hands of my executor until the child should become of lawful age. In case of death of this child it is to remain in the hands of myexecutor for the use of the other two children of my dear sister, Polly and that part which would have been an equal dividing said money property the portion my dear sister, Nancy Night I give andbequeath to her heir if living and in case of the death before it becomes of age it is to be divided equally among the above named sisters and the lawful heirs of her body. Wit: Larkin Gains, Robert P.Delph, Betsey Gains. Proven 5 Jan. 1823 Laurens District, S.C. S.C. Wills, Vol.1, pp 87-88.       to be continued:     belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8-------26910

again, per the info from the new harris dna group 8 match, three of the children of their william harris/ lucinda rawlins there in gwinnett co, ga married into the family of alexander rutledge/ elizabeth miller also there in gwinnett co, ga.   per the info, which i will cite, the rutledge family was from abbeville co, sc with connections  re their rutledge family also to laurens co, sc.     the info i am going to cite here is from a file on the rutledge family and note that it also, per this info, makes a connection re their rutledge family also to laurens co, sc and, of course, my harris and carter family moved from laurens co, sc by 1830 to dekalb/ gwinnett cos, ga.     again, this melvina harris, who married william rutledge; her sister mahala harris, who married george washington rutledge and their brother, harrison harris, who married martha louisa rutledge, children of alexander rutledge/ elizabeth miller are stated to have been the children of this william h. harris/ lucinda rawlins of gwinnett co, ga, whose descendant is our latest harris dna match.    what the info shows, per these rutledge rootsweb site and others to follow, is that this joseph rutledge of abbeville co, sc, and who also moved to gwinnett co, ga, was the father of alexander rutledge/ elizabeth miller and that joseph rutledge was the uncle of this william rutledge who died in laurens co, sc.   there are significant connections re william rutledge not just there in laurens co, sc, but which also lead back to my william harris, sr/ frances goode and my william harris/ judith hudson also there in lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, va, which, of course, i am also going to point out and talk about.   Entries: 336411    Updated: 2009-01-13 03:29:38 UTC (Tue)    Contact: William I ID: I275871 Name: Alexander W Rutledge Sex: M Birth: 1817 in SC Death: ABT 1885 in Gwinnett Co, GA Father: Joseph Rutledge b: 1770 in SC Mother: Mary Polly Hearn b: ABT 1775 in SC Marriage 1 Elizabeth Miller b: 1820 in SC     RUTLEDGE-L ArchivesArchiver > RUTLEDGE > 1997-03 > 0857494223 From: < [email protected]> Subject: Re: Berry Rutledge, b.c. 1785 or 1788 in GA or SC       ....................3 Alexander W. RutledgeBorn: Abt 1814 in South Carolina Died: Abt 1885 in Gwinnett County, Georgia ........................+Elizabeth MillerBorn: Abt 1820 in South Carolina Died: Abt 1859 in Gwinnett County, Georgia Married: Abt 1838 ...............................4 Joseph Marion Rutledge Born: Abt 1841 in Georgia Died: April 17, 1924 in Gwinnett County, Georgia ...................................+Sarah Jane Nichols Born: June 07, 1844 Died: October 26, 1899 in Gwinnett County, GeorgiaMarried: WFT Est 1872-1895 ...............................4 David S. RutledgeBorn: Abt 1843 in Gwinnett County, Georgia Died: March 09, 1907 in Gwinnett County, Georgia ...................................+Nancy Langley Born: Abt 1844 in Georgia Died: December 23, 1911 in Gwinnett County, Georgia Married: December 24, 1865 in Gwinnett County, Georgia ...............................4 William RutledgeBorn: Abt 1846 in Gwinnett County, GeorgiaDied: WFT Est 1877-1936 ...................................+Melvina HarrisBorn: WFT Est 1842-1862Died: WFT Est 1877-1946Married: WFT Est 1877-1911 ...............................4 George Washington Rutledge Born: Abt 1849 in Gwinnett County, GeorgiaDied: WFT Est 1883-1940 ...................................+Mahala N. HarrisBorn: Abt 1852 in GeorgiaDied: WFT Est 1883-1946Married: WFT Est 1880-1914 ...............................4 Martha Louisa Rutledge Born: Abt 1851 Died: WFT Est 1879-1945 ...................................+Harrison T. Harris Born: WFT Est 1834-1854Died: WFT Est 1879-1940 Married: WFT Est 1879-1913   Photostats of letters from John Alex Rutledge son of John Rutledge b. 1794 , and Josiah Rutledge, brother to John and Kisah Rutledge dated 1869 to 1874 re family members. Originals in possession of Glen P. Rutledge, Kennesaw, Ga. See photostat of letter dated Oct. 22, 1869 from John Alex Rutledge to Alex W. Rutledge re death of Uncle Berry. In 1860 census, Fulton County, Ga., listed as a carpenter. Marriage info from diary of Kinchin Rambo, Primitive Baptist minister, Gwinnett Co., Ga. MISC: Wm. Rutledge, Laurens Co., S.C. in his wills, 1815 and 1816, mentions that he bought two plantations from Wm. Maddox and Aron Crump that were to be sold. Legacies included sisters Fanny, Betsy, Amey, Delila, Polly's children, Turkey Creek Meeting house and Cornelius Cook and his Uncle Joseph Rutledge who were the executors. ( See Will of Wm. Rutledge.) A land grant to Joseph Rutledge in Abbeville Co. 12-7-1818, bordered land owned by Wm. Maddox and Ruth Crump. Another neighbor to Joseph was Wm. Davis. Nancy, daughter of a Joseph Rutledge, Prince Edward Co., Va. married a Wm. Davis in Pr.Edw., Co.,Va., on Jan. 5,1788. Possible connection?    to be continued:   belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8------26910

