Hi, all, I have always appreciated Evelyn's generosity in sharing her research, but I believe I have a few items she may not have run across that may clarify what I believe to have been two different Benjamin Harrises, one who died an older man in 1762, and the other a quite young man in 1765, both in Louisa Co., VA. I am currently working on compiling the records of both men, concentrating on the elder Benjamin first. Due to my working full-time (how inconvenient!), plus the fact that I have discovered that I have a lot more documentation than I had thought, this little project is taking me longer than I had expected. Sometime in the next few days, I will begin to post all the documents, with sources, for both Benjamins. As Evelyn does, I request that anyone sharing the information please cite the proper sources that I will be giving (and there will be quite a number, not just on the Harrises but on other Virginia families of this area that are historically important to place, as well.) More to come! Everyone have a great day. Pam

Following up on Evelyn's notes, I have been researching this Harris family for many, many years using Ancestry, rootsweb, genealogy.com, familysearch.org, and anything else I could find. I even contacted the Eastport Historical people to no avail. My Eli Harris was a member of one of the Planter families from New England who made the move to Nova Scotia in the mid-1700's. His eldest born in N.S. was my GG-GM Eliza Harris. I do have a handwritten account of all the birth's of his children, but nowhere does it list the name or names of his wife/wives. Eli emigrated from Nova Scotia to Eastport ME somewhere around 1812 with his brother Gilbert Harris as they had to sign an oath because of the War of 1812. I believe that only 2 of his many children were born in N.S. and the remaining 7 were born in Eastport between 1812 and 1829. Just before the birth of his namesake, Eli Harris in 1829, Eli Harris was drowned off the shore of Deer Island. It is believed he was going to check on a land grant he had in New Brunswick. The younger son Eli died at age 1yr, but the remaining likely remained in Eastport or returned to Nova Scotia. My GG-GM Eliza Harris did return to Cornwallis Nova Scotia where she married Benjamin Steadman, also a Planter family descendant. Much information on this Harris family can be found on Sandy Wilbur's website. Sandy did a lot of research and I give him credit for the information provided. http://www.condortales.com/newgenealogy.html Regards Ben MacDonald Arizona ---- EVELYN WALLACE <hdanw@verizon.net> wrote: > Ben McDonald is working on a Harris family with Nova Scotia and Eastport, Maine roots, but he would like to know more (as all of us genealogists do, as we get more skilled at this crazy hobby.) > > > I don't know whether Ben has access to Ancestry.com, but if he goes to an LDS Family History Center (Arizona has many LDS members), he probably can use the Library version of ancestry.com at such a center.  I have just used the card catalog search of Ancestry.com and used the search terms Eastport, Maine.  Ben can discover for himself what there may be for Nova Scotia. > > > There seem to be two local histories of Eastport, which may or may NOT have any clues about his Harris family.  Although many genealogists scoff at such county histories, I have found valuable clues in such histories.  One does try to check out statements made, because some are only half truths.  (Wrong name for a grandmother, for example.) > > > However, I discovered through old letters preserved by my extended family that my great-grandfather (and through family deeds in the proper Kentucky county) had cousins in Springfield, Illinois and in Kansas City, MO.  By tracing these cousins through an obituary for a recently deceased wife of one of the brothers, with the help of a skilled genealogist, I learned they (brothers) had roots in Logan Co., IL. > > Both brothers were attorneys, and one was prominent in Springfield, IL and helped > establish the Illinois Historical Society.  In a county history of Logan Co., IL, the birthplace of these brothers, the younger brother cousins gave information about his mother's roots in Henderson Co., KY.  This account was especially helpful as that county's official records had burned earlier in a courthouse fire.   > > To try to locate such a county history, you may have to search not only the card catalog on Ancestry.com but also google.books.  And do not overlook the FHL catalog, as more and more recods there are being digitized.  Also, if your local library has access to the databases HeritageQuest, use that online resource also. > > Genealogy is where you find it--even if the county history is wrong in places. > > More and more genealogical information is online. Example:  I was amazed when trying to help a cousin find some of his Revolutionary Williams relatives to learn that the WHOLE book about the Kings Mountain battle [in SC] by Lyman C. Draper is on google.books.  It was published about 1881.  (I haven't located an index--a handicap of sorts.) > > > Ben knows a good deal about his New England Harris ancestors and their children, but, like all of us, he wants to know MORE.  MAYBE there is something on the internet, and he just has not discovered it YET. > > > Hope springs eternal.  I keep hoping to find a passenger list from Germany for one of my ancestors--I found his wife and four small children in Vol. 2 of Germans to America!!! I found his *Old War* pension claim, I found a divorce from his first wife (the mother of the four small children), I discovered a front page death notice in the digitized Brooklyn Eagle (digitized by the Brooklyn Public Library)--he had been beaten by Brooklyn cops, ruled the coroner, and so on!!! But I would still like to see a passenger list. I think he may have come in through New Orleans, as that is where the rest of the family landed ca. 1852. > > > E.W.Wallace > > > E.W.Wallace > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ben McDonald is working on a Harris family with Nova Scotia and Eastport, Maine roots, but he would like to know more (as all of us genealogists do, as we get more skilled at this crazy hobby.) I don't know whether Ben has access to Ancestry.com, but if he goes to an LDS Family History Center (Arizona has many LDS members), he probably can use the Library version of ancestry.com at such a center.  I have just used the card catalog search of Ancestry.com and used the search terms Eastport, Maine.  Ben can discover for himself what there may be for Nova Scotia. There seem to be two local histories of Eastport, which may or may NOT have any clues about his Harris family.  Although many genealogists scoff at such county histories, I have found valuable clues in such histories.  One does try to check out statements made, because some are only half truths.  (Wrong name for a grandmother, for example.) However, I discovered through old letters preserved by my extended family that my great-grandfather (and through family deeds in the proper Kentucky county) had cousins in Springfield, Illinois and in Kansas City, MO.  