again, this william rawlins was one of those who, as just shown, who paid the security re the will and estate of our related james hudson, sr there in 1765 in charlotte co, va and, again, per the post by ron bourassa, this  was the same william rawlins also involved with henry may and richard palmer.   again, this was my william harris, sr/ frances goode,  who acquired a patent there in lunenburg co, va in 1752 for a 1000 acres and in 1755, he sold 900 of these acres to william reade.   this was also, again, my william harris, sr/ frances goode, who in 1746 there in lunenburg co, va had the agreement with william marable re his plantation, finneywood, and was his overseer for several years.   so, again, this would have also been my william harris, sr/ frances goode, who, along with william marable and henry may, witnessed this lunenburg co, va deed re william reade to john hight.     lunenburg co, va deed book 4, page 213, 1755, william harris of lunenburg co, va to william reade of same for 160 pds,  900 acres at the head branches of the bluestone creek,  bounded by a new line, william tibbs, william harriss' old line.   signed:  william harriss.  witnesses:  robert wooding; thomas  bedford; william jones.  frances, wife of william harris, relinquised her right of dower.   lunenburg co, va deed book 4, page 201, 1755, william reade of lunenburg co, va to john hight of same for 16 pds, 100 acres in lunenburg on the head branches of the bluestone creek, being part of a tract of land patented in the name of william harris on nov 13, 1752 and by him conveyed to me by a deed yesterday and bounded by new lines.  signed:  william reade.  witnesses:  william marable; henry may; william harris.   again, these connections re john hight and our harrises and also involving our related edward harris, sr also there in lunenburg/ charlotte co, va, and whose sons, stephen harris and edward harris, jr also moved to laurens co, sc, are also more involved but i will not repost all of that info for now.   again, it was also john hight/ mary reade's son reade hight who signed the marriage bond re david harris' marriage to rebecca gilbert in burke co, nc and this david harris was the son of minyard harris, son of our related edward harris, sr also of lunenburg/ charlotte co, va.   frankly, there is not much about any of these connections there in this southside lunenburg/ halifax/ mecklenburg cos, va area, etc, that is not more involved period.    to be continued:     belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8-------26910  

again, as shown per james hudson, sr's 1765 charlotte co, va will, as studied and abstracted by elise cobb rumley, now deceased, and who descended from james hudson, sr/ agnes burton and their son, james hudson, jr were as follows:   Bk 1 page 170/1 Two of the Witness herto subscribed and ordered it be recorded on the -ostri of the said Executors who made oath according to Law-Certificate is granted them for obtaining probate of the said Will in due form, they giving Security whereupon they with, John THOMPSON, William RAWLINS and Joshua IRBY their Securities entered into and acknowledged this bond for that purpose. Truly Recorded Tho. Read Clk Teste Thomas Read Clk The Estate of James Hudson decd to James BURTON Junr. Dr." (verbatum)   again, this same william rawlins and the rawlins family  had connections there in lunenburg co, va with the same individuals also involved there with my william harris, sr/ frances goode and with my william harris/ judith hudson and with connections also with our harris family on cubb creek in louisa co, va.   again, most of this i have also talked about previously on harris hunter but i will also repeat most of this briefly.   first, however, here is this post by ron bourassa, showing that this william rawlins involved with the estate of james hudson, sr there in 1765 in charlotte co, va would have been the same william rawlins also involved with henry may and richard palmer, who, again, were also involved there in lunenburg co, va with my william harris, sr/ frances goode and my william harris/ judith hudson.   VALUNENB-L Archives Archiver > VALUNENB > 1999-01 > 0915830149 From: Ron Bourassa < [email protected]> Subject: RAWLINGS, MAY, JONES Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 14:15:49 -0700 Lunenburg Co Order Book 3, Pg 189. On the Motion of Henry May the Court do appoint him, the said Henry May, guardian of William Rawlings, orphan of John Rawlins, whereon he with Thomas Jones his security entered into a bond for that purpose. September Court 1754. The William Rawlings mentioned above in 1754 md Mary Magdelene Roberts (dau of Alexander Roberts) in Halifax Co, VA in 1767 and they lived in Charlotte Co, VA from 1771 until he died there in 1793. Henry May also lived and died in Charlotte Co. Another mention of Rawlings in Lunenburg Co is: Lunenburg Co VA Land Patents 1746-1916 TLC 34-315 399a 5/12/1759 Patent to: Richard Palmer Location: North Side of Roanoke R. Neighbors: RAWLINGS; John Clemmons to be continued:     belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8------26910

again, here are those paid by the estate of james hudson, sr in 1765 there in charlotte co, va, as absracted by elise cobb rumley, showing these connections with these same individuals also there in lunenburg co, va with both my william harris, sr/ frances goode and his father, my william harris/ judith hudson.     Notes she (elise cobb rumley)  abstrated 1 2/3 pages names only. Enumertated amt. paid to each party: David HUDSON, Joseph WILLIAMS, Matthew  MORABLE, Shff for Quit Rents of Lands, James BURTON, Junr (bond),Christopher Lowing(Loving or Sowing:) Mat MORABLE, McMucan (Mernucan?)HUNT, Armstead WATLINGTON, William HUDSON, William FULCHER, Charles ALLEN, part of HALLS Judg----(incomplete word), Sam1. COBBS, (tickets), Isaac READ (att.fee), to Agness HUDSON for LIER OR (SICE? HUDSON & Polly HUDSON, Edward MOSELEY   again, it was my william harris, sr/ frances goode who, as a young man, just married in 1746 in lunenburg co, va, was the overseer for several years for william marable's plantation, finneywood, and matthew marable was the son of william marable.   again, there is the 1750 dodson survey for the land on wynn creek for my william harris/ judith hudson and my william harris, sr/ frances goode,  which became a patent for my william harris, sr/ frances goode in 1758, which he sold, per several halifax co, va deeds to john camp.   both matthew marable and this armstead watlington paid by the estate of james hudson, sr also witnessed these halifax co, va deeds re my william harris, sr/ frances goode to john camp.   HALIFAX COUNTY, VIRGINIA   DEED BOOKS 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6.   1759-1767.   Page 70. 7 August 1759. William Harris of Lunenburg County to John Camp of same, for (pounds) 50, 400 acres, part of a tract patented by said Harris 15 December 1758 of 820 acres, beginning at Sizemore's corner pine thence south...Buckner Stith's corner....a dividing line running south....all houses, orchards, trees, etc. Signed: Wm. Harris Witness: C. Read Jr., R. Wooding, Paul Carrington, Mat. Marable. Recorded: date not given.   Page 72. 20 August in the 33rd year of our reign. Commision to Matthew Marable, Richd Witton, Henry Deloney, John Speed, or any two, to take the relinquishment of dower of Frances Harris of Lunenburg County, wife of William Harris and certify same. Signed: Geo. Currie CHC.   4 December 1758 Frances Harris relinquished her right of dower in a certain tract of land conveyed by her husband William to John Camp. Signed: Mat. Marable, John Speed. (marginal note, This dedimus is so recorded here by mistake. Not indexed in Halifax County).   Page 199. 13 September 1764. William Harris of Lunenburg County to John Camp of same, for (pounds) 30, 400 acres, part of a tract granted by patent 15 December 1758 containing 820 acres, beginning at Sizemore's corner thence south....Buckner Stith's corner....all house, orchards, gardens, fences.... signed: William Harris. Witness: Mat. Marable, John Coleman, Edward Wade, Armd. Watlington. Recorded: 20 September 1764.   memucan hunt married mary wade, daughter of robert wade, sr and these connections re robert wade and memucan hunt and our harris family also there in this lunenburg co, va area are also quite involved.   again, per a lunenburg co, va deed, my william harris/ judith hudson in 1749 sold an island/ plantation to samuel harris, who is/ was the same samuel harris who had a patent there with memucan hunt near john wilborn and my goode family in this same woodpecker creek/ bluestone creek area where my william harris/ judith hudson also lived.   again, both my william harris, sr/ frances goode and my william harris/ judith hudson were involved with the will and estate of john wilborn from 1757-1762 there in lunenburg co, va.   here is a copy again of the lunenburg co, va patent samuel harris had with memucan hunt.   from wiggins': harris papers: lunenburg co, va: land patents and grants:   whereas memucan hunt and samuel harris patented 3,750 acres on the bluestone creek september 6, 1757 and as they, and alexander robertson and his wife, martha, in whom the rights became vested have not cultivated it nor paid quit rents, and as benjamin hatcher has petitioned the court for the land, it is now granted to benjamin hatcher; bounded by a line on mitchell's corner on woodpecker fork on evans line to goode's corner to cargill's road to worsham's line to miller's line and john wilborn's corner to the land of robert southern and back to the beginning of the woodpecker fork.   samuel harris was also the exeutor of the estate of adlar david and as executor he sold land in this same difficult creek area of lunenburg/ halifax co, va where our peter hudson, sr lived both to robert wade, sr and his son, hampton wade.     lunenburg co, va deed book 5, page 346, 1749, samuel harris, executor, estate adlar david, decd, of lunenburg co, va to robert wade 100 acres north of difficult creek and south of staunton river, on a line of a tree planted by adler david and william irby.  wit: hampton wade; richard ellis.   then, also the appraisers of adlar david's estate were:  william irby; our peter hudson ( jr or sr); etc:   lunenburg co, va court orders book 1, page 196, william irby; peter hudson; luke smith; edward parker appraise the estate and slaves of adlar david,1749.   edward parker was also the son-in-law of our peter hudson, sr and his wife sarah hudson parker was the sister of our judith hudson harris.   to be continued:   belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8------26910

