To Harris Hunters: For those who are interested in the research of the family of Dabney Harris (son of Christopher Harris, Sr., of Albemarle Co, VA and Madison Co, KY): Researchers: Ellen Radford, Lillian Densley, Cathea Curry and Ralph Harris (DNA Harris Group 6 #44795, direct line of Robert/Mourning Harris of Albemarle Co, VA.), previously presented our research about the family of Dabney Harris and his only proven wife, Mary. We now have more information to share about children of Dabney Harris collected during our on-going research. 1790 -1808 - Dabney Harris was the only Harris family that lived in the Mitchell River road survey area of Surry/Wilkes County, North Carolina. NOTE: John Harris, and possible sons, Solomon Harris, Jonathan Harris and Robert/Dicy Harris lived on Stewart's Creek. Dabney Harris' uncle, Robert Harris, and family lived near the Tarrarat River. Both of these other Harris families who lived in Surry Co, NC lived many miles from the South Fork Mitchell's River area where Dabney Harris and family lived for a period of time. According to the 1790 Census Dabney Harris' neighbors were: Joseph Roy Sr., Ezekial Wilmouth, Jacob Snow, Daniel Bench, David Austin and several of the Franklin, Snow, and Thompson families. In 1793 Dabney Harris owned land and lived in the area of Butler's Creek and Mitchell's River, according to the Surry Co, NC map, of Historical Documentation. There Dabney Harris' closest neighbors were: Jesse Franklin, Abednego Franklin, Mark Kennedy and John Personett. Dabney Harris sold a 95 acre parcel of land August 6, 1793 to John Personett. According to the 1787 NC State Census, Dabney Harris had a wife, three sons and five daughters. (Six females) The 1790 census lists Dabney Harris living in Wilkes Co, NC w/wife, four sons and five daughters. Dabney Harris, Benjamin Harris, Christopher Harris and Silas Harris are listed on the Personal Property Tax in Washington Co, VA during the years of 1796 through 1799, then Dabney Harris and Silas Harris moved back to NC. The 1800 census lists Dabney Harris in Surry NC w/wife, both over 45 years, (both born before 1755), two sons and three daughters. (Two sons and two daughters married sometime between the 1790 and 1800 census and they no longer live in the household.) Proven/believed Children of Dabney Harris are: 1. Benjamin Harris, DNA group #6, b. ABT 1769/70 m. ABT 1796, to Anny/Anna unknown (b. Before 1765) (1st child b. 1797 in Washington, Co, VA) Benjamin Harris and Anna owned 100 acres on Slaughter's Creek and the N. Fork of the Holston River in Washington Co, VA 1796-1804. In Sept 1804 they sold their land and moved to Pulaski Co, KY 1804/5 [Proven] 2. Mary/Polly Harris, b. About 1772 VA m. Neighbor, Joseph Roy Jr. About 1798 (1st child b. 1799 Washington Co, VA) lived on the N. Fork of the Holston River 1796-1804, moved to Pulaski Co, KY about 1804/5. [Proven] 3. Christopher Harris b. About 1773 VA, m. ABT 1796, neighbor John Personett's daughter, Polly Personett b.17 April 1771 (1st child b. Oct 1797 Washington Co, VA.) In 1802 Washington Co., VA, Polly Harris witnessed the Will of Joseph Roy, Sr. Both Christopher Harris and wife listed on 1810 census as 26-44 years of age. Christopher Harris bought 75 acres on the N. Fork of the Holston River in Poor Valley and in August 1814 conveyed land to Joseph Frost, signed deed as Christopher Harris and Polly Harris. They moved to Pulaski Co, KY about 1814. (Polly Harris is listed as a daughter in the Will of John Personett in 1810.) [Proven] 4. Silas Harris, DNA group #6, (Some of Silas Harris' descendants believe Silas was/is son of William Harris and not Dabney Harris.) b. About 1775 in VA m. 7 Dec. 1801, Surry Co, NC, to neighbor, Eady Franklin. Silas Harris lived in and associated with the Mitchell's River Community. [Believed] 5. Sarah Harris b. About 1779 VA, m. About 1798 to neighbor, Benjamin Austin (Child, named Dabney Austin) .[Believed] 6. Daughter Harris, unknown b. ABT 1783. Either died or married Unknown after 1800. 7. Isabella Harris b.1785 NC, m. About 1805 to John Wesley Musick, grandson of John Personett. (1st child b.1806 in Surry NC) moved to N Fork of Holston River Washington Co, VA about 1809, on Washington Co. VA, PP Tax 1810). [Believed] 8. Daughter Harris, unknown b. Bef. 1787, either died or married Unknown after 1800. 9. Dabney Harris, Jr. DNA group #6, B. 1790 NC . Moved from WA Co. VA after the death of his father in 1810, and lived with brother, Benjamin Harris, in Pulaski Co. KY, married Nancy McDaniel on 6 Aug 1812 , moved to IN 1824. [Proven] NOTE: All of the above connections of Dabney Harris' family have been extracted and documented from Census records, Personal Property Tax records, Deeds, Wills, Church records, etc. Ellie Radford - radellie@comcast.net Lillian Densley - Lillian.densley@gmail.com Cathea Curry -

Hi, all, More on Ben I. Pam ============================================= Brewer, op. cit. - p. 66: 4/4/1760. A paper was presented signed by John SANDERS & Benj HARRIS [Benjamin HARRIS] setting fourth a complaint against Wm STANDLY & Zacariah STANLY [Zachariah STANLEY] for sundry reproachfull and infamous expressesions against Strangeman HUCHINS [HUTCHENS] & his ministry. Jno HARRISS [HARRIS], Thos MOOREMAN [Moorman], Thos PLEASANTS, Robert PLEASANTS & Edward STABLER to examine into the said complaint and treate with them. [Strangeman Hutchens was b. 1707 in Henrico Co., Virginia, the only son of Nicholas & Mary Watkins Hutchens of the Henrico Monthly Meeting. He married Elizabeth Cox, b. 1713, the daughter of Richard & Mary Trent Cox of Surry Co., VA. Strangeman and Elizabeth's entire family moved to the Deep River Meeting in Guilford Co., North Carolina in 1786, and then moved further west to join the Deep Creek Meeting in Surry Co., North Carolina, where Strangeman died in 1792, and Elizabeth in 1816 {(1) HINSHAW, William Wade: Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy:, Vol. 1: North Carolina; With Supplement to Vol. 1, by Thomas Worth Marshall; Originally Published, 1936, by W. W. Hinshaw, Anne Arbor, MI; Supplement to Vol. 1, Originally Published, 1948, by T. W. Marshall, Washington, D.C.; Reprinted, 1969, by Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, USA; LOC #68-31728; p. 820;) (2) LINN, Jo White: Surry Co., North Carolina, Will Abstracts, Vols. 1-3, 1771 - 1827; Indexed by Edith Montcalm Clark; Copyright,1974, by Jo White Linn; Published by Mrs. Stahle Linn, Jr., Salisbury, NC, USA; p. 83 Surry Co., NC Will Book 3, p. 5a.)} Their children, John, Nicholas, Mary, Strangeman, Benjamin, Edith, Obedience, Thomas, and Jane all had children of their own, and have thousands of descendants, many of whom remain in northwest North Carolina to the present day.] - p. 69: 10/7/1761. Thomas DOUGLAS & Colless JOHNSON [Collins Johnson] of Louisa Co joined themselves in marriage to women of an other persuasion in matters of religion by a hireling priest. We therefore disown them. Signed by: Thos CHEADLE, Wm STANLY [Stanley], Saml HARGRAVE Jno SANDERS, Benja HARRISS, John CHEADLE. - p. 69: 8/8/1761. Moses HARRISS [Moses Harris] request a certificate in relation to marriage to meeting in West River, MD. Strangeman HUGINGS [HUTCHENS] & Benja. HARRIS appointed to enquire into his clearness. [Moses Harris, the son of Daniel & Mary Hutchens Harris, and the grandson of John & Mary Stanley Harris, married Elizabeth Plummer, daughter of Samuel & Sarah Miles Plummer of Prince Georges Co., Maryland, at the West River Meeting in Anne Arundel Co., Maryland on 3 December 1761 {Peden, op. Cit., p. 37.}] - p. 69: 10/7/1761. Jno Sanders, Benja Harris, Jno Cheadle, Thos Cheadle, and Wm Stanly appointed to attend the Quarterly meeting. - p. 69: 12/9/1761. Obediah HARRISS [Obediah Harris] requests a certificate in relation to marriage to meeting in Henrico Co. William STANLY & John HARRISS [John Harris] appointed to enquire into the same. [Obediah HARRIS, eldest son of Benjamin & Sarah Dumas HARRIS] - pp. 69-70: 12/9/1761. John STANLY Junr [John Stanley Jr.] of Hanover Co having taken undue liberties in the excessiveness of strong drink to the extreame of drunkenness, also behaving himself in a abusfull manner to others in profaine language with quarelling and fighting, we therefore disown him. Signed by: John CHEADLE, John SANDERS, Benja HARRISS, John HARRISS, Thomas CHEADLE, Thomas STOCKTON, Natha WINSTON. [John HARRIS Junr., son of Daniel & Mary Hutchens HARRIS] ============================================= Wright, op. cit. Records of Henrico Meeting p. 36: 3/10/1761. Obediah HARRIS and Rebecca JOHNSON announced their intentions to marry. (He produced a certificate.) - p. 36: 2/1/1762. Marriage of Obediah HARRIS accomplished. - p. 37: Obediah HARRIS, son of Benjamin HARRIS of Hanover Co., and Rebecca JOHNSON, dau. of David JOHNSON of the same county, married 8 da., 11 mo., 1761 at the meeting house in Hanover Co. - p. 37: 3/4/1762. ...Rebecca HARRIS having removed to the limits of the Circular Monthly Meeting. - ============================================= Brewer, op. cit. Records of Cedar Creek Meeting p. 70: 13/2/1762. The clerk failing to appear, Wm Stanly appointed in his stead for this time. - p. 70: 13/3/1762. William STANLY [Stanley] appointed overseer in roome of Benja HARRISS who is LATELY REMOVED BY DEATH. [Benjamin Harris] - ============================================ [END OF FILE] ============================================

