Nina, Yes, by all means, bring it on! It's just what we did to wake us up. Alma

Flo, I am a native German speaker, but I must say, the dialect in this area of the country took some "listening and working into". There are several spellings the Herche family used, one of them being HERGE according to locals. Karl_Heinz has Herge in his database, and has tied them into this one family. Herche is pronounced Her-sche, and could have evolved to Hershey as we know it in the states (chocolate people) . The dialect in this area pronounces it as Haer-Ghee, or Hair-Key...hence Harkey evolved from it. Makes sense. Herche in any other area would be spoken as Her-sche, only in this area of Hessen would it be spoken as Hair-key.... , even if spelled Herche or Herge. ----- Original Message ----- From: Flo To: HARKEY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [HARKEY-L] Herche/ Sterbfritz. Hello Nina, Of course we are interested! How wonderful of you to share and how wonderful you were able to go where none of us can go and I could not speak German if I were there! I am excited over this and look forward to hearing about anything you have learned, even if we see no connections at this time. Perhaps you will find the clue that all of us need to "finally" find our family. Many thanks for the offer to share and all of your hard word on behalf of the Harkey family. As always I am looking forward to your post. Flora ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nina Harkey" <nhark@tc3net.com> To: <HARKEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 9:00 AM Subject: [HARKEY-L] Herche/ Sterbfritz. > For those of you who might be interested: > > I went to Sterbfritz, /Schwarzenfels/Sintal area in April and made contact with many researchers interested, not only in Herche but the area in general. > > In Altengronau there is a house, still called the Herche Haus, now still occupied by a direct descendent, Herche/Maienschein/Ulrich, a daughter now married to an Ulrich. (and all variations on the spelling). > > I am in contact with Karl-Heinz Herche, his direct ancestor is Hartmann Herche, a younger brother of Johannes. Many of Hartmann's descendants are still in Germany, some went to Indiana. Karl-Heinz's father was the last Herche in Sterbfritz, leaving there about 1927. > > I am hoping, with his help, and that of Clemens Schreiber who researches Church Records in the area, and the local historian Karl Ulrich, living in Schwarzenfels, that we may, once and for all, know who our 1st "Herche/Harkey" was. > > I have tons of info, I can start to post it. Unfortunately, it still does not get us from there to here, and I firmly believe that the Lydia in 1743 was NOT the ship Herche used to enter this country. > > Anyone interested? > <:?) > > >

I have a few names from his massive data base. Unfortunately it is scanned and in jpg format which I cannot post to the list. if interested send me your email and I will forward a copy to you.

I was delighted to see we have 95 subscribers to Harkey-l and then after we got the posts to the list this morning I started getting bounce notices. I would like to hear from the following I am not showing the complete address but people should recognize the first part of their address if they see this at all? carterbr1@ dglenn5817@ Cameron.Graham@ lharkey@ kzp@ooo Maybe these folks have changed addresses and will recognize their old address , IF they have resubscribed? I would like to stop getting these notices <G> Mary Harkey Russell bird@glasgow-ky.com http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~bird

Thank you again Nina for sharing your expertise and information with us. Do let all of us help if there are specific things you need to get organized for the German friends/ancestors. Facts are better than maybe's. Kay

About Nina's letter to the list. I am all for her sending anything that she thinks may help us on our quest to find the immigrant ancestor. I have high hopes that within the next year or two we can find the answers to some of our mysteries. There is so much that we need to know. It is not often that people can find someone in Europe who has the interest and who is willing to try to dig out the old records that might help them discover family in America and us to find our family over there. Mary Harkey Russell bird@glasgow-ky.com http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~bird

