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Hello, Liane: Could the Ben Harper in this short outline tree be your Benjamine? If so, then he is related to the Ferryman. This Ben's greatgrandfather, Josiah Harper, Was the Ferryman's brother. Descendants of William Harper, (Sr.?) 1 William HARPER, (Sr.?) b: February 22, 1810 in AL d: February 02, 1873 in Winston County, MS .. +Lucinda B. FULLER b: May 15, 1811 in TN m: September 13, 1832 in Tuscaloosa County, AL d: March 27, 1894 in Winston County, MS ........ 2 William E. HARPER, (Jr?) b: February 1839 in Alabama d: November 19, 1904 in Wood County, Texas ............ +Annie E. ROBBINS b: May 1846 in Mississippi m: October 03, 1865 in Noxubee County, MS d: 1906 Father: Jno. B. ROBBINS Mother: Nancy _____? ........ 2 Thomas C. HARPER b: December 28, 1844 in AL d: September 22, 1900 in Union Township, Pulaski County, Arkansas ............ +Malissa Louise. BRYANT b: Abt. 1844 in Mississippi m: November 01, 1866 in Louisville, Winston County, Mississippi d: Unknown in Arkansas Father: Richard Forest BRYANT Mother: Elizabeth CARTER ........ 2 BEN HARPER b: Abt. 1847 in Mississippi <<THIS ONE ........ 2 Joseph P. (Ias.? ) HARPER b: Abt. 1849 in MS ........ 2 Zack T. HARPER b: July 28, 1850 d: February 25, 1914 in Tupelo. Lee Co., MS ............ +Annie E. ROGERS b: February 09, 1855 d: July 26, 1926 in Tupelo. Lee Co., MS ........ 2 Emily HARPER b: November 28, 1851 in MS d: August 24, 1926 in Winston Co.,MS ............ +Theodore McKee BENNETT b: October 02, 1849 in MS m: Abt. 1875 d: August 17, 1911 in Winston Co.,MS ........ 2 John H. B. HARPER b: Abt. September 1854 in Mississippi d: September 21, 1864 in Winston Co.,MS ........ 2 Hattie F. HARPER b: Bet. 1857 - 1858 in MS d: December 16, 1889 in Winston County, MS ............ +John C. HOLDER b: October 18, 1845 in MS m: January 15, 1879 in Winston County, MS d: April 15, 1914 in Burnside, MS Good hunting, Wallace Troy Harper Reply to tharper@pacific.net OR troy_harper@bigfoot.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liane & Starr Elliot" <tetrareris@yahoo.com> To: <HARPER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 12:56 PM Subject: [HARPER] Connection to Harpers Ferry > Recently my Mother told me that there had been talk in > the family that her Harpers often spoke of Harpers > Ferry. A possibility my Harpers are from that area is > high. I've been able to go back to a Benjamin Harper > thus far, but he's been a brick wall since I started > my research. > > http://www.angelfire.com/realm/survivors/Harper.wpd > is my Harper family tree thus far. Any assistance > helpful! > > Liane Elliiot > > ===== > Until all are one, we shall remember - The Survivors! > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > ______________________________

It was Henry Harper and sons. It was on a fairly early map. ca 1820. Margaret R. Amundson, CGsm is a service mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by Board-certified associates after periodic proficiency evaluations.

No, sorry. Margaret R. Amundson, CGsm is a service mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by Board-certified associates after periodic proficiency evaluations.

