I'm happy to see Nancy Broersma joining the HARKEY list. Welcome, Nancy! And thanks for providing a Harkey name that starts with V. Perhaps Valentine will turn out to be one of those markers for following family lines. Mary, I don't think the John who married Elizabeth DOUB and who is Nancy's ancestor can be the same John who married the Elizabeth with no known last name and who is my ancestor. Some "facts" do match up, but the death years don't match, and death years seem to be more reliable data than most. Nancy's John died about 1796, leaving a young son, John, and a widow who remarried. Sidney Levi HARKEY relates this information as the son and grandson of those Johns, and I think that information can be trusted. (I'm less sure of the Martin great-grandfather part; might be some blended histories.) "My" John definitely didn't die until 1821. That's the year he made his will. I doubt that his widow, Elizabeth, remarried, since their children would be pretty independent by then; she probably went to live with one of them. (That's pure conjecture.) It looks like we're back to more Johns than we can account for, but I think Nancy has given us some new and valuable information. Nancy, Joseph Harkey's family history says that John and Sarah (Walcher) Harkey moved to Illinois at the same time as Martin Harkey "der Junge" (b 1771; m Christina MENSINGER), who he (JH) says was the younger brother of John ("my") HARKEY. Did Sidney Levi ever elucidate his relationship to that family? Alma [email protected]