Dottie, it would only be strange if Thomas died prior to 1801. :) -Charlie Harris Group 6 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dottie Brentlinger" <[email protected]> To: "Harris-Hunters" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 2, 2020 11:56:23 AM Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Thomas Richardson HARRIS Thomas Richardson HARRIS has been mentioned as the father of my William M. HARRIS who was born in 1802. As Thomas was born in 1744 it seems unlikely but strange things happen. If this is true the DNA will be group 6 as one of my uncles tested and that was a straight line. I will be glad if this helps someone out there. Thomas' wife was Caroline Matilda. _______________________________________________   _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thomas Richardson HARRIS has been mentioned as the father of my William M. HARRIS who was born in 1802. As Thomas was born in 1744 it seems unlikely but strange things happen. If this is true the DNA will be group 6 as one of my uncles tested and that was a straight line. I will be glad if this helps someone out there. Thomas' wife was Caroline Matilda.

Hope my name is already listed. I look forward to activity. Pat thummel Sent from my iPad > On Jan 31, 2020, at 12:51 PM, patclare via HARRIS-HUNTERS <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Dear Group, > I sent out an invitation list today, except for those who had already signed up. All you have to do is REPLY to the e mail. > I also set the list (when it has messages) to send all new messages in one group in the mornings, rather than as individual e mails. Hopefully that will keep things in one place in your mail box. > > We have til March, so maybe now is the time think about what you want to start posting then. > I have set the list to moderation, so after one message you will be approved. This is so I know who is on the list and can eliminate any spam chances. > > We are having a few bugs with the e mail address, so I will be working on that. Will let you know when I get it solved. Please hold messages til I have this worked out. > > Pat Harris > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Does this group have a Project set up in GEDmatch? They have a fairly new feature called Ancestor Project. My wife is a member of their Taylor group. I know it is a lot of work to administrate but there might be interest. I have my DNA on GEDmatch. Thanks, Dennis Harris Sent from my iPhone Dennis Harris Fine Art www.dennisharrisfineart.com > On Jan 30, 2020, at 2:11 AM, Wanda Flesher <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks Pat, I've had a couple of busy days and couldn't get back to you > right away. > > I originally tested with 23andMe, and sent my info to Gedmatch Number > M447535 Wanda Thomas Flesher as you noted in your email. I also sent my > info to FT DNA, Kit B211576. I now have two male cousins (my 2nd cousins) > who are in the Thomas and Harris lines, who have tested with 23andMe. Do > you want their names? Would that help? > > Do I understand that I'm in Group 8? or barely so? ☺ I wish I could > understand how it works. Maybe someday it will 'click' with me. Thanks > for the information. > > And, how does this all work with my Thomas line? We've been stuck at > Reuben Thomas of Washington Co VA. There were several Reuben's born in his > era. I eliminated the one from Connecticut because he died in the Rev. War. > > You've been steadfast - we're grateful. Wanda > >> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 6:41 AM patclare via HARRIS-HUNTERS < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Wanda is on gedmatch >> >> >> M447535 (Wanda Thomas Flesher) >> >> >> This is one segment for a match to a DNA 8 man. >> >> >> 2 66,879,646 85,422,321 20.6 1,903 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> great numbers 7 and 700 are minimums CHROMO 2 >> >> >> that DNA 8 match matches another DNA 8 man, but on a different chromosome. >> >> >> I think we were able to connect her Thomas line >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> > > > -- > > > * All Choices Have **Consequences * > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thanks for clarifying the DNA 8. I have uploaded to gedmatch.com. M447535 Wanda Thomas Flesher. I've also uploaded to Family Tree DNA - Kit #B211576. But I don't know how to access them. How do I get more information about my Thomas line and a genetical match there? I did convince one of my male Thomas cousins to test. He tested with 23andMe, but may not have uploaded to gedmatch. Another male Thomas cousin, who was adopted out as an infant, has also tested with 23andMe, These cousins are first cousins to each other and 2nd cousins to me. Both of these men are in line with the Harris family, same as I am. I will go to gedmatch and see if I can figure out anything. If I can't find them, I'll talk to them about transferring their info to gedmatch. Thanks for your efforts. Really appreciate it. Wanda On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 8:50 AM patclare via HARRIS-HUNTERS < [email protected]> wrote: > Your Henry Harris has no proved Y DNA unless you find a male Harris from > the line and test him, so we can't say DNA 8. > 23andMe does not help unless donors upload to gedmatch.com, a clearing > house for autosomal kits from all companies. > > We have had