again, as also shown, one of those paid by the estate of our related james hudson, sr/ agnes burton there in 1765 in charlotte co, va was charles allen.   Notes she (elise cobb rumley) abstrated 1 2/3 pages names only. Enumertated amt. paid to each party: David HUDSON, Joseph WILLIAMS, Matthew  MORABLE, Shff for Quit Rents of Lands, James BURTON, Junr (bond),Christopher Lowing(Loving or Sowing:) Mat MORABLE, McMucan (Mernucan?)HUNT, Armstead WATLINGTON, William HUDSON, William FULCHER, Charles ALLEN, part of HALLS Judg----(incomplete word), Sam1. COBBS, (tickets), Isaac READ (att.fee), to Agness HUDSON for LIER OR (SICE? HUDSON & Polly HUDSON, Edward MOSELEY again, these luneburg co, va deeds also connect james burton, sr also with charles allen.   then, this was also charles allen, sr's son, charles allen, jr/ lucy bacon who also moved to laurens co, sc and in laurens co, sc lucy bacon allen remarried charles smith.   this was charles allen, jr/ lucy bacon allen smith's daughter mary/ polly allen who also married before 1800 in laurens co, sc our john l. harris, brother of my charles harris/ jane cannon, sons of our william harris, jr/ frances rodgers, son of our william harris,sr/ frances goode, son of our william harris/ judith hudson both of lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, va.   first, here are the lunenburg co, va deeds that also connect  james burton, sr also with charles allen, sr, and also with this sylvanus walker, who was also the same walker family also involved with my harris family in laurens co, sc as well.   lunenburg co, va deed book 6, page 107, 1760, silvanus walker, jr of lunenburg co, va and his wife, sarah, to charles allen of same for 250 pds, 200 acres in lunenburg co, va on the north side of the staunton river bounded by ornsby; goode.  signed: silvanus walker, jr.  witnesses:  william perry; james burton, jr; mary perry, her mark.  sarah, wife of silvanus walker, jr, relinquised her dower rights.     lunenburg co, va deed book 6, page 121, 1760, james burton of lunenburg co, va to silvanus walker, jr of same for 100 pds, 200 acres on the north side of the staunton river and bounded by ornsby and goode.  signed:  james burton.  witnesses:  charles allen, william perry.  mary perry, her mark.  judith, wife of james burton, reliquished her dower rights.   again, lucy bacon allen smith remarried charles smith in laurens co, sc and, again, this shows that our john l. harris, brother of my charles harris/ jane cannon, sons of our william harris, jr/ frances rodgers, was the son-in-law of charles allen, jr/ lucy bacon allen smith.   Laurens, South Carolina     Deed Book L: 64      I, Lucy Smith, Laurens District, South Carolina in consideration of the love and affection which I have for my daughter Polly Harris and her  husband John L. Harris, and in consideration of the sum of $5.00 paid  by William F. Downes, all of the same place, have granted and delivered  to the said William F. Downes the following negroes to wit - Charles  about 20 years of age, Martha about 10 years of age, Eliza about 9 years  of age and Poll about 40 years of age in trust to and for the  following uses and purposes to wit - for the sole use and benefit of the said  Polly Harris and John L. Harris or the survivors of them during their  lives except the girl Poll and Eliz which I reserve for the use and benefit of myself during my life and after my death and the death of the  said John L. Harris and Polly Harris to such persons as the said Polly  Harris notes sustaining may chose to convey the said negroes and their  increase to by deed or will lawfully executed to have and to hold  the said 4 negroes and their incease unto the said William F. Downs in  trust.     Lucy Smith. (Seal)  Wit.  Jas. Burton  A. Milner  Proved by A. Millner 2 Sept 1822 before John Garlington, Clerk and JQ  Recorded September 1, 1822 to be continued:   belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8--------26910

i am also recently corresponding with someone who descends from my judith hudson harris' brother james hudson, sr, who died in 1765 in charlotte co, va  and who has sent me a copy of james hudson, sr's will and estate record, saying that i could post this on harris hunters so that i could talk about connections if i would say that the will and estate papers were found and abstracted by elise cobb rumley, now deceased, but who had spent a long time researching their james hudson, sr and james hudson, jr and their families.   first here is a copy of this will and estate info re our related james hudson, sr/ agnes burton and, as i say, i want to post and talk about these involved connections.   again, this info was studied and absracted by elise cobb rumley:    Charlotte County, Virginia Will Bk. 1 pg 2 In the name of God, Amen, the second of May one thousand seven hundred & sixtly five I james Hudson, Sen. of County Staunton? (Charlotte)  being sick and weak in body but in perfect memory thanks be given to Almightly God therefore calling to mind the state of my body and knowing that it was appointed for all men over (to die?)make and ordain this to be my last will and Testament. that is to say and First I give and recommend my Soul in to the hands of He that gave it to me and may bod (inserted about to the Earth to be burried at the  at the discresion ?of my Executors not Doubting but at the General_(missing words or unreadable)____ I shall (missing word)same by the mighty Power of God; and as  Touching may Warr ( not complete word) where with it hath alowed God to Bless me in this Life I Give & Dispose of the same in the Following manner and form (missing word) my desire is that all my Worldy Debts be paid and All (missing word) collected as should be possibe; Item my Desire is that that four (400A?) Below the mouth of Buffelow Creek lying on the North side (missing words) he sell all my stock to Raise money to pay all my debts; and (missing word) that after all my Debts I desire that the Remainder of my estate. I give to my Loving wife fifty pounds also all my ( missing words and one chest also two cows & calves one mascr (missing words bequeath to my son Sice (Lier?) Hudson, Twenty pounds; Item (missing words) James Hudson Twenty pounds; item 1 I give and bequeath ( missing words Hudson  Twenty pounds: Item I give and bequeath to ( several missing words and incomplete) ildren (inserted above) ten pounds; Item I constitute and appoint  my ( missing several words) Hudson and James BURTON Junr my hole estate Executors(  missing  several and incomplete) tment and do hereby Disannull & revoke (several missing words) Testament Legasies and bequett and ratifing and confirming this and on  ( missing words) signed (missing word ) and Seal (missing word). Pg 3.At a court held for Charlotte the first day of July 1765. The within written last (inserted) will and Testament of James Hudson Deceased was proven in Court (missing word) by James Burton Senr and David Hudson the Executors the re in Named and the same was proved by the oaths of two Witnesses there to subscribed and ordered to be Recorded and on the motion of James Hudson one of the Executors made and oath.Law Certificated is Granted him for obtaining a Probate of the said Will in due form in Giving security whereupon he Together with WILLIAM HILL AND JOHN BOND (BONE)? his security. Entered into and Aknowledged the bond for that Purpose and David Hudson the other Executor Relinquished his (missing word) to Execution of the said Will in due form. Truely Record   Teste Samuel COBBS  Thos. Read Cl. Her notes missing words unable to read or indistinct and her capitalization. Bk 1 page 170/1 Two of the Witness herto subscribed and ordered it be recorded on the -ostri of the said Executors who made oath according to Law-Certificate is granted them for obtaining probate of the said Will in due form, they giving Security whereupon they with, John THOMPSON, William RAWLINS and Joshua IRBY their Securities entered into and acknowledged this bond for that purpose. Truly Recorded Tho. Read Clk Teste Thomas Read Clk The Estate of James Hudson decd to James BURTON Junr. Dr." (verbatum) Notes she (elise cobb rumley) abstrated 1 2/3 pages names only. Enumertated amt. paid to each party: David HUDSON, Joseph WILLIAMS, Matthew  MORABLE, Shff for Quit Rents of Lands, James BURTON, Junr (bond),Christopher Lowing(Loving or Sowing:) Mat MORABLE, McMucan (Mernucan?)HUNT, Armstead WATLINGTON, William HUDSON, William FULCHER, Charles ALLEN, part of HALLS Judg----(incomplete word), Sam1. COBBS, (tickets), Isaac READ (att.fee), to Agness HUDSON for LIER OR (SICE? HUDSON & Polly HUDSON, Edward MOSELEY 11/24/1777 - found Executor James BURTON junr owed estate. Signed by Frans BARNES, Edw. C. MOSELEY, Langston BARN? Sillys STOKES. Recc; 12/1/1777 Tho. READ TESTE again, james hudson, sr married agnes burton, daughter of james burton, sr/ judith also there in lunenburg co, va and some of these important connections re james burtons, sr and his son, thomas burton, i have also already talked about previously on harris hunters.   again, this was also james burton, sr's son, thomas burton, who also moved to laurens co, sc and land my charles harris, son of my william harris, jr/ frances rodgers and grandson of my william harris, sr/ frances goode, owned in laurens co, sc had involved a previous suit with the estate of thomas burton.   laurens co, sc deed book J, page 64, 1809, john clark, sheriff, to  james holley and charles harris for $53, 150 acres former property of  silvanus walker on raborn creek bordered on jonathan downs; lydall  allen; robert creswell, sold by writ of fi fa at suit of exix and exor  of thomas burton, deceased.  witnesses:  william irby;  john mc harg; john  garlington, c.c   to be continued:   belva harris cauthen  harris dna group 8 --------26910    

