There has been much discussion about Johannes Herche, when did he get to the Colonies, or even if. With a lot of snooping around I have so far only been able to get one close relative of Johannes into the States. (Not even a close relative but a descendent of one) I hope this documentation is clear enough. Still leaves a lot of questions, unfortunately. Of course the same old, same old happens in these lines, and off the top of my head here I think it is the Dreier (Ziegeler) line that traces back and has marriages with Furrer (Fuhrer) and Bast. I am still in the process of logging some of the information and don't have all those details in order yet. The line goes like this: Elizabeth Anna Hufnagel Anna Elisabeth Roeder Anna Martha Herche Heinrich Herche Hartmann Herche *Conrad Herche Hartmann Herche and Johannes ("our") Herche are brothers. Descendants of Conrad Herche Generation No. 1 1. CONRAD4 HERCHE was born August 23, 1657 in Sterbfritz, Hessen - Nassau, and died December 27, 1732 in Sterbfritz Hessen - Nassau. He married EULALIA (PAUL) PFAUL June 06, 1695, daughter of HARTMANN PFAUL and EVA MUTH. She was born March 17, 1675 in Sterbfritz Hessen - Nassau. More About CONRAD HERCHE: Fact 1: August 23, 1657, Christened Children of CONRAD HERCHE and EULALIA PFAUL are: i. BARBARA5 HERCHE, b. August 15, 1696, Sterbfritz, Hessen - Nassau. ii. ANNA MARIA HERCHE, b. February 07, 1699, Sterbfritz, Hessen - Nassau. iii. MARGRETHA HERCHE, b. February 01, 1703, Sterbfritz, Hessen - Nassau. iv. ELISABETHA HERCHE, b. March 21, 1706, Sterbfritz, Hessen - Nassau. v. JOHANNES JACOB HERCHE, b. August 12, 1708, Sterbfritz, Hessen - Nassau. vi. HARTMANN HERCHE, b. March 20, 1711, Sterbfritz Hessen - Nassau; d. May 02, 1775, Mottgers, Hessen; m. CATHARINA AILGET/EILGERT, February 16, 1741; b. March 31, 1711, Schwarzenfels, Hessen; d. January 04, 1784, Mottgers, Hessen. vii. EVA ELISABETH HERCHE, b. November 08, 1713, Sterbfritz, Hessen - Nassau. viii. ANNA HERCHE, b. July 13, 1716. ******Elizabeth Anna Hufnagel b. March 14, 1838, Evansville, Vanderburgh, Indiana m. Herman Heinrich Dreier [Ziegeler] from Lückhausen (Lippe) (date unknown) d. April 10, 1918, Evansville, Vanderburgh, Indiana, buried Locust Hill Cem., Evansville, Vanderburgh, Indiana Elizabeths parents are: Johann Georg Hufnagel b. November 20, 1805. Altengronau, Hessen d. Abt. 1848, Evansville, Vanderburgh, Indiana married: November 13, 1831 in Altengronau, Hessen **********Anna Elisabeth Roeder b. February 11, 1806, Altengronau, Hessen d. March 07, 1891, Evansville, Vanderburgh, Indiana They arrived in the States on the Ship Ulysses, 1937 (Schiffsliste Nr. 33 der Bremer Brig ULYSSES vom 26. Juli 1837) http://www.gerhardhufnagel.mynetcologne.de/hufnagel/galerie/hg_schiffsliste.htm (that page is in german but does have a picture) Anna's parents are: Karl Friedrich Roeder b. November 27, 1779, Altengronau, Hessen d. December 20, 1859, Altengronau, Hessen married: December 16, 1802 in Altengronau, Hessen **********Anna Martha Herche b. September 21, 1776, Altengronau, Hessen d. August 01, 1838, Altengronau, Hessen Anna's Parents are: *********Heinrich Herche b. June 03, 1742, Mottgers, Hessen d. ? married: date unknown, in Altengronau, Hessen Anna Elizabetha Wirth b. May 05, 1742 d. ? Heinrich's parents are: *********Hartmann Herche b. March 20, 1711, Sterbfritz, Hessen d. May 02, 1775, Mottgers, Hessen married: February 16, 1741 Catharina Ailget/Eilgert b. March 31, 1711, Schwarzenfels, Hessen d. January 04, 1784, Mottgers, Hessen Hartmann's parents are: **********Conrad Herche b. August 23, 1657, Sterbfritz, Hessen d. December 27, 1732, Sterbfritz, Hessen married: June 06, 1695 in Sterbfritz, Hessen Eulalia (PAUL; PAULI) Pfaul b. March 17, 1675, Sterbfritz, Hessen d. ?