Could you tell me which Harper family in Abbeville, SC operated a ferry to Elbert Co., Ga.? Glenda Harper Strange

For anyone else that may have had trouble getting to the address I gave , here is the Will: Will of Robert Harper In the name of God Amen I Robert Harper of Berkeley County in the Commonwealth of Virginia being sick and weak in Body but sound in memory and judgment calling to mind the frailty and vicisitudes of this life and succeeding eternity do hereby make constitute ordain and appoint this my last Will and Testament revoking disallowing and recinding all other wills or testaments by me heretofore made, in manner and form as follows viz: I leave my body to the earth to be burried in a decent manner at the discretion of my Executor after mentioned & recommend my Soul to the hands of that God who gave it in hopes of a glorious resurection thro the atone merits and attonement of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and for what worldly estate it hath pleased God to bestow on me I give leave and bequeath as follows, after my Just Debts Death Bed and funeral expenses are paid off, Viz IMPRIMIS I give leave and bequeath to my Nephew Robert Griffith one moiety or half of my Ferry Survey to form a straight direct line to run along the two fences on the east side on that side next to the ferry the one fence lying on the north and the other on the south side of the road leading from the ferry to Winchester the sides of the above mentioned fences to be a director or to shew where each end of the division line shall terminate. The end of the line leading to Potomak to terminate as soon as it strikes that river the end leading to Shannadoah to keep a straight till it likewise strikes said river and to contain and include the Island opposite where the said line strikes, then to run in my line joining Samples line to continue with said line and to include Ninety Acres of a new survey thence to continue its course till where the division line shall strike Potomac River including therewith my Saw Mill and Grist Mill with all the utensills belonging to both mills likewise I do leave unto my said Nephew all my moveable estate whatsoever except my Negro Wench Beck. 2ndly I give leave and bequeath to my neice Sarah Harper daughter of my brother Joseph Harper joiner & Cabinet Maker late of Philadelphia or her heirs, my Ferry and ferry house on Potomack River and all the remainder of my Ferry Survey not before devised to Robert Griffith together with all my estate right and title to the Maryland Shore of the said Ferry and also all my Estate Right Title to and for Ten Acres upon what is called the big Island up Potomack River adjoining the Ferry aforesaid. But it is my will that neather nam- neice or her husband if a live shall enjoy the said Ferry and lands hereby demised and bequeathed longer than their natural life or lives and it is likewise my will that my said neice Sarah or her husband shall and may have full power & authority to leave and bequeath the said Ferry and lands to them demised as above to either of their sons whom they shall judge most deserving thereof and in case of failure of male issue to leave and give the premises aforesaid to either of their Daughters as may appear to them or the survivor of them the most suitable. It is likewise my will that my debts all and sundry shall be paid out of the rents of my Ferry by my Executors after mentioned who are hereby empowered to retain the same till all just claims and demands against my estate are paid and discharged thereby. It is my will in consideration of what is above devised and made over to my said neice Sarah that she or her assigns shall be obliged to Ferry over at the Ferry above mentioned passaged free every person or persons who shall bring with them grist of any kind to the mills on the lands now belonging to me adjoining the same. FOURTHLY I hereby give leave and and bequeath unto my Nephew Joseph Keen a tract of land containing three hundred Acres of Land lying at the mouth of Indian Run Sleepy Creek in Berkeley County being the same as was purchased by me from Aaron Rice. FIFTHLY I hereby give leave and bequeath unto my Nephews Robert Harper, Josiah Harper, Jonas Keen, Hezekiah Keen and Israel Keen the whole amount of what my Negro Wench Beck shall bring to be equally divided and shared amongst them and for that purpose it is my will that my Executors shall as soon as convenient after my deceased cause the said Negro Wench Beck to be sold, and for the more sure carrying this my Last Will and Testament to be put into due execution I do hereby ordain nominate constitute and appoint and by these present have ordained nominated constituted and appointed my well beloved friends Edward Lucas John Ryon of Berkeley County and Robert Griffith of Bedford County in the Commonwealth of Virginia to be my only true and lawful Exors. for the purposes before mentioned hereby ratifying and confirming all and whatsoever my said attornies shall lawfully do with regard to the premises and they either of them shall not be liable to any neglect or omissions respecting the same IN WITNESS WHEREOF I have hereunto set my hand and seal unto this my last Will and Testament this Twenty Sixth Day of September in the year of our Lord One Thousand Seven Hundred and Eighty two. Robert Harper Robert Harper (L.S.) Signed Sealed published pronounced and declared by the said Robert Harper to be his last Will and Testament in presence of us Ro. McKnight, T. Hamilton, John Duncan, William Duncan, William Darke Be it known to all men by these presents that I Robert Harper of the County of Berkeley and Commonwealth of Virginia have made and declared my last Will and Testament in writing bearing date the first day of October One Thousand Seven hundred and Eighty Two I Robert Harper by this present Codicil do ratify and confirm my said last Will and Testament and it is further my last Will that four Acres of land most convenient round my grave yard shall be laid of by my Executors and be entirely appropriated to the use of a grave yard and all my debts due by bond note or book debt and all rents now due from my ferry be by my Executors be disposed of in the best manner towards erecting a grave yard and building a church on said four acres of land and having a head and foot stone for my wifes grave and likewise for my own, and my will and meaning is that this Codicil be adjudged to be a part and parcel of my last Will and Testament and that all things contained therein be faithfully and truly performed and as fully and amply in every respect as if the same had been declared and set down in my last Will and Testament as witnessed my hand this first day of October One Thousand Seven Hundred and Eighty two. his Robert R. Harper (L.S.) mark Signed in the presence of us Ro McKnight Wm. Darke James Claypool At a court held for Berkeley County the 15th day of October 1782 This last Will and Testament together with the Codicil thereto annexed of Robert Harper Deceased was presented in Court by John Ryon Edward Lucas and Robert Griffith the Executor therein named who made oath therto according to law and the same being proved by the oaths of Robert McKnight, William Darke and William Duncan witnesses thereto and ordered to be recorded and on the motion of the said Executors who entered into bond with William Darke and John Briscoe joins their securities in the penalty of five hundred pounds conditioned for their true and faithful administration of the said estate certificates granted them for obtaining a probate thereof in due form of law. Examined Teste Will Drew Clk State of West Virginia County of Berkeley To Wit: I Harold O. Keedy, Clerk of the County Court of Berkeley County, a Court of record in and for said County and State, do certify that the foregoing is a true, accurate and complete copy of The Will of Robert Harper as the same appears of record in the office of the said Clerk of the County Court in Will Book No. 1, Page 291. I would like to thank Fran Daniels for doing all the typing. Thanks Fran!!