Hi, everyone, More on Ben Sr. . Pam ============================================= Brewer, op. cit. - p. 62: 10/3/1759. Agreeable to an order of the Quarterly meeting, John CHEADLE, Henry TERRELL, Nichlos STONE, Charles & Thomas MOREMAN [MOORMAN, MOOREMAN], John DAVIS, Benja HARRISS & John SANDERS appointed members to constitute meetings of ministers & elders. [John Cheadle Jr.] - p. 63: 15/4/1759. Strangeman HUGINS [HUTCHENS], William STANDLEY [STANLEY], Saml HARGRAVE, Catherine STANDLEY, Elizabeth STANDLEY, Ann CHILES, Eliza CHEADLE, Sarah HARRIS, Sarah TERRELL, & Rachel MOOREMAN [MOORMAN] added to the Friends appointed to sit in meetings of ministers & elders. [Catherine Hutchens STANLEY, Anne Cheadle CHILES, Sarah Dumas HARRIS] - p. 63: 13/5/1759. Nicks STONE [Nicholas], John CHEADLE, Henery TERRELL [Henry], Saml HARGRAVE, Jno STANDLEY Junr [STANLEY], Benja HARRISS [Benjamin HARRIS], John SANDORS [SANDERS] to meet and reconcile a difference between Standle HARRISS [Stanley HARRIS] and Daniel HARRISS family. [Daniel & Stanley Harris were the sons of John & Mary Stanley Harris. The difference referred to above between Daniel & his brother Stanley was irreconcilable in the end. Stanley never married, was disowned by the Society of Friends, and at his death years later, willed his estate to the Cedar Creek Meeting.] - p. 64: 13/7/1759. James CREW (son of Andrew) of Charles City Co. and Judith HARRISS [HARRIS] (daughter of Benja HARRISS) [Benjamin HARRIS] of Hanover Co married the 14th da, 1st mo, 1759. Wits.: John PLEASANTS Jr., Thos PLEASANTS, Thos MOREMAN [MOORMAN], Jos ------, Robert PLEASANTS, Benja HARRISS, Jno SANDERS, William STANDLY [STANLEY], Edward STABLERS [STABLER], Andrew CREW, Benja CREW. [Judith Harris was the eldest child of Benjamin & Sarah Dumas Harris; Judith was born about 1739, probably in Goochland County, Virginia. I don't know why her mother did not attend her wedding; perhaps she was ill at the time---Sarah certainly was alive for many years after her daughter's marriage day. James Crew was a member of the White Oak Swamp Meeting in Henrico Co., Virginia; the couple obtained a certificate to relocate to Cedar Creek. James & Judith Harris Crew had children: Unity Crew {b. 1760}, Littleberry Crew {b. 1762}, Jesse Crew {b. 1765}, Obediah Crew {b. 1767}, Sarah Crew }{b. 1769}, Judith Crew {b. 1772}, James Crew {b. 1774}, Dorothy Crew {b. 1776}, Benjamin Crew {b. 1779}, and Mary Crew {b. 1781.} {this book, p. 3.}] - p. 64: 4/8/1759. John SANDERS and Benja HARRISS [HARRIS] appointed to present Standly HARRIS [Stanley Harris] with his denial. p. 65: 4/8/1759. Money ordered to reimburse Stephen HAMBLER, [AMBLER], F--- BAYLEY [BAILEY] & Saml PLEASANT [PLEASANTS] for sundry expenses. Raised by this meeting: Benja HARRIS 12 pounds, Garret JOHNSON 2 shillings 6 pence, Moses HARRIS 2 shillings 6 pence, Saml HARGRAVE 2 shillings 6 pence, John CHEADLE 10 shillings 6 pence, Henery TERRELL [Henry Terrell] 2 shillings 6 pence, Natha WINSTON [Nathaniel] 2 shillings 6 pence, John SANDERS 2 shillings 6 pence, John HARRISS [HARRIS] 2 shillings 6 pence, Zacariah STANLY [Zachariah Stanley] 2 shillings 6 pence, Wm STANLY [STANLEY] 2 shillings 6 pence. [Moses Harris & John Harris were sons of Daniel & Mary Hutchens Harris, and the grandson of John & Mary Stanley Harris.] - [FAMILY RECORDS] p. 4: Benjamin and Sarah Harris. Their child: Thomas b. 17/3/1760 - . ============================================ [END OF FILE] ============================================

Again, I apologize, but please try to correctly- place these records chronologically. Pam ================================================ - DEEP RIVER Meeting was located in the area of High Point, Guilford Co., NC. - DEER CREEK Meeting was located in Harford Co., MD. - ELK RIDGE MEETING was in Montgomery Co., MD. - EVESHAM MEETING, in New Jersey, established 1760; was spoken of in 1779 as in the "West Jerseys." It was located about 3 miles southeast of Moorestown. - FAIRFAX MEETING was in Waterford, in what is now (since 1757) Loudon Co., VA. The first meeting house was built in 1741. Fairfax Monthly Meeting was established in 1744...It would seem that the Friends held meetings in Fairfax as early as 1735 or 1736. The region was then in Prince William County. - GOOCHLAND, a.k.a. GENITO MEETING: Genito Meeting began as as Particular Meeting of HENRICO MEETING, and was originally in Goochland Co., and is now in FLUVANNA Co. See HENRICO MEETING. - Two GOOSE CREEK Meetings are recorded in the records of CEDAR CREEK MEETING: one was in BEDFORD Co., VA and reported to South River Meeting. The other, better-known Goose Creek Meeting was in Bedford Co. before 1782, and now is in LOUDON Co., VA. - GREEN SPRING Meeting was in LOUISA Co., VA. - GUNPOWDER Meeting was located in Baltimore Co., MD. - HENRICO MEETING: The "parent" Monthly Meeting of numerous offshoot Friends' meetings in Virginia; See notes for both CIRCULAR MEETING & for CEDAR CREEK MEETING. By 1781, the Henrico Meeting was almost always referred to as WHITE OAK SWAMP Meeting, and the Particular Meetings still belonging to Henrico were: WAYNE OAK [Waynoak, Weyanoke, etc. ] in Charles City Co., CURLES in present-day Henrico Co.; WHITE OAK SWAMP, also currently in Henrico Co.; SKIMONO in York Co.; and BLACK CREEK in New Kent Co. - HERRING CREEK Meeting was located in the extreme southeastern part of Anne Arundel Co., MD. - HOPEWELL meeting: 7 miles northeast of Winchester, in Frederick Co., VA; named, it is said, for Hopewell in Lancaster Co., PA. - INDIAN SPRING Meeting , MD, was located in Prince Georges Co., MD in southern Maryland. - LITTLE FALLS Meeting, MD was located on the Gunpowder River in southern Harford Co., MD. - LOUISA CO., VA was the site of CAMP CREEK MEETING, of FORK CREEK MEETING, and of GREEN SPRING MEETING. - MIAMI MONTHLY MEETING, located on the Little Miami River in Warren County, "was the first to be established in southwestern Ohio."...The settlement of Friends in the section about the present site of Waynesville began in the closing years of the eighteenth century. A meeting for worship was established about 1801. Miami Monthly Meeting was opened 10 Mo. 13, 1803, by permission of Redstone Quarterly Meeting, held at Westland, PA, 9 Mo. 5, 1803... - MONOQUACY, also written Monocacy, [and also called PIPE CREEK & PIPES CREEK], was on or near the Monocacy River, in Maryland; the former location is now in Frederick Co., MD. It was included in Hopewell until 1744. This meeting, for worship, was laid down in 1762. - MUDDY CREEK Meeting was in Surry Co., NC. - Two NEW GARDEN Monthly Meetings are mentioned in the records of CEDAR CREEK; one Meeting was in Chester Co., PA, and the more often-mentioned New Garden Meeting was in Guilford Co., NC near Marlboro. - PAGAN CREEK Meeting was in Isle of Wight Co., VA. - ORANGE Monthly Meeting was in Orange Co., VA; also known as DOUGLAS' Meeting. - PATAXENT Meeting was located in the extreme northeastern part of Charles Co., MD. - PIPE CREEK MEETING was in Frederick Co., MD. - PICKAWAXON MEETING was located in the extreme southeastern part of Charles Co., MD. - SANDY SPRING Meeting was located in north central Montgomery Co., MD. - SEVERN Meeting was located in the northern section of Anne Arundel Co., MD. - SKIMONO Meeting was in York Co., VA, and was also recorded as Skimmano, Skimmino, Skimmins, and Skimmanse. See notes for Henrico Meeting. - (2) SOUTH RIVER Monthly Meetings existed. The first was located in Anne Arundel Co., MD, and was located in the northeast area of Anne Arundel Co., MD. The second was in Campbell Co., Virginia (Bedford prior to 1782), VA. The Monthly Meeting there was set up in 1757. It survived until 1858. Also known as BEDFORD Meeting. - TOMS CREEK Meeting was in Surry Co., NC. - WARRINGTON Monthly Meeting, established 1747, was held in York Co., PA, 14 miles northwest of the city of York. - WAYNE OAK [Waynoak, Weyanoke, etc. ] was in Charles City Co., VA. See notes for Henrico Meeting. - WEST RIVER Meeting was located in the southeast central part of Anne Arundel Co. , MD. - There were two WESTERN BRANCH Meetings. One was in Nansemond Co., VA; the other meeting was in Isle of Wight Co., VA. - WESTFIELD Monthly Meeting was in Surry Co., NC. - WHITE OAK SWAMP Meeting, also recorded as Whiteoak Swamp, was in Henrico Co., VA. ---------- Interpretive notes: - The most important notation that should be made for this book is that the older records included in this Meeting Book clearly seem to have been re-recorded from an earlier Meeting Book or Books [probably not now still extant.] The order of the records is not chronological at all, which indicates that portions of these records were re-recorded from a prior book or books. - This prior book or these prior books may have even been damaged in some way---that cannot be known from the surviving records. Circumstances imply that some [or even many] of the Meeting Minutes may be missing from the book as now found and now published. It must be borne in mind that many records that should have been recorded [such as a marriage record which would have followed a declaration of intention to marry, and many family and death records] are simply not there in the book of Minutes as it now survives. - The tenets of the Friends disallowed dancing, singing, gambling, consumption of "strong drink", the bearing arms or the hiring of another individual to bear arms as a substitute, and, at a later date {from about 1780}, the owning or overseeing of slaves. It was also forbidden to swear any oath; therefore, the proving of any document in court, as required by law, was accomplished by affirmation. Occassionally this was noted in the Court records of various counties and states, but often it was not so noted [the most obvious example noted by the extractor was in to the records of Orange Co., VA Court records.] Also, for many years, anyone who married someone outside the Quaker faith was disowned by the Meetings for "being out of unity". [This practice was consistent until about the first decade of the 1800's, when it became obvious that losing so many members was becoming damaging to the structure of the church itself.] - It must be remembered that the Quaker method of recording dates does not follow the same format that is now most common [month/day/year], but rather follows the format of day/month/year. Thus, the format 3/5/1747 records a date of the 3rd day, 5th month, 1747. - p. 39: 11/1/1748/1749. John CHEADLE, David & Henry TERRELL of Caroline County, Jno SANDORS [SANDERS], James STANLEY, Benj HARRIS & Stanley HARRIS of Hanover appointed to attend Quarterly meeting at Whiteoak, Henrico County. [This is the first record of Benjamin Harris at the Cedar Creek Meeting. Obviously, Ben was already a man of considerable standing in the Society of Friends by this time. Stanley Harris was the son of John & Mary Stanley Harris of this meeting, and the brother of Daniel Harris. DNA evidence proves these two different Harris families were not closely related. {I PERSONALLY suspect that the line of John & Mary Stanley Harris (which, as I recall, belong to Harris- DNA Group 20?) came from Thomas Harris & Adria Osborne Harris through their son, Capt. William of Henrico, and their grandson, also a William, who moved to New Kent County, Virginia in the 1690's? But that is just my OWN take on all of the accumulated evidence.Everyone, of course, may interpret the evidence as they see fit.} ... ============================================ [END OF FILE] ============================================