luck matching your Thomas line genetically, though. > > > > In a message dated 1/30/2020 3:11:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Thanks Pat, I've had a couple of busy days and couldn't get back to you > right away. > > I originally tested with 23andMe, and sent my info to Gedmatch Number > M447535 Wanda Thomas Flesher as you noted in your email. I also sent my > info to FT DNA, Kit B211576. I now have two male cousins (my 2nd cousins) > who are in the Thomas and Harris lines, who have tested with 23andMe. Do > you want their names? Would that help? > > Do I understand that I'm in Group 8? or barely so? ☺ I wish I could > understand how it works. Maybe someday it will 'click' with me. Thanks > for the information. > > And, how does this all work with my Thomas line? We've been stuck at > Reuben Thomas of Washington Co VA. There were several Reuben's born in his > era. I eliminated the one from Connecticut because he died in the Rev. > War. > > You've been steadfast - we're grateful. Wanda > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 6:41 AM patclare via HARRIS-HUNTERS < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Wanda is on gedmatch > > > > > > M447535 (Wanda Thomas Flesher) > > > > > > This is one segment for a match to a DNA 8 man. > > > > > > 2 66,879,646 85,422,321 20.6 1,903 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > great numbers 7 and 700 are minimums CHROMO 2 > > > > > > that DNA 8 match matches another DNA 8 man, but on a different > chromosome. > > > > > > I think we were able to connect her Thomas line > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > > community > > > > > -- > > > * All Choices Have **Consequences * > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- * All Choices Have **Consequences *

Hi, Pat, My name is Judi Harris Oldridge and I have been a member of the Harris-Hunters group for years and years! Since I did not get the invitation you mentioned below, I thought I had better ask if can I sign up also. Wow, Genealogy has changed so very much since I started in 1968 to track my family lines!!! I am constantly amazed at the plethora of inaccurate info listed on the old Gen Websites that they never corrected or removed. Thank you for your time and all your work! Sincerely, Judi Harris Oldridge Out of James M. Harris II – York County, S.C. Out of Claude J. Harris – York County, S.C. Out of James Monroe Harris – Sumter County, SC. And York County as well Out of George W. Harris – Rutherford County, N.C. and later Gaffney, S.C. and York County, S.C. ( I am descended from the first wife when he lived in Rutherford County, N.C. and Gaffney, S.C.) Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: patclare via HARRIS-HUNTERS<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 11:52 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Cc: patclare<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] group.io Dear Group, I sent out an invitation list today, except for those who had already signed up. All you have to do is REPLY to the e mail. I also set the list (when it has messages) to send all new messages in one group in the mornings, rather than as individual e mails. Hopefully that will keep things in one place in your mail box. We have til March, so maybe now is the time think about what you want to start posting then. I have set the list to moderation, so after one message you will be approved. This is so I know who is on the list and can eliminate any spam chances. We are having a few bugs with the e mail address, so I will be working on that. Will let you know when I get it solved. Please hold messages til I have this worked out. Pat Harris _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Dear Group, I sent out an invitation list today, except for those who had already signed up.  All you have to do is REPLY to the e mail. I also set the list (when it has messages)   to send all new messages in one group in the mornings, rather than as individual e mails.  Hopefully that will keep things in one place in your mail box. We have til March, so maybe now is the time think about what you want to start posting then. I have set the list to moderation, so after one message you will be approved.  This is so I know who is on  the list and can eliminate any spam chances. We are having a few bugs with the e mail address, so I will be working on that.    Will let you know when I get it solved.    Please hold messages til I have this worked out.  Pat Harris

Your Henry Harris has no proved Y DNA unless you find a male Harris from the line and test him, so we can't say DNA 8. 23andMe does not help unless donors  upload to gedmatch.com, a clearing house for autosomal kits from all companies. We have had luck matching your Thomas line genetically, though. In a message dated 1/30/2020 3:11:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Thanks Pat,  I've had a couple of busy days and couldn't get back to you right away. I originally  tested with 23andMe, and sent my info to Gedmatch Number M447535 Wanda Thomas Flesher as you noted in your email.  I also sent my info to FT DNA, Kit B211576.  I now have two male cousins (my 2nd cousins) who are in the Thomas and Harris lines, who have tested with 23andMe.  Do you want their names?  Would that help? Do I understand that I'm in Group 8? or barely so? ☺  I wish I could understand how it works.  