By tracing these cousins through an obituary for a recently deceased wife of one of the brothers, with the help of a skilled genealogist, I learned they (brothers) had roots in Logan Co., IL. Both brothers were attorneys, and one was prominent in Springfield, IL and helped establish the Illinois Historical Society.  In a county history of Logan Co., IL, the birthplace of these brothers, the younger brother cousins gave information about his mother's roots in Henderson Co., KY.  This account was especially helpful as that county's official records had burned earlier in a courthouse fire.   To try to locate such a county history, you may have to search not only the card catalog on Ancestry.com but also google.books.  And do not overlook the FHL catalog, as more and more recods there are being digitized.  Also, if your local library has access to the databases HeritageQuest, use that online resource also. Genealogy is where you find it--even if the county history is wrong in places. More and more genealogical information is online. Example:  I was amazed when trying to help a cousin find some of his Revolutionary Williams relatives to learn that the WHOLE book about the Kings Mountain battle [in SC] by Lyman C. Draper is on google.books.  It was published about 1881.  (I haven't located an index--a handicap of sorts.) Ben knows a good deal about his New England Harris ancestors and their children, but, like all of us, he wants to know MORE.  MAYBE there is something on the internet, and he just has not discovered it YET. Hope springs eternal.  I keep hoping to find a passenger list from Germany for one of my ancestors--I found his wife and four small children in Vol. 2 of Germans to America!!! I found his *Old War* pension claim, I found a divorce from his first wife (the mother of the four small children), I discovered a front page death notice in the digitized Brooklyn Eagle (digitized by the Brooklyn Public Library)--he had been beaten by Brooklyn cops, ruled the coroner, and so on!!! But I would still like to see a passenger list. I think he may have come in through New Orleans, as that is where the rest of the family landed ca. 1852. E.W.Wallace E.W.Wallace

Eli Harris moved to Eastport about 1812 from Kings Co Novas Scotia and lived near his brother Gilbert Eli had several children all born in Eastport, but Eli died just before the birth of his youngest son (Eli). He drowned off the shore of Deer Island, possibly while traveling to check on a land grant in New Brunswick Eli HARRIS b. 16 Nov 1785 Horton, Kings Co., Nova Scotia; wife's name unknown. In 1820, he and a Gilbert HARRIS were in Eastport, Washington Co., Maine. He was not in Eastport at the time of the 1830 census. Children: 1- Eliza HARRIS b. 2 Jan 1808 (Kings County NS) 2-Ingerson or Ingason HARRIS b. 3 Dec 1809 (Kings County NS) 3-Asa HARRIS b. 6 May 1813 4-Nancy HARRIS b. 7 Jan 1816 5-Hannah HARRIS b. 26 May 1818 6-Leward or Seward HARRIS b. 28 Sept 1820 7-Abigail HARRIS b. 27 Sept 1822 8-Anna HARRIS b. 7 Oct 1824 9-Eli HARRIS b. 11 March 1829, d. 28 March 1830. Eli's son Asa HARRIS (3, above) shows up on the Eastport, Maine, censuses 1840 to 1880; his wife's name was Lusanna; he was a cooper, born in Maine ca 1813; both his parents were shown as having been born in Nova Scotia. Regards, Ben MacDonald Glendale AZ ---- EVELYN WALLACE <hdanw@verizon.net> wrote: > Ben McDonad of Sun City, AZ writes: > > From: "macdonab@cox.net" <macdonab@cox.net> > To: harris-hunters@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 6:09 PM > Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Eli Harris - Eastport Maine - 1812 > > I am looking for the descendants of Eli Harris who is listed in the > Eastport Maine 1812 "Oath of Allegiance" hoping to find the name of his > wife. Eli had emigrated from Cornwallis in Kings County Nova Scotia. > > I > believe my GG-GM Eliza Harria was born in Nova Scotia prior to the > move, but the majority of his remaining children were born in Maine. Eli > was drowned at Deer Island just before his own son Eli was born in > Maine in 1829. > > Ben MacDonald > Sun City Arizona. > > Dear Ben, > > If you are able to get around, can you go to the Family History Center (or Library) in Mesa, AZ?.  They probably have short hours on Mondays and Fridays and Saturdays.  Use www.familysearch.org and play around with the new version, which kinda stumps me.  (It has been dumbed down, it seems, from the old version.) > > I know little about New England research, but ask the folks at Mesa whether they have a volunteer who knows about New England research.  Since there seems to be mobility in your family (whose family doesn't move now and then?), you might entertain the idea that your Harris person either had recent British Isles roots, or was descended from the New Englanders who were Loyalists in the American Revolution (which went on, according to DAR for about 10 years). > >  Some years ago, as my husband and I were exploring parts of eastern Canada adjoining the United States, I read from the AAA tour book that many of the Canadian towns in that area adjoining the United States were populated by Loyalists during the Revolution.  (I am not referring to a map, but I believe Nova Scotia is somewhat removed from that area.) > > The mother Eliza Harris must have been alive at the birth of the son Eli in Maine in 1829. > > Have you looked over the FHL catalog (online) to see whether there are films of births (church baptisms, etc.) for that area of Maine in or about 1829?  If so, do some googling for books and also try World Cat to do some exploration of what printed or filmed records there may be for Maine in that time period.  New Englanders are great record keepers, compared to Southerners!!! (Some of these volumes may have been digitized, and you may not need to leave your computer--at least for a while. > > Failing that baptism resource, look for the possible remarriage of the widow--most widows, who did not work away from home in those days (unless destitute), soon remarried.  So, also look for appropriate printed or online marriage records about 1829--or later.) > >  If you have not used google.com and google books for searching, get a neighbor in Sun City to show you how.  