Sorry, everyone, Apparently I sent too big of a file to the Harris list to handle, so my 7th posting hit the list before my 6th posting of this family. So you have to please place these files in correct chronological order to understand what I am sending. Again, I apologize.I am just not use to having limits placed on the amount of data you can send at one time. So here is Benjamin Harris' files in two parts: the first part I am sending as Benjamin Harrises Part 6a, and the second part as Benjamin Harris, Part 6b. Please do fit both files in their correct chronological order, so that you all have the sequential records correctly. Thanks! Pam ========================================== Hi, all, I am now back again with a continuation of my previous posts on Benjamin Harris (1). This posting has extensive notes regarding how the Quaker "rules" worked, and where the Meetings were. (I apologize to the more long-term Harris researchers on this list, as I have posted this more than once to the list, and some may be bored by it, but I am sure there are some newer researchers out there who may need this information, so I am including it.) Pam ============================================ Extracted from: BREWER, Mary Marshall: Quaker Records of Cedar Creek Monthly Meeting, Virginia, 1739-1793; Copyright, 2002, by Colonial Roots; Published, 2002, by Colonial Roots, Lewis, DE, USA - A brief glossary of terms found in these records: - Certificate of clearness in marriage: Certification by one Monthly Meeting to another that a member of the first Meeting was in good standing with them, had not already promised to marry another member of their own Meeting, and, if a widower or widow, that a period of two or more years had passed since the death of his or her spouse. - Disown: The Friends' version of excommunication, resulting most often from a church member's marriage to a person of another faith, and, somewhat less often, from repeated violation of the tenets of the church. - Distress/Sufferings: Confiscation of property or goods for refusal to bear arms in the militia or military service, or for refusing to attend the state-approved church & financially support the ministers thereof. The term of sufferings alternately referred to families in need, for which a voluntary monetary collection was taken up. - Disorderly marriage: Marriage without the prior approval of the Friends [even if to another Friend], or marrying to a person "too close of kin" [first cousins.] - Disorderly walking: Violating any of the tenets of this faith. - Marriage out of unity: Marriage to any person who was not a member of the same faith, and who refused, or was deemed unsuitable, to become a Friend. These circumstances led to the disownment of the church member. - Verge: The topographical area comprising the physical domain of each Meeting, equivalent to the area encompassed within the boundaries of a parish. Due to the wide geographical area that fell within the verge of the early Monthly Meetings of the Friends, smaller groups were set up in various areas. These smaller groups were called "Particular" Meetings, and remained under the "care", or within the jurisdiction, of the larger Monthly Meeting. To more easily understand this system, refer to the location entries for Henrico MM and that of Cedar Creek [below.] ---------- Locations of meetings were extracted from pp. vii-ix in the introduction to this book, pp. v-vi of F. Edward Wright's Quaker Records of Henrico Monthly Meeting and Other Church Records of Henrico, New Kent and Charles City Counties, Virginia [Copyright, 2002, by Colonial Roots; Published, 2002, by Colonial Roots, Lewes, DE, U.S.A.]; and from pp. 209-228 of Hopewell Friends History, 1734-1934, Frederick Co., VA: Records of Hopewell Monthly Meetings and Meetings Reporting to Hopewell [Copyright, 1993, Hopewell Monthly Meeting; Published, 1936, by Hopewell Friends, Strasburg, VA, USA; Republished, 1975, 1993, by Genealogical Pub. Co., Baltimore, MD, USA.] The third source for this meeting location information were extracted from pp. vii-ix in the introduction to: BREWER, Mary Marshall: Quaker Records of Cedar Creek Monthly Meeting, Virginia, 1739-1793 [Copyright, 2002, by Colonial Roots; Published, 2002, by Colonial Roots, Lewis, DE, USA.] Author of the first book, F. Edward Wright, cites, for the Monthly Meeting location information: [1] HINSHAW, William Wade: Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy, Vol. IV: Virginia [1950]; [2] Quaker Records in Maryland; [3] VIRGINIA STATE LIBRARY & ARCHIVES: A Guide to Church Records in the Archives Branch, Virginia State Library. - Other locations have been extracted from the records of various monthly meetings, particularly those of the Hopewell, Henrico/ Whiteoak Swamp, and Cedar Creek Monthly Meetings in Virginia. ---------- LOCATIONS OF MONTHLY MEETINGS: - ALAMANCE, NC: CANE CREEK Monthly Meeting. - AMELIA Meeting was in Amelia Co., VA; also known as JOHNSON's Meeting. - BEDFORD Meeting was in Bedford Co., VA, now Campbell Co., VA; also known as SOUTH RIVER Meeting. - BLACK CREEK Meeting was in New Kent Co., VA; see notes for HENRICO MEETING. - BUSH CREEK Meeting was also referred to as MONROVIA Meeting. It was in Frederick Co., VA. - CAMP CREEK Meeting was in Louisa Co., VA. A notation in the Cedar Creek Monthly Meeting Minutes indicates that the land for the Camp Creek meeting house was deeded in to Cedar Creek Meeting in 1764. - CANE CREEK, established in 1751, was in Alamance Co., N.C. This meeting was mentioned many times in the Cedar Creek, VA Meeting as "Caine Creek" and "Cain Creek". There was also a Cane Creek meeting in Union Co., SC, which was extinct in 1786. - CAROLINE Meeting was set up from Cedar Creek before April, 1743; their meeting house was built at Golansville, and the meeting was sometimes referred to by that name. See HENRICO MEETING & CEDAR CREEK MEETING for additional information. - CEDAR CREEK MEETING was in Hanover Co., VA, in the region of the Forks, a couple of miles west of the Anglican Forks Church. Cedar Creek was founded by Friends of the Upper James River by 1722, when Edward MOSBY was directed by the Henrico Meeting to erect a meeting house close to the creek. The Friends at Cedar Creek remained under the care of the Henrico Meeting until 1739, when those attendees at that meeting house united with the Henrico Friends that were located in Caroline Co., and formed a meeting separate from Henrico. Cedar Creek was sometimes also referred to simply as the "Upper Meeting" in the Henrico records. Cedar Creek experienced a period of immediate rapid growth, and soon encompassed Friends residing in the present-day counties of Albemarle, Amelia, Bedford, Campbell, Caroline, part of Charles City, Goochland, Halifax, Hanover, Henrico, Louisa, Orange and Culpeper, and also in the independent City of Richmond. Mt. Pleasant Meeting, in Frederick Co., VA, was [also] probably referred to as Cedar Creek from time to time. - CENTER Meeting was in Guilford Co., North Carolina. - CHUCKATUCK Meeting was in Nansemond Co., VA. - CIRCULAR MEETING: See notes for CURLES and CEDAR CREEK Meetings, VA. - CLIFTS Meeting was located in southeastern Calvert Co., MD. - CROOKED RUN Monthly Meeting was located near the village of Ninevah, now in Warren Co., VA, on the main road between Winchester and Front Royal; about 13 miles from the former and 7 from the latter place. A monthly meeting house was built at Crooked run prior to 1759. A monthly meeting was settled there in 1781-82. The Crooked Run Meeting was laid down in 1810--so few Friends attending... - CULPEPER Meeting was located south of Chester Gap in what is now Rappahannock Co., VA, near the home of John Garwood. John Garwood lived on the north fork of Rush River, near the site of the present town of Washington, county-seat of Rappahannock Co., where he purchased five tracts of land, the first two in 1768, the last in 1794, as revealed by Culpeper Co. records. Culpeper Meeting had a meeting-house in 1782. - CURLES Particular Meeting was one of the three original Particular Meetings referred to by the term, "Circular" Meeting in the Henrico Co. Monthly Meeting records. The other two meetings which this term initially referred to were the BLACK CREEK Particular Meeting in New Kent Co., and WAYNE OAK [Waynoak, Weyanoke] Particular Meeting in Charles City Co. Later, the Circular Meeting came to refer to such various locations as the meeting at MOSBY's in Henrico Co.; WHITE OAK SWAMP in Henrico Co.; CEDAR CREEK in Hanover Co.; Widow BULLAR's [Bullard, Ballard] at Appomattox, then in Prince George Co., next in Brunswick Co. and still later in Amelia Co., but now in Appomattox; and BURLEY/BURLEIGH or Robert HUNNICUTT's Meeting in Prince George Co. - DEEP CREEK Meeting was located on the creek of that name, now lying in Yadkin Co., NC [Surry Co. before 1850.] It began as a Particular Meeting of DEEP RIVER MEETING, NC. - ============================================ [END OF FILE] ============================================