Was there a Frank Benjamin Harper born about 1892? -----Original Message----- From: MRCACG@aol.com [mailto:MRCACG@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 4:26 PM To: HARPER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HARPER] Anothr Harpers ferry The Harper family in Abbeville, South Carolina operated a ferry across to Elbert County, Georgia. Margaret R. Amundson, CGsm is a service mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by Board-certified associates after periodic proficiency evaluations. ==== HARPER Mailing List ==== HARPER List rule #3: Do NOT send attachments to the list.

In a message dated 6/25/2003 12:22:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Twoehrle@worldnet.att.net writes: > genforum.genealogy.com/harper/messages/2777.html > Judy > Page states that if could not be found?

I have Harpers from Stirling Scotland at that time.

The Harper family in Abbeville, South Carolina operated a ferry across to Elbert County, Georgia. Margaret R. Amundson, CGsm is a service mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by Board-certified associates after periodic proficiency evaluations.

Than read it for yourself. The Will of Robert Harper(Harper's Ferry) is here!!!! http://genforum.genealogy.com/harper/messages/2777.html Judy P.S.-- also a decendent of Thomas Harper. -----Original Message----- From: Liane & Starr Elliot <tetrareris@yahoo.com> To: HARPER-L@rootsweb.com <HARPER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [HARPER] Connection to Harpers Ferry >I appreciate that, but it seems M. Preston claims that >there is no connection between Robert and Benjamin >since Robert supposedly had no children. Personally I >am not going to take the word of one individual! > >Liane > >--- MBOONE3504@aol.com wrote: >> I have a friend at work who claims she's related to >> the Harper's Ferry >> Harpers. I am a descendant from the Harpers not I >> don't believe from that >> particular line. I'd be happy to inquire if she or >> any members of her family have any >> information regarding Benjamin. >> >> >> ==== HARPER Mailing List ==== >> HARPER List rule #4: Do NOT attach solicitations >> (with or without web links) or offers -- contact the >> "List Mom" first for permission to post. >> We all thank you! >> > > >===== >Until all are one, we shall remember - The Survivors! > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >http://sbc.yahoo.com > > >==== HARPER Mailing List ==== >Need to unsubscribe? Send a message to: >HARPER-L-request@rootsweb.com (for list) >HARPER-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest) >that contains (in the BODY of the message) the command >unsubscribe and NO additional text. >