I bet you have some genealogically oriented neighbors!!! > > E.W.Wallace > > > >    > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Eli moved to Eastport about 1812 from Kings Co Novas Scotia and lived near his brother Gilbert Eli had several children all born in Eastport, but Eli died just before the birth of his youngest son (Eli). He drowned off the shore of Deer Island, possibly while traveling to check on a land grant in New Brunswick Eli HARRIS b. 16 Nov 1785 Horton, Kings Co., Nova Scotia; wife's name unknown. In 1820, he and a Gilbert HARRIS were in Eastport, Washington Co., Maine. He was not in Eastport at the time of the 1830 census. Children: 1- Eliza HARRIS b. 2 Jan 1808 (Kings County NS) 2-Ingerson or Ingason HARRIS b. 3 Dec 1809 (Kings County NS) 3-Asa HARRIS b. 6 May 1813 4-Nancy HARRIS b. 7 Jan 1816 5-Hannah HARRIS b. 26 May 1818 6-Leward or Seward HARRIS b. 28 Sept 1820 7-Abigail HARRIS b. 27 Sept 1822 8-Anna HARRIS b. 7 Oct 1824 9-Eli HARRIS b. 11 March 1829, d. 28 March 1830. Eli's son Asa HARRIS (3, above) shows up on the Eastport, Maine, censuses 1840 to 1880; his wife's name was Lusanna; he was a cooper, born in Maine ca 1813; both his parents were shown as having been born in Nova Scotia. Regards, Ben MacDonald Glendale AZ ---- EVELYN WALLACE <hdanw@verizon.net> wrote: > Ben McDonad of Sun City, AZ writes: > > From: "macdonab@cox.net" <macdonab@cox.net> > To: harris-hunters@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 6:09 PM > Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Eli Harris - Eastport Maine - 1812 > > I am looking for the descendants of Eli Harris who is listed in the > Eastport Maine 1812 "Oath of Allegiance" hoping to find the name of his > wife. Eli had emigrated from Cornwallis in Kings County Nova Scotia. > > I > believe my GG-GM Eliza Harria was born in Nova Scotia prior to the > move, but the majority of his remaining children were born in Maine. Eli > was drowned at Deer Island just before his own son Eli was born in > Maine in 1829. > > Ben MacDonald > Sun City Arizona. > > Dear Ben, > > If you are able to get around, can you go to the Family History Center (or Library) in Mesa, AZ?.  They probably have short hours on Mondays and Fridays and Saturdays.  Use www.familysearch.org and play around with the new version, which kinda stumps me.  (It has been dumbed down, it seems, from the old version.) > > I know little about New England research, but ask the folks at Mesa whether they have a volunteer who knows about New England research.  Since there seems to be mobility in your family (whose family doesn't move now and then?), you might entertain the idea that your Harris person either had recent British Isles roots, or was descended from the New Englanders who were Loyalists in the American Revolution (which went on, according to DAR for about 10 years). > >  Some years ago, as my husband and I were exploring parts of eastern Canada adjoining the United States, I read from the AAA tour book that many of the Canadian towns in that area adjoining the United States were populated by Loyalists during the Revolution.  (I am not referring to a map, but I believe Nova Scotia is somewhat removed from that area.) > > The mother Eliza Harris must have been alive at the birth of the son Eli in Maine in 1829. > > Have you looked over the FHL catalog (online) to see whether there are films of births (church baptisms, etc.) for that area of Maine in or about 1829?  If so, do some googling for books and also try World Cat to do some exploration of what printed or filmed records there may be for Maine in that time period.  New Englanders are great record keepers, compared to Southerners!!! (Some of these volumes may have been digitized, and you may not need to leave your computer--at least for a while. > > Failing that baptism resource, look for the possible remarriage of the widow--most widows, who did not work away from home in those days (unless destitute), soon remarried.  So, also look for appropriate printed or online marriage records about 1829--or later.) > >  If you have not used google.com and google books for searching, get a neighbor in Sun City to show you how.  I bet you have some genealogically oriented neighbors!!! > > E.W.Wallace > > > >    > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ben McDonad of Sun City, AZ writes: From: "macdonab@cox.net" <macdonab@cox.net> To: harris-hunters@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 6:09 PM Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Eli Harris - Eastport Maine - 1812 I am looking for the descendants of Eli Harris who is listed in the Eastport Maine 1812 "Oath of Allegiance" hoping to find the name of his wife. Eli had emigrated from Cornwallis in Kings County Nova Scotia. I believe my GG-GM Eliza Harria was born in Nova Scotia prior to the move, but the majority of his remaining children were born in Maine. Eli was drowned at Deer Island just before his own son Eli was born in Maine in 1829. Ben MacDonald Sun City Arizona. Dear Ben, If you are able to get around, can you go to the Family History Center (or Library) in Mesa, AZ?.  They probably have short hours on Mondays and Fridays and Saturdays.  Use www.familysearch.org and play around with the new version, which kinda stumps me.  (It has been dumbed down, it seems, from the old version.) I know little about New England research, but ask the folks at Mesa whether they have a volunteer who knows about New England research.  Since there seems to be mobility in your family (whose family doesn't move now and then?), you might entertain the idea that your Harris person either had recent British Isles roots, or was descended from the New Englanders who were Loyalists in the American Revolution (which went on, according to DAR for about 10 years).  Some years ago, as my husband and I were exploring parts of eastern Canada adjoining the United States, I read from the AAA tour book that many of the Canadian towns in that area adjoining the United States were populated by Loyalists during the Revolution.  (I am not referring to a map, but I believe Nova Scotia is somewhat removed from that area.) The mother Eliza Harris must have been alive at the birth of the son Eli in Maine in 1829. Have you looked over the FHL catalog (online) to see whether there are films of births (church baptisms, etc.) for that area of Maine in or about 1829?  If so, do some googling for books and also try World Cat to do some exploration of what printed or filmed records there may be for Maine in that time period.  New Englanders are great record keepers, compared to Southerners!!! (Some of these volumes may have been digitized, and you may not need to leave your computer--at least for a while. Failing that baptism resource, look for the possible remarriage of the widow--most widows, who did not work away from home in those days (unless destitute), soon remarried.  So, also look for appropriate printed or online marriage records about 1829--or later.)  If you have not used google.com and google books for searching, get a neighbor in Sun City to show you how.  I bet you have some genealogically oriented neighbors!!! E.W.Wallace    ________________________________ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am looking for the descendants of Eli Harris who is listed in the Eastport Maine 1812 "Oath of Allegiance" hoping to find the name of his wife. Eli had emigrated from Cornwallis in Kings County Nova Scotia. I believe my GG-GM Eliza Harria was born in Nova Scotia prior to the move, but the majority of his remaining children were born in Maine. Eli was drowned at Deer Island just before his own son Eli was born in Maine in 1829. Ben MacDonald Sun City Arizona.