Maybe someday it will 'click' with me.  Thanks for the information. And, how does this all work with my Thomas line?  We've been stuck at Reuben Thomas of Washington Co VA.  There were several Reuben's born in his era.  I eliminated the one from Connecticut because he died in the Rev. War. You've been steadfast - we're grateful.      Wanda On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 6:41 AM patclare via HARRIS-HUNTERS < [email protected]> wrote: > Wanda is on gedmatch > > > M447535 (Wanda Thomas Flesher) > > > This is one segment for a match to a DNA 8 man. > > > 2  66,879,646          85,422,321          20.6        1,903 >>>>>>>>>>>>> > great numbers 7 and 700 are minimums CHROMO 2 > > > that DNA 8 match matches another DNA 8 man, but on a different chromosome. > > > I think we were able to connect her Thomas line > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- *                            All Choices Have **Consequences  * _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thanks Pat, I've had a couple of busy days and couldn't get back to you right away. I originally tested with 23andMe, and sent my info to Gedmatch Number M447535 Wanda Thomas Flesher as you noted in your email. I also sent my info to FT DNA, Kit B211576. I now have two male cousins (my 2nd cousins) who are in the Thomas and Harris lines, who have tested with 23andMe. Do you want their names? Would that help? Do I understand that I'm in Group 8? or barely so? ☺ I wish I could understand how it works. Maybe someday it will 'click' with me. Thanks for the information. And, how does this all work with my Thomas line? We've been stuck at Reuben Thomas of Washington Co VA. There were several Reuben's born in his era. I eliminated the one from Connecticut because he died in the Rev. War. You've been steadfast - we're grateful. Wanda On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 6:41 AM patclare via HARRIS-HUNTERS < [email protected]> wrote: > Wanda is on gedmatch > > > M447535 (Wanda Thomas Flesher) > > > This is one segment for a match to a DNA 8 man. > > > 2 66,879,646 85,422,321 20.6 1,903 >>>>>>>>>>>>> > great numbers 7 and 700 are minimums CHROMO 2 > > > that DNA 8 match matches another DNA 8 man, but on a different chromosome. > > > I think we were able to connect her Thomas line > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- * All Choices Have **Consequences *

I am re-posting the information developed thus far for the John Harris family of Harris DNA Group 4. DNA Group affiliation based on 67 marker test taken in 2012. 1. John Harris, b. abt. 1771-1774. Unknown Parents. Lived Spartanburg Co., SC by 1795. Moved to Franklin Co., TN by 1820. Franklin Co., TN divided into Coffee Co. in 1836 + Anna Sheid (Shed), b. 1776-Loudon Co., VA, Dau. of Wm. Shed (1756-1841) and Elizabeth Headen (1758-1834). Wm. Shed b. 1756-Loudon Co., VA, Lived Pendleton, SC in 1810, Pickens Co., SC in 1830 2 John Harris, b. abt. 1794-SC, Lived Coffee Co., TN in 1840 census. Moved away before 1850 census to unknown location. Unknown Spouse 3 Unknown ten children 2 Abel K. Harris. B. abt. 1796-Spartanburg, SC, Mar. 1834 to Susan Emeline Woolley in Perry Co., AL, d. 1870-Bibb Co., AL 3 Robert Spring Harris, b. 1836-Bibb Co., AL, mar. 1857 to Martha Elizabeth Mason in Bibb Co., AL, d. 1908-Jones Co., TX (DNA Test taken by great-grandson of this Harris) 2 Lewis Harris, b. 1805-Spartanburg, SC, Mar. 1825 to Sineigh Cunnyngham in Coffee Co., TN, Lived Perry Co., AL, d. 1867-Coffee Co., TN 3 Ten Known Children 2 William W. (West?) Harris., b. 1809-Spartanburg Co., SC, mar. abt. 1832 to Mary Jane Crockett in Coffee Co., TN, d. 1892 Coffee Co., TN 3 Ten Known Children 2 Robert Oliver Harris, b.. abt. 1813-Spartanburg, TN, mar. (1) 1835 to Lydia Massey in Perry Co., AL, mar. (2) to Talitha C. Richardson, d. 1874 in Perry Co., AL 3 Twelve Known Children by Two Wives 2 Andrew J. Harris, b. abt 1816-Prob. Spartanburg Co., South Carolina, mar. abt. 1839 to Rosanna, Believe lived in Franklin Co., AL as of 1850 3 Nine Known Children 2 Elizabeth J. Harris, b. abt. 1819-South Carolina (?), d. 1841-Perry Co., AL, Not Married 3 No Known Children 2 James Robinson Harris, b. abt. 1823-Franklin Co., TN, Lived in Coffee Co., TN as of 1838, Alive in 1845, Unknown Spouse, d. Unknown 3 No Known Children If any of these Harris family members fit into your genealogy please contact me to share info. The possibility of William W. Harris (1809-1892) having the middle name of West or Weston links this Harris family to others bearing the "West" name in Spartanburg Co., South Carolina and in North Carolina. Similarly, the middle name of "Oliver" for Robert O. Harris (1813-1874) links this Harris family to known "Oliver" family connections to DNA Group 4. Regards, Warren B. Carah E-Mail: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>

