Lynn, No, this family isn't in the HARKEY-WALCHER line or the Martin "der Junge" HARKEY line (the other Montgomery IL settlers), and they are not D. V. HARKEY's children. As I wrote (and who can blame you for missing it), Jerry E. Harkey identified this John Weilie HARKEY as a descendant of Henry, the second child of Martin "the Elder" HARKEY. Briefly, the descendancy is this: 1 Johannes HERCHE 1-1 Martin "the Elder" HARKEY, d 1807 Cabarrus Co NC 1-1-2 (second child of Martin) Henry HARKEY, d abt 1826 Rowan Co. NC; m Mary MELCHER, d aft 1826 Rowan Co NC 1-1-2-1 (first child of Henry) John HARKEY, d 21 Feb 1846 Rowan Co NC; m (3 Jun 1813 Cabarrus Co NC) Christina BEEVER, b abt 1793 Cabarrus Co NC. Some of their children: 1-1-2-1-1 Jesse HARKEY, b abt 1822 Cabarrus 1-1-2-1-2 John W. HARKEY, b abt 1825 Cabarrus (Lucy Caroline's father) 1-1-2-1-3 Susana HARKEY, b abt 1827 Cabarrus While I was collecting the HARKEY households from the 1870 MO census, I copied your ancestor's, too. D. V. was in Gentry Co. MO, with most of the children you named and a couple you didn't. It sounds as if you don't have that info, so here it is: 1870 MO Gentry Co. Howard twp Albany Hls[Hts?] (p 597), hh 192-196 HARKEY, David?[Daniel?] V. 49 NC laborer $150/$35 --Elizabeth 45 NC --Jacob D. 17 IL farm hand --Laura E. 15 IL --Drucilla C. 13 IL --Hulda H. 11 IL --William U.[V.?] 8 IL --Augustus V.? 8 IL --Charles F. 5 IL hh 192-197 HARKEY, JOHN S. 19 IL laborer --Susannah 21 IL (m May 1870) Funny you should mention <<that John Harkey's daughter Nancy Maria married a Henry Walter/Walters.>> When I first read the query, I made that connection, too, and scrambled around organizing what information I could find. Gradually, the truth sank in that I was heading down the wrong path--that if Lucy Caroline descended from that marriage, her maiden name would be WALTER, not HARKEY. If no one else has that family down pat, perhaps I should look at what I collected and make some sense of it! Lastly, is your ancestor's name David Valentine or Daniel Valentine? I wrote "Daniel" when I was copying the census (but I had a fever and was making errors) and that's what DeLean Holtsclaw called him. Is he David? Alma