There was a fairly good sized migration from the area of Fulda (that includes Sterbfritz) to Hungary. LDS has a book about the migration to Hungary 1710 - 1800. I'll dig out the title.

Hello again, HARKEY-L, In response to my post-- > I'm puzzled by all the surprised reactions to finding HARKEYs > from other countries in the fairly recent U.S. censuses. > Haven't we always known that they didn't all come to America in 1743? Nan replied-- > The puzzlement is not that they came after 1743 > (if that's when "they" came at all). > Its not WHEN they came, but WHERE they came FROM. I should have capitalized the word I meant to be emphasized. Haven't we always known that they didn't ALL come to America in 1743 [or whatever time ours did]? Joseph Harkey, in his history of the North Carolina HARKEYs, notes that "in the 15th, 16th, and 17th centuries, there were more than 30 HARKEYs (and evidently plenty more) living around Grinton in Yorkshire [England]," and he suggests that the name may have gone from England to the European continent. I think I reported to the list a few years ago about cold-calling a HERCHE in New Jersey to see where his family had come from and when they had emigrated. They were from a German-speaking area of Hungary. I can't find a copy of my account, but I think he said that German farmers, including his HERCHE ancestors, had been encouraged to settle in Hungary by whatever government had been in charge at the time. The Internet has a lot of information on the movement of German-speaking peoples. My search was mainly but not exclusively on movement from Hessen into Hungary and Russia. I'll note a few hits--URL, title, and a sentence or two. I may go back and look at England-to-Europe emigration. There's so much to learn, and so little brain left. Alma ==================== 1. BIEBER FAMILY IN HUNGARY AND RUSSIA < http://home.att.net/~long.hair/bieber/russia/main.html > Towards the end of the 19th Century, the Russian government revoked many of the religious and cultural freedoms that had attracted Germans to settle in Russia. This stimulated another wave of migration. The American Midwest received a large number of "Germans from Russia," including members of the Bieber family who settled mostly in the Dakotas. 2. HISTORY OF GERMAN SETTLEMENTS IN SOUTHERN HUNGARY < http://feefhs.org/banat/bhistory.html > At the end of the nineteenth century, there were more than two million Germans living in Hungary. During the eighteenth century, the Habsburg monarchy of Austria, which ruled Hungary at that time, had enticed Germans to emigrate to the unsettled lands of Southern Hungary, which had been devastated by over 150 years of Turkish occupation. From 1711 to 1750, approximately 800 villages were founded in Hungary by German settlers. The Banat Province was one of the primary areas of settlement. . . . . Although there had been German emigration to Hungary prior to this time, the expulsion of the Turks resulted in an organized settlement program sponsored by the Habsburgs. The Habsburgs had three aims: to fortify the land against invasion, to develop farm land, and to further the Roman Catholic Religion in Eastern Europe. Thus they offered Catholics of the southwest German states inducements such as free agricultural land, homesites, construction materials, livestock and exemption from taxes for several years. 3. EMIGRATION FROM GERMANY TOI RUSSIA IN THE YEARS 1763 TO 1862 < http://pixel.cs.vt.edu/pub/articles/clue1974.txt > On page 219, we find Bechtholds leaving the Danzig, West Prussian area for Tiegenhof/Grunau near the Black Sea; Konrad Bechthold from Saarbruecken/Pfalz (Palatinate) going to Freudental/Odessa in 1807; Karl Bechthold from Saarbruecken/Pfalz going to Torschau, Hungary, in 1784 and eventually to Russia. 4. FINDING THE ORIGINS OF 18TH-CENTURY EMIGRANTS FROM SOUTHERN GERMANY < http://www.horlacher.org/germany/articles/ger1700sfw.htm > The eighteenth-century emigrants to southeast Europe in the card index maintained by the 'Heimatstelle Pfalz' have been published by Stefan Stader. . . . For what is nowadays Hesse we have numerous published lists of emigrants to Hungary (16), East Prussia (17) and America (18). =================