 i  had someone contact me recently about one of my posts on harris hunters re my talking about that this was my william harris/ judith hudson of lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, va who was the son of my/ our william harris/ mary giles and not this william harris/ mary of goochland co, va.   when she contacted me, all of my posts were included in her email to me and it showed that between almost every paragraph, if not more, that there were these question----- ------sorry, that this got sent------i was not through with this post-------   marks.      i am not putting these questions marks there and i am not questioning what i am saying here.  in fact, it makes it hard to say what i am questioning if all these question marks just automatically appear.    i appreciated her letting me know that these question marks are there and do come through like this with my posts but why are these question marks there?   what is also odd is that my posts do not come back to my own inbox with all these questions marks and i would not have known that they were there unless she had contacted me and her email included my posts.   so, what is the reason for all of these questions marks?     belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8--------26910

i had someone contact me recently about one of my posts on harris hunters re my talking about that this was my william harris/ judith hudson of lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, va who was the son of my/ our william harris/ mary giles and not this william harris/ mary of goochland co, va.   when she contacted me, all of my posts were included in her email to me and it showed that between almost every paragraph, if not more, that there were these question

again, this is said to have been william harris/ mary of louisa/ goochland cos, va daughter agnes harris, who married john cawthon, who, per the info, moved to granville co, nc.   this is info from the rootsweb family tree site by lavere peters citing bill brandon, who i have also corresponded with, showing that the same john cawthon, who married agnes harris, daughter of william harris/ mary of goochland co, va, had moved to granville co, nc and was involved there with the will of carter hudspeth.   the info says that carter hudspeth was the son of ralph hudspeth/ mary carter.   so, how was this ralph hudspeth/ mary carter related to the ralph hudspeth who witnessed sherwood harris/ jane hudspeth's 1763 granville co, nc or was this the same ralph hudspeth??   also,  if john cawthon, who was the son-in-law of william harris/ mary of louisa/ goochland cos, va  was involved with the same hudspeth family as sherwood harris/ jane hudspeth, does this mean that this sherwood harris/ jane hudspeth is/ was also part of our captain thomas harris' harris line and family and either also son or grandson of our william harris/ mary giles or his brother edward harris/ mary???     was this the same sherwood harris/ jane hudspeth, associated with our david harris/ jane landy richardson, who had also been on cubb creek in louisa co, va? LaVere Peters Genealogy Database Entries: 27503    Updated: 2008-09-15 15:01:12 UTC (Mon)    Contact: LaVere Peters    Home Page: The LaVere Peters Genealogical Home Page Index | Descendancy | Register | Add Post-em ID: I6568 Name: John CAWTHON Surname: Cawthon Given Name: John Sex: M Birth: in , Hanover Co., VA _UID: C3B16D888D62D611872CADF2889C830E4670 Note: 5 May 1998 e-mail from Bill Brandon <[email protected]>: John CAWTHON was born in Hanover Co., VA and came to Goochland Co. as a young man, where he raised his family before coming to Granville Co. NC about 1790. Two of his sons were William and Nathan. 9 July 2000 e-mail from Beverly (CAWTHORNE) SEBASTIAN <[email protected]> John's wife was Agnes (surname unknown). Beverly descends from William & & Elizabeth CAWTHON. 20 Dec 1999 e-mail from Bill Brandon <[email protected],net> Bill's line of descent fom John and Agnes (HARRIS) CAWTHON of Goochland Co., VA. and their son Nathan. Bill says that John CAWTHON may have been a son of William from Hanover Co., VA, who died in Goochland Co. John CAWTHORN was one of the witnesses of Carter HUDSPETH's 1796 Granville Co., NC will.Change Date: 8 Mar 2006 at 07:32:58 Marriage 1 Agnes HARRIS Children William CAWTHON b: BEF 1769 in maybe, Goochland Co., VA Nathan CAWTHON\CAWTHORN b: 8 May 1769 in , Goochland Co., VA c: 25 Jun 1769 in St James Northam Parish, Goochland Co., VA   here is also a rootsweb site citing carter hudspeth's will and showing that john cawthon/ cawthorn was a witness.   From: [email protected] Subject: [LANGSTON-L] Thompson Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:41:28 -0500 (CDT) in Book 3, page 242,243, Sept 4, 1795, will proved Feb. 1796, Carter Hudspeth wills to daughter Margaret...2 sons, Richard & Solomon Hudspeth...daughter Mary Upchurch....children are; Geo. Thompson, Margaret H., Solomon H., Sarah H., Exrs: son in law George Thompson and daughter Margaret. Wit. Thomas Thompson & John Cawthorn. This was difficult to determine exactly what the writer meant. (Granville Co NC Wills) Q. Who is this George & Thomas THOMPSON? Were they brothers? Father and son? Need the parents of George and Thomas THOMPSON. Any help appreciated..James Baker     per these rootsweb sites carter hudspeth was the son of ralph hudspeth/ mary carter and per the following will for sherwood harris/ jane hudspeth, ralph hudspeth witnessed his 1763 granville co, nc will.   From: "Ira L. Harris III" < [email protected]> Subject: [HH] Will of Sherwood Harris, Granville Co., N.C. Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:01:15 -0500 (CDT) Source:Abstracts of The Wills And Estate Records Of Granville County, North Carolina, 1746-1808 by Zae Hargett Gwynn Unrecorded Wills, 1746-1771, Page 20 June 15, 1763 --- proved August court 1763 on oath of Patrick Brady and Ralph Hudspeth. Jane Harris and Robert Harris qualified as exrs. Sherwood Harris wills to his son Sherwood Harris 160 acres of land which he bought of Jonothan White and also the plantation whereon Henry White formerly lived; to my daughter Mary Hix (Hicks), 100 acres --- part of a larger tract bought of Jonathan White, whereon her husband Absalom Hix now dwells; to my son-in-law Absalom Hix, all sums of money due me; to daughter Sarah Harris, a mare called Pheaby; to my son Sherwood harris, a black natural pacing mare, a saddle and bridle; to son John Harris, all my wearing apparel and a gun; to my daughter Jemima White, 5 shillings sterling of England; to my granddaughter Mercey White, 20 pds. when she arrive to age 18 or married; to Joshua Hays, 200 acres of the land I bought of Jonathan White on condition he pay 60 pds. to my executors on demand --- if he fails to do so, then the land sold; to wife Jane, a white horse which is now in possession of James Farguson, a side saddle, the best bed and furniture I have; to daughter Sarah Harris, a feather bed and furniture; to wife Jane all the other beds and bedding for use of my younger children: Ann and Elizabeth Harris, and also all my stock; to daughter Ann, a white horse I had of Gibson; all other estate sold and money devided to my three youngest children: Ann, Sherwood, and Elizabeth Harris; my executors to make good the deed for me of 320 acres on Fishing Creek bought of John Jones. Exrs: my wife Jane Harris, brother Robert Harris. Wts: Patrick Braddey, Ralph Hudspeth, William Hendren      to be continued:     belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8-------26910