 Dear Jay (and interested others), In reply to your question which is in the message below: When you are trying to find an ancestor *on the move*, you infer or deduce--using your detective skills. You use old letters, tax records, land records, etc. (Thomas Jones, recent co-editor of the National Genealogical Society Journal, has some excellent lectures on 1) Inferential genealogy and 2) collecting the jigsaw puzzle pieces, which quite a bit later may fall into place.  (I keep in mind that our population in this country was not as extensive as it is now.  Both sets of my grandparents lived on a farm or a ranch--quite a bit in the country.  Going to town on Saturday was a social event on unpaved roads in a Model-T Ford (at least for the farmer in my mother's family.) Fortunately, a great-grandmother, not married into the Harris family, had not only written a LOT of letters but she also saved them in an old trunk (remember those?), and from those letters, we can infer where her deceased older husband had lived at various times--probably Hickman Co., KY,  Mississippi Co.,  Arkansas, (down the Mississippi R. from Hickman Co., Kentucky); then Vicksburg, MS (1850 census + old letter + marriage record); and so on to land deeds in Texas.  I infer from the Madison co., later Kentucky, personal property tax list of 1787 of Virginia that Christopher Harris already had some personal property in Madison co., KY but had not yet made the permanent move from Albemarle Co. VA. This was of interest to me as one always wants to put a date (approximate) on a family's move from one locale to another.  Sometimes, it is easy--a new county has been formed from the old one.  (That is why a book like Alice Eicholz's book The Red Book, is helpful.  It tells you when new counties are formed.  This book is held at the reference desk of many public libraries.  Ask for it. ) Personal property is not the same as real estate.  Christopher Harris could have moved a horse or a slave to Madison Co.--and possibly he was NOT physically present at either place when the tax collector came around. His will, made in Madison Co., KY dated..... names 19 children by two wives.  Some of the children were deceased, such as Benjamin Harris. By going to the biography of C.Harris, I have written over the years, I see there is earlier indication of Christopher's move to Kentucky.        It is found in Michael L. Cook and Bettie A. Cummings Cook, Fincastle & Kentucky County VA-KY Records & History, Vol 1 (Evansville, IN:  Cook Publications, n.d.) Furthermore, a book, compiled by Joan E. Brookes-Smith and published some years ago by the Kentucky Historical Society entitled Master Index, Virginia Surveys and Grants, 1771-1791(Frankfort, KY:  KY Historical Society, 1976) lists these Harris males in Fayette Co., later Kentucky.   I am NOT furnishing ALL the details given in cited book.  These men are listed (usual suspects) as the land granted them was on Licking Creek (Hingston Fork), then in Fayette Co.  I do not know that they are all related, but I suspect Benjamin Harris is one of the older sons of Christopher Harris. Harris, Benjamin - 1000 ac. - Fayette - Hinkston Fk. Licking survey date 3-4-1784      "        "            1,000 ac.  Fayette - Unk crLicking                          6-26-1784 Harris, Christopher 1,200 ac   Fayette  Hinkston Fk Licking survey       1-20-1786 Harris, Francis Eppes 366 ac. Fayette  Hinkston Fk Licking survey       9-24-1784      "        "          "     1000 ac Fayette Hinkston Fk Licking survey        9-27-1784 (There are other Harrises, but except for one John Harris, who also had some surveys on Licking in Fayette, I cannot infer that they MAY be related.  I suspect that these Harrises MAY have been related, although I have never stumbled over the name Francis Eppes Harris before. Hope this explains how one rounds up the usual suspects. This research is delaying my lunch period.  I have told you more than you probably wanted to know. E.W.Wallace ________________________________ From: "LambJGLamb@aol.com" <LambJGLamb@aol.com> To: hdanw@verizon.net; mafarr28@peoplepc.com; Harris-Hunters@rootsweb.com; MADKY@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 5:54 AM Subject: Re: [MADKY] Agnes McCord second wife of Christopher Harris of Albemarle Co. V... "He is listed for Albemarle Co. (same as Jefferson's tax list) and also in Madison Co. So I could approximate when he was making the move to Kentucky."    Just wondering - how would the listing in Albemarle Co., VA and also Madison Co., VA be an indication of when he was making the move to KY?  Jay   In a message dated 4/18/2012 11:38:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time, hdanw@verizon.net writes: Dear M. A. - Unless you have taken a look at the so-called 1787 census of Virginia (3 volumes), you will note that these are NOT land tax records. > > >They are personal property records (personal property and not land).  For some counties, there are three different lists.  Since I do research in Albemarle Co., I noted that Thomas Jefferson had wheeled carriages. > > >Widows are counted, if they had personal property, even though they may or may not have been taxed.  If she, the widow, had a tithable son or two, those would be listed under her name. > >Only when I paid CLOSE attention to ALL the Harrises of Virginia (3rd volume is an extensive index) did I note that Christopher Harris, my ancestor, is listed twice.  He is listed for Albemarle Co. (same as Jefferson's tax list) and also in Madison Co.  So I could approximate when he was making the move to Kentucky.  Even after he died, one John Harris was appointed his executor (or administrator) in Albemarle Co.  I think Chris's widow, the former Agnes McCord, gave consent for this assignment of John Harris.  I don't recall the details now, but it seems Christopher still had property in Albemarle Co. > > >These books are quite expensive, and some FHCs, if they have these volumes, used to shelve them with the census indexes. >Some Universities may have these volumes.  They are worth noting.  Genealogy is hit or miss, anyway!!! > >E.W.Wallace > > > >________________________________ >From: M. A. Farrell <mafarr28@peoplepc.com> >To: EVELYN WALLACE <hdanw@verizon.net>; madky@rootsweb.com >Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:24 PM >Subject: Re: [MADKY] Agnes McCord second wife of Christopher Harris of Albemarle Co. VA & Madison Co, KY > >Evelyn, the so-called 1787 'census' book, constructed from limited tax lists, omits so many of the people actually living in Kentucky District in that year.  This is a serious problem; when viewing the actual tax lists for KY District areas, it is very obvious how many of the "lists" were lost or misplaced.  One of the first of these 'tax lists' I saw was transcribed by someone and proudly published in the Register of the KY Historical Society many, many years ago.  Little did anyone know that was only what appeared on one of the subject county's tax commissioner's list, omitting at least 4 more commissioner's lists for that year. >It took many years of record-finding/conserving to reveal which of those many lists actually were found and which were forever missing. >I believe the best reference for KY population from 1780's, are the actual microfilms of the various county tax lists, where the missing lists are clearly identified - which were many. >Of course, for a quick reference of some of the residents, realizing more existed but were not named, this method of constructing 'census' from partial tax lists may be used with caveats. >Mary Alice >............Evelyn wrote...................... >     "......The so-called 1787 Census of Virginia (personal property tax lists) compiled by Nettie Schreiner-Yantis and Florine S. Love, list Christopher Harris in two counties--Albemarle Co., VA and also Madison Co., then part of Virginia.  