According to George W Harris' birth certificate he was born Jan 26 1861 Belleville Illinios and died Sept 21 1960 Kenoma Barton Co Mo. His father was William Harris and mother was Eliza Johnson, Lydia Meffert was his wife. He is buried in the Lake Cemetery Lamar Missouri. His burial was Sept 26 1960. The was also a W.S Harris b. Jan 3 1873 in Preble Co OH. His father is listed as G.W. Harris and mother Sara Offield both born in OHIO. W.S. died Nov 6th 1924 in Barton Co and buried Lake Cemetery. There is also a William Riley Harris b. Apr 30 1856 Bellevile Illinios, died Jan 7 1931 Barton Co Mo. Father William Isaac Harris birth place Fredriekstown Missouri and mother Elyira (This is just a guess as to the spelling of her given name) Johnson, born Belleville Illinios. This william is also buried in the Lake Cemetery. I fouind Lidia's death certificate and she was born July 31 1865, Ashley Illinios, died Jan 6 1957, Lamar Barton MO. Her father was Finis Meffert and her mother was Katherine Henley. She is also buried in the Lake cemetery. There is also a G.W. Harris born Jul 1 1839, died Apr 16 1917,. Sarah Harris is shown as his wife b. Mar 4 1845, d. Sep 11 1922. I could not find death certificates for this G.W. Harris and his wife Sarah but they should be there if they died in Missouri. Could they have been brought there from out of state and buried? Leon -----Original Message----- From: PatCLARE@aol.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 10:11 AM To: harris-hunters@rootsweb.com Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Robert Harris/Lemander Smith We currently have two men in the Harris DNA project in this line who match each other (cousins) but not any other Harris Group. Robert Harris/Lemander Smith line 1) Robert b. 1710 m. Lemender Smith 2) Christopher b. 1730 m. Katherine _____, d. 1804 Elbert, GA 3) William C. (William Chistopher) b. 1777 VA, d. 1846 Madison, MO, m. Ruth Wilson d. 1814 Webster, GA, m. Frances Neal d. ca 1850 Madison, MO. Substitute for John F. Wilson Ft. Winchester, KY War 1812, was in Madison, MO by 1818 4) William Ira b. 1823 Madison, MO, d. 1907 Washington, IL m. Eliza Johnson d. ca 1895 5) George Washington b. 1861 Washington, IL, d. 1960 Barton, MO, m. Lidia Meffert, d. 1957 Barton, MO 6) Homer b. 1892 Washington, IL, d. 1971 Barton, MO, m. Effie Hunter d. 1972 Barton, MO 7) Dalton b. 1922 Barton, MO, d. 2007 Barton, MO, m. Mary Jo Frow 7)Dwain b. 1923 Barton, MO, d. 1999 Barton, MO, m. Ruth Deragowski 8) DNA donor 1 is son of Dalton and DNA donor 2 is son of Dwain (YDNA donors) It would be good to get another descendant of Robert Harris/Lemander Smith to test to confirm this line. Even a female from this line could do the Family Finder and contribute needed information. Pat Harris ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just thought I'd sent another installment before heading out to work. There were numerous times in the Cedar Creek minutes when Benjamin Harris was appointed to attend various meetings, and several times when Sarah Harris was also appointed. The items I am posting are a few of these records, but certainly not all. Pam ============================================ John Cheadle {Jr.}, an Elder of Cedar Creek Meeting, was born 1692 in Christ Church Parish, Middlesex Co., Virginia, the son of John & Millicent Hughes Cheadle. John's father served Christ Church Parish as Sexton. John Jr. married Lettice Southerne, the daughter of John & Catherine {Undiscovered} Southerne of that county, in 1713 in that Parish {CHAMBERLAYNE, Churchill G.: The Vestry Book of Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia, 1663-1767; Published, 1927 by Old Dominion Press, Richmond, VA, USA; pp. 50, 83, 91.} John's brother was Thomas Cheadle, b. 1689 {Ibid., p. 38,) and his sister was Hannah Cheadle, b. 1694 {m. Richins Brame (Ibid., pp. 52, 98.) Hannah married, secondly, Thomas Burch; she had children with both her husbands.} John Cheadle {Jr./II} was a founding elder of the Golansville/ Caroline Meeting in Caroline County, Virginia. John & Lettice Southerne Cheadle's children were Millicent {b. 1714}, John {b. 1716}, Anne {m. 1742, Cedar Creek Meeting, as his second wife, Menoah Chiles (Brewer, op. cit., p. 33,)} and Thomas {b. 1723} {Chamberlayne, op. cit., pp. 89, 96, 106, 113.} Menoah & Anne Cheadle Chiles' eldest daughter, Anne "Nancy", b. 1750, married, at Cedar Creek Meeting, Jeremiah Harris, in 1765, a younger son of Benjamin & Sarah Dumas Harris {Brewer, op. cit., pp. 1,79;} Menoah & Anne's younger daughter, Patty, b. 1757, married, as his first wife, Thomas Hutchens, the son of Strangeman & Elizabeth Cox Hutchens {(1) Brewer, op. cit., p. 1; and (2) SPARACIO, Ruth and Sam: Order Book Abstracts of Caroline County, Virginia, 1774-1778 (Vol. 11); Copyright, 1992, by R. & S. Sparacio; Published, 1992, by The Antient Press, McLean, VA, USA.} Patty Chiles Hutchens died at age 19, leaving Thomas with two tiny daughters,Anne Hutchens and Elizabeth Hutchens; Thomas remarried to Susannah Ladd, and they also had children together. Both Anne Hutchens and Elizabeth Hutchens "married out", and were disowned by the Society of Friends, though at least Elizabeth remained close to her father, who accepted his new son-in-law. Both Anne and Elizabeth have numerous descendants, as do Thomas & Susannah. James Stanley in the above record had married Catherine Hutchens, a daughter of Nicholas & Mary Watkins Hutchens and the sister of Strangeman Hutchens, in 1728 in Henrico.] - p. 41: 8/7/1750. Jno CHEADLE & David TERRELL, Stanley HARRIS & Benjamin HARRIS appointed to attend the Quarterly meeting at Whiteoak Swamp, Henrico Co. ============================================= Davis, op. cit., p. 62: - Louisa Co., VA Deed Book A, pp. 416-417 Deed dtd. 23 Feb 1750 (1751) Benjamin DUMAS and Frances, his wife, of Louisa Co., to James GOODWIN of York Co. [VA], for 400 pounds current money, 601 acres, together with a Water Mill.on the east side of the River below the Mill.Samuel GOODMAN's corner. BICKLEY's line.GARLAND's line.up the south and main fork of the River to Edward BULLOCK's corner.BULLOCK's Plantation.Thomas POINDEXTER's corner.on POINDEXTER's and Robert YANCEY, dec'd., line.to the Little River on the west side. Signed: Benja. Dumas, Frances Dumas (X her mark) Wits.: Robert HARRIS, Thos. POINDEXTER, Nathan GLEN (GLENN) [Benjamin Dumas was the brother-in-law of Benjamin Harris, and Temperance Dumas Yancey {widow of Robert} was Benjamin Harris' sister-in-law. Robert Harris probably witnessed this document due to his being at the courthouse, since he was a justice of the peace, though he could have witnessed it simply as an extended family relation.] ============================================= Brewer, op. cit. - p. 43: 7/4/1752. Benja HARRIS appointed overseer of this meeting in James STANLEY's stead who being unable to act. - p. 45: 13/10/1753. Susanah STONE (daughter of Richard BALLORD {BULLARD}) of Caroline Co married out from amongst friends & testify against and deney her a being a member. Signed by: Strangeman HUTCHINGS [HUTCHENS], Willm STANLEY, Henry TERRELL, Benja HARRIS, Thos CHEADLE, David TERRELL. - p. 46: 11/5/1754. Benja HARRIS, Daniel HARRISS, Jane SAUNDERS [Sanders], Sarah HARRIS appointed to attend the marriage of above couple [Anthony Hoggatt & Mary Stanley]. [Daniel Harris was the son of John & Mary Stanley Harris of this meeting; Daniel was married in 1729 to Mary Hutchens, a sister of Strangeman Hutchens { WRIGHT, op.cit., p. 16.} Daniel & Catherine had children: John {b. 1731,} Edith {b. 1733,} Cornelius {b. 1735,} Moses {b. 1738,} Mary {b. 1740,} Daniel {b. ca. 1743,} Thomas {b. ca. 1745,} and Nicholas {b. ca. 1748} {this book, p. 3.} - p. 48: 14/9/1754. John STANDLEY & Edey HUCHINGS [HUTCHENS] publish their entention of marriage. John SAUNDERS [SANDERS] and Benja HARRISS appointed to enquire into the said STANDLEY's [STANLEY's] clearness. - p. 49: 9/11/1754. Benja HARRISS and John CHEADLE appointed to treat [with] Wm TERRELL Junr (son of David Terrell) for his disorderly behavour. - p. 50: 8/3/1755. Benja HARRIS, David TERRELL, Robert PLEASANTS & John CREW appointed to enquire and treat with Jno & Thos PLEASANTS, Jacob & Talton WOODSON [Tarlton Woodson], & Jos. WOODSON [Joseph Woodson] living in Goochland Co. - p. 53: 10/4/1756. Benja HARRIS and John SAUNDERS [Sanders] appointed to treate with Henry TERRELL (son of David TERRELL) not attending meetings & sundry other disorderly practices. - p. 55: 13/11/1756. Garrat ELLESON [Garret Ellyson] (son of Robert ELLESON) of Newkent Co hath married out by a priest contrary to the advice of Friends, therefore we disown him. Signed by: Strangeman HUCHENS [Hutchens], Benja HARRISS, David TERRELL, Saml HARGRAVE, John SANDERS, Nichs STONE, Thos CHEADLE, Jno CHEADLE, Henery TERRELL. - p. 56: 12/3/1757. John STANLEY (son of Thomas STANLEY) & Ann BALLARD publish their intentions of marriage. Benja HARRIS [Benjamin Harris] & John Sanders to enquire into his clearness. - p. 58: 12/11/1757. Richd STONE, John CHEADLE, Benja HARRISS [Benjamin Harris], John SAUNDERS [John Sanders] & Thos & Charles MOOREMAN [Moorman] to treate with David TERRELL & Christopher CLARK. - p. 58: 11/12/1757. John SAUNDERS [John Sanders] & Benja HARRIS [Benjamin Harris] appointed to attend the marriage of John HUTCHENS & Mary STANDLEY [sic: Alce Stanley]. - p. 59: 8/4/1758. Manoak CHILES Junr [Menoah Chiles] hath for sometime given way to the vain customs & practices of the world such as going to public places, fighting & sundry other disorders, therefore we disown him. Signed by: John SANDERS, Thos MOOREMAN [Moorman], Henry TERRELL, Thos CHEADLE, Samuel HARGRAVE, Benja HARRIS, John HARRIS. [Menoah Chiles Jr. was the son of Menoah Chiles with his first, undiscovered wife (his second wife was Anne Cheadle, the daughter of John & Lettice Southern Cheadle.} Menoah Jr. was the grandson of Henry & {2) Mary Chiles, and the great-grandson of Walter Chiles II & {2} Susannah Chiles of Jamestown. John Harris {II} was the son of Daniel & Mary Hutchens Harris, and the grandson of John & Mary Stanley Harris, founding members of the Cedar Creek Meeting. John was not related to Benjamin Harris. John Harris {II} married Rachel Plummer, daughter of Samuel & Sarah Miles Plummer, at the Indian Spring Meeting, Prince Georges Co., Maryland on 11 Mar 1760 {PEDEN, Henry C., Jr.: Quaker Records of Southern Maryland: Births, Deaths, Marriages and Abstracts from the Minutes, 1658-1800; Copyright, 1992, by H. C. Peden; Published, 1992, by Family Line Publications, Westminster, MD, USA; p. 37.}] - p. 60: 9/9/1758. William STANDLEY [William Stanley] requests certificate to meeting at Fairfax, Loudon Co. John SANDERS & Benja HARRISS to enquire into his clearness in relation to marriage. - p. 62: 11/11/1758. Henry TERRELL (son of David TERRELL) of Caroline Co hath given way to vain practices of the world such as gaming, going to places of publick divertion & other disorderly practices. Therefore we disown him. Signed by: Thos MOOREMAN [MOORMAN], John DAVIS, John SAUNDERS [SANDERS], Ashley JOHNSON, Saml HARGRAVE, Benja HARRISS [Benjamin HARRIS]. - . ============================================ [END OF FILE] ============================================