Almost every Harper researcher has heard through family lore that they are descended from Robert Harper of Harpers Ferry …....who had no children. (This includes my own family!) In the estate settlement of Robert Harper you find:...“decd in acct with Edward Lucas, one of the Executors thereof” on 26 Feb 1795, it states: “To do (ditto) paid T. Worthington D. Sheraiff in full of Benjamin Harper Executor of R Harpers Estate….14 £ 4 shillings 9 (D)? pence?”. Again after 1 May 1802…”to amount of Ebenezer Harper_____against the Este paid T. Worthington D. Sheriff, 7£ 15 shillings 3 (D) pence?” I personally think Benjamin and Ebenezer are the same person...but this is based on no fact whatsoever. I can go back only to a Benjamin Harper who married Charlotte Hiett. When? I don't know. I have never seen a marriage license. Benjamin was paying taxes (on a horse) in 1805 in Frederick Co, VA. He did not buy land until 1812. However, in both Benjamin and Charlotte's wills they referred to each other as husband and wife and they did have a son, John, born in 1798 as well as 4 more sons. As to Benjamin's birth year...that too is a mystery. His will was proved in 1817. We don't know if he died of old age, disease or by the fate of an accident. He could have been born anytime from maybe 1750 to 1780. Charlotte could have been a second or even third wife. Benjamin's parentage is a mystery. There was a Benjamin in North Liberties, City of Philadelphia who died between 15 Sep 1797 and 30 Nov 1798. He had a son, Benjamin, but here the trail ends. (At least for me.) An early church record of New Castle County, Wilmington Monthly Meeting, notes a certificate of removal sent 1 Nov 1786 to Abington MMtg stating "Benjamin Harper – clear of marriage engagements." I don't know what this means either. I am a big believer in the family naming –game. First son named after the father's father, second after the mother's father. There are NO Roberts in our history. I invite any corrections, clarifications or suppositions to all that I have presented above. Mitzie Preston Madaline H. Preston

Robert Harper of Harper's Ferry had no children. There may have been other Harpers in the area though as a Benjamin Harper was an executor of Robert's estate in 1795. M. Preston ---- Original message ---- >Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:43:50 EDT >From: MBOONE3504@aol.com >Subject: Re: [HARPER] Connection to Harpers Ferry >To: HARPER-L@rootsweb.com > >I have a friend at work who claims she's related to the Harper's Ferry >Harpers. I am a descendant from the Harpers not I don't believe from that >particular line. I'd be happy to inquire if she or any members of her family have any >information regarding Benjamin. > > >==== HARPER Mailing List ==== >HARPER List rule #4: Do NOT attach solicitations (with or without web links) or offers -- contact the "List Mom" first for permission to post. > We all thank you! > Madaline H. Preston

A lady that has been kind enough to do Ancestry.com research for me before I found out that my LDS had access to it found out something interesting on a family tree contained there. My research was that Louis/Lewis Gunn HARPER b. 8/4/1851 Marrow Co. OH d. 2/3/1937 KS m. circa 1870 Hannah Rettie CYPHERS b. 9/22/1855 Brown KS d. 2/3/1937 KS According to her research Louis is reported as married again on a Ancestry.com family tree. Information shows he married a Harriet (Hattie) Elizabeth Clark on Oct. 23 1913. Harriet was born Sept. 2 1865 in Coshocton County, Ohio. Her parents were Gabriel Clark (Aug. 15, 1815) and Rebecca Smith English (June 21, 1832). I'm adding this information to my Harper family webpage. Any further information welcome about Louis! Liane ===== Until all are one, we shall remember - The Survivors! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