Thank you Pat for all of your hard work in helping to unravel the Edward Champion Harris mystery since my husband got his 111 y test and matched no Harris. I would like to encourage other members with his line in their tree to remove parental lines for him and hopefully put an end to incorrect parental lineage for him that people continue to add to their tree. I have posted the info under Edward Champion in my tree in a fact entitled “DNA/Surname”. Maybe we will eventually find the female Harris and the Morrison male. Thanks, Jean Harris Sent from my iPad > On Jan 29, 2020, at 08:28, patclare via HARRIS-HUNTERS <[email protected]> wrote: > >  > I wanted to bring the list up to date on some research I have been doing with a couple donors from this line. > Edward Champion Harris b ca 1784 SC, found in Laurens SC census >GA>Henry Alabama >MS > > wife Lucy Selena (mother Partow) Davenport > > > > > Edward C Harris > in the 1820 United States Federal CensusSaved to: > Harris, Edward Champion in tree > View1820 United States Federal Census > View blank form > Add alternate information > Report issue > Name: Edward C Harris > Home in 1820 (City, County, State): Laurens, South Carolina > Enumeration Date: August 7, 1820 > > Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 4 >>>>>>>>>>>>> > Free White Persons - Males - 26 thru 44: 1 > Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 15: 1 > Free White Persons - Females - 26 thru 44: 1 > Slaves - Males - 14 thru 25: 1 > Number of Persons - Engaged in Agriculture: 1 > Free White Persons - Under 16: 5 > Free White Persons - Over 25: 2 > Total Free White Persons: 7 > Total Slaves: 1 > Total All Persons - White, Slaves, Colored, Other: > 1820 U S Census; Census Place: Laurens, South Carolina; Page: 8; NARA Roll: M33_121; Image: 24https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/7734/4433457_00024?pid=979486&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?dbid%3D7734%26h%3D979486%26indiv%3Dtry%26o_vc%3DRecord:OtherRecord%26rhSource%3D8054&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&usePUBJs=true&_ga=2.194399149.1008626522.1579806360-1783291327.1494166593&_gac=1.47950805.1578178111.CjwKCAiAjMHwBRAVEiwAzdLWGP7Hd5hh94HRX4A8Rbyn_Xa7V5A37-_SD4iuAM-lkX6PFFcBrRZUUBoCKcAQAvD_BwE > This man is not to be confused with Edward Harris DNA 8 ca 1745 /Mary Polly Johnson of the same place who only had one son and about seven daughters. (son Johnson Harris ) > > In the period 1820 to 1830 ECH moved to Atlana DeKalb GA where he had two children who are represented in his 1850 census of Henry AL. > > > In 1840 he is in Henry AL, and in 1850 he is listed twice: > > Year: 1840; Census Place: Henry, Alabama; Roll: 6; Page: 175; Family History Library Film: 0002333 > https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/8057/4410610_00360?pid=1947910&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3DoGy3065%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D8057%26gsfn%3DEdward%26gsln%3DHarris%26msrpn__ftp%3Dhenry,%2520alabama,%2520usa%26msrpn%3D1347%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26uidh%3Ddm1%26redir%3Dfalse%26msT%3D1%26gss%3Dangs-d%26pcat%3D35%26fh%3D0%26h%3D1947910%26recoff%3D%26ml_rpos%3D1%26queryId%3D1a53e4691b3f7c158d4167b5e579818b&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=oGy3065&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true > > > 1850 > 24 October 1850 dwelling 825 >>>>>>>>>>twice listed > E C Harris > in the 1850 United States Federal CensusSaved to: > Harris, Edward Champion in tree "Jeanharrisfamilytree" > View1850 United States Federal Census > View blank form > Add alternate information > Report issue > Name: E C Harris > Age: 66 > Birth Year: abt 1784 > Birthplace: South Carolina > Home in 1850: Southern District, Henry, Alabama, USA > Gender: Male > Family Number: 839 > Household Members: > Name Age > E C Harris 66 SC > Lucy P Harris 61 VAJohn L Harris 23 GA 1827 JOHN LEE HARRIS > Valena Harris 21 GA 1829 > Save Cancel > Source Citation > Year: 1850; Census Place: Southern District, Henry, Alabama; Roll: M432_6; Page: 435B; Image: 385https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/8054/4187296-00385?pid=18472819&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3DoGy3049%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D8054%26gsfn%3DEdward%26gsln%3DHarris%26msbdy%3D1784%26msbdy_x%3D1%26msbdp%3D10%26msbpn__ftp%3Dnewton,%2520mississippi,%2520usa%26msbpn%3D2170%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26uidh%3Ddm1%26redir%3Dfalse%26msT%3D1%26gss%3Dangs-d%26pcat%3D35%26fh%3D11%26h%3D18472819%26recoff%3D%26ml_rpos%3D12%26queryId%3D3f35938daea4c6bbc1fdb3594d071ea4&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=oGy3049&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true > E C Harris > in the 1850 United States Federal Census > 17 Oct 1850 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Saved to: > Harris, Edward Champion in tree "Jeanharrisfamilytree" > View1850 United States Federal Census > View blank form > Add alternate information > Report issue > Name: E C Harris > Age: 66 > Birth Year: abt 1784 > Birthplace: South Carolina > Home in 1850: Southern District, Henry, Alabama, USA > Gender: Male > Family Number: 711 > Household Members: > Name Age > E C Harris 66 > Lucy Harris 61 > John Harris 23 > Larrina Harris 21 > Save Cancel > > Year: 1850; Census Place: Southern District, Henry, Alabama; Roll: M432_6; Page: 427A; Image: 368https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/8054/4187296-00368?pid=18472108&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3DoGy3052%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D8054%26gsfn%3DEdward%26gsln%3DHarris%26msbdy%3D1784%26msbdy_x%3D1%26msbdp%3D10%26msbpn__ftp%3Dnewton,%2520mississippi,%2520usa%26msbpn%3D2170%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26uidh%3Ddm1%26redir%3Dfalse%26msT%3D1%26gss%3Dangs-d%26pcat%3D35%26fh%3D12%26h%3D18472108%26recoff%3D%26ml_rpos%3D13%26queryId%3D3f35938daea4c6bbc1fdb3594andd071ea4&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=oGy3052&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true > > Two sons of Edward Champion Harris have tested. One has a 111/4 or 5 Y match to the Morrison line (no Harris continues to 111) > > Another man is planning to be Y tested from a brother line to the above man. > > Both lines have autosomal kits that match each other on common chromosomes and common segments with I feel represent the Davenport line as the only common ancestor in the match trees on FTDNA. > > We will know more when the second Y test comes in. > > > Several of us had tentatively placed Edward Champion Harris with Group DNA 6, but with Morrison Y DNA, we may be looking at a Harris female in area of Laurens SC. > > Pat Harris > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Wanda is on gedmatch M447535 (Wanda Thomas Flesher) This is one segment for a match to a DNA 8 man.  2  66,879,646          85,422,321          20.6         1,903 >>>>>>>>>>>>> great numbers 7 and 700 are minimums CHROMO 2 that DNA 8 match matches another DNA 8 man, but on a different chromosome. I think we were able to connect her Thomas line

I wanted to bring the list up to date on some research I have been doing with a couple donors from this line. Edward Champion Harris b ca 1784 SC, found in Laurens SC census >GA>Henry Alabama >MS wife Lucy Selena (mother Partow)  Davenport Edward C Harris in the 1820 United States Federal CensusSaved to: Harris, Edward Champion in tree  View1820 United States Federal Census View blank form Add alternate information Report issue Name: Edward C Harris Home in 1820 (City, County, State): Laurens, South Carolina Enumeration Date: August 7, 1820 Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 4 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Free White Persons - Males - 26 thru 44: 1 Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 15: 1 Free White Persons - Females - 26 thru 44: 1 Slaves - Males - 14 thru 25: 1 Number of Persons - Engaged in Agriculture: 1 Free White Persons - Under 16: 5 Free White Persons - Over 25: 2 Total Free White Persons: 7 Total Slaves: 1 Total All Persons - White, Slaves, Colored, Other: 1820 U S Census; Census Place: Laurens, South Carolina; Page: 8; NARA Roll: M33_121; Image: 24https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/7734/4433457_00024?pid=979486&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?dbid%3D7734%26h%3D979486%26indiv%3Dtry%26o_vc%3DRecord:OtherRecord%26rhSource%3D8054&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&usePUBJs=true&_ga=2.194399149.1008626522.1579806360-1783291327.1494166593&_gac=1.47950805.1578178111.CjwKCAiAjMHwBRAVEiwAzdLWGP7Hd5hh94HRX4A8Rbyn_Xa7V5A37-_SD4iuAM-lkX6PFFcBrRZUUBoCKcAQAvD_BwE This man is not to be confused with Edward Harris DNA 8 ca 1745  /Mary Polly Johnson of the same place who only had one son and about seven daughters. (son Johnson Harris ) In the period 1820 to 1830 ECH  moved to Atlana DeKalb GA where he had two children who are represented in his 1850 census of Henry AL.  In 1840 he is in Henry AL, and in 1850 he is listed twice: Year: 1840; Census Place: Henry, Alabama; Roll: 6; Page: 175; Family History Library Film: 0002333 https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/8057/4410610_00360?pid=1947910&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3DoGy3065%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D8057%26gsfn%3DEdward%26gsln%3DHarris%26msrpn__ftp%3Dhenry,%2520alabama,%2520usa%26msrpn%3D1347%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26uidh%3Ddm1%26redir%3Dfalse%26msT%3D1%26gss%3Dangs-d%26pcat%3D35%26fh%3D0%26h%3D1947910%26recoff%3D%26ml_rpos%3D1%26queryId%3D1a53e4691b3f7c158d4167b5e579818b&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=oGy3065&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true 1850 24 October 1850 dwelling 825 >>>>>>>>>>twice listed E C Harris in the 1850 United States Federal CensusSaved to: Harris, Edward Champion in tree "Jeanharrisfamilytree" View1850 United States Federal Census View blank form Add alternate information Report issue Name: E C Harris Age: 66 Birth Year: abt 1784 Birthplace: South Carolina Home in 1850: Southern District, Henry, Alabama, USA Gender: Male Family Number: 839 Household Members: Name Age E C Harris 66 SC Lucy P Harris 61 VAJohn L Harris 23 GA 1827 JOHN LEE HARRIS Valena Harris 21 GA 1829 Save Cancel Source Citation Year: 1850; Census Place: Southern District, Henry, Alabama; Roll: M432_6; Page: 435B; Image: 385https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/8054/4187296-00385?pid=18472819&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3DoGy3049%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D8054%26gsfn%3DEdward%26gsln%3DHarris%26msbdy%3D1784%26msbdy_x%3D1%26msbdp%3D10%26msbpn__ftp%3Dnewton,%2520mississippi,%2520usa%26msbpn%3D2170%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26uidh%3Ddm1%26redir%3Dfalse%26msT%3D1%26gss%3Dangs-d%26pcat%3D35%26fh%3D11%26h%3D18472819%26recoff%3D%26ml_rpos%3D12%26queryId%3D3f35938daea4c6bbc1fdb3594d071ea4&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=oGy3049&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true E C Harris in the 1850 United