I have ancestors who settled in what was originally the Virginia Colony, but when the colony of North Carolina was developed, the colony boundary line cut across their land...so some are listed as having children born in VA., while others of the same family are listed as being born in N.C....but on the same property..... Jane (Harris) Richards   isis1037@yahoo.com Owner/moderator Website: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/egyptbeyond Author: "Tombs,Temples and Thrones" ________________________________ From: EVELYN WALLACE <hdanw@verizon.net> To: "harris-hunters@rootsweb.com" <harris-hunters@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Robert Harris/Lemander Smith Dear Pat and other interested Harris-Hunters of the Southern states: As I study records of old (colonial) Granville co. NC, I keep tripping over the name Leminder Harris (female).  If any Harris-Hunters have books of old Granville Co. NC compiled years ago by Zae Hargett Gwynn (now in reprint, I believe), they will note that name associated with males Harrises. Leminder was a female. Here is a later Harris record (marriage) of post-Revolutionary Granville Co. David Harris to Lemender Harris. Bond dated;  Dec 28, 1783. Signed by David his x mark Harris and John Hawkins.  Wit:  Bennet Sercy.  (Thomas McAdory Owen, HIstory and Genealogies of Old Granville County, North Carolina, 1746-1800 [Greenvile, SC:  Southern Historical Press 1993]p. 80) However, there was an earlier Leminder Harris in the same county (pre-Revolution). I will not cite the whole will of George Jordan Sr. of Granville Co. Will dat. March 30, 1751 which was witnessed by:  Robt. Harris, Leminder (sic) Harris, Mary Harris.  The estate was inventoried and ret. to Feby Ct, 1762.  [Owen, op cit, p. 53] If some colonial Harrises are missing in Virginia, look for them in North Carolina.  According to Helen Leary, author, lecturer, editor (I think of of her as Mrs. North Carolina genealogy) many settlers of North Carolina came from Virginia, as approaching North Carolina by the Atlantic Ocean is quite dangerous because of the barrier islands. For those willing to search North Carolina for missing Virginians, you may begin your search by using the digitized State and Colonial Records of North Carolina (many print volumes)as digitized and FREE by the Univ. of North Carolina.  Also there is a good Granville Co. genforum. Many colonial familes of James River area and south of the James, as their families got larger--and there were sons to be provided for--migrated to North Carolina.  Primogeniture was the law in Virginia, and also one was supposed to be a member of the Anglican church.  North Carolina had no such restrictions.  (in fact, my family who migrated there in the 1750s, seems to have constructed a race track prior to finishing a church.) E.W.Wallace  ________________________________ From: "PatCLARE@aol.com" <PatCLARE@aol.com> To: harris-hunters@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 8:11 AM Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Robert Harris/Lemander Smith We currently have two men in the Harris DNA project in this line who match  each other (cousins) but not any other Harris Group.  Robert Harris/Lemander Smith line 1) Robert b. 1710 m. Lemender Smith 2) Christopher b. 1730 m. Katherine _____, d. 1804 Elbert, GA 3) William C. (William Chistopher) b. 1777 VA, d. 1846 Madison, MO, m.  Ruth Wilson d. 1814 Webster, GA, m. Frances Neal d. ca 1850 Madison, MO.  Substitute for John F. Wilson Ft. Winchester, KY War 1812, was in Madison, MO by  1818 4) William Ira b. 1823 Madison, MO, d. 1907 Washington, IL m. Eliza  Johnson d. ca 1895 5) George Washington b. 1861 Washington, IL, d. 1960 Barton, MO, m.  Lidia Meffert, d. 1957 Barton, MO 6) Homer b. 1892 Washington, IL, d. 1971 Barton, MO, m. Effie Hunter d.  1972 Barton, MO 7) Dalton b. 1922 Barton, MO, d. 2007 Barton, MO, m. Mary Jo  Frow 7)Dwain b. 1923 Barton, MO, d. 1999 Barton, MO, m. Ruth Deragowski 8) DNA donor 1  is son of Dalton and DNA donor 2  is son of Dwain  (YDNA donors) It would be good to get another descendant of Robert Harris/Lemander Smith  to test to confirm this line. Even a female from this line could do the Family Finder and contribute  needed information. Pat Harris ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Pat and other interested Harris-Hunters of the Southern states: As I study records of old (colonial) Granville co. NC, I keep tripping over the name Leminder Harris (female).  If any Harris-Hunters have books of old Granville Co. NC compiled years ago by Zae Hargett Gwynn (now in reprint, I believe), they will note that name associated with males Harrises. Leminder was a female. Here is a later Harris record (marriage) of post-Revolutionary Granville Co. David Harris to Lemender Harris. Bond dated;  Dec 28, 1783. Signed by David his x mark Harris and John Hawkins.  Wit:  Bennet Sercy.  (Thomas McAdory Owen, HIstory and Genealogies of Old Granville County, North Carolina, 1746-1800 [Greenvile, SC:  Southern Historical Press 1993]p. 80) However, there was an earlier Leminder Harris in the same county (pre-Revolution). I will not cite the whole will of George Jordan Sr. of Granville Co. Will dat. March 30, 1751 which was witnessed by:  Robt. Harris, Leminder (sic) Harris, Mary Harris.  The estate was inventoried and ret. to Feby Ct, 1762.  [Owen, op cit, p. 53] If some colonial Harrises are missing in Virginia, look for them in North Carolina.  According to Helen Leary, author, lecturer, editor (I think of of her as Mrs. North Carolina genealogy) many settlers of North Carolina came from Virginia, as approaching North Carolina by the Atlantic Ocean is quite dangerous because of the barrier islands. For those willing to search North Carolina for missing Virginians, you may begin your search by using the digitized State and Colonial Records of North Carolina (many print volumes)as digitized and FREE by the Univ. of North Carolina.  Also there is a good Granville Co. genforum. Many colonial familes of James River area and south of the James, as their families got larger--and there were sons to be provided for--migrated to North Carolina.  Primogeniture was the law in Virginia, and also one was supposed to be a member of the Anglican church.  North Carolina had no such restrictions.  (in fact, my family who migrated there in the 1750s, seems to have constructed a race track prior to finishing a church.) E.W.Wallace  ________________________________ From: "PatCLARE@aol.com" <PatCLARE@aol.com> To: harris-hunters@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 8:11 AM Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Robert Harris/Lemander Smith We currently have two men in the Harris DNA project in this line who match  each other (cousins) but not any other Harris Group.  Robert Harris/Lemander Smith line 1) Robert b. 1710 m. Lemender Smith 2) Christopher b. 1730 m. Katherine _____, d. 1804 Elbert, GA 3) William C. (William Chistopher) b. 1777 VA, d. 1846 Madison, MO, m.  Ruth Wilson d. 1814 Webster, GA, m. Frances Neal d. ca 1850 Madison, MO.  Substitute for John F. Wilson Ft. Winchester, KY War 1812, was in Madison, MO by  1818 4) William Ira b. 1823 Madison, MO, d. 1907 Washington, IL m. Eliza  Johnson d. ca 1895 5) George Washington b. 1861 Washington, IL, d. 1960 Barton, MO, m.  Lidia Meffert, d. 1957 Barton, MO 6) Homer b. 1892 Washington, IL, d. 1971 Barton, MO, m. Effie Hunter d.  1972 Barton, MO 7) Dalton b. 1922 Barton, MO, d. 2007 Barton, MO, m. Mary Jo  Frow 7)Dwain b. 1923 Barton, MO, d. 1999 Barton, MO, m. Ruth Deragowski 8) DNA donor 1  is son of Dalton and DNA donor 2  is son of Dwain  (YDNA donors) It would be good to get another descendant of Robert Harris/Lemander Smith  to test to confirm this line. Even a female from this line could do the Family Finder and contribute  needed information. Pat Harris ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Anne, yDNA shows only the paternal line mtDNA shows only the maternal line Autosomal DNA can be taken by females or males and gives matches up all lines--maternal and paternal. Two examples of autosomal DNA tests are 23andMe and FamilyTreeDNA's "Family Finder". An autosomal DNA test will not directly confirm a yDNA group, but a female donor will likely have matches with Harris donors who are part of a known yDNA group. Pat Seaver On May 6, 2012, at 11:37 AM, Anne Harris wrote: > Hi Pat, > As a female, can I be confirmed for a group? I thought female DNA only showed the > maternal line. > > Thanks, > Anne Harris > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We currently have two men in the Harris DNA project in this line who match each other (cousins) but not any other Harris Group. Robert Harris/Lemander Smith line 1) Robert b. 1710 m. Lemender Smith 2) Christopher b. 1730 m. Katherine _____, d. 1804 Elbert, GA 3) William C. (William Chistopher) b. 1777 VA, d. 1846 Madison, MO, m. Ruth Wilson d. 1814 Webster, GA, m. Frances Neal d. ca 1850 Madison, MO. Substitute for John F. Wilson Ft. Winchester, KY War 1812, was in Madison, MO by 1818 4) William Ira b. 1823 Madison, MO, d. 1907 Washington, IL m. Eliza Johnson d. ca 1895 5) George Washington b. 1861 Washington, IL, d. 1960 Barton, MO, m. Lidia Meffert, d. 1957 Barton, MO 6) Homer b. 1892 Washington, IL, d. 1971 Barton, MO, m. Effie Hunter d. 1972 Barton, MO 7) Dalton b. 1922 Barton, MO, d. 2007 Barton, MO, m. Mary Jo Frow 7)Dwain b. 1923 Barton, MO, d. 1999 Barton, MO, m. Ruth Deragowski 8) DNA donor 1 is son of Dalton and DNA donor 2 is son of Dwain (YDNA donors) It would be good to get another descendant of Robert Harris/Lemander Smith to test to confirm this line. Even a female from this line could do the Family Finder and contribute needed information. Pat Harris