again, my specific harris line and family is a match with harris dna group 8 and because of controversy and also because no one has ever written or published any thing about our specific harris line and family, i have been talking on harris hunters for awhile and recently about our harris line and families and what i have learned and noted about them, per the records, and my studying them for years.   my father's great uncle william abe harris wrote a brief harris family re our archibald harris/ elizabeth carter in 1933 in paulding co, ga, saying that our arch harris had brothers dan and edd harris and that our harris family had moved into ga with our carter family, who i now know absolutely for sure were from laurens co, sc.   i determined that our arch harris' brother daniel harris/ lucretia was the daniel harris living near our carter family in 1850 in paulding co, ga and who, like our arch harris/ elizabeth carter, had, by 1860, moved to cleburne co, al.   the only edward harris i could find was on the 1860 census for paulding co, ga and who was living in the pumpkin vine creek area near harris family who is not  related to ours but later did marry into our harris family there in paulding co, ga.   i thought, and others i corresponded with also earlier from this other harris line and family thought so as well, that this edward harris was part of their harris family not ours.   i recently, after all this time, had an email from someone who does descend from this other harris family there in paulding co, ga, saying that he believes that this edward harris was ours and that, in fact, that after our daniel harris had moved to cleburne co, al, that edward harris had moved into daniel harris' house there in paulding co, ga.   in studying the census records re edward harris, which others have recently sent to me, this is definitely indicated to have been the same edward harris/ sarah, who were in 1850 living in cates district in gwinnett co, ga.   what is also interesting about this is that we have a new harris dna group 8 match with a lot of connections also to gwinnett and paulding cos, ga and, in fact, this william harris/ lucinda rawlins were still living in cates district of gwinnett co, ga in 1880.   also, per the census records, both edward harris, wife/ sarah, and william harris/ lucinda rawlins had sons named harrison harris, although, per the 1850 census, gwinnett co, ga, edward harris/ sarah's son is called hiram harris there.     to be continued:     belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8---------26910                

BURNS-HARRIS Looking for Frederick F. Harris' parents: Frederick was born 1812 in NC. He m. in Savannah, GA in 1834 to Ann C. Burns b. 1812 in New York City, NY. They moved to Clarke County, Alabama in 1856/57. Frederick F. died in Clarke County in 1852. Ann C. Burns Harris died in Clarke County in 1852. Emma Winters RELY TO: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>