Look for this valued census (personal property tax lists for various Virginia counties--three volumes, the 3rd being the index to the two preceding volumes) in a University or good genealogical library near you......"  > > > >________________________________________ >PeoplePC Online >A better way to Internet >http://www.peoplepc.com > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MADKY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am seeking information about the parents of Elizabeth L. Harris, who married Thomas G. Mays (Maize/Maze/Mayes) 1 nov 1853 Patrick Co, VA. Rev. James G. Taylor performed the marriage--he did not perform any other Harris marriages in Patrick Co. Thomas G. Mays was born in Pittsylvania Co, VA and moved to Patrick Co. with his parents before 1850. Elizabeth was "Luezer" in the 1860 census, Letitia in 1870 and Lutitia in 1880. Thomas and Elizabeth L. lived in Randolph Co, NC; Rowan Co, NC and Davidson Co, NC. Children of Thomas G. & Elizabeth L. (Harris) Mays were: Eliza 1854; Julia Ann 1857; Drury Stokes c1858; Thomas Augustus 1860; Lula Frances 1863; Sidney c1867. I would be most appreciative of any information. Pat (Moorefield) Seaver

Hello. I descend from George Overton Harris Sr., born 1750 in Hanover Cr., VA through Louisa Harris, his granddaughter, b. about 1820 in Warren Co., KY. Louisa's father was Graves Harris, b. 1780 in Hanover Co., VA and died in 1849 in Johnson Co., Missouri. Would you share your research on George Overton Harris? Thank you, Trueman Farris. <tefarris@peoplepc.com> -----Original Message----- From: boxerb@aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 2:19 PM To: HARRIS-HUNTERS@rootsweb.com Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] My George Harris b 1750-1755 I probably am going to ramble so bear with me. I am descended from George Overton Harris Jr. b 1790 VA d 10 Nov 1855 in Warren Co KY. He married Elizabeth (Betsey) Holland, dau of Michael Holland and Agatha Ward, 5 Apr 1813 in Warren Co KY. He was the son of George Harris Sr. b1750-1755 VA and Sarah Hudson. Married ca 1772 ????? First son Graves, b 1773 VA. George Sr was the son of William b ca 1730 d 1798 Prince Edward Co VA. All the information I have on William is from the web page of Catharine Stone Sckwarz with contributions from Nelle Craig, Ruby Ogletree, Pat Laney, Howard and Betty Harris, Truman Farris, Paul Dafft (who is no longer with us), Elizabeth Shannon, Beth Strahan and Lynda SoBelle. I have researched George Sr and Jr. Several cousins have participated in the Harris DNA project. We are in Group 8. I have always felt that somewhere along this very long line of Harris' that we are in someway connected with Group 6. Don't really know how all this works but the name Overton comes into many Harris lines. I do not think I ever saw a document on George Sr that gave his middle name but "Overton" is certainly in documents with George Jr. Comments and help welcome. Mary June Foulk Knoxville Tennessee ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Thanks for answering. I did not receive the messages I posted this afternoon. MJ -----Original Message----- From: Anita Schultz-Peters <hauntedrose1949@aol.com> To: harris-hunters <harris-hunters@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:13 pm Subject: Re: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] testing for messages I received your message -----Original Message----- rom: boxerb <boxerb@aol.com> o: harris-hunters <harris-hunters@rootsweb.com> ent: Fri, Apr 27, 2012 4:45 pm ubject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] testing for messages est for messages ------------------------------ unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of e message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

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I would like to thank everyone on the Harris-Hunters list who take the time to post their research. There are few list where everyone shares what they have learned over many years of dedicated research. And I think it is important that when we use others information, we should always give the researcher the credit. Some years ago, I shared with a fellow White researcher the information I had gathered over many years. Next thing I knew, she had posted it as her project. I am appreciative of the expertise of you all. Mary June Foulk Knoxville Tennessee group 8

Evelyn, Not trying to offend you (or anyone else on this so extremely- sensitive mailing list), but these two Benjamin Harrises were just not the same person at all. The Benjamin Harris that I believe was the brother? of our Robert Harris (and the son of William & Temperance Overton Harris) was a Quaker who died in 1762. His records are listed in the Cedar Creek Monthly Meeting records, in the Louisa Co., VA deeds and wills, and in the Cavaliers & Pioneers records that were recorded in his lifetime. I think he was born in 1699 or 1700? Benjamin Harris who died in 1765 was a son of an unidentified Harris line (but which I think was somehow related?) THAT Benjamin Harris died a very young father in Louisa County, his wife remarried, and his estate was finally settled about 20 years after he died. The reason that I have not posted any documentation to the Harris lists regarding the various Benjamin Harrises is that I have never yet compiled them (as I was not really sure, until recently, which Benjamin actually belonged to the line of William & Temperance Overton Harris> Robert & Mourning Glenn Harris.) So when I have the time to go through all my records of the various Benjamin Harrises, then I will post my documentation to the lists. (And, just in case anyone missed this fact, the second son of Dabney Harris (1743-1810) with his first wife was also a Benjamin Harris.) (Dabney was the eldest son of Christopher & (1) Mary Dabney Harris, and the grandson of Robert & Mourning.) I have spent a fortune in researching all these Harrises (as I do believe Evelyn & several other persons have, but I am just willing to share in order to figure out all of these Harris lines.) I am, as always, your friend. Pam pamstone@cfl.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: harris-hunters-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:harris-hunters-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of EVELYN WALLACE Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 4:19 PM To: Harris Hunters Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Some Notes Concerning Benjamin Harris Dear Harris-Hunters, I am sharing these notes for those who are trying to sort out some of the relationships of Robert Harris of colonial Louisa Co., VA where he was 1) in the House of Burgesses for that county 2) resigned that post to become surveyor of Louisa Co., VA.  At times, he is labeled Major, but to date we have not found military papers to indicate his position. Louisa Co had been formed from Hanover Co. (a burned county, now called something else) in late 1742.  Therefore, if you have lost your ancestors in pre-Civil War Hanover Co., possibly their names will appear in Louisa Co. records of early date. If you use this material in your own genealogical explorations, please cite the sources where I have given them.  