Hello Nina, Of course we are interested! How wonderful of you to share and how wonderful you were able to go where none of us can go and I could not speak German if I were there! I am excited over this and look forward to hearing about anything you have learned, even if we see no connections at this time. Perhaps you will find the clue that all of us need to "finally" find our family. Many thanks for the offer to share and all of your hard word on behalf of the Harkey family. As always I am looking forward to your post. Flora ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nina Harkey" <nhark@tc3net.com> To: <HARKEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 9:00 AM Subject: [HARKEY-L] Herche/ Sterbfritz. > For those of you who might be interested: > > I went to Sterbfritz, /Schwarzenfels/Sintal area in April and made contact with many researchers interested, not only in Herche but the area in general. > > In Altengronau there is a house, still called the Herche Haus, now still occupied by a direct descendent, Herche/Maienschein/Ulrich, a daughter now married to an Ulrich. (and all variations on the spelling). > > I am in contact with Karl-Heinz Herche, his direct ancestor is Hartmann Herche, a younger brother of Johannes. Many of Hartmann's descendants are still in Germany, some went to Indiana. Karl-Heinz's father was the last Herche in Sterbfritz, leaving there about 1927. > > I am hoping, with his help, and that of Clemens Schreiber who researches Church Records in the area, and the local historian Karl Ulrich, living in Schwarzenfels, that we may, once and for all, know who our 1st "Herche/Harkey" was. > > I have tons of info, I can start to post it. Unfortunately, it still does not get us from there to here, and I firmly believe that the Lydia in 1743 was NOT the ship Herche used to enter this country. > > Anyone interested? > <:?) > > >

For those of you who might be interested: I went to Sterbfritz, /Schwarzenfels/Sintal area in April and made contact with many researchers interested, not only in Herche but the area in general. In Altengronau there is a house, still called the Herche Haus, now still occupied by a direct descendent, Herche/Maienschein/Ulrich, a daughter now married to an Ulrich. (and all variations on the spelling). I am in contact with Karl-Heinz Herche, his direct ancestor is Hartmann Herche, a younger brother of Johannes. Many of Hartmann's descendants are still in Germany, some went to Indiana. Karl-Heinz's father was the last Herche in Sterbfritz, leaving there about 1927. I am hoping, with his help, and that of Clemens Schreiber who researches Church Records in the area, and the local historian Karl Ulrich, living in Schwarzenfels, that we may, once and for all, know who our 1st "Herche/Harkey" was. I have tons of info, I can start to post it. Unfortunately, it still does not get us from there to here, and I firmly believe that the Lydia in 1743 was NOT the ship Herche used to enter this country. Anyone interested? <:?)

Mary-- I believe the name you read as Henry is actually Henrietta, the wife of Joseph HARKEY. When I copied it, I couldn't see the downward loop of a y, but I could see the dot for an i and that the name continued with a couple of t's farther on. You say that the person is designated as a widow (W), but on my copy the marital designation is clearly an M for married. Anyway, it is not a reliable household entry, and the census-taker knew it. He added a note of explanation on the head of household line: 1900 TX San Saba Co. 2 Just. Pct. (1668 2 193), hh 259-263 HARKEY, HENRIETTA head m [sic] 1848 52 m 5ch/5liv --James son 1881 19 s TX AR --Jefferson son 1886 14 s TX AR --Lee son 1892 8 s TX AR [Census taker's note: "Information as to names and ages obtained from a neighbor, also acreage & produce. These people are away from home and this information is best I can get."] Their household in 1880 is this: 1880 TX San Saba Co. 2 pct. T9-1326 p447A Joseph HARKEY Self M M W 28 AR NC -- --Henrietta Wife F M W 29 AR -- -- keeping house --David Brother M S W 14 TX NC -- works on farm --Moses J. Brother M S W 12 TX NC -- works on farm --John David Son M S W 2 TX AR AR --Samuel J. Son M S W 1 TX AR AR --Sarah E. Dau F S W 4M TX AR AR MAN, Granville SSon M S W 25 KY KY KY --Sallie SDau F S W 20 KY KY KY HALL, Margaret Niece F S W 9 TX TN AR --Tenn Niece F S W 7 TX TN AR --John M. Nephew M S W 5 TX TN AR Alma Roark Johnson

I am looking at the 1900 census of San Saba TX and see on page 193 a Henry Harkey born 1848 age 52, a widow. Name Henry is plain but has a smear directly after Henry? but it does plainly say W. M which is white male. Any way children listed are. James a son born 1881 age 19 Jefferson a son born 1886 age 14 Lee a son born 1892 age 8 ------------ I can't find any of these. Please help me discover these 4 Harkey men . Who was Henry's father and who was he married to? Thank you . Mary Harkey Russell bird@glasgow-ky.com http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~bird