We are finding out we are more than we thought we were. Take all different nationalities and combine them into one person and you get an American. I wasn't doing this when thinking or our Harkey/Herche family. I have been puzzled and amazed lately to see strangers showing up in my family. I was possessive. All Harkeys and all Herches were my cousins. They fit, some way, if they didn't seem to fit, the excuse was we just didn't have the proper bit of information to make them fit.. I thought of genealogy as a stream. Somewhere it had one start. The name had one beginning. One day in time , one man got that name. Now it appears that man and his family -- went in lots of different directions. I don't think it is possible for us to go back further looking for our roots. Nina and others have Herche's in Sterbfritz back to 1591-- If they belong to some of us that is great. If Johannes was ours and one of theirs then, there is our immigrant? A problem I see with many of us on the Harkey list is we haven't proven that George Martin was a son of David nor have we found David's other children, and we haven't proven that David was a brother of Martin and we haven't found the parents of Catherine (Barringer? ) We haven't tied in John born in 1765 - with the rest of the family. We saw both Herche and Harkey used in the same document in reference to Martin but we haven't tied in any Herche families directly with Martin line. We are fielding questions about Harkey's born in 1900 ? I don't have them in my database. I apparently haven't realized yet that 1900 was 102 years ago whew! It is difficult for most of us to go off looking for French or Irish or Italian Harkey's in Europe. We don't have access to their records. We will never know how they got to be French, Italian or Hungarian and be named Harkey, Harkay or Herche. This is all sad to me <G> my goal has been to get All Herche/Harkey members inserted into their proper place on this giant peg board in my mind. I'm going to need a bigger hammer to make them all fit <G> Mary Harkey Russell bird@scrtc.com

> > I'm puzzled by all the surprised reactions to finding HARKEYs from other > countries in the fairly recent U.S. censuses. Haven't we always known that > they didn't all come to America in 1743? The puzzlement is not that they came after 1743 (if that's when "they" came at all). Its not WHEN they came, but WHERE they came FROM.

Nan and HARKEY-L, I'm sure they weren't documentation errors. I think I found one that you mentioned, STEVEN HARKEY. From the Ellis Island website, I got the following information for ESTVAN (Steven to English speakers) HARKAY. Traveling with him were ANNA HARKAY, 33, and ANNA HARKAY, 8. (The Ohio Miracode says that his wife's name is Anna, b Hungary, so it's a good match.) HARKAY, Estvan Ethnicity: Hungarian Date of Arrival: May 27, 1893 Age: 38y Gender: M Ship of Travel: Zaandam Port of Departure: Rotterdam, South Holland, The Netherlands I'm puzzled by all the surprised reactions to finding HARKEYs from other countries in the fairly recent U.S. censuses. Haven't we always known that they didn't all come to America in 1743? Alma Alma

Can anyone Identify this gentleman's parents? Thanks, Diana Case Surname: HARKEY Given Name: FLOYD Middle Name: SAMUEL Sex: MALE Birth Date 7 Feb 1901 Death Date 20 May 1955 Birth Place: NORTH CAROLINA Death Place: LOS ANGELES

OK, here I go again. We have a HERMAN HARKEY age 29, born Germany....who boards with John Wilhellan. (Is it possible the wife of John, Johanna, also born in Germany is a sister, or any relative of Herman?) We have one JOSEPH HARKEY age 24, born in Hungary We have one STEVE HARKEY, age 53, born in Hungary. Boy are we in trouble here! These can't all be documentaion errors. Ohio 1910 Census Miracode Index ***Herman Harkey Age: 29 State: OH Color: w Enumeration District: 0148 Birth Place: GER Visit: 0427 County: Lucas, Toledo Relation: Boarder Other Residents: Relation Name Color Age Birth Place Head of Household John Wilhellan w ***John Wilhellan Age: 32 State: OH Color: W Enumeration District: 0148 Birth Place: Germany Visit: 0427 County: Lucas, Toledo Relation: Head of Household Other Residents: Relation Name Color Age Birth Place Wife Johanna 27 GER 1 non-relative ***Joseph Harkey Age: 24 State: OH Color: w Enumeration District: 0140 Birth Place: HUN Visit: 0387 County: Cuyahoga, Cleveland Relation: Head of Household Other Residents: Relation Name Color Age Birth Place Wife Mary 23 HUN Son William NR Ohio ***Steve Harkey Age: 53 State: OH Color: w Enumeration District: 0140 Birth Place: HUN Visit: 0129 County: Cuyahoga, Cleveland Relation: Head of Household Other Residents: Relation Name Color Age Birth Place Wife Anna 49 HUN Daughter Emma 13 Ohio Daughter Julia 11 Ohio