States Federal Census 17 Oct 1850 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saved to: Harris, Edward Champion in tree "Jeanharrisfamilytree" View1850 United States Federal Census View blank form Add alternate information Report issue Name: E C Harris Age: 66 Birth Year: abt 1784 Birthplace: South Carolina Home in 1850: Southern District, Henry, Alabama, USA Gender: Male Family Number: 711 Household Members: Name Age E C Harris 66 Lucy Harris 61 John Harris 23 Larrina Harris 21 Save Cancel Year: 1850; Census Place: Southern District, Henry, Alabama; Roll: M432_6; Page: 427A; Image: 368https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/8054/4187296-00368?pid=18472108&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3DoGy3052%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D8054%26gsfn%3DEdward%26gsln%3DHarris%26msbdy%3D1784%26msbdy_x%3D1%26msbdp%3D10%26msbpn__ftp%3Dnewton,%2520mississippi,%2520usa%26msbpn%3D2170%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26uidh%3Ddm1%26redir%3Dfalse%26msT%3D1%26gss%3Dangs-d%26pcat%3D35%26fh%3D12%26h%3D18472108%26recoff%3D%26ml_rpos%3D13%26queryId%3D3f35938daea4c6bbc1fdb3594andd071ea4&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=oGy3052&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true Two sons of Edward Champion Harris have tested.   One has a 111/4 or 5  Y  match to the Morrison line (no Harris continues to 111) Another man is planning to be Y tested from a brother line to the above man. Both lines have autosomal kits that match each other on common chromosomes and common segments with I feel represent the Davenport line as the only common ancestor in the match trees on FTDNA. We will know more when the second Y test comes in. Several of us had tentatively placed Edward Champion Harris with Group DNA 6, but with Morrison Y DNA, we may be looking at a Harris female in area of Laurens SC. Pat Harris

I'm sorry to find rootsweb HH list closing, however glad to hear of the .io group. My father's dna is kit #20924 of the original chart, which became Group 22. While I have not submitted an 'earliest known ancestor,' we do have some direction in our thoughts. The primary evidence paper-trail ends with my 3rd great grandfather, William Harris, who was born on August 13, 1798, in PA who married Betsey SHARP. Based on a preponderance of family evidence whose stories concur from 3 different lines descended from William's siblings -- without collaboration or knowledge of each other -- we find that William was born in Kingston, Luzerne PA and was son of William Harris Sr. born about 1771, died 1836 Kingston, Luzerne PA. From William, Sr. we have documented generations - Elijah - Peter - Ebenezer - to original immigrant ancestor Thomas Harris b. 1618 Gloucester, England and d. August 16, 1687 Ipswich, MA who m. Martha LAKE. Thomas's ancestry: Thomas, Sr. who m. Elizabeth (Hills) - William - John Harris 1517-1585 Hatherup, Gloucester, England who m. Anne Annis. We find the evidence for this descent sufficiently 'muddled' through the years due to errors in printed genealogies that have been based upon a collection of lineage for Northeastern PA, the 'Michael Shoemaker' book. So many historians took his material as truth, however there are many mistakes. My Harris line, for instance. he erroneously identifies Wm. of Kingston to another Wm. Harris in Lehman township, Luzerne county PA and assigns Wm. of Kingston the other guy's wife and children. ! Secondary sources, ugh. With census records before me, I waded through each and every date of Wm. of Lehman's children and concluded No foundation for this man's children being Wm. of Kingston's. Their ages do not match up on further census records nor on their tombstones. After showing Shoemaker incorrect, I looked again at notes in my file. William of Kingston had a brother, Charles whose explorations of the Wyoming Valley PA are in numerous books. He fought in the revolution, and -- while his exploits are well documented - his younger brother William is mostly ignored in the literature of the time. The next step was to ascertain where my Wm. was born. One of my Harris connections sent me information that Wm. Harris' neighbor Ephraim KILLAM's wife was, in fact, Louisa HARRIS. I found a KILLAM genealogy and the current researcher verified, Louisa Harris was b. in Kingston PA. Another Killam source revealed William and Louisa to have three sisters, and I studied their husbands' genealogies to find missing pieces. Three family histories independent of each other include HARRIS line details, and each of them states that my Wm. was b. Kingston and grandson of Elijah HARRIS. How interesting! Looking again at my notes, the puzzle came more clear in many smaller details. I find Wm.'s sister to be called 'Fannie' - she is Frances Harris, sister to Wm. of Kingston. And so with 35+ years looking for connections, we do find secondary sources can sometimes be accurate! Holly Harris Jagger PS - for email, first initial followed by my married name @echoes.net