After this posting, I'm taking a break for a few hours. Pam ============================================ Extracted from: DAVIS, Rosalie Edith: Louisa Co., Virginia Deed Books; Copyright, 1976; Published, 1976 by R. E. Davis, Bellevue, Washington - Note: Deed Book A = pp. 1-96 Deed Book B = pp. 97-143 - Louisa County, Virginia Deed Book A, 1743 - 1754 pp. 21-22: Louisa Co., VA Deed Book A, p. 187 25 June 1745 Benjamin HARRIS of St. Martin's Parish in Louisa Co. to Robert HARRIS of Fredericksville Parish, for 50 pounds c.m., 400a whereon the said HARRIS NOW LIVES at the head of Rocky branch in Harper RATCLIFT's [RADCLIFF's, RATCLIFF's] line; RATCLIFT's & John MATLOCK's [MEDLOCK's, METLOCK's] line; Samuel WADDY's line by the main branch of Hickory Bear Creek; Thomas THOMSON's [THOMPSON] corner; granted to John BLAIR of the City of Williamsburg, Esqr., by patent 17 Mar 1736 & conveyed to Benjamin HARRIS by deed at the Capitol 23 Oct 1742. Wits.: Joseph FOX, Jeremiah GLENN, Rich. YANCEY, Nathl. WILLIAMS [John BLAIR patented 400 acres in Hanover Co., 17 Mar 1736, adjoining the lands of Lawrence ARMSTRONG, Ann OWEN and Jeremiah DUMAS {Virginia Land Office Patent Book No. 17, 1735-1738, p. 235.} This Benjamin Harris was the son-in-law of Jeremiah & Unity {?} Dumas, and a Quaker, later a member of Cedar Creek Monthly Meeting of Hanover Co., VA. This Robert Harris was definitely the son of William Harris & Temperance Overton of New Kent, Hanover, and Albemarle Cos., VA. This was the tract that Robert gave to his son, Tyree Harris, when Robert & Mourning moved from Louisa to Albemarle Co. (this book, p. 71.) >From all of the evidence, it seems that Benjamin and Robert were brothers. Besides the documentation, the DNA of their descendants matches {as does the DNA of Richard Harris' descendants.}] ============================================= Extracted from: Chappelear, Nancy, and Hatch, Kate Binford: Abstracts of Early Louisa County, Virginia Will Books, 1743-1819; Copyright, 1964, by Nancy Chappelear and Kate Binford Hatch; Published, 1964, by by Nancy Chappelear and Kate Binford Hatch, Washington, D.C., U.S.A. - Notes by the authors: Will Book 1 was partially mutilated, so we have Verified the Will Book by the Order Book. The mutilated first page of the Will Book is numbered 145. - p. 2: Louisa County Order Book 1742-1748, p. 167 Will probated 24 Sept 1745 Lawrence [Lancelot] ARMSTRONG Sarah ARMSTRONG qualified as guardian of John ARMSTRONG heir at law. Wit: Benjamin DUMAS, Benj. HARRIS, & David DUMAS (QUAKERS who affirmed.) Sarah ARMSTRONG qualified as executrix. [First record of Benjamin Harris as a Quaker; it is not clear to which Friends' meeting Ben belonged at this point. The first record of him in any Quaker Meeting was recorded at Cedar Creek, Hanover Co. in 1749. This was the son of William & Temperance Overton Harris, and the brother of Robert who married Mourning Glenn, & an older brother of the younger son, William Harris Jr. who married Elizabeth Burnett.] - p. 2: Louisa County Will Book 1, p. 3 Rcd. Sept. 1745 Will of Lancelot [Lawrence] ARMSTRONG of Fredericksville Parish. To Son John 50 acres whereon I now live. To son Launcelot 77 acres purchased of John BLALOCK. To dau. Sarah 4 acres upon Edward HARRIS' line. To son Thomas 100 acres on both sides of branch to line of George DABNEY and David HAMILTON. To son William 100 acres joining George DABNEY and Edward RICE and David HAMILTON. Names daus.: Mary Susanna. He had 4 sons and 3 daus. Dated Nov. 17, ----. Signed: Launcelot -----. Wit: Benj. HARRIS, Benj. DUMAS, David DUMAS. Wit: Benj. DUMAS, AUSTIN to Codicil. (Spears Order Book 1742-1748, p. 167) David ----- (HAMILTON see Order Book 1742-1748, p. 167). Rcd. 24 Sept. 1745 - p. 2: W.B. 1, p. 8 (mutilated) & Order Book 1742-1748, p. 182 26 Apr 1746 Will of Robert YANCEY probated. Sons: Robert & Charles. Daughter Martha. Wife: Temperance. Exors.: Richard YANCEY & James YANCEY. Wit.: Benjamin HARRIS. Rcd. 26 Apr 1746. Temperance YANCEY, widow of Robert YANCEY, dec'd., appeared in Court & declared that she would not accept, receive or take the Legacies to her given and bequeathed, or any part thereof, and only doth renounce all benefit and advantage which she might claim by the last will and testament of the said Robert YANCEY. Benjamin HARRIS appointed guardian for Charles YANCEY, an infant and eldest son and heir at law of said decedent. ============================================= Hudgens, op. cit., p. 249 - Virginia Land Office Patent Book 26, p. 256 Benjamin Harris, 699 acres in Louisa County, 5 Mar 1747/48. On both sides of Hickory Creek, beginning at Dumas & Brown's former Corner, on the Orphans Line (Orphans of Hugh Owen). The said Land being formerly granted Jeremiah Dumas by patent 28 Sept 1728 for 400 acres (Patent Book 13, p. 468), but upon a Survey lately made by Robert Harris Surveyor of the said County, is found to contain 699 acres, the Right & Title of which has since become vested in the said Benjamin Harris. -

I sure wish my formatting would go through the list's filter! This stuff would, I think, be more clear if it did. :-) Pam ============================================ p. 50: Hanover Co., VA Order Book, 1733-1735, pp. 178-179 INDENT 14 Aug. 1734 Benjamin Bibb of St. Johns Parish, King William County, to George Braxton the younger of St. Stephens Parish, King and Queen County; Lease; 5 shillings currt. money; 226 acres in St. Martins Parish purchased by the sd. Bibb of ROBERT Harris; part of a patent granted to WILLIAM Harris...beginning at John Rhodes [John Rodes Sr.]...William Harris' line...south fork of Elk Creek. Signed: Benj. Bibb Wits.: John Thomson, Cornl. Dabney, George Dabney, James Ellet [Part of the land in the above two deeds, which Benjamin Bibb states he purchased of Robert Harris, was the land that BENJAMIN Harris had inherited from his father, WILLIAM, and sold to his brother, ROBERT; part of the tract known as WALKER'S NECK. This land would now be in northeastern Louisa Co. {Robert apparently keeping 30 acres of that property, possibly the homeplace & graveyard where his parents were buried.} Elk Creek originates about 5 miles southwest of the southeastern end of Lake Anna, east of Freshwater and Contrary Creeks in extreme northeastern Louisa Co., & flows northeasterly until it empties into the lake. {DeLORME MAPPING CO.: Virginia Atlas & Gazatteer; Copyright, 1989, by DeLorme Mapping Co.; Published, 1989, by DeLorme Mapping Co., Freeport, ME, USA; ISBN # 0-89933-244-7.} Other documents indicate that in the 1700's, Elk Creek had at that time been a northern branch of the Little River, though it now is a contributing branch to Lake Anna at it southern end. Another part of the land Bibb sold in the above deeds was part a 266-acres tract patented by Capt. Wm. Harris 14 Mar 1725 {Colony of Virginia Land Office Patent Book 12, 1724-1726, p. 420.}] ============================================ Extracted from: WRIGHT, F. Edward: Quaker Records of Henrico Monthly Meeting and Other Church Records of Henrico, New Kent and Charles City Counties, Virginia [Copyright, 2002, by Colonial Roots; Published, 2002, by Colonial Roots, Lewes, DE, U.S.A. - p. 18: David JOHNSON and Mary WOODAY [WOODY, WOODIE, WOODEY] married 12 da., 11 mo., 1734. - ============================================ Extracted from: DAVIS, Virginia Lee Hutcheson: Tidewater Virginia Families; Copyright, 1989, by Virginia Lee Hutcheson Davis; Published, 1989, by Genealogical Publishing Company, Baltimore, Maryland, USA; LOC #90-82597, ISBN #0-80631-283-1 - p. 467: . Benjamin [Harris] married Sarah Dumas on June 27, 1737. This was recorded in the family Bible of their son, Obediah. Sarah was the daughter of Dr. Jeremiah Dumas and his wife Unity. Her father was a Huguenot who had fled from France in 1700. - [Virginia Lee Hutcheson Davis always fully-documented her sources in footnotes in her books; she states that she found this tidbit of information in the Draper Papers.] ============================================ Extracted from: HUDGINS, Dennis: Cavaliers and Pioneers: Abstracts of Virginia Land Patents and Grants, Volume Four: 1732-1741; Copyright, 1994, by the Virginia Genealogical Society; Published, 1994, by the Virginia Genealogical Society, Richmond, VA, USA; No ISBN given - Virginia Land Office Patent Book 15 = pp. 1-76 Virginia Land Office Patent Book 16 = pp. 77-100 Virginia Land Office Patent Book 17 = pp. 101-160 Virginia Land Office Patent Book 18 = pp. 161-212 Virginia Land Office Patent Book 19 = pp. 213-254 - p. 161: Virginia Land Office Patent Book 18, p. 5 Patent dtd. 16 June 1738 Daniel Stoner & John James Flournoy [Fluornoy], 300 acres in Goochland County [formerly Henrico Co.]. On the North side of Swift Creek adjoining Thomas Watkins, Benjamin Harris & Henry Hudson. 1 pound 10 shillings. - p. 161: Virginia Land Office Patent Book 18, p. 5 Patent dtd. 16 June 1738 Daniel Stoner & John James Flournoy, 400 acres in Goochland County. At the head of Steep Branch of Swift Creek adjoining John Will's & Benjamin Harris. 12 pounds. - p. 161: Virginia Land Office Patent Book 18, p. 7 Patent dtd. 16 June 1738 Daniel Stoner & John James Flournoy, 400 acres in Goochland County [formerly Henrico Co.]. On the North Branches of Swift Creek adjoining Henry Hudson, Benjamin Harris & James Smith. 2 pounds. - pp. 168-169: Virginia Land Office Patent Book 18, p. 74 Patent dtd. 20 July 1738 John Harris, 300 acres in Goochland County. On Dottoy's Branch of the upper Manacan Creek adjoining [Manakin] Benjamin Harris, Nicholas Soullie dec'd., Wooldridge, and Thomas Watkins. 1 pound 10 shillings. - [This John Harris MAY have been a son of William & Temperance Overton Harris, and the brother of Robert Harris and Benjamin Harris??? This John's movement and descendants need further investigation.] ============================================ [END OF FILE] ============================================ ============================================ [END OF FILE] ============================================

Hi Pat, As a female, can I be confirmed for a group?  I thought female DNA only showed the maternal line.   Thanks, Anne Harris