Paul Herche has asked me to send this on to the list. There was a mix up and he gets list mail but his mail to the list has been bouncing to me . I didn't notice it wasn't going to the list. Mary Harkey Russell bird@scrtc.com Paul wrote this--------- While there appears to be a relationship between Harkeys and Herches it was interesting to see multiple countries of origin for the Harkey family name from the recent 1880 census material. Does this suggest that the change in name goes back beyond the original immigrants to the US? Are there other countries besides Germany and France(and Ireland?) for the Harkey spelling? What do you think the relationship is? Paul Herche upward@interlink-bbs.com

I'm still sorting Harkeys from that 1880 census. I need help placing these. Precinct 3 Cass County Texas---------- Who was the John Harky born 1827 in NC married to Salina age 40 with children William, Lee, Cleon, Franklin, Joseph, Martin, Norah Harry and a man age 18 named Hilliard White ------------------------------- Who was This BLACK familly of Harkeys living in Prec. 4. Wood Co. Texas. George Harkey age 49 born in NC married to Lidia age 50 born in GA They had children born in TX like all their children were - Mahala , Martha Frank, George , Sarah J. , Rosetta , Moses, Victoria, Mede W. , Charlotte and a grandson James Harkey . ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I see that Uriah Harkey was living in Wood Co. TX. ---------- Could there possibly be any connection. ? Uriah listed on page 346D and George on page 344D Uriah was 66 living alone . ----------------- There is a John Rhea age 29 born in TN married to Susannah E. age 23 born in TX Their children Addie and Ida Living with them is Daniel Harkey age 27 born in NC and apparently his wife Nancy J age 20 born in AR. -------------- Last question living in San Saba Precinct 4. Marey Harkey age 47 NC with daughter Sally age 18 and son Leri age 16. Who are they ? -------------- OOPS forgot - Prec. 1, Hopkins, TX M. M. Harkey born NC age 65 (1815)? a male person married To Delila Harkey age 26 born in al Daughter Ophelia age 18 and son William M. age 6 months both children born in TX. Looks like this old man went for a second younger wife <G> Mary Harkey Russell bird@scrtc.com

Judy Carley has copied off the Harkeys in Illinois for the 1880 census and I've been having the time of my life trying to connect them with names in my database. ------------------------ I found a James Harkey who is James Calvin Harkey born 1846 in IL. He is the son of Daniel Valentine and Mgt. Weller and he is married to Sarah Frances Jennings. ------------------------ I sound Jacob married to a Laura He was born 1850 and I think may be the son of Daniel Valentine Harkey but I'm not sure because he was born 1850 and I had about 1854? They have son Charley and daughter Maude. ----------------------- Solomon Harkey age 73 is there. He is son of Martin Luther Harkey and Christina Mensinger. He is with his second wife Ellenor T. Harkey age 53 and they have Solomon Summer Harkey his son from Sophia Cress marriage. ------------------------- George M. Harkey age 42 is there with wife Zereldah and children. He is the son of George Harkey and wife Martha Swan Masters and Grandson of Martin Luther and Mensinger. ---------------------------------------------------- Daniel Harkey born 1840 a son of Christopher and Rachel Miller and his 4th wife Harriet Lentz is there with children and her brother? Nathaniel A. Lantz. -------------------- S. W. Harkey born 1811 = Simeon Walcher Harkey and his 2nd wife Louisa Sherer with two of her children named Clarra and Florence LESCHER. She apparently had married a Lescher before Harkey. S. W. is son of John Harkey and Sarah Walcher -------------------------- There was a John C age 35 married to a julia m. I am wondering if this could be the son John of George Harkey and Martha Swan Masters. ??? ---------------- There was Jacob M. Harkey age 36 that was married to Barbara Korsel and their children . He was a son of Solomon and Sophia Cress Harkey . -------------------------------- There was the children of Daniel L. Harkey son of Solomon and Sophia, The children living with the family of John M. FUMES who their mother married after Daniel L's death. Ida S. Harkey and Ella S. Harkey ------------------------------ There was a Bill Harky living in Chicago who is listed as Black age 39 born in LA. ----------------- Interesting one to both me and Judy is family of John S. Hillis--- John age 70 is married to Elizabeth L age 60 born in NC Her mother Jane Harkey is living with them. She is 86 born in NC I think she was Jane Bannir and had been married to Matthias Harkey - the son of Martin Luther Harkey. They also have a Julius Paisley living with them age 26. Judy has been looking for Amanda Harkey who married an Albion Paisley and lived in IL.. This Julius has the same birth year as their son. Now we are wondering if Elizabeth who was born a Harkey could have had a sister named Amanda?? -------------------------------- Those I couldn't identify were a Mary F. Harpster mother of John W. Harkey age 7 in 1880 She was age 28 and married to Henry Harpster. ------ Charles Pilcher age 36 married to Lydia A. age 35 born in OH. had a George Harkey born 1858 living with them as Brother in law and to me that means he was Lydia 's brother?? --------- There was Margaret Winhold born 1818 Germany who had daughter Maggie Harkey age 33 born in PA and Marian Harkey grand daughter age 8. This confuses me . If Margaret was married to a Harkey he died before 1845 also if her daughter was a Harkey and her grand daughter was a Harkey did anyone get married?????? <G> ---------- The last is a James Harkey lifted with a bunch of other men of various names in Mascoutah, St. Clair Illinois James is single age 30 and born in IL. I can't remember when I've had so much fun. Patrick Murphy sent me all the Harkey names index and I pestered Judy until she is sending me state by state. One thing for sure. We are seeing Harkeys that entered USA very late. For instance Phillip Harkey born in France in 1850 married to Lucy born in Spain. They were living in New Orleans ,LA. That really floored me. Judy said she is sending me one born in Ireland next <G> If any of you want names of children or to discuss this please write to me or the list. Mary Harkey Russell bird@scrtc.com