i have also talked about this william harris/ mary of louisa/ goochland co, va whose son sherwood harris married hannah page and moved to granville co, va and i have posted info on harris hunters, including goochland co, va deeds showing that besides this sherwood harris, william harris/ mary also had a son gilliam harris and also this is stated to have been their daughter, agnes harris, who married john cawthon.   to repeat, i am a harris married to a cauthen and i do not know if my husband's cauthen line and family was related to this cawthon family of goochland/ hanover cos, va or not.   both my william harris/ judith hudson of brunswick/ lunenburg cos, va and this william harris/ mary of louisa/ goochland cos, va could NOT possibly be the sons, william, of our william harris/ mary giles.   it is my brother david harris who is participating in the harris dna project and this was my/ our william harris, sr/ frances goode who was the son of my/ our william harris/ judith hudson both of lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, va, confirmed, per the records, including, again, also this 1750 dodson survey for this land on wynn creek, and by our harris dna and, likewise, also confirmed by the records, including this brunswick co, va deed wherein my william harris/ judith hudson sold this land to stephen harris and, again, confirmed also by our harris dna this is/ was my/ our william harris/ judith hudson who was the son, william, of our william harris/ mary giles.   however, in my looking at this info re this william harris/ mary of louisa/ goochland co, va and his involved connections with our harris family and the cawthons, george alvis and his son, david alvis, there in hanover/ goochland cos, va, i have to agree with others i have and continue to correspond with re william harris/ mary of louisa/ goochland co, va that he is also related harris family re our captain thomas harris' line and family.   again, the only way that this william harris/ mary of louisa/ goochland cos, va could also be part of our captain thomas harris' harris line and family is that he was the son of our william harris/ mary giles' brother, edward harris and i would say probably also by his 1st wife, also named, mary.   this is also certainly indicated, again, by these hanover co, va records as, again, it was our william harris/ mary giles' brother, edward harris, who was more involved there in hanover co, va with david alvis and the crenshaws.  again, after our alice died, george alvis is stated to have married mary crenshaw.   here, again, is info, for example, from the st paul's vestry book connecting edward harris. brother of our william harrid/ mary giles with david alvis and william cawthon.   According to the St. Paul’s Vestry in 1735, Benjamin Johnson was assigned the tithables of John Price, Tho. Grant, Edward Harris, David Alvis, Tho Winpenney, Wm Hix, Wm Cawthon, Nich Gentry, John Ross and Laurence Forguson to clear the road. Also in 1735, Thomas Johnson was ordered to procession the lands of Benj. Johnson, Thos. Grant, John Price, John Williamson, & Cha. Anderson. The Harlows are not mentioned, but Thomas and Benjamin do seem to be living in the same area as in 1731. 1739 was the year of another similar processioning order.   again, here are also the henrico co, va deeds re our william harris/ mary giles (?) and his brother, edward harris, and his wife also named, mary, sons of our major william harris, by his 2nd wife, alice, who, again, remarried george alvis.  again, by his 1st wife, unknown, our major william harris also had a son thomas harris, who died unmarried and without issue in 1679 in henrico co, va.   (Henrico Co. Wills, Deeds, Etc., 1697-1704, p. 117 – Benjamin B. Weisiger III) EDWARD HARRIS OF NEW KENT CO., AND MARY HIS WIFE, for 32 lbs., to George Alvis of same, 360 acres on south side of James River, called “The Ware," part of 516 acres bequeathed to said Edward by will of HIS FATHER WILLIAM HARRIS, late of Henrico Co., dec’d, and since then confirmed to him by Col. William Byrd who had formerly purchased land by escheat, Edward Harris having formerly sold 150 acres to Edward Skerme. 7 Sept, 1698 Wit: Thom. (X) Ward, James (I) Prion (or Brion) /s/ Edward (EH) Harris, Mary (X) Harris. 1 Oct. 1698.   (Henrico Co., VA Deed & Will Bk. 1688-1697, p. 347) WILLIAM HARRIS, SON OF MAJ. WILLIAM HARRIS, DEC’D., for a tract of 250 acres, now conveyed to me by Hon. William Byrd, Esq., being that tract on south side of James River CALLED “THE WARE,” GIVE BY MAJ. HARRIS TO HIS SON THOMAS HARRIS, DEC’D, and since escheated to His Majesty, sells to said Byrd a tract also on south side of James River, PART OF A TRACT MAJ. HARRIS DIED SEIZED OF ON WARE RUN, 225 ACRES, 1 Oct. 1692. /s/ William Harris Wit: Wm. Soane, George Alves Rec: 1 Oct. 1692   (Henrico Co., VA Will & Deed Bk. 1799-1697, p. 505) 31 July 1694. WILLIAM HARRIS, SON OF MAJ. WILLIAM HARRIS, dec’d, now of St. Peters Parish, New Kent Co., carpenter, to Sarah Knibb, widow, of County & Parish of Henrico, for £51/10, land on south side of James River, BELOW A RUN CALLED THE WARE; BEING PART OF LAND MAJ. HARRIS DIED SEIZED OF, AND WAS PART GIVEN BY HIS WILL TO HIS SON THOMAS HARRIS, ALSO DEC’D, bounded by the river, land of Joseph Tanner, dec’d, Peter Ashbrook, road from The Falls to the Hundred, 250 acres, which land lately escheated to His Majesty and was conveyed by Hon. William Byrd to above William Harris. 1 Oct. 1692. /s/ William Harris Wit: George Alves, All. Clerke Mary Harris, wife of William Harris, appoints Allanson Clerk her attorney to relinquish her dower right in above land. 28 July 1694 Wit: George Alves, Alice (A) Alves   to repeat, those of us who descend from our captain thomas harris 1611 of jamestown and his son, our major william harris, who was killed by the indians in 1678 in henrico co, va, can only do so from either his son, our william harris/ mary giles or his brother edward harris, whose 1st wife, was also named mary and who re-married an elizabeth.   again, neither our william harris/ mary giles or his brother, edward harris left wills or estate records or if so, they have been destroyed or lost and the only way we are going to determine who their sons were is to look at and study the  info we do have re these connections and, again, confirmed also by our harris dna.   for now, i cannot say for sure that this william harris/ mary was a son or edward harris, brother of our william harris/ mary giles, only that this is what the info definitely indicates.   again, this sherwood harris of anson co, va was a son of william harris/ mary of louisa/ goochland co, va and, hopefully, a harris descendant of sherwood harris/ hannah page or his 2nd wife, elizabeth jones will be found to also participate in the harris dna project.   to be continued:   belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8-------26910 to._,_.___        

i also want it to be noted that in 1751 that edward harris was enumerated in lydall bacon's district per these lunenburg co, va tithe lists.    these connections re lydall bacon and his daughter lucy bacon's marriage to charles allen, jr re my/ our harris family are not just more involved there in this lunenburg co, va area but, again, also on into laurens co, sc.   again, i have talked about this also on harris hunters but to remention just briefly for now, this was my william harris, jr/ frances rodgers son john l. harris in laurens co, sc who married mary/ polly allen, daughter of charles allen, jr/ lucy bacon, who had also moved there, of course, also from lunenburg co, va.   i also want it to be noted that in 1751 john wilborn was also living in lydall bacon's district and, again, i have talked abou this also on harris hunters that both my william harris, sr/ frances goode and his father my william harris/ judith hudson were involved with the will and estate of john wilborn/ judith from 1757-1762 there in lunenburg co, va.   again, the same william hudson, who,  like my william harris, sr/ frances goode, was one of the executors of my william harris/ judith hudson's will and also the same william hudson who my william harris, sr/ frances goode sold land to in 1759 there in lunenburg co, va was the same william hudson who also moved to laurens / edgefield cos, sc.   again, per a laurens co, sc deed i have cited in the past, william hudson gave land in laurens co, sc and rutherford co, nc to his son-in-laws and his daughters:  james pool/ ursula hudson; william wilborn; cary hudson; and jeremiah wilborn/ polly hudson.   james pool married ursula hudson in 1782 in mecklenburg co, va and this was his brother alexander pool/ angelina crowder who also witnessed my william harris/ judith hudson's 1778 mecklenburg co, va will.   neither john wilborn's wife or his children were named in his 1757 lunenburg co, va will but a lunenburg co, va deed shows that john wilborn's wife was named judith and the records of lunenburg co, va show that john wilborn/ judith had a son thomas wilborn, who was bound out to william cox and a daughter susannah wilborn who was bound out either to my william harris, sr/ frances goode or to my william harris/ judith hudson.   again, despite being bound out to william cox, thomas wilborn continued to live in this same woodpecker/ bluestone creek area as my william harris/ judith hudson and to be involved there with the same individuals and families.   these lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, va records show that this william hudson was the brother or 1/2 brother of my judith hudson harris, children of my peter hudson, sr who died in 1752 in halifax co, va.   what also confirms this besides, again, all of these other connections and the fact that william hudson was named a son in our peter hudson, sr's will, is that i am recently corresponding with someone who descends from william wilborn/ cary hudson, who died in edgefield co, sc, and they named a son peter hudson wilborn.   i am obviously also hopeful that we are going to be able to figure out how his william wilborn/ cary hudson were also related to john wilborn/ judith and their son, thomas wilborn also there in lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, va because this is certainly what this info and these connections do show.   1751 sun005.txt - (Part 5) 1751 Tithe List Lydall Bacon's list Edward Harriss ............................................. 1  ************************** ________________________________________ Xpher  [Christopher] Johnson ................................ 1 Wm. Lidderdale  ............................................. 2 John Wilborn  ............................................... 1 Edward Davis  ............................................... 1 John Thompson  .............................................. 1 Richd. Thompson  ............................................ 1 Wm. Hagood and son John  ............................................. 2  ____________________________________________       to be continued:     belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8--------26910