Wanda, I am re-posting a note you sent to Ira some years ago so the list has your information. Hopefully someone will look through their files and see if anything clicks. As I understand it, there are no males to test from your line, so there is no way to give you a Y structure match unless a male  can be tracked down and agrees to test. If you have done genetic testing at FTDNA, we could look at your results and  put  your codes into GEDMATCH.com to hopefully find cousin matches "around" your family that might lead us to the right group. The FamilyFinder returns results for both women and men, so very helpful.  Pat  WANDA WROTE TO IRA: > > I've made some progress on my Henry Harris, b 1742 in Orange Co, VA., died > 1835 in Madison Co, *KENTUCKY.* (There is some confusion with a Henry > Harris, b VA, who died in 1833 in Madison Co,* Alabama*. Both fought in Rev > War). Henry's,( b 1742, died 1835) father is Moses Harris, b 1712 in Orange > Co VA and died 1779 in Henry Co VA. Both Henry and Moses moved with their > families from Orange Co VA to Henry Co VA. Moses Harris's (b 1712) father > is Henry Harris (b 1690, and is "of" Spotsylvania Co VA, meaning he lived > there at some point in his life, and I have no info about where he was > born), died abt 1746 in Orange Co VA. (Orange Co was formed from > Spotsylvania and it could be, that he never moved.) > *Henry Harris* (1742, wife is Anna Byrd or Bird; children,Winnefred Harris,Elizabeth Betty Harris,Martha Patsy Harris,Nancy, Rhoda Harris,  Zebulon Harris > *Moses Harris* (1712), wife is Sarah: children,Ester Harris,Henry Harris,  John Harris,Elizabeth Betty Harris.  *Henry Harris* (1690), wife is Ester: children,Moses Harris,perhaps  others. > > Does anyone see a connection? I would love to hear from you. I'm always > willing share info and sources. > > Thank you. Wanda Thomas Flesher In a message dated 1/28/2020 6:15:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Thanks, Pat.  I'm signed up for another group on groups.io. and I will sign up for g/Harris, as well. Question:  How can I find out which Harris dna group that I'm in? I've had my dna done for a long time but I'm slow at understanding it all.  Thanks for any help. Wanda Thomas Flesher O

Thanks, Pat. I'm signed up for another group on groups.io. and I will sign up for g/Harris, as well. Question: How can I find out which Harris dna group that I'm in? I've had my dna done for a long time but I'm slow at understanding it all. Thanks for any help. Wanda Thomas Flesher On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 9:46 AM patclare via HARRIS-HUNTERS < [email protected]> wrote: > Dear Group, > > > We have been approved for a page at groups.io for Harris, specifically > for Harris genealogy. > > That is the only way I could set it up, so it will not say Harris-Hunters. > > At this time, we have the free membership. Other memberships are > available, but costly, and in the future there may be problems carrying on > a paid subscription. I think we should see how the free membership works > for now. > > > > When I am satisfied that I have it set up correctly, I will be able to > send you an invitation to the page that you may accept or decline. We > have until March 2, so there is time. > Ancestry will archive all that is in the Harris-Hunters posts, so > Harris-Hunters will be searchable in the future. > In the meantime, > > > People may want to post a "farewell" message on the mailing list before it > goes to archives, with a synopsis of your family history and in this > message you MAY consider including an email you plan to keep for the > foreseeable future. It should be a web based e mail like Yahoo, Google, > AOL, etc. whatever you have (or not) . > I would suggest you add the groups.io website to your message to let > people know where your information is going if you choose to post to the > new group. > > https://groups.io/g/Harris > > For some reason we were assigned a group of elephants, but that's okay > with me :) > > There are some size limitations on posts on the new site, so I would not > suggest a huge dump of information at one time. > > Thanks to everyone for their interest in all the various Harris lines! > > Pat Harris > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- * All Choices Have **Consequences *

The Harris family line that i look at (FG #27) is very small. There are 3 yDNA participants who match to make up this group. All three participants have ties to either Buckingham County, VA quite early in the develop from Buckingham/Appomatox….to the coal fields of WV in the early 20th century…..the hey day of that area. However, it is somewhat unusual that two of these early Harris lines consisted of a male Harris who married wife who had maiden name Harris. William Harris married Lou Rita (Lurita) Harris. Lurita was the daughter of John Harris of Cumberland County. John names Lurita in his will of 1794. He names other children as well as wife, Eliza. I have often wondered if this John Harris may have been connected to one of the large family groups of the Harris DNA project. Another of our three participants connects to Samuel G. Harris who married Tryphena Harris in Buckingham County in 1790. This couple is found in Union County, SC on a deed by 1807. Trey has wondered if Tryphena could connect to family group #8. Trey says that Tryphena’s father was Thomas Harris married to Sally Lacy and that they were from Goochland County. Trey and I had chatted about the fact that I also have an ancestor named Sarah/Sally Lacy who married Perrin Farrar in1757. And that bride and groom were from Goochland and Hanover area. The third participant belonged to a researcher who is now deceased. I was lucky enough to have visited