Kay sent this yesterday -------- Book 34 page 18: Aug. 4 1837, Christopher, Dawalt, Catharine, Jessee, Esther, Susanna Harkey, & Margaret & Daniel Frick ---all of Cabarrus County NC, let Jacob Earnhart of Rowan Co. NC have their interest in the Joshua Calloway tract & other tracts for $18.00 (or $2.00 each) but , Ruben, Catharine, Jesse, Esther, John and Suzanna and John Harkey, didn't (written in ink, sign?,) the deed: being part of 300 acres next Joshua Calloway; 114 acres next Henry Fulenwider, Peter Beaver, George M. Highlick & George Miller: & 11 acres next Henry Fulenwider, witnessed by Deavid Hill, John Earnhart, Levi Trexler and acknowledged before Rufus H. Kilpatrick in Aug 1838. ------------- The Jacob Earnhart of Rowan Co. was married to Catherine Harkey b 1787 and a daughter of Henry Harkey. I didn't find George Miller but Henry Harkey's daughter Sarah Harkey b 1799 was married to a John Miller. Mary Harkey Russell bird@scrtc.com

I'm looking for any BRAWNER's from Iowa, around Linn county. Some related names would be HARKEY, DIEHL and WATSON. Thank you. Donna --

In response to Pat Murphy's mention of Ruben being a child of John and Christina Harkey, I'm asking the group if any of you have a copies of the following legal papers. deed . I have the following type written note in my notes and I believe someone sent them to me. Sadly, I have neither a Cabarrus Co grantor--grantee list or these specific papers. Aug. 1838: Deed from Christopher Harkey, Dawalt Harkey, Margaret Frick, Daniel Frick, Catharine Harkey, Jesse Harkey, Ester Harkey, John Harkey and Suzanna Harkey to Jacob Earnhart for 11 acres Aug. 4, 1837 is acknowledged. Book 34 page 18: Aug. 4 1837, Christopher, Dawalt, Catharine, Jessee, Esther, Susanna Harkey, & Margaret & Daniel Frick ---all of Cabarrus County NC, let Jacob Earnhart of Rowan Co. NC have their interest in the Joshua Calloway tract & other tracts for $18.00 (or $2.00 each) but , Ruben, Catharine, Jesse, Esther, John and Suzanna and John Harkey, didn't (written in ink, sign?,) the deed: being part of 300 acres next Joshua Calloway; 114 acres next Henry Fulenwider, Peter Beaver, George M. Highlick & George Miller: & 11 acres next Henry Fulenwider, witnessed by Deavid Hill, John Earnhart, Levi Trexler and acknowledged before Rufus H. Kilpatrick in Aug 1838. There are some interesting names associated with our NC research in this doc. I would appreciate help with copies of the legal work. If no one has it , I'll write for them and then share with the group. It's good to see this twig of our tree have some activity. Thanks, Kay