I appreciate that, but it seems M. Preston claims that there is no connection between Robert and Benjamin since Robert supposedly had no children. Personally I am not going to take the word of one individual! Liane --- MBOONE3504@aol.com wrote: > I have a friend at work who claims she's related to > the Harper's Ferry > Harpers. I am a descendant from the Harpers not I > don't believe from that > particular line. I'd be happy to inquire if she or > any members of her family have any > information regarding Benjamin. > > > ==== HARPER Mailing List ==== > HARPER List rule #4: Do NOT attach solicitations > (with or without web links) or offers -- contact the > "List Mom" first for permission to post. > We all thank you! > ===== Until all are one, we shall remember - The Survivors! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

Marcia Do you know where James Harper son's William Harper lived and died? I have a William Harper from Sampson County, North Carolina who bought land in Chatham County, North Carolina and died there in 1792. Jean Carter jhcarter@cetlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: MomBenton@aol.com To: HARPER-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 3:25 PM Subject: [HARPER] Harper Roll Call Ireland>Maine>Mass>NY There are two renditions of my first American Harpers: 1) "James Harper and sons William, John, Joseph, and Moses emigrated to Topsham, Maine from Derry, Ireland 1718; moved to Concord, MA date unknown; moved to Oakham MA 1742" (Reference: The Settlement and Story of Oakham, Massachusetts" by H.B. Wright and E. D. Harvey) 2)"George Harper b 1710 in Tyron, Ireland of Scotch-Irish parentage, m Catherine M. Foster (or Catherine Boyd), and English woman. They emigrated to America in 1737 and settled in Oakham, Worchester County, MA, being one of the first settlers in that township." (from notes compiled by Edith May Chatterton before 1956) Perhaps both stories are true - James' son William may have gone back to Ireland and then William and his son George returned to America in 1737. Who Know? My Harper line: James Harper + ? William Harper b Derry Co Ireland; d1774 Oakham, MA + Rachel ___________ George Harper b before 1722, probably Topsham Maine; d1776 Oakham MA OR another source states b 1710 Tyron Co, Ireland +Catherine M. Foster OR Catherine Boyd Robert Harper b12Feb1748; d31July1814 South Fort Ann, NY +Sarah McFarland m13Oct1766 Alexander Harper b4Apr1769; d11Mar1825 +Sally Buell burial for Alexander and Sally in Clyde, NY Daniel Harper b20Dec1793; d13Apr1855; buried Clyde, NY +Mary (Polly) Aylesworth m22Jan1817 buried Clyde, NY Albert Harper b3Jun1828 Galen, NY; d12Sep1886 +Mary M. Winchell m13Feb1848 Almond Grant Harper b14Oct1866; d7Apr1917 +Carrie Eleanor Vanderburg m17May1885 My Grandmother..........Nellie Grant Harper b21Nov1886 Rose, NY +Ernest Merrifield m18Oct1913 Ruth Merrifield b1916 +Robert Basch Me......................................Marcia Basch Benton I have names and dates of many children and siblings in this line. Any connections or corrections? Marcia Benton mombenton@aol.com ==== HARPER Mailing List ==== HARPER List rule #2: Do NOT send a complaint to the entire list about what YOU may consider to be an off-list topic. This type of complaint IS considered off-topic.