This citation is required (in greater details by published authority Elizabeth Shown Mills) in all genealogical material these days.  Don't you yourself wonder, I wonder where he/she got this stuff?  If your work cannot be replicated by others, it is probably useless.  That was the main criticism of the International Genealogical Index and even worse, Ancestral File published by the Family History Library, These databases were criticized by well-known genealogists of national repute. If you have other information, how about sharing with Harris-Hunters? Evelyn W. Wallace Here goes:      BENJAMIN HARRIS I OF COLONIAL LOUISA CO., VA.  Malcolm Hart Harris in "Three William Harrises in Hanover County" in VIRGINIA GENEALOGIST, V. 22, p. 3 ff, states that Benjamin Harris married Sarah Dumas 27 Jun 1737 and he died 13 Mar 1762.  A patent cited below indicates that a Dumas family was a neighbor of Benjamin Harris.   He apparently had a wife named Mary at the time of his death ca 1765 in Louisa Co., VA, which had been formed from Hanover Co. Benjamin Harris in his Louisa Co. will of 1765 (WB 1-72) named as executors his wife Mary and his two brothers, Frederick Harris and Robert Harris (of Louisa, later of Albemarle Co.)    He named two sons, as indicated below, and there was a third son, whose name does not appear in the torn will.  Apparently Benjamin Harris had been married previously to a woman named Sarah, as indicated in the following deed, but Sarah is not the name of his widow Mary.+          Benjamin Harris had previously lived in Hanover Co. from which Louisa Co. had been formed 1742. Hanover Co. VA Records - 1733 Hanover Co., VA Court Records 1733-1735:  pp. 14-15:  INDENT.  1 Feb 1733  Robert Harris of Hanover Co. to Benjamin Harris of Co. afsd; 40 pds sterling money; 256 a. on both sides of north fork of Little River bounded by the lines of Stephen Pettus, John Garland, William Mullin, Benjamin Brown, William Harris and Benjamin Byb.  /s/ Robert Harris.  Wit:  Thomas Dickinson, James Harris, Richard Harris 1 Feb 1733 ack. by Robert Harris. p. 15  INDENT.  1 Feb 1733 Benjamin Harris of Hanover Co. to Robert Harris of Co. afsd; 40 pds sterling money of England; 256 a. left him by the Last Will and Testament of his Father, William Harris dec'd., being commonly known by the name of Walkers Neck.  /s/ Benjamin Harris.  Wit:  Thomas Dickinson, James Harris, Richard Harris.  1 Feb 1733 ack. by Benjamin Harris. (Rosalie Edith Davis, HANOVER COUNTY, VIRGINIA COURT RECORDS 1733-1735:  DEEDS, WILLS AND INVENTORIES [Manchester, MO:  1979], pp. 4-5) This latter deed establishes the fact that Benjamin Harris is a child of William Harris and his wife Temperance Overton, as is Robert Harris.  The identities of two of the witnesses, James Harris and Richard Harris, are unknown to this writer.  We do not know to which Harris an ordinary in Hanover Co. ca 1733 had belonged, but reference is made in an ordinary license bond in which Thomas Trevillion and Matthew Jouet bound themselves.  Trevillion had obtained a license to keep an Ordinary "at the place called Harris's Ordinary in this Co."  for one year.  One of the daughters of Robert Harris married John Jouett, the younger, who in Revolutionary times lived in or near Albemarle Co., VA.  Whether the Harrises intermarried with the Trevillions is unknown. Louisa Co. Records (Louisa Co. formed 1742 from Hanover Co.) 1745 -       Louisa Co. DB A-187  25 Jun 1745  Benjamin Harris and Sarah, his wife, of St. Martin's Par., Louisa Co., to Robert Harris of Fredericksville Par., Louisa Co.  50 pds currt money.  400 A in Fredericksville Par... land whereon sd. Harris now lives ... at head of Rocky branch in Harper Ratclift's line .. Ratclift's and John Matlock's line ... Samuel Waddy's line by main branch of Hickory Bear Creek ... Thomas Thomson's corner; granted to John Blair of the city of Williamsburg, Esqr., by patent 17 Mar 1736; conveyed to Benjamin Harris by deed at the Capitol, 23 Oct 1742.  /s/ Benja. Harris, Sarah Harris.  Wit:  Joseph Fox, Jeremiah Glen, Rich. Yancey, Nathl. Williams.  25 June 1745 ack. by Benja. Harris, Sarah, his wife, gave consent.        (Rosalie Edith Davis, LOUISA COUNTY, VIRGINIA DEED BOOKS A AND B 1742-1759 [Bellevue, WA:  Published by author, 1976], p. 21) Comment 1:  The above document confirms that Benjamin's then wife was named Sarah.  This also seems to confirm that Benjamin is related to Robert Harris [Major], surveyor of Louisa Co., vestryman of Fredericksville Parish, and sometime member of House of Burgesses.  The degree of relationship is not stated in this abstract. Comment 2:  In the version of this deed, abstracted by Lydia Sparacio Bontempo, Benjamin Harris and Sarah were of St. Michael Parish.  Has one of the authors misread the deed or abstracted too little information?  Also, the name Edward Lawes's line appears in the abstract by Bontempo. Comment 3:  Louisa Co. DB A-452 indicates that several years later,  in Jan. 1752, Robert Harris conveyed this same parcel of land to his son Tyree Harris (qv), and then in in 1757 Tyree Harris and wife Elizabeth conveyed the same tract to William Anderson, DB B-148, 22 Feb 1757.  Tyree Harris may have been preparing for his move to Orange Co., NC.  Other deeds show that other land owners on or near Hickory Bear Creek were John Matlock (qv), Thomas Travillion, Thomas Shelton, John Stree, Richard Bullock, Samuel Waddy and Matthew Jouett (qv). Comment 4:  Is one of these witnesses, Nathl.  (Nathaniel2) Williams a son or grandson of John1 Williams I of Hanover Co., who probably died ca. 1733, intestate?  The possible connection is through John Matlock.  In 1731,  Henry Graves whose second wife was reportedly  Mary2 Williams, daughter of John1 Williams I, had land adjoining that of John Matlock.  Possibly he was an older Matlock than the one named above.  However, many of these colonials clustered in the same neighborhoods and their families intermarried sooner or later.  Hickory Bear was described in some of the land records of Matthew Jouett of Hanover Co.; Jouett's daughter Henrietta Jouett married the reported brother of Nathaniel2 Williams, Joseph2 Williams, later of Lunenburg Co. and much later of Wilkes Co., GA.  One of the Jouett males married a daughter of Robert Harris, but this has not been thoroughly researched.  This latter couple reportedly moved to Kentucky. 1746 -      There is indication that Benjamin Harris and some of his neighbors were Quakers, thus affirming documents and not swearing to them.  In 1746, Benjamin Harris was appointed guardian for Charles Yancey, "an infant and eldest son and heir at law of said decedent."  (Probate Robert Yancey, Apr 1746, Louisa Co. WB 1, p. 8).  Benjamin Harris had been a witness to the will of Robert Yancey.  A later entry in WB 3-21, settlement of estate of Rev. Robert Yancey, names all his creditors, among them Rbt. Harris, probably the brother of Benjamin Harris, and also John Jouett, the son-in-law of Robert Harris. In 1747/48, Benjamin patented land in Louisa Co.  Patent Bk 26:  BENJAMIN HARRIS, 699 acs. Louisa Co. on both sides of Hickory Cr., Beg. at Dumas & Browns former C., on the Orphans Line {Orphans of Hugh Owen}, adj. Benjamin Brown; 5 Mar 1747/48, p. 256. 