Although this website is supposed to be about Fayette Co.,, Kentucky, it is chock full of info about Virginia, including maps of western Virginia and Hening's Statutes. Take a look. My search terms for *Robert Harris* were not very productive. I have to insert some punctuation such as quotes, etc. E.W.Wallace _http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kyfayett/varoots.htm_ (http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kyfayett/varoots.htm) **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023)

See subject above. I have a lineage full of common surnames. I bet you do too. Here is a cut-out from Ancestry's weekly newsletter. It is free, Subscribe. Some of the contributors, mostly professionals, have excellent ideas. Apologies to Ancestry's newletter for copping this article: E.W.Wallace Tips from the Pros: The "Maybe Relateds," from Loretto D. Szucs ==================================================================== When you're working on common surnames, it doesn't take very long for things to get awfully confusing. This is especially true if you are working in big cities where there may be hundreds of unrelated people sharing the same last name. And in our case, those families with common surnames had no idea of how they would deepen our frustration by giving their children common first names like John, James, William and Mary. Fortunately, when I took my first genealogy class (way back in the last century), the instructor wisely taught us to keep track of all findings - even when the people found in the records appear not to be related to your family. She suggested keeping a "Maybe Related" file and I can tell you it was one of the best methods I ever learned. Before we had the wonderful convenience of indexed census records on our home computer screens, we had to go to a library or an archive and tediously search through page after page of names. Frankly, I was impatient to zero in and copy only information that pertained to known relatives, but I'm glad I followed the instructor's teachings. I'm not sure I'd have the patience to do it now, but I made an index card for every Dennis, Dyer, Kelly, Miller, Muller and Nelson that I ran across in census schedules, books and other records. It wasn't feasible to copy every piece of information on every record, but I did copy names, ages, occupations, birthplaces or other identifying information, along with the name of the record in which the name was found, the page number, the name of library or archive in which it was found and the date it was found. In that way, I'm able to go back to a record if I ever need it again. It sure beats trying to remember where I saw something and wasting precious time wading through collections for a second or third time. In recent years, I've transcribed these index cards into lists and spreadsheets on my computer. I've also learned to keep track of people who may or may not be related when I search records on Ancestry.com and other internet sites. This file has helped me more than once to figure out who is, and who is not mine. Keeping track of same-named ladies and gentlemen turned out to be enormously helpful when I went to the Family History Library in Salt Lake City earlier this month. As I looked for our James Miller in vital records, I found several possible candidates, but looking back on my "Maybe Related" file I was able to see how most of my new finds couldn't possibly be him because of significant discrepancies in age, birthplace, family composition, or death dates. There's one James Miller who looks pretty suspicious, however. His age matches, his wife's name is right, but everything we have says our ancestor was German born. The enumerator noted that this newly-found fellow was Irish born. I copied relevant information anyway and hopefully one day soon, we will be able to sort it all out and know which one might be our ancestor. If you have common name mysteries in your family, I highly recommend the "Maybe Related" filing system on your computer or even the index card method. Call me "old fashioned" but I still love to pull out the index cards and move them around and analyze them in different ways. As we add to these files, individual and family patterns will emerge and those hidden behind common names will finally reveal themselves. At least sometimes they do! How do you deal with the "maybe relateds" in your files? Share your tips with us in the comments section of the blog. http://www.ancestry.com/s23557/t15541/rd.ashx To print or comment on this article, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/s23557/t15541/rd.ashx **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023)