Dear HARKEY list (especially John Speight and Mary), On 23 April this year, I wrote to the list about finding a genealogy website called "The Family of Joseph and Nancy Rogers Burleyson." In its account of the disposition of the BURLEYSON estate and children in Stanly Co NC, the narrative states that in February 1848, the BURLESONs' young daughter, Martha Jane, was bound to Martin HARKEY, who had also been appointed administrator of Mrs. Burleyson's estate. Based on this statement, I concluded, and reported to you, that the Martha J. in the 1850 household of Martin HARKEE (1850 Stanly Co NC census) was a BURLESON, not a HARKEY. Further research into the question has shown my statement to be wrong. Martin & Judith HARKEY *did* have a daughter named Martha Jane, b abt 1840; and Martha Jane BURLEYSON evidently does not appear in the 1850 census at all. If anyone changed his/her descendancy charts based on my incorrect announcement last April, please accept my apologies and read on. A member of the Burleyson Family Association was kind enough to snailmail to me more information on the descendants of Joseph and Nancy BURLEYSON. The packet included more court activities than appeared at the website. While it does note that Martha Jane BURLEYSON was bound to Martin HARKEY in Feb 1848, farther down it also notes that a year and a half later, in Nov 1849, Martha Jane was bound to Levi LIPE. I thought then that I would be able to find Martha Jane BURLEYSON in Levi LIPE's household in the 1850 census. She wasn't there. I checked the other families who had BURLEYSON children bound to them, and the children were where they had been placed. They all retained their BURLEYSON surname, and I became uneasy because the Martha J. in Martin's household just had ditto marks, indicating a HARKEY surname. I then looked for Martha Jane among the BURLEYSON families (remembering that the 1850 census did not identify relationships). She wasn't in any of them. Martha's trail fades then until the 1870 Stanly Co census, where she, as Martha BURLISON, is shown with two daughters. (Burleyson family tradition says that these children were sired by Davidson LOWDER, a near neighbor to Martin HARKEY and the man to whom Martha Jane's brother Derrick had been bound. She is also found in the 1880 census, as Jane BURLEYSON, with one more child. She died, still unmarried, after 1900.) Finally I realized that one test of whether Martin HARKEY had a daughter named Martha Jane would be to find a marriage record for Martha Jane HARKEY. This weekend I enlisted the aid of Leah Sims, a wonderful researcher who maintains the Stanly Co NC genealogy webpage. What a smart move that was! Leah did find a marriage for Martha Jane HARKEY (to William HARWOOD 15 Aug 1858 Stanly Co), and she found much more, all of which I think is fascinating because it puts meat on the dry bones of names, dates, and places that often are all we have of our ancestors. Rather than paraphrase, I'll quote, below, her last email. I hope this exercise has taught me to be more careful in drawing conclusions. Alma (Alma Roark Johnson) >From Leah Sims: >> Martha Jane HARKEY married William HARWOOD on 15 August 1858 in Stanly Co. >> Martha Jane Burleyson was probably not enumerated in 1850. In my own research I have noticed that many "marginal" individuals, such as apprentices and illegitimate children, are missed by the census taker. Davidson Lowder had an another illegitimate child, Laura Eudy, born circa 1866, with Nancy, widow of Malachi Eudy. Jane Burleyson seems to have had a temper. >> >From the Stanly Co. Criminal Action papers: State and W. R. Eudy vs. Jane Burleyson 19 May 1876 Peace Warrant "The State of North Carolina to any constable of said county greeting whereas W. R. Eudy has this day complained in writing to me a Justice of the Peace of said county on oath - that Jane Burleyson did on this day threaten to burn up the ["buildings of the" crossed out] said W. R. Eudy and ["also threatened to burn the said W. R. Eudy in said buildings" crossed out] and prayed the said Jane Burleyson might be required to find Sureties to keep the Peace And whereas it appears to me upon the Examineation of the said W. R. Eudy . . . that there is just reason to fear the commission of the said offence by the said Jane Burleyson - You are therefore commanded forthwith to apprehend the said Jane Burleyson and to bring her before me to be dealt with according to law . . ." Aaron Furr J. P. Witnesses: Barbrey Sides, Lunda Almond, and Christena Hurlocher W. R. Whitley, Constable Executed 20 May 1876 Bill of costs Aaron Furr $1.20 W. R. Whitley $1.25 >> "W. R. Eudy being duly sworn disposes and says that the said Jane Burleyson did to day threaten to burn the said W. R. Eudy up. This the 19th day of May 1876" W. R. (his mark) Eudy >> "Barbrey Sides being duly disposes and says that she heard Jane Burleyson Say on the 18th inst that if W. R. Eudy took her child from her that She would kill him" 20 May 1876 Barbrey (her mark) Sides >> "Lunda Allmond being duly sworn says that she heard Jane Burleyson say to day that she told W. R. Eudy yesterday that if he took her child that she would burn him up - and further states that she had heard her make such threats before" 20 May 1876 Lunda (her mark) Almond >> [Jane Burleyson was the mother of two illegitimate daughters by Davidson Lowder, Phelia (b. ca 1866) and Cora (b. 1868). W. R. Eudy was probably William R. Eudy (b. 1833). It was a common practice to apprentice illegitimate children and this is probably the "taking" that Jane refers to.] >> Leah >> lcsims@eskimo.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: HARKEY Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/zdh.2ACIB/175 Message Board Post: HARKEY_Everad_L_1902-1967.JPG HARKEY_Gela_F_1883-1965.JPG HARKEY_Ruth_and_J_Donald.JPG HARKEY_Violet_E_1909-1974.JPG I photographed these tombstones in the Oak Grove Memorial Cemetery in Irving, Dallas County, Texas. Feel free to use these pictures for your records. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~t42cemeteries or http://teafor2.com