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor4/ This page tells about Peter Harkey and shows his photos. He is from Mills Mass. I'm suffering from terminal curiosity <G> Mary Harkey Russell bird@scrtc.com

I have copies of info. from library in Salisbury, NC. These show Christina Bea(e)ver & Margaret were sisters not one person. Also John son fo Martin Sr. had a son John & another son Henry. again not one person. John was m. to Christina, & in one copy it has her name as Margaret Christina, they had the before listed ch. Christopher, Daywalt, Catherine, Esther, Jesse, John Weilie, Suzanna & Margaret. Henry (2), bro. of John m. Christina sis., Margaret & On one of my copies it gives her name as Anna Margaret. I have never found any ch. for Henry & Margaret. I have John & Christina m. on 3 June 1813 & Henry & Margaret m. on 20 March 1817, from WorldConnect. I also have a record of Christina & Margarets sisters & bros. (Beaver); Rosina, George Henry, Henry B., Jacob, Sophia, Peter, Issac, Benjamin & Catherine(Caty). MMTSTL@aol.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: HARKEY, BEAVER, EARNHARDT, BOGER Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/zdh.2ACIB/171 Message Board Post: Most people tend to leave Reuben HARKEY off the list of children of John HARKEY and Christina BEAVER. As a descendent of Reuben, I tend to believe he belongs on the list. One piece of evidence is a land sale between John HARKEY and family to Jacob EARNHARDT in Cabarras Co., NC, August 1837. Unfortunately, I don’t have a copy of the original document but according to my notes, it lists Catherine, Christopher, Dewalt, Ester, Jesse, John, Margaret, Reuben and Susan as members of the family. The records of Organ Lutheran Church show that Reuben was born 8-27-1819. His father was listed as John Hergi. Most, if not all, of John HARKEY's children were baptized at this church, were they not? Reuben HARKEY and Margaret BOGER had several of their children baptized there. I'm sure there are other pieces of evidence about the family that may point to Reuben not belonging. Can anyone point them out?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Harkey Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/zdh.2ACIB/170 Message Board Post: I am looking for any Harkeys related to James Henry Harkey, possible children are May, Bill, Rose, Jay and Jerome, any information on these Harkeys or Bernard Harkey

Alma, I did find where Doctor Zelas Harkey's name came from. He was named after the North Carolina Methodist minister, Doctor Hazelius Alexander. Doctor Zelas' sister, Nancy Hazeltine Harkey was also named after the minister. Got this from a publication of the Harkey House Historical Society of Gardner, Kansas. Cissy Rose

I had to unsubscribe and subscribe again with the new e-mail address. Hope this goes through now. Could whoever wrote the original post below about finding information on their grandmother, please e-mail me, we could have a connection. Thanks. Donna Mary Russell wrote: > > Cissy could the Harkeys who moved to Miami Co. Kansas possible connect to this line. I have added your dates to my database and added to Doctor to the beginning of Zelas name <G> > I got this email and couldn't answer Nancy, chervenell@hotmail.com she asked: > > I'm trying to find information on my grandma. All I have is my dad's birth cert that says her name was Catherine Harkey, born in Kansas about 1898-1899. She married my gramps...Frank A. Diehl. I'm new at this and having trouble getting any information on them. My dad left mom early on, so I never got a chance to know them. Dad was born in Iowa. > > Mary Harkey Russell > bird@scrtc.com > > ==== HARKEY Mailing List ==== > To contact list manager write to Mary Harkey Russell > bird@scrtc.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 -- --

Cissy could the Harkeys who moved to Miami Co. Kansas possible connect to this line. I have added your dates to my database and added to Doctor to the beginning of Zelas name <G> I got this email and couldn't answer Nancy, chervenell@hotmail.com she asked: I'm trying to find information on my grandma. All I have is my dad's birth cert that says her name was Catherine Harkey, born in Kansas about 1898-1899. She married my gramps...Frank A. Diehl. I'm new at this and having trouble getting any information on them. My dad left mom early on, so I never got a chance to know them. Dad was born in Iowa. Mary Harkey Russell bird@scrtc.com