Continuing with Benjamin Sr. (Part 3.) Pam ==================================== ... Richard Harris, b. ca. 1670, d. ca. 1738, St. Paul's Parish, Hanover Co.,VA; his wife is undiscovered. Richard possibly owned a shipping line in England, or at least was a partner in one, according to records in the Virginia Archives copied from the Public Records Office in London by Library of Virginia librarians in the late 1950's. {His ship(s) sailed out of Bristol, England.} He was a justice and Burgess for Hanover in 1726, and was still a justice in 1729 [Cognets, Louis des, Jr.: English Duplicates of Lost Virginia Records; Copyright, 1958, by L. Cognets; Published, 1958, by L. Cognets, Princeton, NJ, USA; pp. 34, 46.} Richard Harris accumulated a substantial amount of land lying in the Cub Creek and Forks areas of Hanover Co., VA before died---he owned over 3,100 acres, according to the various patents in the Virginia Land Office Records. Richard was in and out of the Virginia Colony, apparently traveling about between England, New England, and the Virginia Colony for much of the time that he owned property in St. Paul's Parish, New Kent & Hanover Cos., Virginia. He may even have briefly lived or visited in Edgecombe Co., North Carolina {Hofmann,op. cit., p. 13.} Richard Harris witnessed several Hanover Co., VA documents involving Robert Harris, the son of William and Temperance Overton Harris over the years, including a singular document which Robert Harris, Mourning Harris and Richard Harris all witnessed {Mourning Harris signed her full name on that occasion in long script} {Davis, op. cit., p. 67.} Richard Harris' cabin still is in existence, and is a Virginia landmark {American Heritage Publishing: Historic Houses of America Open to the Public, An American Heritage Guide; A Fireside Book, Copyright, 1980, by American Heritage Publishing Co.; Published, 1980, by Simon & Schuster, New York, NY, USA; ISBN # 0-67124-711-5; LOC # 80-11072; p. 318.} {The descendants of Richard Harris requires another, separate set of E-mails, as this is another large line coming early from Harris DNA Group 6. Let me just say that the younger children of this Richard Harris are much easier to identify, as they moved awayfrom Hanover Co., VA to the same area of North Carolina as the descendants of Robert & Elizabeth Turner Harris (the line of our friend and generous researcher, Ira Harris III .) Richard's eldest son and heir, William Harris (b. ca. , appears to have remained in Hanover Co., VA: his heirs are almost impossible to identify (at least that has been my personal experience.) Richard's younger children, though, are very clear: his younger children were Robert (b. ca. 1708-1786; m. Leminda Smith,) Richard (b. 1711-1787,) David (ca. 1714-1752; m. Martha Unknown,) Temperance (b. ca. 1715; m. Thomas Wilbourne,) Sherwood (b. ca. 1717; d. 1763; m. Jane Unknown,) and James (b. ca. 1718; m. Unknown.)} Cornelius Dabney Jr./II was born about 1694 in New Kent Co., Virginia, the son of Mr. Cornelius Dabney and his second wife, Susannah {Undiscovered.} His father had come to Virginia by 1664, had served as Church Warden of St. Peter's Parish, and was a member of the Vestry in that county until his death in late 1693 or early 1694 {(1) NUGENT, Nell Marion: Cavaliers and Pioneers: Abstracts of Virginia Land Patents and Grants; Vol. 1: 1623-1666; Originally Published, 1934, by the Dietz Press, Richmond; Republished, 1992, by the Virginia State Library and Archives, Richmond, VA, USA; ISBN #0-88490-174-2; p. 558; (2) NUGENT, Nell Marion: Cavaliers and Pioneers: Abstracts of Virginia Land Patents and Grants, Vol. Two: 1666-1695; Indexed by Claudia B. Grundman; Originally Published, 1934, by the Dietz Press, Richmond; Republished, 1977, by Virginia State Library, Richmond, VA, USA; ISBN #0-88490-009-6; p. 31; and (3) CHAMBERLAYNE, Churchill Gibson: The Vestry Book and Register of St. Peter's Parish, New Kent and James City Counties, Virginia, 1684-1786; Originally published, 1937, by the Virginia Library Board, Library of Virginia, Richmond, VA; Reprinted, 1973, by the Library Board, Library of Virginia, Richmond, VA, USA; pp. 2, 3, 13, 15, 16, 40, 42.} Cornelius Jr.s' siblings {or half-siblings?,} Elizabeth Dabney and John Dabney, died within three days of each other in April of 1688 (Chamberlayne, op. cit., p. 428.) Cornelius Jr. had four surviving {much} older siblings: James Dabney {b. ca. 1674}, George Dabney {b. ca. 1676, d. 1729 in King William Co., Virginia, and had no son named Cornelius}, Dorothy Dabney {b. ca.1679, m., first, William Anderson, and secondly, James Trice, having a son named William Anderson,} and Sarah Dabney {b. ca. 1680, d. ca. 1713, m., as his first wife,William Winston Jr./II, leaving two sons, Isaac (b. 1702) and William Jr./III (b. ca. 1705) {(1) des COGNETS, Louis, Jr.: English Duplicates of Lost Virginia Records; Copyright, 1958, by L. des Cognets; Published, 1958, by L. des Cognets, Princeton, NJ, U.S.A.; pp. 58, 59; (2) Davis, op.cit., pp. 430-433.} Cornelius' mother, Susannah (Undiscovered) Dabney, remarried to an undiscovered Anderson man, and her will, written in March of 1722 and probated in February of 1724 in Hanover Co., Virginia, lists her heirs in the following order: grandson William Anderson, under 18; James Trice, "father-in-law" of William Anderson; son Cornelius Dabney, daughter Dorothy Trice, wife of James Trice; daughter Mary Carr, wife of Capt. Thomas Carr; and son David Anderson. Her will makes it clear that James Trice was William Anderson's stepfather, or "father in the law." She named her son, Cornelius, as her executor; witnesses were John and Mary Smith {HOPKINS, William Lindsay: Some Wills From the Burned Counties of Virginia and Other Wills Not Listed in Virginia Wills and Administrations 1632-1800; Copyright, 1995, by W. L. Hopkins; Published, 1995, by Iberian Publishing Co., Athens, GA, USA; p. 87. Mr. Hopkins discovered Susannah's will in the Virginia State Library and Archives, Archives Division, in the Trice Family Records file (Accession #25854.)} Cornelius' second wife was Sarah Jennings, whom he married in 1721 in Hanover County, and with whom he had all of his other children. Cornelius Dabney II died in 1765 in St. Paul's Parish, Hanover Co., Virginia; his first wife was a daughter of Charles Hudson of Hanover County, with whom Cornelius had his eldest son, William Dabney {Hopkins, op. cit., p. 97.} Cornelius' will listed his wife, Sarah, his children and his son-in-law: sons William Dabney, John Dabney, and Cornelius Dabney dec'd.; Son-in-law Ch--------- Harris; Daughters Mary Elizabeth Maupin, Fanny Maupin, and Anna Thompson. Executors were John Dabney and Henry Terrell. {Hopkins, op. cit., p. 92.} Cornelius' deceased daughter, Mary, was the first wife of Christopher Harris, and was the mother of his first six children: Dabney Harris, Sarah Martin, Robert Harris, Mourning Jones, Christopher Harris and Mary Jones. Christopher Sr., the eldest son of Robert and Mourning Glenn Harris, was born 1725 in Hanover Co., VA, and died 1794 in Madison Co., Kentucky. His will mentions an inheritance due to his first six children from Cornelius Dabney. Christopher's second wife, Miss Agnes McCord, the daughter of Mr. John McCord of Albemarle Co., was the mother of the rest of his 16 {!} children: John Harris, Benjamin Harris, William Harris, Barnabas Harris, James Harris, Samuel Harris, Jane Gentry, Margaret Harris, Isabel Harris, and Overton Harris {McCord's will abstraction from: KING, J. Estelle Stewart: Abstracts of Wills, Inventories, and Administration Accounts of Albemarle County, Virginia (1748-1800) Amherst County, Virginia (1761-1800); Published, 1940, by Author, Beverly Hills, CA. (No Copyright noted;) p. 14.} {Christopher Harris' will is from Madison County, Kentucky Will Book A, pp. 54-55.}] ============================================ [END OF FILE] ============================================

The continuation of the line of Benjamin & Sarah Dumas Harris. Pam ==================================== Extracted from: DAVIS, Rosalie Edith: Hanover County, Virginia Court Records, 1733-1735: Deeds, Wills and Inventories; Copyright, 1979, by R. E. Davis; Published, 1979, by R. E. Davis, Manchester, MO, USA - pp. 4-5: Hanover Co., VA Order Book, 1733-1735, p. 14 INDENT. Robert HARRIS of Hanover Co. to Benjamin HARRIS of same co., 256 acres on the North fork of the Little River adjoining Stephen PETERS, John GARLAND, William MULLEN, [PETTUS, not Peters] Benjamin BROWN, William HARRIS and Benjamin BYB [Bibb]. Signed: Robert Harris Wits.: Thomas DICKINSON, James HARRIS, Richard HARRIS 1 Feb 1733 [1733/34] ack. by Robert Harris - p. 5: Hanover Co., VA Order Book, 1733-1735, p. 15 INDENT. 1 Feb 1733 [1733/34] Benjamin HARRIS of Hanover Co. to Robert HARRIS of Co. afsd., for 40 pounds sterling money of England, 256 acres left him by the Last Will and Testament of his Father, William HARRIS dec'd., being commonly known by the name of WALKERS NECK. Signed: Benjamin Harris Wits.: Thos. DICKENSON, James HARRIS, Richard HARRIS 1 Feb 1733 [1733/34] ack. by Benjamin Harris - p. 49: Hanover Co., VA Order Book, 1733-1735, pp. 174-177 INDENTURE TRIPARTITE 15 Aug 1734 Benjamin Bibb of St. Johns Parish, King William Co., of the first part, George Braxton the younger of the Parish of St. Stephen in King and Queen Co. of the second part, and Humphry Brooks of the Parish of St. John, King William Co. of the third part. Whereas Benjamin Bibb, by Indenture 5 July last, for L25 sterling by the sd. Humphry Brook, [sold] a certain tract of land of 100 acres in the Parish of St. John, King William Co. adjoining the Lands of William Alvis, John Mallory, Martin Poliner and the sd. Humphry Brooks, being the land and Plantation whereon Benjamin Bibb late of the last mentioned Parish and County, dec'd., lived, together with all Houses Orchards etc. Whereas the sd. Benjamin Bibb father of the sd. Benjamin Bibb, Party to these presents, by his Last Will and Testament dated 16 June 1720 did devise the before mentioned land to the sd. Benjamin Bibb in words to the effect I give and bequeath to my Son Benjamin Bibb land whereon I now live it being one hundred acres; if he dying without issue, to my Son William; if he dying without heirs [then] to the surviving heirs; whereas the sd. Benjamin Bibb, party to these presents is Seised of one other Tract of land in Hanover County, part of a patent to WILLIAM Harris, which he purchased of ROBERT Harris by Indentures of Lease and Release 5 December 1733 NOW THIS INDENTURE witnesseth that the sum of Two Shillings Currt. money paid by the sd. George Braxton, the Rent whereof he doth hereby acknowledge, and to the said Humphry Brooks 100 acres of land with the appurtances [sic] in Hanover County, which Remainder of the sd. 100 acres given and divised by the sd. Will of Benjamin Bibb Dec'd. NOW granted and sold to the sd. George Braxton, sd. Tract lying in St. Martins Parish containing 200 acres...beginning at a corner of John Roads [John Rodes Sr.]