I am having trouble fitting a 1783 marriage of Edward Harris/Catherine Jones under Edward Mountain Ned Harris b ca 1778 whose first wife was Elizabeth Betsy Harris, d/o Edward Harris b ca 1745 Charlotte VA /Mary Polly Johnson. Thomas Jones, father of Catherine Jones, lived on Fishing Creek where the Edward Harris family had settled. Does anyone have an extra Harris born ca 1763 ish from this Group 8 line? 1781 (Wilkes NC DBA-1:113-4) Between Wm. LENOIR of Wilkes and Stephen HARRIS of Wilkes… £5,100. 148 acs. both sides Fishers Creek.. bounded N by lands Robert CHANDLER.. W. by lands Jesse PORTER.. S by lands Edward HARRIS and others … Land granted Wm. LENOIR by Joseph PORTER 18 May 1780. Witnesses: Richard ALLEN, Edward (X) HARRIS and William (X) Combs. Signed Wm. LENOIR. (Wilkes Co., NC Deed Book A-1, B-1, C-1," Mrs W.O. Absher, SHP, Easley, SC, 1989, p. 7; Provided by Researcher Barbara Stacy Mathews who adds that the date was probably between Jan and 26 Mar 1781 based on other filings on near-by pages of the book) Notes: The above William Combs not identified, but note the presence of Joseph PORTER, also a bondsman at the wedding of John & Biddy NANCE Combs in 1779; and Richard ALLEN, possibly kin to David or Nathan ALLEN(?), and Edward HARRIS*********** whose land was adj. that of John Combs of Caleys Creek. Edward HARRIS may have been the same who m Catherine JONES on 12 Apr 1783 in Wilkes Co NC. Richard ALLEN was at various times both a Capt. during the RW and a Sheriff of Wilkes Co NC. Not known if kin to the ALLEN-MARTIN Families of the Iron Works, or to Nathaniel ALLIN who m Winnifred Combs Ridge. _http://www.combs-families.org/combs/records/nc/wilkes/_ (http://www.combs-families.org/combs/records/nc/wilkes/) **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023)

I am confused. I thought I was finally sorting out the early VA Harrises, but then saw the list of children attributed to Robert & Mourning Glenn Harris in one of the family trees discussed by "Pat Clare" in an email a few days ago. Robert was said to be son of William and Temperance Overton - - the whole bunch were Group 6. I thought their children were: Tyree Sr (his eldest son) Lucy m Wm Shelton Christopher (EW Wallace – Hdanw – descends from him Robert m Lucretia Brown. Mary m James Harris, Jr son of James Harris, Sr & Sarah Crawford of Albemarle (PMH) On the other hand, this online family tree had the following list of children - - no overlap at all! Elizabeth m William Crawford (brother of Joel?). Lived in NC and Columbia Co, GA Nancy m Joel Crawford (brother of Wiliam?) on Oct 16 1736 William (d 1776) m Hannah Jameson and, maybe, Michie. James (ca 1721 in Albemarle -1792) m Mary (b 1728). Anna m John Dabney (Dec 25, 1726. (Related to Mary Eliz Dabney wife of her uncle Christopher? ) Are there two Roberts married to Mourning Glenn? Seems unlikely. Do I have the wrong Robert as son of William & Temperance (Overton) Harris? Help. Sandy

our newest DNA 8 member says her tree goes: George Washington Harris [tests Group 8] Pat son of David Henry Harris son of William H. Harris b 1844 d 1918 Gwinnett GA [m Lucinda Rawlins] Pat son of Harrison J. Harris son of Stephen Harris son of Claiborne (Judith) Harris [claimed by DNA 6] Pat son of Thomas Harris Mary Giles, [this probably should be William] Pat son of Robert, [this is probably wrong] Pat son of Capt Thomas Harris son of Sir William, [this is disproved] Pat son of Arthur This is the family tree as published in Maude Callaway Harris' work. Obviously the eldest end has been confused, but the line from Harrison J. Harris down can be proved through the census records and is solid. At the time I was in contact with the donor family, they did not want to be further involved due to a family illness. **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023)