to continue with these  brunswick/ louisa co, va deeds re my william harris/ judith hudson to stephen harris and also re edward harris to this other william harris/ mary also of louisa/ goochland co, va, again, these deeds are written in a distinct, florid style and it also shows that the same person who wrote the deeds also signed these deeds, although seals were also used.   this is also very important because, again, our edward harris there in louisa co, va's wife  was named ann, which i have just shown, per the previous louisa co, va deed, re edward harris, ann, to william watkins.   page 369-70. Jan 5, 1749/50. Ed. HARRIS of Louisa CO and wife Anne to Wm. WATKINS of Hanover CO, 80 lbs, 150 ac and plantation on Cub Creek. Wm. HARRIS' corner, prt of 400 a grant to wm. HARRIS, dec'd father of sd. Ed. HARRIS, by patent 3/24/1725. Signed: Edward and Anne HARRIs. Wit: John SNEAD, Miles BURFORd, Saml. SNEAD, Isreal SNEAD, 3/27/1750 proven.   again, there is still the question/ issue whether this edward harris/ ann there in louisa co, va was the same edward harris, ann, who was also in lunenburg/ charlotte co, va and i am going to re-post this post by pat clare/ pat mason harris and myself also talking about this.    it would seem to me that we need, as pat says here, to get an actual copy of this 1766 charlotte co, va deed to see whether edward harris did sign this deed OR maybe one has to come to the conclusion that things cannot be determined if someone is the same person whether someone signed a deed or not because some times they may have actually signed deeds and other times not.    we  also have a limited number of choices as to who this edward harris, wife, ann, was also in lunenburg/ charlotte co, va and whose harris descendants are also a harris dna match with our harris dna group 8.    again, he is either has to be the same edward harris, who was the son of our william harris/ mary giles who was also there in louisa co, va and who, like his brother, my william harris/ judith hudson, moved to lunenburg co, va or this edward harris has to be the son of our william harris/ mary giles' brother, edward harris.   these are the only two choices we have as to who this edward harris/ ann was in lunenburg/ charlotte co, va.   since, again, as pat talks about here, this was our willam harris/ mary giles' brother, edward harris and/ or his harris family in amelia/ prince edward co, va, the info, per these records, and logic itself would certainly seem to say and show that this was my william harris/ judith hudson's brother, edward harris/ ann, who had followed him there also to lunenburg co, va.   again, both decendants of edward harris of amelia co, va and of edward harris of lunenburg/ charlotte co, va are a harris dna group 8 match with us but, again, it was also edward harris, sr of lunenburg/ charlotte co, va whose sons stephen harris and edward harris, jr, who, again, also, like my harris and goode family, also moved to laurens co, sc.   On Mon, 11/17/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Edward Harris To: [email protected] Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 2:01 PM In a message dated 11/17/2008 2:26:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: and who, again, is/ was this edward harris, sr in lunenburg/ charlotte co, va whose sons stephen harris and edward harris, jr also moved to laurens co, sc? are we still trying to figure out who this edward harris, sr was and when do we think this edward harris, sr was born, etc? _____________________ The evidence is circumstantial that the Edward on Twitty's Creek COULD be the son of William Harris/Mary said to be Giles. The descendants of that William are testing to Group 8 DNA. Edward Harris of Louisa had a wife Ann, and he lived in the traditional area given to Group 8 on Cub Creek. He sells out in 1749 in the part of Louisa that was Cub Creek, and by 1751, an Edward Harris is in Lunenburg. The one there has a wife Ann and lives on Reece's Fork of Twitty's Creek, with proven Group 8 descendants. Davis, Rosalie E. Louisa County, Virginia Deed Books A-B. Bellevue , Wash. : Davis , 1976 Book A, p. 369-370, 5 Jan 1749 (1750) Edward Harris of Louisa Co., and his wife, Anne, to William Watkins of Hanover Co. £80 current money. 150 acres and plantation on Cub Creek…William Harris’ corner; part of 400 acres granted ***William Harris, the deceased father of said Edward Harris, *** by patent 24 Mar 1725. Edward (H) Harris ***Anne (X) Harris Wit: John Snead, Miles Burford, Saml. Snead , Israel Snead. 27 Mar 1750 proved by oaths of Miles Burford, Samuel Snead and Israel Snead. Anne Harris acknowledged deed. By 1751, an Edward Harris is on Lydall Bacon's tax list: From Sunlight on the Southside: 1751 sun005.txt - (Part 5) 1751 Tithe List Lydall Bacon's list Edward Harriss ............................................. 1 ************************** ________________________________________ Xpher [Christopher] Johnson ................................ 1 Wm. Lidderdale ............................................. 2 John Wilborn ............................................... 1 Edward Davis ............................................... 1 John Thompson .............................................. 1 Richd. Thompson ............................................ 1 Wm. Hagood and son John ............................................. 2 ____________________________________________________________ 1766 noted with wife Ann: Nance, Joanne Lovelace. Charlotte County , Virginia 1765-1771 Deed Books 1 and 2. Charlottesville , Va. : N.W. Lapin Press, 1990. Bk 1, p. 123 84. p. 123. __ ___ 1766. Edward Harris of Cornwall Parish ***Charlotte Co. to Henry Isbell of same, for 30 pounds, 100 acres in Charlotte on Reads Fork.// All waterways and appurtenances. ***Ann, wife of Edward Harris, mentioned. Signed: Edwd. Harris Witness: none Recorded: 7 Oct 1766 Someone would have to look at original records to see if Edward Harris marked or signed on the last deed. Whoever he is, he has Group 8 descendants. The other Edward Harris who is testing Group 8 lived on both sides of Harris Creek off the Appomatox River in now Prince Edward, formerly Amelia, VA near Abraham Venable and died ca 1747. According to the donor information, that Edward Harris was the one born ca 1675 married to his last wife, Unity. That family through the son Nathaniel Harris went to Rockingham/Orange NC and can be followed. Other parts of that family went to the area of Lexington, KY. to be continued: belva harris cauthenharris dna group 8--------26910      