Jerry I have a William Harper who died in 1792 and had a son William Harper He had 4 brother that I know of Edward, Frederick, John and Joseph. Son William lived in Chatham County NC. His land was sold to Edward Harper is brother. Jean Carter jhcarter@cetlilnk.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Jandjharp@aol.com To: HARPER-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [HARPER] Herendon Titus Harper Marsha & Joy Can either of you give me any info about William Harper born in 1779? Thanks, Jerry Harper jandjharp@aol.com ==== HARPER Mailing List ==== HARPER List rule #2: Do NOT send a complaint to the entire list about what YOU may consider to be an off-list topic. This type of complaint IS considered off-topic.

Would this be Harpers that came to New York around 1860 then settled in Wisconsin and Minnesota?

> > > Searching for relatives and information: > > > > > > John Harper married Ann Francis May 28th 1771 in Norton St Phillip, > > Somerset, UK > > > > > > One known child: > > > Moses Harper born July 20 1783 married Pricilla Ann Gerrish born 1788 > > Broughton Glifford, Wiltshire, UK. Married October 12 1812 Fairleigh > > Hungerford, Somerset, UK Religion C of E. > > > > > > Known children: > > > Stephen Harper born January 4, 1814 Fairleigh Castle, Hungerford, > > Somerset, UK married ? Sep 28th 1837. > > > > > > John Harper born September 10, 1815 Fairleigh Castle, Hungerford, > > Somerset, UK. > > > > > > Thomas Harper born May 2, 1819 Fairleigh Castle, Hungerford, Somerset, > > UK died November 13, 1872 from injuries accidentally received Sydney, NSW, > > Australia age 53 - married Ann YOCKNEY born May 24, 1817 Rode, > > Somersetshire, UK Died March 17, 1883 Richetty St, Botany, Sydney, NSW, > > Australia age 65. > > > > > > Children of Thomas and Ann all born Sydney, NSW, Australia > > > > > > Pricilla Harper born Chippendale married John William Goddard 1878. > > > > > > Henry Thomas Harper born 1843 St Peter's - died 1904 age 61 married > > Amelia Jane born 1848 died 1889 St Peter's. > > > > > > Moses Harper born 1845 St Peter's died July 13, 1845 Cooks River age > 0. > > > > > > Walter Harper born July 7, 1846 St Peter's married Maria Palmer 1880 > > Newtown died 1926. > > > > > > William Harper born March 26, 1848 St Peter's. > > > > > > Stephen Harper born December 1, 1849 Cooks River, Petersham, died > > November 10, 1884 accidentally Killed. married Mary Jane Harvey 1873. > > > > > > Lucy Anne Harper born November 30, 1851 Cooks River. > > > > > > John H. Harper born 1852 > > > Martha Harper-Southey remarried Chales Joseph Honey. > > > > > > Joan Haper born 1859. > > > > > > James Harper born March 1860 St Peter's, Cooks River died 1913 Cooks > > River age 52. > > > Paddington. > > > > > > Martha Harper born 1854 St Peter's, Cooks River, died August 3, 1921 > age > > 67 married Charles Southey aka John May 1, 1874 in Christ Church, Sydney > > > > > > Children of Martha and Charles: All born Sydney, NSW > > > > > > Elizabeth Ann Southey born 1874 died 1928 > > > Martha Matilda Southey born 1876 > > > Richard Job Southey born 1878 died 1919. > > > Harriett Southey born 1880. > > > Ellen Southey born 1882 died 1904. > > > Charles Southey born 1883 died 1928. > > > Lucy Maud Southey born 1887. > > > Lilly May Southey born 1892 died 1892. > > > Thomas William Southey born 1894 died 1894. > > > > > > Regards > > > Amanda > > > > > ==== Bristol_and_Somerset Mailing List ==== > DO NOT POST MESSAGES RELATING TO A VIRUS TO THE LIST, IF YOU DO YOU WILL BE UNSUBSCRIBED AT ONCE, AND BE BANNED FROM RE SUBSCRIBING FOR ! WEEK > >

I have a friend at work who claims she's related to the Harper's Ferry Harpers. I am a descendant from the Harpers not I don't believe from that particular line. I'd be happy to inquire if she or any members of her family have any information regarding Benjamin.