Hello Harkeys, Nina's post yesterday about the Johannes Herche possibilities was thought provoking. Does anyone who reads this list have copies of or have you seen copies of the German records to substantiate the dates and other information submitted to the LDS Ancestral file and IGI? We need these proofs. The records are not listed in the LDS library as filmed and sometimes letters to Germany take forever or never return at all. In the past, have talked to Richard Turk. He said he got the information from Don Harkey, TX. Then I called Don Harkey and he said he got his information from Richard Turk. We are going in circles here Harkeys. Please shed some light if you can. Kay At 04:05 PM 3/6/2002 -0500, you wrote: >There has been much discussion about Johannes Herche, when did he get to >the Colonies, or even if. With a lot of snooping around I have so far >only been able to get one close relative of Johannes into the States. (Not >even a close relative but a descendent of one) I hope this documentation >is clear enough. >Still leaves a lot of questions, unfortunately. Of course the same old, >same old happens in these lines, and off the top of my head here I think >it is the Dreier (Ziegeler) line that traces back and has marriages with >Furrer (Fuhrer) and Bast. I am still in the process of logging some of >the information and don't have all those details in order yet. > > The line goes like this: > >Elizabeth Anna Hufnagel > Anna Elisabeth Roeder > Anna Martha Herche > Heinrich Herche > Hartmann Herche > *Conrad Herche >Hartmann Herche and Johannes ("our") Herche are brothers. >Descendants of Conrad Herche > >Generation No. 1 > > >1. CONRAD4 HERCHE was born August 23, 1657 in Sterbfritz, Hessen - Nassau, >and died December 27, 1732 in Sterbfritz Hessen - Nassau. He married >EULALIA (PAUL) PFAUL June 06, 1695, daughter of HARTMANN PFAUL and EVA >MUTH. She was born March 17, 1675 in Sterbfritz Hessen - Nassau. > >More About CONRAD HERCHE: > >Fact 1: August 23, 1657, Christened > > >Children of CONRAD HERCHE and EULALIA PFAUL are: > >i. BARBARA5 HERCHE, b. August 15, 1696, Sterbfritz, Hessen - Nassau. > >ii. ANNA MARIA HERCHE, b. February 07, 1699, Sterbfritz, Hessen - Nassau. > >iii. MARGRETHA HERCHE, b. February 01, 1703, Sterbfritz, Hessen - Nassau. > >iv. ELISABETHA HERCHE, b. March 21, 1706, Sterbfritz, Hessen - Nassau. > >v. JOHANNES JACOB HERCHE, b. August 12, 1708, Sterbfritz, Hessen - Nassau. > >vi. HARTMANN HERCHE, b. March 20, 1711, Sterbfritz Hessen - Nassau; d. May >02, 1775, Mottgers, Hessen; m. CATHARINA AILGET/EILGERT, February 16, >1741; b. March 31, 1711, Schwarzenfels, Hessen; d. January 04, 1784, >Mottgers, Hessen. > >vii. EVA ELISABETH HERCHE, b. November 08, 1713, Sterbfritz, Hessen - Nassau. > >viii. ANNA HERCHE, b. July 13, 1716. > > > >******Elizabeth Anna Hufnagel >b. March 14, 1838, Evansville, Vanderburgh, Indiana > m. Herman Heinrich Dreier [Ziegeler] from Lückhausen (Lippe) (date > unknown) >d. April 10, 1918, Evansville, Vanderburgh, Indiana, buried Locust Hill >Cem., Evansville, Vanderburgh, Indiana > >Elizabeths parents are: >Johann Georg Hufnagel > b. November 20, 1805. Altengronau, Hessen > d. Abt. 1848, Evansville, Vanderburgh, Indiana >married: November 13, 1831 in Altengronau, Hessen >**********Anna Elisabeth Roeder > b. February 11, 1806, Altengronau, Hessen > d. March 07, 1891, Evansville, Vanderburgh, Indiana >They arrived in the States on the Ship Ulysses, 1937 >(Schiffsliste Nr. 33 der Bremer Brig ULYSSES vom 26. Juli 1837) >http://www.gerhardhufnagel.mynetcologne.de/hufnagel/galerie/hg_schiffsliste.htm > (that page is in german but does have a picture) > >Anna's parents are: >Karl Friedrich Roeder > b. November 27, 1779, Altengronau, Hessen > d. December 20, 1859, Altengronau, Hessen >married: December 16, 1802 in Altengronau, Hessen >**********Anna Martha Herche > b. September 21, 1776, Altengronau, Hessen > d. August 01, 1838, Altengronau, Hessen > > >Anna's Parents are: >*********Heinrich Herche > b. June 03, 1742, Mottgers, Hessen > d. ? >married: date unknown, in Altengronau, Hessen >Anna Elizabetha Wirth > b. May 05, 1742 > d. ? > > >Heinrich's parents are: >*********Hartmann Herche > b. March 20, 1711, Sterbfritz, Hessen > d. May 02, 1775, Mottgers, Hessen >married: February 16, 1741 >Catharina Ailget/Eilgert > b. March 31, 1711, Schwarzenfels, Hessen > d. January 04, 1784, Mottgers, Hessen > > >Hartmann's parents are: >**********Conrad Herche > b. August 23, 1657, Sterbfritz, Hessen > d. December 27, 1732, Sterbfritz, Hessen >married: June 06, 1695 in Sterbfritz, Hessen >Eulalia (PAUL; PAULI) Pfaul > b. March 17, 1675, Sterbfritz, Hessen > d. ? > > > >==== HARKEY Mailing List ==== >If you have any problems with this list or digest write to the list >manager Mary Harkey Russell bird@scrtc.com > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Can we go on the assumption that the Herche Clan was Lutheran? I would think, yes. I had some records from the church that I found online, had a hard drive failure since then (was in the summer or early last fall I found this stuff, I think). It included one Herche and one Heche, missplelled I assume. Also Lotz, Scherer and Wiegand and a few others, if memory serves me correctly. The main record focus was on the Pfaul/Paul/Pauli and Luthy/Luthi/Luthey line. Does anyone remember this? Cannot find it again to save my life. In any case, there was notation as to where the records were looked at. It was reviewed in Germany, that much I remember. The records are not available thru the LDS as far as I know, will have to check again. There are many Lutheran records archived in Germany for the Fulda - Sinntal area and are housed in Schlüchtern. It may not be neccessary to go thru individual parishes. Some churches are very "protective" of their files. Germany has vast privacy laws and often before a church official will even consider you looking at his books you must apply in writing and state relathionship, intention and what you are looking for. Often times they will not let anyone touch the old books for fear they will crumble.