hello    this is partly in reply to sarah's  recent post re her claiborne harris in anson co, nc and whether he was the son of my william harris/ judith hudson of lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, va, but i have other things to talk about as well.   i have, of course, been on harris hunters now for quite some time talking about that the records show and confirm that it was my william harris, sr/ frances goode who was the son, william, of my william harris/ judith hudson, who died in 1778 in mecklenburg co, va.   again, besides the fact that my william harris, sr/ frances goode was named as his son in my william harris/ judith hudson's 1778 mecklenburg co, va will and all the other connections i have talked about relative to this, there is also this 1750 dodson survey for the land on wynn creek for my william harris/ judith hudson and my william harris, sr/ france goode, which became a patent to my william harris, sr/ frances goode in 1758, which he sold, per several halifax co, va deeds, to john camp.   again we are participating in the harris dna project and my brother david harris is a match with those in harris dna group 8, tracing back to our captain thomas harris 1611 of jamestown and his son, our major william harris, who was killed by the indians in 1678 in henrico co, va.   sarah, your harris cousin is a match, as you say, with harris dna group 4. again, we are in harris dna group 8.   i am not going to go into all of this again either but the info definitely shows that those of us who descend from our captain thomas harris and his son, our major william harris, who was killed by the indians in 1678 in henrico co, va, would do so by our major william harris' 2nd wife, alice, and their sons, our william harris/ mary giles b ca 1672 and his brother, edward harris b ca 1674.    again, our alice, widow of our major william harris, remarried george alvis and moved with him and our william harris/ mary giles (?) and brother edward harris, whose 1st wife was also named mary, to new kent/ hanover co, va.   i believe that the records, again, show, and confirmed by our harris dna, that despite what has been written in the past, and will say more about this, that it was my william harris/ judith hudson who was the son of our william harris/ mary giles.   in the past and even in the recent past, it has been said and believed that it was this william harris/ mary also of louisa and goochland cos, va who was the son of our william harris/ mary giles and-----    in fact, speaking of------ this was also this william harris/ mary's son, sherwood harris/ hannah page of goochland co, va, who was in anson co, nc-------NOT the sherwood harris, who was the son of my william harris/ judith hudson.   again, re my willliam harris/ judith hudson of brunswick/ lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, va and this william harris/ mary of louisa/ goochland co, va and as i have also talked about and posted also before on harris hunters, there are these two very relevant and pertinent louisa co, va  deeds.   again, at the same time in 1743 that edward harris sold land in louisa co, va to this william harris/ mary also of louisa/ goochland co, va, my william harris/ judith hudson, who were in 1743 in brunswick co, va, which becamed lunenburg co, va by 1746, sold land also in louisa co, va to stephen harris of st martin's parish in hanover co, va .    this stephen harris is also shown to have been a son of our william harris/ mary giles and there are also descendants of stephen harris who are also participating in our harris dna project and who, again, are a harris group 8 dna match.   some one recently found these deeds at the library there in richmond and sent me actual copies of these louisa co, va deeds re edward harris to william harris/ mary also of louisa/ goochland co, va and also re my william harris/ judith hudson of brunswick co, va to stephen harris of hanover co, va.   these deeds are written in a somewhat florid style and, for me, not easy to read both for the style of writing and/ or the language used but i am going to talk about the things that are easily seen and can be noted.   first of all, the 1743 deed re my william harris/ judith hudson to stephen harris does say for sure that he was of brunswick co, va.     my william harris/ judith hudson sold his 62 acres there in louisa co, va to stephen harris of st martin's parish, hanover co, va on the 3rd day of august in 1743 and edward harris sold the 50 acres to the william harris/ mary of louisa/ goochland co, va on the 5th day of august in 1743.   although edward harris sold his land to william harris on august 5th and my william harris/ judith hudson sold the land to stephen harris on august 3rd, it was edward harris' deed which was recorded first on pages 105 and 106 and my william harris/ judith hudson's deed to stephen harris was recorded on pages 107 and 108 and these are subsequent deeds.   again, the fact that these are subsequent deeds to me is definitely significant.   the deed re edward harris to william harris does mention that it begins at Dabney's corner white oak, etc, and deed does say that it is where edward harris "now liveth".  there are no witnesses to edward harris' sale to william harris.    both of these tracts of land are said to have been in the parish of fredericksville in the county of louisa and the deed re my william harris/ judith hudson to stephen harris says:  bounded as follows by beginning at a corner of several ? white oak saplings running? north 45 degrees....   i cannot see that either one of these deeds state that this land was on cubb creek but the  1749 louisa co, va deed re our edward harris, wife, ann, to william watkins, cited below, states not only that edward harris was the son of our william harris/ mary giles, but that his land was on cubb creek.     the deed re my william harris/ judith hudson to stephen harris was witnessed by richard henderson; james woody; and john adams, his mark.   again, the following louisa co, va deeds also place this same richard henderson and this same john adams in this same cubb creek area and involved there also with our harris family on cubb creek.     Book: A, Page: 15, Grantor: Laurence Redman, Grantee: John Foster, Date:  [14 Feb 1742 (1743)] Laurence Redman of Fredericksville par. Louisa Co., Planter, to John Foster of same, Planter. For 2,500 pounds lawful, sweet scented tobacco. 104 acres on both sides of Cubb Creek, Fredericksville Par. adj. William Harris; line. Sig. Laurence Redman. Wit. Ballard Smith, James Goodall, John Adams, William Morrell. Proved by oaths of Thomas Ballard Smith, James Goodall and John Adams. Mary, his wife relinquished right of dower.     Book: A, Page: 283, Grantor: Shirwood Harris, Grantee: Nelson Anderson, Date: 05-Feb-1746 Shirwood Harris of St. Paul 's Par. Hanover Co. to Nelson Anderson of St. Paul 's Par. Hanover Co. +56 for 252 acres land and plantation, purchased of John Foster by deed 13 Feb 1743 on both sides of Cub Creek in Fredericksville Par. adjoining William Harris, crossing Cubb Creek. all tract of land joining purchased by said Harris of Richard Henderson by deed 7 Apr 1745 adjoining Wm. Adam's corner, Joseph East's line, David Harris' line, Sherwood Harris corner, Timberlake's line. Shirwood Harris Wit: Barttelot Anderson, Richd. Bickering, William Thompson. 26 May 1747 acknowledged by Shirwood Harris.   we have not been able to learn who this sherwood harris was but this david harris named here, also, per this deed, was david harris/ jane landy richardson and, again, the harris descendants of david harris/ jane landy richardson are also a match with our harris dna group 8 and my brother david harris.   also, again, both edward harris/ ann and david harris/ jane landy richardson, per these cubb creek louisa co, va deeds, are stated to have been the sons of our william harris/ mary giles, who we no longer believe may have been a giles but, again, does distinguish this william harris from all the other william harrises one could be talking about.     page 369-70. Jan 5, 1749/50. Ed. HARRIS of Louisa CO and wife Anne to Wm. WATKINS of Hanover CO, 80 lbs, 150 ac and plantation on Cub Creek. Wm. HARRIS' corner, prt of 400 a grant to wm. HARRIS, dec'd father of sd. Ed. HARRIS, by patent 3/24/1725. Signed: Edward and Anne HARRIs. Wit: John SNEAD, Miles BURFORd, Saml. SNEAD, Isreal SNEAD, 3/27/1750 proven.  Louisa Co. Book A, p. 256-257. 20 Oct 1746 David Harris of St. Martins Par., Hanover Co., to Israel Snead of same. 65 lbs.  253 acres on south side of Cubb Creek, part of a tract to William Harris by patent 24 March 1725.  David Harris. Wit:  John Pryor; John Sneed; Stephen (S) Harris.   to be continued:     belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8-------26910

Sandra Hart wrote about her California Harrises: Message: 1 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 08:38:46 -0800 From: Sandra Hart <[email protected]> Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Dr. Ephraim Drake Harris, Sr To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes I am looking for information about Dr. Ephraim Drake Harris, Sr. He was born ~1816 in NC and died Nov 21, 1865 in Santa Rosa, Sonoma Co, CA. His first wife may have been Martha E. Smith. They had a son, Morgan C (born ~1841 in MO). In 1850, he was a widower, living with his son in Cass Co, MO. He came to CA by wagon train in the early 1850s, settling in Mendocino Co. He married his second wife, Sarah Ann Hardin there and they had two additional children: Sarah Henne (1854-1868) and Ephraim Drake, Jr. (1860-11911). After Dr Harris' death, his widow Sarah Ann remarried my GGgrandfather, Benjamin Wesley Hunt. They had several more children, living in Blucher Valley, Mendocino, Analy, and Santa Rosa in CA until their deaths. I have found a number of men in the late 1890s and early 1900s living in CA with similar names who might have been somehow related, but I haven't tried very hard to track them down because I have no idea how they might have been related (e.g., Ephraim Drake Harris, a priest, Drake Edwin Harris, Ira Drake Harris). I also found an Ephraim D. Harris listed in the Surviving Soldiers, Sailors, and Marines, and Widows, etc section of the 1890 Census of Washington, Laclede, MO (yes, 1890 - - the first time I've ever found anything in the 1890 census!). He was listed as a Private in Company C, 110th IL regiment in the infantry. He enlisted Aug 4, 1863 and was discharged Sep 30, 1864. I don't think this was my man, however, as mine was probably living in California with his wife and children during the Civil War. Also, it seems off to me that a 40-year-old physician would have enlisted as a private. I assume that these Edwin/Ephraim/Edwin Drake Harrises must have been given family names and were associated with the same Harris family. Can anyone identify this family? My response: I cannot answer your Harris questions. However, many local genealogical societies--for a donation--will research your question(s). But you have to determine these facts first: 1) Does that county where you are searching have a genealogical/historical society? 2) What records for that county or those counties exist, perhaps on film at the Family History Library in Salt Lake City? Let those lists of topics for each county be your guideline. I did some preliminary research of the availability of records of Santa Rosa and of Sonoma Co., California by using the Family History Library Catalog on _www.familysearch.org_ (http://www.familysearch.org) I clicked on the tab labeled Library and then clicked on the last item--Catalog. Then I did a PLACE search for both counties. There are quite a variety of records [films mostly] for both of those counties. You might like to have someone local take a look at the voter registrations for those counties. Some of us still like to do research the old fashioned way--by writing letters and asking about researchers, etc. There are a number of professional genealogists who are headquartered in or around Salt Lake City Utah, but it may be well to start at the California county level. That is, write to the local California genealogical society [the internet may produce some addresses] and asking about whether anyone in that county is willing to undertake some research for you. Just remember these members do not do this for free as there is generally travel and parking, etc. to pay for, plus photocopying. Ask about fees. William Dollarhide, professional genealogist and author, reminds us that in the early years of this country, about 90% of the white population owned land, and he is great on land records. I personally favor those records also, but probates are not to be overlooked. Tax records are good. A friend of mine, a librarian-author-lecturer, tells me when she goes to the FH Library in Salt Lake City, she seeks out genealogies and county histories. More and more county histories are being put on the internet--I use HeritageQuest through my local library--so don't overlook those resources. They are frequently flawed but still useful. I have found some *goodies* which broke down brick walls for me by using old county histories!!! Just check the *facts* given in those volumes against the official records, if at all possible. I wish you luck in your search for early Californians. One has to keep in mind that California belonged to the Spanish and then the Mexican government (and even Russia in northern Calfironia). By the way, some of the early Anglo residents of California kept miscellaneous personal and business records. The Universities in California, as well as the Sutro Library in San Francisco, may have some of these manuscripts, account books, etc. I hope this helps. E.W.Wallace **************Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004)