...William Harris...south fork of Elk Creek. Signed: Hum. Brooke, Geo. Braxton Jr., Benja. Bibb Wits.: John Thompson, Cor. Dabney, George Dabney, James Ellett 2 Jan. 1734 [1735] proved by the oaths of John Thomson, Cornelius Dabney and George Dabney. [James Harris, son of William & Temperance Overton Harris, and brother of Robert Harris whose wife was Mourning Glenn Harris. The records for James are unclear as to whom his wife {possibly Elizabeth?) or children were {at least to me.} But the few documents definitely prove that he existed. It seems likely that he may have remained in Hanover Co., at least in his younger years, and that later records of his family, possibly in another location, have not yet been linked back to his earlier few records there. . ============================================ [END OF FILE] ============================================

Okay, everyone: Here is the first installment of my file on Benjamin Harris (et al) of Hanover Co., Virginia. This is a really long listing, so please be patient, and think over everything in this posting. Add to it if you think you have something to add.] Thanks, all. Obviously, more to come. Pam <mailto:pamstone@cfl.rr.com> pamstone@cfl.rr.com ==================================== Records Compiled by: Pamela Howerton Stone Ross Pam Stone Ross 362 North Brevard Avenue Cocoa Beach, FL 32931-2936 U.S.A. <mailto:pamstone@cfl.rr.com> pamstone@cfl.rr.com Includes Cross References, Genealogical Notes, and Alternative Surname Spellings by the compiler. ==================================== Extracted from: CHAMBERLAYNE, C. G. [Churchill Gibson]: The Vestry Book of St. Paul's Parish, Hanover County, Virginia, 1706-1786; Published, 1940, by the Library Board, Virginia State Library & Archives, Richmond, VA, USA - p. 220: [1711 Processioning] Vestry Book p. 173 ... At a Vestry held for S,t Pauls Parish at ye Lower Church march y,e 17,th 1711/12 from the Surveyors of the precincts that the said Parish was divided into for the proceSsioning of Lands by an order of the said Parish Vestry held the 17,th of 7br, 1711, are hereby according to law, and an order of the said Vestry made on the said 17,th day of March, Register'd verbatim as they were return'd. The lands of W,m Harris, Edw:d Bradley, Cap,t Tho,s West, [Pct. 1] [land on No. Anna] John Pettis, James Terry, Lewis Davis M,r Munrow, Colo [John Pettus, John Monroe] Walker, & Mr Henry Fox, lying adjacent to each other, being [This area was "Walker's Neck"] made one precinct of which the said William Harris & Edw,d Bradley were appointed Overseers who made this return March ye 22,d 1711 pursuant to an order of Vestry held for S,t Pauls [1712] parish in new Kent County Sep,r 17.th 1711 and directed to us the Subscribers, we see the Lands of William Harris Edward Bradley, Cap,t Tho,s West, Jno Pettis, Ja:s Terry, Lewis Davis [Pettus] M,r Monrow, Col,o Walker, & Mr Henry Fox ProceSsioned, was made as followeth, Viz, Cap;t Tho:s West proceSsiond his Land Nov:r 13,th with y,e parties concernd, in y,e presence of Ja,s Smith, W,m Saxon and Jos:ph Peers, Mr Fox's land proceS- [James Smith, William Saxon, sion'd by Samuel Reynolds, he having ord,rs from his landlord Joseph Pierce] M,r Fox for so doing, 9br. ye 26:th in presence of William BoSsum, Lewis Davis Land proceSsiond Nove:r 27,th with parties concernd, in presence of W,m Saxon, Charles Yancey, Edw,d - p. 221: Bradleys Land proceSsion'd with parties concern'd 9b,r y,e [26 November] 26,th in presence of William Saxon Charles Yancey, W,m Harris Land proceSsiond with parties Concerned 9b,r 26,th in presence of William Harris, Rob,t Harris, Stephen Pettis, John Pettis [Pettus] Land proceSsion'd with parties concern'd 9b,t y,e 26,th in presence of William Harris, Rob,t Harris, Stephen Pettis, John Pettis; M,r Munrow's & James Terry's Lands being in one pattent and not divided, was proceSsioned only by James Terry Nov;r ye 28,th in presence of Joseph Tring(?) W. Roberts, Col,o WALKERS Land not proceSsion'd saying he was doubtful of the Indians in that remote place. [Signed] Edw,d Bradley, William Harris [Charles Yancey was the father of Robert Yancey, who married Temperance Dumas and was the brother-in-law of Benjamin Harris {ca. 1698-1762.} The Robert Harris above was the brother of William Harris {m. Temperance Overton.} Robert Harris married Elizabeth Turner in St. Peter's Parish, New Kent County, Virginia, in October of 1699 {CHAMBERLAYNE, Churchill Gibson: The Vestry Book and Register of St. Peter's Parish, New Kent and James City Counties, Virginia, 1684-1786; Published, 1937, by the Virginia Library Board, Library of Virginia, Richmond, VA, USA; p. 412 (Register p. 47.)} Elizabeth was the daughter of Mr. James Turner of that parish, whose death was noted in the Vestry book on the 22nd day of May "primo Regno Regis Jacobi Secundi" ("in the first year of the reign of King James II"-1685.) Elizabeth's brothers were James Turner, William Turner, Charles Turner, Henry Turner, John Turner, and George Turner. It is not certainly known by me if Elizabeth had sisters. Robert & Elizabeth Turner Harris had, certainly, Mercy Harris {1703-1710,} and Richard Harris {1709-ca. 1769; m. Margaret Kimbrough.} Richard & Margaret moved from Hanover Co., Virginia to Edgecombe Co., North Carolina in 1739 {(1) Ibid., pp. 361 (Register p. 14) & 432 (Register p. 79;) and (2) HOFMANN, Margaret M.: Abstracts of Deeds, Edgecombe Precinct, Edgecombe Co., NC, 1732-1758: As Found in Halifax Co., NC Public Registry Deed Books 1-6; Copyright, 1987, by M. M. Hofmann; Published, 1987, by Roanoke News Co., Windsor, NC, USA; ISBN #0-93776-105-2; p. 31.} It also seems highly-likely that Robert & Elizabeth Turner Harris also had sons Robert Harris and James Harris. {Robert and Elizabeth may also have had a daughter, Elizabeth, and a daughter, Patience?] ============================================ [END OF FILE] ============================================

I've been contacted by Lisa Yeary who represents a male for Harris Group 4 in the Harris Surname DNA Project. She would like to see some others in Group 4 upgrade their kits from 67 to 111 markers in order to better see any connections. She has been in contact with Max Blankfield of Family Tree DNA. If we can get at least 3 people to follow up on getting the 111-marker test, then the discount will be reduced from $129 to $99 for the upgrade. This would only apply to an upgrade from 67 markers to 111. Here is a copy of the correspondence: ___________________________ From: Max Blankfeld [mailto:max@ftdna.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 11:52 AM To: yeary Subject: Re: surname projects Lisa, If we have a minimum of 3 we can make it $99 Max BlankfeldVice-President, Operations and Marketinghttp://www.FamilyTreeDNA.com"History Unearthed Daily"max@familytreedna.com713-868-1438 ___________________________ You would need to contact FTDNA by phone to get this special discount and make reference to this e-mail message from Max Blankfield. Even if you are not part of Group 4, if you are part of the Harris Surname DNA Project, and decide to do this before the end of this week, you should still be able to obtain this discount of $99 for the upgrade from 67 to 111 markers. And please let me know if you decide to do this so that we can make sure we have the minimum number to participate. Sincerely, Glenn Gohrarchives_guy@hotmail.com

Good news from Pam Stone.  Thank you, Pam, for your forthcoming contributions. Evelyn W. Wallace ________________________________ From: Pam Stone <pamstone@cfl.rr.com> To: harris-hunters@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Benjamin Harrises Hi, all, I have always appreciated Evelyn's generosity in sharing her research, but I believe I have a few items she may not have run across that may clarify what I believe to have been two different Benjamin Harrises, one who died an older man in 1762, and the other a quite young man in 1765, both in Louisa Co., VA. I am currently working on compiling the records of both men, concentrating on the elder Benjamin first.  Due to my working full-time (how inconvenient!), plus the fact that I have discovered that I have a lot more documentation than I had thought, this little project is taking me longer than I had expected. Sometime in the next few days, I will begin to post all the documents, with sources, for both Benjamins. As Evelyn does, I request that anyone sharing the information please cite the proper sources that I will be giving (and there will be quite a number, not just on the Harrises but on other Virginia families of this area that are historically important to place, as well.) More to come! Everyone have a great day. Pam ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HARRIS-HUNTERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pam, There is another Benjamin Harris, Louisa, Goochland and then Powhatan County. He is mine. Born about 1716 and died in 1759. He was married to Anne Eppes, daughter of Col. Francis Eppes. Just throwing that one in the pot. Not sure if anyone wants info about that family but Anne Eppes ancestry goes through the Ishams back to medieval England. Anne is a DAR patriot. Her Benjamin died in 1759 before the revolution but two sons fought and she provided provisions several times. My brother is unmatched kit #74928 in the Harris DNA project. Close matches but not exact. Regards, Pauline Harris Schwarz