pat   some time last year you and mitch came on harris hunters, saying that a descendant of this william h. harris/ lucinda harris of gwinnett co, ga had participated in the harris dna project and was a match with our harris dna group 8.   as i replied also on harris hunters, i never received any notice that a descendant of this william h. harris/ lucinda rawlins was a match with my brother david harris or that i could find this person's info/ results on our harris dna results page for our harris dna group 8.   so, was their a descendant of this william h. harris/ lucinda rawlins who participated in the harris dna project or not?   i have learned myself other info which certainly makes me interested in this william h. harris/ lucinda rawlins there in gwinnett co, ga.   when my father's great uncle william abe harris wrote the brief harris family history re our arch harris/ elizabeth carter in 1933 in paulding co, ga, he wrote that our arch harris had brothers, dan and edd harris.   this dan harris is definitely shown to have been the same daniel harris, who was there in paulding co, ga in 1850 and who, like our arch harris/ elizabeth carter, by 1860, had also moved to cleburne co, al.   the only edd/ edward harris i could find, per studying the census records earlier, was, per the 1860 paulding co, ga census, there was an edward harris, who was living near samuel harris; craven harris, etc, in the pumpkin vine creek area and it has always been understood  there in paulding co, ga that this samuel harris/ craven harris harris family was not related to our arch harris/ elizabeth carter's harris family.   so, of course, i thought that this edward harris was related to their harris family not ours.   recently i had an email from someone,  who descends from samuel harris and who corresponds with me periodically,  telling me that he now believes that this edward harris was ours and that he was the edward harris,  brother of our arch harris/ elizabeth carter and that when our daniel harris moved to cleburne co, al that edward harris had moved into his house and continued to live there and oddly enough or not, it was near his samuel harris, etc.   i do not have access to the census records for now but someone found for me that there was an edward harris in 1850 in gwinnett co, ga, who certainly seems to be the same edward harris and as i rechecked the info,  and if the same, edward, both our edward harris and this william h. harris/ lucinda rawlins were living in this same cates district in gwinnett co, ga and both had sons, harrison harris, etc.   so, again, i need to find out from you and mitch if someone from this william h. harris/ lucinda rawlins actually did participate in the harris dna project and is a harris dna group 8 match with us.   besides my own interest in this william h. harris and now learning that this was probably our arch harris/ elizabeth carter's  brother, edward harris, there in paulding co, ga and, again, perhaps, also in gwinnett co, ga, this opens up the possibility that other of this harris family others have been interested in there in paulding co, ga, etc, may have also been related to us.   thanks for any help with this.   belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8--------26910    

You asked about finding your Northern Harris perhaps in a list of Revolutionary War folks. Each of the 13 colonies and the states formed from those colonies have different kinds of lists of participants in the Revolution, but the pensions, for the most part, were awarded by the U. S. government. Therefore, the lists in the below-mentioned volumes are abstracts of pensions held by National Archives. Nowadays the photocopies of the pension claims from NARA are rather costly. However, some States awarded bounty land for service. The Northern states, for the most part, did not have any extra land to award, so the lists mostly include southerners!!! A librarian-genealogist-author named Lloyd D. Bockstruck has compiiled a book of these latter awards. Sear for his name in online library catalogs. I believe some lists have been compiled by Murtie June Clark. Do an author search and see what you can find. Are you near a LARGE genealogical library, or perhaps a University or college library? How about your State Library? If so, scan [well, not the computer scan] the online catalog for this author/editor: White, Virgil D. This man has devoted years of his life to compiling lists/indexes of US miltary records, including pensions. For Revolutionary War Pension abstracts [I think he did not list rejected pension claims] this is the title of his four volumes, the fourth volume being the index [by surname] for the preceding three volumes. Genealogical abstracts of Revolutionary War pension files [Waynesboro, TN: National Historical Publishing Co., 1990-1992] The Dewey decimal call number at my large city library is Gen 973.344 W588 [Your library may have a different call number, or there may be a Library of Congress call number] I believe some years ago another organization published an index, by state, of rejected Rev. War pension claims. Try to find such a book by looking at online catalogs--even the Family History Library catalog at _www.familysearch.org_ (http://www.familysearch.org) . [Use keyword: rejected Revolutionary War pension claims, or some such combination] If you do not find Virgil D. White's books in your neighborhood, write me offline and I will suggest a way to get a photocopy of a specific pension abstract from White's compilation--for a fee, of course. [White does not give ALL the details in a pension claim, and that detail sometimes is just the item you need to prove relationships!!!] Whenever you find a collection of Virgil D. White's indexes, be sure to look them over. They are well indexed, but be sure to look for variant spellings. You may find a long-lost ancestor, just as I did, in one of Virgil D. White's volumes. My German ancestor [landed here ca 1851 or so] apparently was recruited for the US Army [as were many other immigrants, especially Irish and German] during the 1850s. When I got his widow's pension record, I added MANY facts to my family genealogy--some of them pretty amazing!!! I cannot delete the following *cut* from my local library catalog. The formatting will be *messed up* E.W.Wallace Call # Gen 973.344 W588 Author _White, Virgil D._ (http://catalog1.lapl.org/cgi-bin/cw_cgi?doSearch+10695+965+_+//NB/White,_Virgil_D+-0+-1) Title(s) Genealogical abstracts of Revolutionary War pension files / abstracted by Virgil D. White. Edition 1st ed. Publisher Waynesboro, Tenn. : National Historical Pub. Co., 1990-1992. Paging 4 v. ; 29 cm. Contents v. 1. A - E -- v. 2. F - M -- v. 3. N - Z -- v. 4. Index. Subject Headings _Military pensions United States Revolution, 1775-1783._ (http://catalog1.lapl.org/cgi-bin/cw_cgi?doSearch+10695+965+_+//SB/Military_pensions_United_States_Re volution__1775_1783+-0+-1) **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023)