her while she was still well. Ann’s earliest known Harris ancestor is George Washington Harris of Union County, SC All the census records say that this man was born in SC. It would seem likely that George Washington Harris was either a brother or a cousin to Trey’s Flemming Matthew Harris as they were born within a year of each other. And both were born in SC. Ann’s Harris family is connected to the Glen family and the Coleman family. These seem to be names from dna FG#6…but this may be coincidence. Ann says that the story is that George Washington Harris was the overseer on Nathan Glen’s platation. There is intermarrige between the Glen family and Ann’s Harris family. And last but not least, my mother-in-law tested at FTDNA for me before she died. Her results are identified by Sue Harris Moses. Her results have also been uploaded to gedmatch. She has at least one dna match that confirm her connection to John Harris of Cumberland County with will of 1794. Thanks Pat for rescuing this list and moving it to groups.io <http://groups.io/> I look forward to chatting more on our new venue. Marsha Hawkins Moses

Thank you for all your hard work for the group. I will be glad to if the new website a try. Tammy Omer ________________________________ From: patclare via HARRIS-HUNTERS <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 11:46 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Cc: patclare <[email protected]> Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Harris-Hunters /Harris move to groups.io Dear Group, We have been approved for a page at groups.io for Harris, specifically for Harris genealogy. That is the only way I could set it up, so it will not say Harris-Hunters. At this time, we have the free membership. Other memberships are available, but costly, and in the future there may be problems carrying on a paid subscription. I think we should see how the free membership works for now. When I am satisfied that I have it set up correctly, I will be able to send you an invitation to the page that you may accept or decline. We have until March 2, so there is time. Ancestry will archive all that is in the Harris-Hunters posts, so Harris-Hunters will be searchable in the future. In the meantime, People may want to post a "farewell" message on the mailing list before it goes to archives, with a synopsis of your family history and in this message you MAY consider including an email you plan to keep for the foreseeable future. It should be a web based e mail like Yahoo, Google, AOL, etc. whatever you have (or not) . I would suggest you add the groups.io website to your message to let people know where your information is going if you choose to post to the new group. https://groups.io/g/Harris For some reason we were assigned a group of elephants, but that's okay with me :) There are some size limitations on posts on the new site, so I would not suggest a huge dump of information at one time. Thanks to everyone for their interest in all the various Harris lines! Pat Harris _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Yes I agree thank you for keeping us al connected! Kristin Johnson Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 28, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Charles Harris <[email protected]> wrote: > >  > Thank you so much, Pat, for all your hard work in keeping this group together! I think the Group owes you a dinner at your favorite restaurant. :) > > -Charlie Harris > Harris DNA Gro up 6 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "patclare via HARRIS-HUNTERS" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Cc: "patclare" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 12:46:33 PM > Subject: [HARRIS-HUNTERS] Harris-Hunters /Harris move to groups.io > > Dear Group, > > > We have been approved for a page at groups.io for Harris, specifically for Harris genealogy. > > That is the only way I could set it up, so it will not say Harris-Hunters. > > At this time, we have the free membership. Other memberships are available, but costly, and in the future there may be problems carrying on a paid subscription. I think we should see how the free membership works for now. > > > > When I am satisfied that I have it set up correctly, I will be able to send you an invitation to the page that you may accept or decline. We have until March 2, so there is time. > Ancestry will archive all that is in the Harris-Hunters posts, so Harris-Hunters will be searchable in the future. > In the meantime, > > > People may want to post a "farewell" message on the mailing list before it goes to archives, with a synopsis of your family history and in this message you MAY consider including an email you plan to keep for the foreseeable future. It should be a web based e mail like Yahoo, Google, AOL, etc. whatever you have (or not) . > I would suggest you add the groups.io website to your message to let people know where your information is going if you choose to post to the new group. > > https://groups.io/g/Harris > > For some reason we were assigned a group of elephants, but that's okay with me :) > > There are some size limitations on posts on the new site, so I would not suggest a huge dump of information at one time. > > Thanks to everyone for their interest in all the various Harris lines! > > Pat Harris > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community