Hi Mary and all, Kay and I slogged through the same question last summer, after Kay received the Sidney Levi HARKEY family history from Nancy Broersma. We came to the same conclusion: If we assume that both Nancy's info and Joseph Harkey's info are correct, then Sidney Levi's grandfather John (Sr.) is NOT our "Old" Martin's son John (Sr.). The main reason for this conclusion is the death date given in each account. Sidney Levi's grandfather John (Sr) died about 1796, leaving his son John (Jr.) an orphan who was farmed out. The John (Sr.) who was the son of Martin "the Elder" died testate in 1821. There are, as you mentioned, several name coincidences--Martin, John, and Elizabeth--but those names are common in all the HARKEY lines we know about. They are probably just as common in all the HARKEY lines we don't know anything about. Alma Roark Johnson [email protected]