C. Leon Harris wrote in part in response to my message about *some kind soul[s] the following: These are not abstracts but verbatim transcriptions of pension applications and other documents relevant to the military service of Revolutionary War soldiers and their widows. The "kind souls" who inspired this effort are mainly Charles Baxley and David Reuwer of South Carolina, who are the driving force behind Southern Campaigns of the American Revolution (SCAR) _http://southerncampaign.org_ (http://southerncampaign.org) . They produce an online periodical that is an excellent source for anyone searching for information about the Revolutionary War in the South. The pension transcriptions are part of this overall effort. Will T. Graves manages that part of it and does most of the transcribing, with help from me and a few other volunteers. At present the site has more than 5200 transcriptions for soldiers who served from or in Virginia, the Carolinas, or Georgia, including all the Harrises. There is an excellent search engine. My response: I did not mean to diminish all the efforts of these driving forces and their helpers, Will T. Graves [he may be related to some Graves families whom I study], also C. Leon Harris, Charles Baxley and David Reuwer, and any others. They have done a great favor for those of us with southern lines who seek more information about our Revolutionary War ancestors. I just want to add that not only do these Revolutionary War pension claims help establish some facts about our Revolutionary War ancestors, but there are other records, for each of the original 13 colonies and some others, such as some states formed from the original 13 colonies. Also, Spain and Louisiana contributed and there were some Canadian participants. For Illinois and Kentucky service, you refer to the bibliography for Virginia. For Tennessee, you refer to the bibliography for North Carolina. One of the best guides as to how to determine whether your ancestor served either as a civilian or as a military person is to refer to a booklet published by the National Society Daughters of The American Revolution. The last time I bought a pamphlet, it cost me about $3.00 plus postage. The title is *Is That Service Right?* My version of this booklet is 2005 edition. A later edition should be your reference, as new discoveries are being published from time to time. Because we have access to so many more records these days through diligence of researchers and genealogists, *new* ancestors are being submitted to DAR every month. There is a LOT of work in submitting an application for a lineage society, but when it is approved for membership, one is pleased--nay, delighted!!! The contributors to the online _http://southerncampaign.org_ (http://southerncampaign.org) are to be congratulated. I learned from a PBS program that the first part of the American Revolution was fought in the North, and the latter part in the South. When you visit Jamestown in Virginia, try to include the Yorktown Battlefield. You can book a bus tour through Colonial Williamsburg. E.W.Wallace descended from a Harris ancestress with colonial Virginia Harris ancestors **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62)

In a message dated 1/23/2009 8:29:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I see these are Southern pension applications. would anyone know if there is a database such as this, online, for Northern Rev. War pensions? We have already checked the actual ones at NARA, however the 'rejected' ones interest me! I do not know of any systematic effort to transcribe all the pension applications of Revolutionary soldiers who served from or only in the North. However, quite a few northern soldiers served in the South, and eventually I hope they will be included on southerncampaign.org/pen. A few transcribed pension applications of northern soldiers are scattered online and can be found by googling. In addition, _www.footnote.com_ (http://www.footnote.com) has an excellent search engine that allows one to find specific names of soldiers of the Revolution, as well as of other wars and periods. _www.footnote.com_ (http://www.footnote.com) is also the only site I know of that includes the entire pension file. HeritageQuest and even the NARA microfilms often omit important military and genealogical information. By the way, I seldom see any significant difference between the accepted applications (file number preceded by S or W) and the rejected ones (prefix R). The most common reason for rejection was that evidence of at least six-month's service was not satisfactory to the pension office, or the widow or heir who applied could not adequately describe the soldier's service. Leon Harris **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62)

I see these are Southern pension applications. would anyone know if there is a database such as this, online, for Northern Rev. War pensions? We have already checked the actual ones at NARA, however the 'rejected' ones interest me! Thank you, Holly (from Northern Harris line!)