I have been reviewing the information on the Sherwood Harris that died in Anson County N. C. in 1805 and who supposedly had 3 or maybe two wives. What proof is there that he was born in 1733? Is there a tombstone in Anson Co. that says that, a family Bible? or is this just someone's supposition from perhaps a census that they surmise is the same Sherwood who died in 1805? Does anyone know for sure what DNA group he is in? Since my Claiborne Harris was in Anson Co. and also in Marshall Co. MS where there was a Sherwood who is thought to be the son of this Sherwood, then it is possible that they are related--perhaps brothers? I have thought perhaps that my Claiborne was son of William and Judith Hudson Harris because of similar names that I have of Claiborne's children. However if Sherwood (N. C. d. 1805) was born in 1733 and I'm pretty certain that my Claiborne was born around 1760 that means that Judith would have been bearing children for 30 years or more since the Claiborn in the William Harris will is about the 3rd child from the youngest. Does anyone have proof of the dates of Judith and/or William's birthdates? We know that William died 1778(I don't have the will before me so it may have been 1779 and Judith in 1799. Also Sherwood wasn't the first child of William and Judith. If anyone can shed light on this I'd appreciate it. I know from experience with my old Claiborne (d. 1833) that one can get the Claiborne's mixed up. (Kathryn Wiggins did) My Claiborne had a Claiborne born 1797/98, Old Claiborne's son James had a son named Claiborne and old Claiborne's son Dorrel Young Harris had a son Stephen Claiborne named after his two brothers (Stephen and Claiborne--or perhaps his father and brother) Old Claiborne's grandson died in 1853, the son Claiborne died after 1870. Because of all these that can be mixed up I am thinking that perhaps the Claiborne Harris who married Sally Hudson in 1789? (again I'm not looking at my papers) may have been the grandson of William and Judith Hudson Harris. I don't think anyone knows whether this Sally (Sarah) Hudson was related to Judith or not. There is also a James who had a son Claiborne in Warren Co. N. C. who might possibly be the son of William and Judith Harris since James was one of the older sons who was already out of the nest by the time the will was made. This James might possibly be the brother of my Claiborne. If we could know for sure that William was in Group 4 then all this might fit. I know that William/Judith Hudson Harris are thought to be in group 8 but is this positive or just supposition. Anyway, if someone knows for sure that this Sherwood was born in 1805 please let me know how you know. Thanks, Sarah Harris Andrews Group 4 ____________________________________________________________ Thinking of a life with religion? Click here to find a religious school near you. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTOlOv7C1O9mjBAzUf3GpGWL9hDapnA0IEu7e0qQXRZNKAic3XcIhy/

I am looking for information about Dr. Ephraim Drake Harris, Sr. He was born ~1816 in NC and died Nov 21, 1865 in Santa Rosa, Sonoma Co, CA. His first wife may have been Martha E. Smith. They had a son, Morgan C (born ~1841 in MO). In 1850, he was a widower, living with his son in Cass Co, MO. He came to CA by wagon train in the early 1850s, settling in Mendocino Co. He married his second wife, Sarah Ann Hardin there and they had two additional children: Sarah Henne (1854-1868) and Ephraim Drake, Jr. (1860-11911). After Dr Harris' death, his widow Sarah Ann remarried my GGgrandfather, Benjamin Wesley Hunt. They had several more children, living in Blucher Valley, Mendocino, Analy, and Santa Rosa in CA until their deaths. I have found a number of men in the late 1890s and early 1900s living in CA with similar names who might have been somehow related, but I haven't tried very hard to track them down because I have no idea how they might have been related (e.g., Ephraim Drake Harris, a priest, Drake Edwin Harris, Ira Drake Harris). I also found an Ephraim D. Harris listed in the Surviving Soldiers, Sailors, and Marines, and Widows, etc section of the 1890 Census of Washington, Laclede, MO (yes, 1890 - - the first time I've ever found anything in the 1890 census!). He was listed as a Private in Company C, 110th IL regiment in the infantry. He enlisted Aug 4, 1863 and was discharged Sep 30, 1864. I don't think this was my man, however, as mine was probably living in California with his wife and children during the Civil War. Also, it seems off to me that a 40-year-old physician would have enlisted as a private. I assume that these Edwin/Ephraim/Edwin Drake Harrises must have been given family names and were associated with the same Harris family. Can anyone identify this family?

Does anyone have any information on Anita Margaret Harris who was born in May 1919 in Milton, Umatilla County, Oregon. She is the daughter of George Hugh Harris and Millie Hunter. I would specifically like to know if she married and had children. Would also like to know when and where she died. Thanks ~ Gloria **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe bemailfooterNO62)

George H. Harris & Minnie Hunter married 13 Feb 1897 in Walla Walla Co., Washington. Their marriage was announced in the Milton Eagle Newspaper. The newspaper announcement says that George & Minnie were married by Father Eagan, Minister of the Gospel and the witnesses were Mrs. E. M. Davis & Mrs. Eagan. I would like to learn more about this "Father Eagan" in hopes that I can locate the church that George & Minnie were married in...can someone please help me? Thank you ~ Gloria **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1218550342x1201216770/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe bemailfooterNO62)

See subject above. Then try this URL for a little history/geography lesson _http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kyfayett/varoots.htm_ (http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kyfayett/varoots.htm) No wonder we cannot find ALL our ancestors. Some of mine just parachuted into Kentucky and South Carolina!!! Now I wonder if they are *lost* in Botetourt Co., or perhaps Augusta Co, VA E.W.Wallace **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000002)

I have just transcribed an application for bounty land by a sister of Lt. Arthur Harris, who served in the Maryland Continental Line during the Revolutionary War. Included is a copy of Arthur Harris's will dated 10 Mar 1787 naming his brothers and sisters. The transcription should be available tomorrow [10 Feb] or the next day at _www.southerncampaign.org/pen_ (http://www.southerncampaign.org/pen) listed in the index as "Arthur Harris BLWt1271-200." I believe Harris served at the Battle of Camden in South Carolina. If anyone has any information on his service, please let me know. Leon Harris **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1218550342x1201216770/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe bemailfooterNO62)