1 Pound 10 Shillings. The sd L. being formerly grt. Jeremiah Dumas by pat. 28 Sep 1728 {PB 13 p. 468} for 400 acs. but upon a Survey lately made by Robert Harris Surveyor of sd Co. is found to contain 699 acs. the Right & Title of which is since become vested in the sd Benjamin Harris  (Dennis Ray Hudgins, CAVALIERS & PIONEERS, V. 5, [Richmond, VA:  Virginia Genealogical Society, 1998]  p. 249)    Study of the Benjamin Brown family indicates that one of his sons married Lucretia Harris, believed to be daughter of Robert Harris.  (This has not been verified.)  1745      In 1745 a deed was recorded in Amelia Co.:  "p. 332 David Harris, planter, of St. Martin's Parish, Hanover Co. to Benjamin Harris, Planter of St. Martin's Parish, Louisa Co., VA.  Deed dated 26 Nov 1745.  Consideration:  35 pds.  Wit:  Robert Harris, Thomas Pavilett [Paulett or Pawlett?], William Snelson, James Johnson, James Yancey, Wm. Rice, and Benj. Dumas.  387 A Vaughans Creek being patented to said David Harris on Sep 16, 1743.      (Adapted from Gibson Jefferson McConnaughey,  AMELIA COUNTY VIRGINIA WILLS 1735-1761;  BONDS 1735-1754 [Amelia, VA:  Mid South Publications, 1978], p. 50) (Comment:  The identity of David Harris is unknown to this writer.  A reading of the original deed may help pinpoint his identity.  He has not been identified as a son of Capt. William Harris and Temperance Overton nor as a son of Robert Harris.  According to the will of Benjamin Harris and subsequent guardianship of his orphans, David Harris was not a child of Benjamin.  We have not determined successfully how many related Harrises may have lived in the same neighborhoods.)  1747/48  Patent Bk. NO. 26:  Benjamin Harris, 699 acs. Louisa Co. on both sides of Hickory Cr., Beg. at Dumas & Browns form C. on the Orphans Line [Orphans of Hugh Owen], adj. Benjamin Brown; 5 Mar 1747/48, p. 256.  L1.S10.  The sd L. being formerly gtd Jeremiah Dumas by pat. 28 Sep 1728 [PB 13 p. 468] for 400 acs. but upon a Survey lately made by Robert Harris Surveyor of sd. Co. is found to contain 699 acs. the Right & Title of which is since become vested in the sd. Benjamin Harris. (Dennis Ray Hudgins, Cavaliers and Pioneers, V.5, p. 249) Are the dates in the following abstract in error?  Or was that when the will was recorded, or when the guardianship was dismissed?  Further research is in order.  1785     Louisa Co. Will Bk 1-72 "Will of Benjamin Harris of Trinity Parish.  Wife Mary. 3 sons:  Robert, eldest son Overton & ---.  Dau:  Nancy.  Lands to be divided among my eldest son Overton & son Robert at death of my wife.  Excrs:  wife Mary Harris & two brothers:  Frederick Harris & Robert Harris.  Signed:  Benjamin Harris.  Wit:  James Overton, Charles Nuckolls, Mary Ratlif.  Dated 30 July 1785.  Rcd 14 Oct 1785." (Nancy Chappelear & Kate Binford Hatch, ABSTRACTS OF LOUISA COUNTY WILL BOOKS , p. 13) This will (abstracted) confirms that Frederick Harris is also a brother of Benjamin and of Robert Harris.      Louisa Co. Will Bk 3-227:  "Settlement of est. of Benj. Harris by Elias Thomasson, Excr.  For boarding and clothing Overton, Nancy, Robert & Benj;  443 pds-10-10 1/2.  Signed:  Chs. Barret, Robt. Barret, John Crutchfield, Elijah Dickinson.  Rcd.  ... 1785"      Question:  Had the widow Mary Harris remarried to Elias Thomasson, and that is the reason for change of executorship?  Stepfathers, by law, could request recompense for boarding their stepchildren. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Harris-Hunters, If you have information to add (or delete) from this biography of Frederick Harris, please share with all of us. E.W.Wallace      FREDERICK HARRIS OF LOUISA CO., VA   (Apparently died after Aug 1774 and well before 1784)    Brother of Benjamin Harris and Robert Harris, presumably his contemporaries in colonial Louisa Co., VA.  He apparently lived in Louisa Co. (see note)        It is stated in the will of Benjamin Harris, Trinity Parish, Louisa Co., dated 30 July 1765 and recorded 14 Oct 1765, that his brothers were Frederick Harris and Robert Harris.  The latter two men plus Benjamin's wife Mary were to be executors.  Witnesses were James Overton, Charles Nuckolls, and Mary Ratliff.   (Louisa Co. Wills Bk 1-72 on FHL film 32,191). 1785     Louisa Co. Will Bk 1-72 "Will of Benjamin Harris of Trinity Parish.  Wife Mary. 3 sons:  Robert, eldest son Overton & ---.  Dau:  Nancy.  Lands to be divided among my eldest son Overton & son Robert at death of my wife.  Excrs:  wife Mary Harris & two brothers:  Frederick Harris & Robert Harris.  Signed:  Benjamin Harris.  Wit:  James Overton, Charles Nuckolls, Mary Ratlif.  Dated 30 July 1765.  Rcd 14 Oct 1765." (Nancy Chappelear & Kate Binford Hatch, ABSTRACTS OF LOUISA COUNTY WILL BOOKS , p. 13) The name of the child omitted in the above abstract apparently is Benjamin, as indicated in the guardian bond, Louisa Co. 13 Mar 1774. The relationship of Frederick to Benjamin Harris is implied (not proved) in this excerpt: p. 53 [of Guardian records]  Gdn. Bond.  Frederick Harriss Gdn to Overton, Robert, Benjamen & Nancy Harriss Orphans of Benja. Harriss Dec'd; 2,000 pds currt. money.  Sec.  David Anderson & Garrett Minor.  13 Mar 1774 (Rosalie Edith Davis, WHERE HAVE ALL THE CHILDREN GONE?.... [Manchester, MO:  Published by author, 1980], p. 8)      Frederick, then, apparently is one of the sons of William Harris and Temperance Overton of colonial Hanover Co., VA.  He apparently died in Louisa Co. and his will is recorded in book Louisa Co. WB 5-20.   However, WB 5 reportedly begins in 1801, and it is doubtful Frederick Harris, brother of Major Robert Harris lived that long.  More research is needed.  (Had the probate extended that long?  Possibly because the children were minors.) A Different Frederick Harris?      Little is known of one Frederick Harris  of Louisa Co., VA, who owned land in Kentucky.  According to abstractor Mrs. Ardery, citation below, he had at least two sons:  Richard and Richmond.  Frederick and his sons were associated with members of the Overton family, implying that there may have been a relationship with the family of William Harris (qv) and his wife Temperance Overton, but the relationship, if any, is unknown.  The transactions of these three men, Frederick, Richmond and Richard are combined here.      An early Kentucky land record signed by Richmond Harris:      "Ky. Land Office - VA Surveys, Bk. 11, pg. 87 - Wm. B. Harris and Jas. Overton's Hrs., assee [assignee] of Wm. Steward, assee, of David Tanner, assee of Emanuel Kelly, assee of Chas. Patterson, 1800 A. part of a 2000 A. entry, part of Treasury Warrant 10694, located in Mercer Co. on Kentucky River, adjoining Isaac Winston and Ann Poage, 24 Jan 1789.  Richmond Harris assigns one-half of land in within plat mentioned to James Overton, Jr., and desires to register grant accordingly.  25 Feb 1789.  /s/ Richmond Harris."       The author adds:  "Richmond Harris was the son of Frederick Harris of Louisa Co., VA; see Franklin Co. [KY] deeds." The deeds are not included in Vol. II.   It appears from court minutes concerning guardianship of Frederick Harris's children that Richmond Harris may NOT be the son of this earlier Frederick Harris of pre-Revolutionary Louisa Co.  If he is, then he must have been of age when the elder Frederick died after 1774 and thus does not appear in the guardian accounts given in this bio and that of Frederick's widow.      From Louisa Co. DB G-422 Frederick Harris of Louisa appts son Richard Harris, his atty. in fact to convey his KY lands, 4 Mar 1794. It is doubtful Frederick Harris in this DB G of 1794 is the same as the earlier Frederick Harris, unless the power of attorney dtd 1794 was not recorded at the time of execution which may have occurred earlier.      