In a message dated 1/22/2009 5:29:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Some kind soul has abstracted many Revolutionary War pension files, including rejected ones, and created a website.. This is the website. Remove any punctuation fore and aft which rootsweb may add. _http://southerncampaign.org/pen/index.htm These are not abstracts but verbatim transcriptions of pension applications and other documents relevant to the military service of Revolutionary War soldiers and their widows. The "kind souls" who inspired this effort are mainly Charles Baxley and David Reuwer of South Carolina, who are the driving force behind Southern Campaigns of the American Revolution (SCAR) _http://southerncampaign.org_ (http://southerncampaign.org) . They produce an online periodical that is an excellent source for anyone searching for information about the Revolutionary War in the South. The pension transcriptions are part of this overall effort. Will T. Graves manages that part of it and does most of the transcribing, with help from me and a few other volunteers. At present the site has more than 5200 transcriptions for soldiers who served from or in Virginia, the Carolinas, or Georgia, including all the Harrises. There is an excellent search engine. In my experience there is little distinction between the rejected and approved transcriptions. Rejections were often based on failure to prove at least six months of service, and they sometimes appear to have been arbitrary. Even the rejected applications contain useful historical and genealogical information. Many thousands of pension applications await transcription, so additional volunteers are desperately needed. C. Leon Harris **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62)

Some kind soul has abstracted many Revolutionary War pension files, including rejected ones, and created a website.. This is the website. Remove any punctuation fore and aft which rootsweb may add. _http://southerncampaign.org/pen/index.htm_ (http://southerncampaign.org/pen/index.htm) _http://southerncampaign.org/pen/index.htm#h_ (http://southerncampaign.org/pen/index.htm#h) [This one with *#h* has surnames beginning with H - many Harrises!!!] He/she, the webmaster, calls this *southern campaign.* I did not read an introduction, which I had better go back and do. S = service man got the pension himself W = the widow of the service man [may have been a third wife] got a pension based on her spouse's Revolutionary War activity. She generally had to produce LOTS of genealogical info. (Upon helping a DAR applicant complete her application, I found her New England ancestress had torn out a page of the family Bible to show the birthdates of her children for the pension office. Unfortunately, on the film, the ink was so faded, I could not read it. However, the applicant, a good researcher, found another avenue for obtaining the children's names and birthdates.) R = rejected, frequently for not having proved he had given six months service. Even the rejected pensions give some genealogical information, I have found through experience. (I found an ancestor's birthplace and the year of his birth. A great help, because he had migrated from NC to KY. It was in the latter state where he applied for the pension when he was about 78 years old.) If you are a *do-it-yourself* genealogist, and you live near an LDS Family History Center, you can generally order the NARA [National Archives] films of selected veterans from the Family History Library in Salt Lake City. Get a volunteer at the center to help you untangle the catalog entries. as each film has a different number. Some centers may have a notebook which lists the film numbers for the various surnames, but if this is NOT the case at your center, I suggest you telephone the FHL Library in SLC during their night hours, especially in the winter, when they are not overwhelmed with patrons, and ask for the USA/Canada floor and a reference librarian. Ask if they can help you find a film number for your veteran(s). [Salt Lake "City is on Mountain Standard time--until Daylight savings comes around again.] I think some online genealogical databases such as HeritageQuest have images of selected RW pensions, but I am unsure of the rejected ones. I suggested to Footnote.com that they include the rejected ones, as they too give some needed information!!! They took my suggestion under advisement but I do not know the result. If you find the URL above to be satisfactory for your purposes, tell others in your genealogical circle--either by e-mail or in person!!! E.W.Wallace **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62)