again, i have recently been on harris hunters talking about the our new harris group 8 dna match and how this definitely relates to my own specific harris line and family not just there in gwinnett and paulding cos, ga but also back to laurens co, sc and, finally, also to my william harris, sr/ frances goode and my william harris/ judith hudson  in lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, va.   so, i want to finish talking about and showing this information.   to recap, several children of alexander rutledge/ elizabeth miller married the children of william harris/ lucinda rawlins there in gwinnett co, ga and our new harris group 8 dna match descends from william harris/ lucinda rawlins there in gwinnett co, ga.   the info shows that joseph rutledge, who had moved to gwinnett co, ga from abbeville co, sc and who was the father of alexander rutledge/ elizabeth miller, was the uncle of william rutledge who owned land that bordered abbeville and laurens co, sc.    the info shows that larkin gaines witnessed william rutleges' 1823 laurens co, sc will and that both larkin gaines and possibly my archibald harris/ elizabeth carter, and, again, i do not know another archibald harris who would have been in laurens co, sc, were purchasers at elizabeth simmons walker's 1821 laurens co, sc estate sale.   the following laurens co, sc deed shows that aaron crump sold land to william rutledge there in laurens co, sc that bordered on allen mitchell.  then, the following deed shows that william wilborn sold land to allen mitchell.   william wilborn and his brother, jeremiah wilborn, and james pool were the son-in-laws of william hudson, who was the son also of our peter hudson, sr and 1/2 brother of my judith hudson harris and who, again, was one of the executors, along with my william harris, sr/ frances goode, his brother reuben harris, and mark moore of my william harris/ judith hudson's 1778 mecklenburg co, va will.   again, the following laurens co, sc deed shows that william hudson gave land there in laurens co, sc  and rutherford co, nc to his son-in-laws: james poole; william wilborn; and jeremiah wilborn.   again, the info shows that james pool married ursula hudson, daughter of william hudson in 1782 in mecklenburg co, va and although i cannot confirm, william wilborn and his brother, jeremiah wilborn, are definitely indicated to have been related to john wilborn/ judith and their son, thomas wilborn who continued to live in this woodpecker creek/ bluestone creek area near my william harris/ judith hudson.   again, both my william harris, sr/ frances goode and my william harris/ judith hudson were involved with the will and estate of john wilborn/ judith from 1757-1761 there in lunenburg co, va.   this was also james pool's brother alexander pool who witnessed my william harris/ judith hudson's 1778 mecklenburg co, va will.   again, as shown, per these lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, va deeds, my william harris, sr/ frances goode sold land to john smith, which was witnessed by benjamin ragsdale and abraham crowder.   the records of mecklenburg co, va show that alexander pool and his brother james pool, sons of an alexander pool, who died in 1767 in mecklenburg co, va, were bound out to benjamin ragsdale and richard ragsdale.   the info also shows that alexander pool married angelina crowder, daughter of dr abraham crowder. the lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, va deeds show that both my william harris, sr/ frances goode and his brother james harris were involved with this same abraham crowder family.   finally, this mecklenburg co, va deed shows that both abraham crowder, sr and jr and james harris, who is also definitely indicated to have been the brother of my william harris, sr/ frances goode and also son of my william harris/ judith hudson, witnessed the mecklenburg co, va deed re mark moore to thomas spain.   again, mark moore, who, again, was also an executor of my william harris/ judith hudson's 1778 mecklenburg co, va will, married rachel ragsdale, daughter of benjamin ragsdale, and  moved with this brother-in-law, peter ragsdale, also to laurens co, sc and laurens co, sc  and, again, deeds i have posted in the past shows that peter ragsdale and mark moore were also involved with my william harris, jr/ frances rodgers and our mackerness goode, sr or jr also in laurens co, sc.   this was also peter ragsdale's son, elijah ragsdale, who moved to paulding co, ga and who was also involved with my james harris/ anne cooper also there in paulding co, ga.   by showing these connections re the rutledge family with their william harris/ lucinda rawlins there in gwinnett co, ga, again, on back to laurens co, sc and finally, as i have  just shown, back to lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, va totally confirms as i have talked about for  a long time now on harris hunters my own harris family connections.   sorry, to say, however what i cannot do is to say who the father of their william harris/ lucinda rawlins was and how they  seemingly relate to my specific harris line and family but i would suggest that they keep looking at my specific harris line and family to perhaps  and hopefully make a definite connection.   24 Sept. 1813 Aaron Crump sold 133 ac. to William Rutledge for $300. as above adjoining Josiah Box, Cornelius Cook. Wit. Allen Mitchell, Ira Arnold,. Rhoda Crump, wife of Aaron released dower, 24 Sept. 1813. Proven 24 Sept. 1813. Laurens Co. S.C. Deed Book,J,P. 214.    Laurens Co, SC Deed Book J 279  12/21/1810  11/17/1812. Wm. Wilborne of Edgefield Dist. to Wm. Arnold of Laurens Co, SC for $200. 100 a. on Beaverdam Cr. of Reedy R., b. on Allen Mitchell, part of tr. sold by Reubin Pyles to Wm. Hathorn, Wit: John Thomas, Benjn. Arnold. D.R. of Cary Wilborn by John Lyon, Qm. of Edgefield Dist. Jonthn. Downs, J.Q.   again, william wilborne, who married cary hudson; his brother, jeremiah wilborn, who married mary/ polly hudson and james pool, who married ursula hudson were all son-in-laws of william hudson, who moved from lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, va to laurens co, sc.   laurens co, sc deed book J, page 146, 1809, william hudson to my son-in-law james pool and dau ursula; my son-in-law william wilborn and my dau cary; my son-in-law jeremiah wilborn and dau polly of edgefield dist, sc 1--two tracts on the beaverdam creek of reedy river; 2- two other tracts in rutherford co, nc on simms creek of little broad river.  wit:  anderson crowder, joseph field. john lyon, j.q.e.d.   it was this james pool's brother, alexander pool, who also witnessed my william harris/ judith hudson's 1778 mecklenburg co, va will and this is defiitely indicated, again, to have been the william hudson, who was the 1/2 brother of my judith hudson harris and who, along with my william harris, sr/ frances goode and his brother reuben harris and also mark moore, who were the executors, as shown of my william harris/ judith hudson's will.    again, the lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, va info shows that both my william harris, sr/ frances goode and william harris/ judith hudson lived in cornelius cargill's district in 1749 / 1750 , which is the area which became halifax co, va.   then, both moved over to the bluestone creek area of lunenburg co, va, which became mecklenburg co, va in 1765.   whereas my william harris/ judith hudson lived in the woodpecker/ bluestone creek area, my william harris, sr/ frances goode lived in the middle fork of the bluestone creek area where he is shown to have consistently bought and sold land there and to have lived.   in fact, this was my william harris, sr/ frances goode who sold land in this same middle fork area  of the bluestone area to william hudson.   lunenburg co, va deed book 5, page 508, 1759, william harris of lunenburg co, va to william hudson of same for 30 pds, 100 acres on the lower side of the middle fork of bluestone creek, part of 2 tracts granted to henry thweatt and part to william harris 1749, being on william hunt's corner and the land william harris lives on.  wit:  christopher hudson; joel elam.    here again is the info showing that james pool and his brother, alexander pool were bound out to the ragsdales and also that alexander pool witnessed our william harris/ judith hudson's 1778 mecklenburg co, va will.   again, this info is from the mecklenburg co, va court records:   Alexander Poole, s/o Alexander Poole, bound out to Richard Ragsdale, 1767 Alexander Poole's estate sale money to go to Churchwardens, St.James Par. 1770   James Poole, orphan of Alexander Pool, bound out to Benjamin Ragsdale, 1770; to be bound out again 1776 by Ch'ward.   per the marriage records of mecklenburg co, va, alexander pool, son also of alexander pool and brother of james pool, married in 1790 mecklenburg co, va to angelina crowder, who, per the info was the daughter of dr abraham crowder, jr.        Mecklenburg Co, Va Marriages:           Alexander Pool m. Angelina CROWDER 11-Oct-1790. Marriage bond 11-Oct-1790, surety by Thomas NORMENT.    Source: Early Wills, 1765-1799 Mecklenburg County, Virginia Compiled by Katherine B. Elliott South Hill, Virginia Will Book 1, page 297 Will: William Harris Dated September 19, 1778; Recorded June 14, 1779 Names: Wife - Judith Harris Children: Peter Harris, William Harris, James Harris, Sherwood Harris, Reuben Harris, Charles Harris, Samuel Harris, John Harris, Claiborne Harris, Robert Harris, Martha Harris. Specific bequests made to all children. All remainder of estate, both real and personal to wife Judith Harris. Executors: Sons William Harris and Reuben Harris, William Hudson and Mark Moore. Witnesses: Richard Ragsdale, Alexander Poole, and Mark Moore.     finally here are the lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, va deeds also showing that both my william harris, sr/ frances goode and his brother james harris, sons of our william harris/ judith hudson, were involved there with mark moore and the same crowder family.   lunenburg co, va deed book 6, page 528, 1761, william harris of lunenburg co, va to john smith of amelia co, va for 200 pds, 400 acres on both sides of the middle fork of the bluestone creek and bounded by new lines.  signed:  william harriss.  witnesses:  abram crowder; peter hamlin, his mark; benjamin ragsdale.  frances, wife of william harris, relinquished her right of dower.   mecklenburg co, va deed book 6, page 462, 1784, mark moore of mecklenburg co, va to thomas spain of dinwiddie co, va for 500 pds, 220 acres in mecklenburg co, va bounded by the lower side of woodpecker creek joining hasting;  thomas wilborne; jeremiah lamkin; wade; coleman; jefferies and the said lucas.  signed:  mark moore.  witnesses:  thomas berry; abram crowder; james harris; abram crowder, jr.     so, again,  it is very interesting and actually downright amazing that this same rutledge family involved with our latest harris dna group 8 dna match's ancestor william harris/ lucinda rawlins there in gwinnett  co, ga , on back to laurens co, sc, and finally on back to lunenburg/ mecklenburg co, va would totally confirm my own specific harris line and family.   sorry, to say, again, i cannot identify their william harris/ lucinda rawlins' father or say how they were definitely related to my specific harris line and family but these connections would indicate to me that they may be part of my specific harris line and family but i just do not know how?     belva harris cauthen harris dna group 8 ---------26910