Do any of you know whether or not the Jacob Harkey, born in North Carolina abt. 1839 and married Rachel Jones on October 15, 1879, in Yell County Arkansas, was married before Rachel? I find another one that fits his age that has another wife and children in the 1870 Yell County census but, like all families, there are so many that have the same name. The Jacob that married Rachel is listed (I believe) as being from Scott County, Arkansas on their marriage record. I would appreciate any info on this Harkey family. Thanks, Donna

Hi Lorrie-- I'm sure lots of Harkeys have written you privately about your ancestors. I just wanted to assure you that orders for Social Security applications usually are filled within a month. At least, that's been my recent experience, after printing two requests at the SSDI website and mailing them. Perhaps those who waited many months didn't have a SS number, or had a wrong one, or forgot to enclose a check. Where and when were your father and grandfather born? Alma (Alma Roark Johnson)

Hello Everyone - I am a new subscriber and so I wanted to post my "info" wish. First though, I should probably introduce myself: My name is Lorrie Harkey. And I am trying establish "my" Harkey line. My fathers name is James W. Harkey, his father was William E. Harkey, I do not yet know his father's name. When I was little my grandmother told me stories of the "infamous" Dee Harkey, showing me his book and I thought telling me that he was my great-great grandfather. In my research, I do know that Dee had one son named Corbett, I wrote the dates down wrong and thought his DOB would mean that he could NOT be William E.'s father. But I re-ran (and then printed) the SS Death Index report, and the dates would be consistent. SO, ANYWAY . . . . . I'm trying to find out about Corbett's children. I have ordered William E.'s S.S. application, but have been warned by those more experienced at this then me, that this could take many months. Can anyone help me???? Even if not, I would enjoy hearing from any Harkey's. Thanks a TON! Lorrie

I am interested in the people with surname MOOSE who married into the HARKEY, DRY and BUSHART lines. They all lived in Cabarrus Co. NC. Mary Harkey Russell bird@glasgow-ky.com http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~bird