this is partly in reply to anna overton jackson but also to others, who are part of harris dna group 6, and others of you, like e.w.,  who believe and/ or say you descend from william harris/ temperance overton.   this is not an issue to me whether there was or was not a william harris/ temperance overton who had descendants and that there are those of you who descend from him.   you will have to conclude that.   what i am interested in IS, again, this confusion that exists between our william harris/ mary giles and your william harris/ temperance overton.   again, given this confusion, i am interested in whether those who wrote about your william harris/ temperance overton, including malcom harris, got this info right.   again, i have not seen malcom harris' book or books but from what i have seen, he concluded in looking at these early patents and parish records of st paul's parish, hanover co, va that it was your william harris/ temperance overman, who was elected vestryman there in new kent/ hanover cos, va and that it was also your william harris/ temperance overton who was called mr william harris and, then, captain william harris.   again, it was our william harris/ mary giles and his brother, edward harris, who were the sons of our major william harris and his 2nd wife, alice, of henrico co, va and it was our major william harris of henrico co, va who was the son of our captain thomas harris 1611 of jamestown.    after our major william harris was killed by the indians in 1678 in henrico co, va, our alice remarried george alvis.   our william harris/ mary giles and his brother, edward harris, are shown, by 1694 deeds to have been in new kent co, va with their mother, alice, and their stepfather george alvis by this date or earlier.   again, as i have just shown and talked about on harris hunters per these records of this st paul's parish vestry there in new kent/ hanover co, va, they show that george alvis was a life-time and influential member of the vestry there in new kent/ hanover cos, va.   again, who better to influence both the vestry and our william harris/ mary giles in becoming also a member of the vestry there than our william harris/ mary giles rather than your william harris/ temperance overton.   again, the info does show that james overton also became a member of the st paul's vestry some time later than mr william harris and definitely some time after george alvis had been elected a member and who, as i say, is indicated to have been a life-time member of the st paul's vestry there in new kent/ hanover cos, va.   so, again, how does one conclude which william harris was called mr william harris, and later captain william harris and who was elected vestryman there in st paul's parish, new kent/ hanover cos, va,  given that it was our william harris/ mary giles who was brought up by his stepfather, george alvis or your william harris who is said to have married temperance overton?     again, this is confusing and, as i say, to me,  it cannot be easily or readily concluded just by looking at this st paul's parish vestry info whether it was our william harris/ mary giles or your william harris/ temperace overton who was also elected to the vestry there in st paul's parish in new kent/ hanover cos, va.   again, also, except for this patent on cubb creek in 1724 and the patent on elk's creek for this william harris, called william harris, jr, all of these other patents said to be for either mr william harris or captain william harris, malcolm harris ascribed to your william harris/ temperance overton.   is this info accurate?   i believe also that malcolm harris believed and wrote that this was your william harris/ temperance overton who traced back to our captain thomas harris 1611 of jamestown again through this robert harris, who, at one time, is stated to have married mary claiborne.   again, it is our major william harris, and his sister, mary harris, who married thomas ligon also of henrico co, va, who are definitely shown, again, per the records, to have been the children of our captain thomas harris 1611 of jamestown.   so, again, given this confusion re our william harris/ mary giles, son of our major william harris, 2nd wife, alice, who remarried george alvis,  with your william harris/ temperance overton there in new kent/ hanover cos, va, i am interested in what is actually known and  what is the  info, per the records, which can be actually cited re your william harris/ temperance overton.   for example, when i look at this into on the family tree rootsweb sites,  i find varying dates of when your william harris/ temperance overton was born and when he died, as well as who his/ their children were, etc.   so, again, other than what malcolm harris wrote and/ or this info from the book on the overtons, which, again, i have also not seen, what is the actual info which can be cited, per the records, for  your william harris/ temperance overton?     belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8----------26910    

Hello, To which DNA Group does William Harris/Temperance Overton belong. They are my 5th great grandparents. This is through Temperance Overton's line. Regards, Anna Overton Jackson -- Anna O. Jackson LAUS DEO! Mail List Administrator for Giles County; TN and Jessamine County, KY; Legg and Overton Surnames. CC Giles County, TN http://www.rootsweb.com/~tngiles/