Frederick, then, had a son Richard, who was appointed attorney by not only his father but also by Richmond Harris.   There were many other Harris males in Louisa Co., identities unknown.  However, one suspects that they were interrelated.  Other references to residents of Louisa Co. are found in these deeds or other records.     Ct. Bk B, p. 98, 5 Sep 1798 [county not stated by author, but presumably Louisa Co.]:  "Richmond Harris to John Overton of Fayette Co., KY, 250 A. located in Mercer Co. on South side of K[entuck]y River, consideration of $500.000.         (Mrs. William Breckenridge Ardery, "Harris Notes," KENTUCKY COURT AND OTHER RECORDS [Baltimore:  GPC, 1979], P. 170) Was His Wife A Terrell? From Louisa Co. deeds in the late 1740s on, we learn that a Richmond Terrell was a neighbor of the Harrises, at least a neighbor of Frederick Harris.  From time to time Terrell witnessed their deeds, and they reciprocated.   However, there seem to have been a father and a son of the same name.  Louisa Co. DB C1/2-49, 13 Nov 1764, shows Richmond Terrell of New Kent Co., Blissland Par. "for love and affection" deeding to his son Richmond "all the lands I possess in Louisa Co. and Hanover Co." together with eight named slaves. Among the witnesses was Frederick Harris. Later, there are references to Richmond Terrell, dec'd, so that we assume that the father had died, but the younger Richmond Terrell continued to appear in the deeds from time to time.   Frederick Harris, along with Garrett Minor and Z. Lewis, were executors of of one Richmond Terrill, deceased, of St. Martin's Par., Louisa Co.  Whether this refers to the older Terrill or his son is not known.  (DB D1/2, dated 23 Dec 1771).  Because Frederick Harris, probably the elder one, was an executor, the deduction is made that there was a close familial relationship to the Terrells.  A Younger Frederick Harris of Louisa Co.? A marriage recorded in Louisa Co., VA indicates that a Frederick Harris had a daughter Jemima Harris.  The relationship of the bride and groom to each other is unknown, and the sureties' relationships to either bride or groom is also unknown. 15 October 1789  Overton Harris and Jemima Harris, daughter of Frederick Harris.  Sur.  Robert Harris, Jr. and Ann O. Harris  p. 46 (Kathleen Booth Williams, MARRIAGES OF LOUISA COUNTY, VIRGINIA [1959], p 50) Question:  Is this Overton Harris the son of the deceased Benjamin Harris, brother of Robert Harris and of Frederick Harris?  If so, he would be marrying his own first cousin, a not unusual event in colonial days.

And then we have Fred Dorman's contention or conclusion that he could find no evidence that a Harris ever married a Claiborne in that time period. :) I guess we're all out to find the evidence if it exists. Thanks, Evelyn! -Charlie Harris DNA Group 6 ----- Original Message ----- From: "EVELYN WALLACE" <hdanw@verizon.net> To: <Harris-Hunters@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 3:12 PM Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] A digitized Harris [of colonial Virginia] FamilyGenealogy Dear Harris Hunters, Those of you who access familysearch.org frequently have probably discovered that once in a while some publication (or CD) in the Family History Library in Salt Lake City has been digitized. Instead of cleaning up my household clutter, I decided to play around with Familysearch.org and discovered that a published family history of an early (near Hanover co., VA) Harris family has been digiitzed. See bottom of this message for my trial at cutting and pasting. Because there is a lack of citations in this digitized book, I recommend that you check whatever Virginia records (I prefer Virginia land records and patents, myself) exist for that time and that place. (Your queries should ALWAYS cite an approximate place and a time period [rough] and this is why you need to clarify statements made in this digitized book. If the chosen mate of the Harris peson is NOT a neighbor, then question the statement. One noted genealogist/author/librarian made a statement at a national conference in Richmond, VA some years ago to this effect: The Virginia groom in early days always married a bride from downstream. [Exaggeration perhaps, but imagine the perils in the woods surrounding the Harris plantation--hostile native Americans perhaps, wolves, no roads, no street lights, etc. Imagine getting lost in the woods while trying to court a girl not far away!!!] My favorite source to check on relationships of neighbors (and possible marriage mates) is the eight published volumes of Cavaliers and Pioneers which are published and abstracted land patents awarded in Virginia. If you do not have access to these published volumes, which have excellent indexes for surnames, places, streams, etc., then the genealogists's second choice would be the abstracts of land patents on the Library of Virginia website. (Google.com for the URL) Then after you find the LVA website, go down the alphabetized list to the L's and find Land Records. Choose the title which includes the words *Northern Neck land patents* which are intermixed with the later land patents. The disadvantage for researchers of older families is that the newest patents (some in the 21st century) appear first. Click away to the last pages for colonial families. Using the online land patents: The land patents, for the most part, not only name the grantee and the acreage (and the price, if applicable) but also names some geographic areas (mostly watercourses) and the neighbors. If you ignore those clues, then your genealogy will be faulty. (Those who are searching in Tennessee would be well to study land records in North Carolina--and even Kentucky--before Tennessee became a State.) If you know that your Harris family (or whoever) supposedly married into a neighbor family, be sure to check out those neighbors' patents also. Some neighbors had multiple patents, but check the watercourse and the other neighbors. These are your clues, and genealogists need CLUES, especially if you have a common surname like Harris!!! Here is the cut and pasted book entry in the FHL catalog which may of interest to those of you who suspect you are descended from a Harris family in colonial Virginia. You doubtless will have to use the Family History Library catalog and type in either the author, as given, or the title as given. I don't think you can click on *Here* in this cutout. Having been trained to use the *old* FHL catalog, I still use the old one, which gives me a number of ways to search the catalog. The new one is the preference of others, but as I view it, it does not give me sufficient choices. E.W.Wallace Harris family of Virginia from 1611 to 1914 Stmnt.Resp. data gathered and printed for Thomas Henry Harris Authors Harris, Thomas Henry, 1854- (Main Author) Notes To view a digital version of this item click here. ________________________________ Microfilm of original published: Fredericksburg, Va. : T. H. Harris, [1914]. 32, [1] p. ________________________________ Captain Thomas Harris immigrated to Virginia in 1611 and settled on land now in Henrico County. His grandson, Major Robert Harris, married the widow Rice, who was Mary Claiborne, the youngest daughter of Col. William Claiborne, the first Secretary of the Virginia Colony. Descendants lived in Virginia, Georgia, Texas, and elsewhere. . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message