I got this information thank's to Judy Carley calling it to my attention . The surname Harkey is listed along with many of the German families they intermarried. This is one page of the book and the entire book is on Genealogy Library.com Mary Harkey Russell bird@glasgow-ky.com http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~bird The book is ----------- The History of the Shinn Family Author: Josiah H. Shinn Call Number: CS71.S556 This book contains the history and genealogy of the Shinn family of New Jersey. Bibliographic Information: Shinn, Josiah H. The History of the Shinn Family. The Genealogical and Historical Publishing Company.Chicago. 1903. ------------------------------------------------- PAGE 87. Dr. Foote in his "Sketches of North Carolina" (page 20) says: "As the extent and fertility of the beautiful prairies of North Carolina became known, the Scotch-Irish, seeking for settlements, began to follow the 'Traders' Path' and join the adventurers in this Southern and Western frontier. By 1745 the Settlements in what is now Mecklenberg and Cabarrus (then Rowan) Counties were numerous. Some were born in Pennsylvania, some in New Jersey, and some had only been sojourners there for awhile." Again on page 202 he says: "Year after year were supplications sent to Pennsylvania and New Jersey for Missionaries." The "Traders' Path" ran from Philadelphia to Winchester, Va., and thence southwest through the Shenandoah, through Evan's Gap, into North Carolina. Rumple in his "History of Rowan County," on page 36, says: "There is a tradition that the first courts of Rowan County were held in the Jersey Settlement, not far from Trading Fork. Rumple also says that Rowan County was created in 1753 and that, at that time, the Jersey Settlement was more populous than the region between the Yadkin and the Catawba." A settlement at Crystal Springs, ten miles south of Salisbury, was made in the year 1746, and the old graveyard at Crystal Springs Church contains the remains of the McPhersons, the Mahans, the Longs, and others. Rumple says that the members of Crystal Springs were transferred to Old Bethpage. Samuel Shinn was buried at Old Bethpage. Along with the Scotch-Irish immigrants and settling side by side with them, went the Germans,2 or, as they were called, "the Pennsylvania Deutch." Thus "Old Rowan" as early as 1753 had three great classes of population: 1. The English from New Jersey, forming "the Jersey Settlement." 2. The Scotch-Irish. 3. The Germans. The names Bostain, Cline, Trexler, Rheinhardt, Barringer, Meisenheimer, Beard, Overcash, Harkey, Cress, Henkel and others attest the German occupation, while the McCulloughs, Grahams, Cowans, McKenzees, Osbournes and others show the Scotch-Irish. Into these two great lines "the Jersey Settlement" merged by marriage, and in a short time became indistinguishable from them. Thus the Longs, Potts, Sloans, Bransons, Gaunts, Gaskells, Howells, Oliphants and Shinns from New Jersey were claimed by either the Germans or the Scotch-Irish as parts of their original clans, to the great detriment of the genealogist who seeks to follow a given family through all its ramifications to a logical end. The "Traders' Path" is identified by the "Constables' Beats" as outlined in the old records of the Rowan Court of Pleas and Quarter Sessions, for 1753-4-5-6. Rumple says that the "Traders' Path ran to a point where Coldwater Creek runs from Rowan into what is now Cabarrus, then Rowan." It was in this region on Coldwater in Old Rowan that Samuel Shinn migrated. Here he took up several hundred acres of land. Here he settled and opened up several large farms or plantations, and here he died in December, 1761, leaving his wife, Abigail, and several children to mourn his loss. The following is a list of children by each wife, as enumerated in his will dated 11/12/1761 and probated at the January Court, 1762, at Salisbury, N. C. (Will Book A, p. 144. Clerk's Office of Rowan County, N. C., and the Burlington Register of Births and Deaths, Burlington, N. J.) 1The German settlement was large and compact, so that it is said that the Rowan negroes spoke the Dutch language. Page 87 GenealogyLibrary.com Main Page

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/zdh.2ACIB/169.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I believe Little Rock is Southeast of Yell County. There is a Yell County website. The link below takes you to there surname list and maybe the person listed for the surname Harkey has information: http://bethg.shutdown.com/yell/yell_su.html I have Harkey's on my website but very little. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~danielcollier

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/zdh.2ACIB/169.1.1 Message Board Post: Thank you for the reply, it is very possible my Christopher Columbus Harkey could have been there. Where is Yell Co.? We know he must of went back & forth Ark., Ala., because we know there are living relatives in Little Rock, today that are his decendants also, they tell us he lived there & in Ala., they are getting up in age & are getting forgetful. If I knew where & when he died I could take it from there. Jane

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/zdh.2ACIB/169.1 Message Board Post: The Harkeys in our family tree were in Harkey Valley, Yell County, Arkansas in the time period you are talking about. I wonder if your Christopher Columbus Harkey was there.