>-----Original Message----- >From: Hubertus Haerke [SMTP:[email protected]] >Sent: Sunday, November 02, 1997 9:34 AM >To: Speight, John >Subject: Harke > >Dear John, >I'm answering you in behalf of my brother Heinrich, whom you contacted >under his adress [email protected] . >Yes, I'm very interested in genealogy, and I have my family tree with about >600 persons. But I fear, I'm not in the same line as you. >First, our real name is " Hdrke", written with the modification of the >vowel " a" (doublepoints on it). The official synonym is " Haerke". That's >why my e-mail adress is written like this. Now the problem is the english >language, that doesn't know this modification of the vowel. Also, our name >is very probably pronounced in english correctly without the doublepoints. >Why do I explain all this?? A person with our name leaving in an english >spoken country will automatically get changed his name into "Harke". So you >never will know, if the original name of somebody in America called "Harke" >was really "Harke" or "Haerke". >According to my documents there are now in Germany about 700 families >called "Harke" and about 60 Families called "Haerke". And there is not a >single one called "Harkey". >My idea is, that the "Y" was added afterwards to get the name pronounced >more correctly, to get the "e" on the end of the original name pronounced >at all. That means, you are the descendent of somebody called either >"Harke" or "Haerke". Now, to get the truth is very difficult. The american >immigration officials, of course, wrote "Harke", because they couldn't do >otherwise. If the immigrant came on an english ship, the ship-list doesn't >help. But if he came on a german ship, the ship-list shows the correct >name. >Now I suggest you start looking all the immigration files and ship-lists of >immigration ships wether from England or from Germany to US. They are easy >to find and look in. >About Herche: there are now 120 families "Herche" registered in Germany. I >myself see no connection between the names "Herche" and "Harke" (or >"Haerke"), they are pronounced much differently. For your information: >Sterbfritz is a very small village, now belonging to the community >"Sinntal". They are situated about 35 km directly to the south of the city >"Fulda" in the state of Hessen. >From my family tree called "Haerke" there is at least one person, who >emmigrated in early 1900 to America. She was called "Anna Haerke", in >America "Anna Harke", and she wrote still in 1920 a letter back to Germany. >If you find a person like this on the ship-lists, please tell me. The >oldest ancestor that I found in our tree was "Heinrich Haerke, born >Nov.1689 in ?? and died the 20.4.1756 in Jeinsen, close to Hanover in >northern Germany." >In England you will find nobody else with the name "Harke" or "Haerke" than >my brother, who is working there since ab. 20 years. I'm working since 20 >years in Finland, and I'm doing my genealogical research by phoning, letter >or e-mail. > >In any case, if you find some interesting information or if you get some >interesting answer from others, please be so kind and contact me. >Best regards. >Hubertus Haerke > >

A.H. Harkey wife died 1919 in Santa Cruz Co AZ. 3 year old David Scott Harkey b 1966 died 1969 in Flagstaff Az. Lonnie Harkey died July 1964 in Flagstaff Willard Harkey d. Flagstaff. Anyone know the Harkeys of Arizona Mary Russell [email protected] [email protected] Glasgow Kentucky

For Alma Johnson and others who may not have found Books We Own (a look-up service by volunteers with various genealogy sources), here is the web site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~bwo/ You may be surprised at the range and depth of information available here. And, if you have resources (especially family histories), please consider sharing them through this web page. I respond to about 2-6 emails per month, on a half-dozen books I have listed for look-ups. Craig

We need some kind of coding system so that we can distinguish all these Johns! Every time I try to write on this topic, I get seasick. (Kay, the John HARKEY who Nancy says died in 1796 was Sidney Levi's grandfather, not his father. Sidney Levi's father John died 1865 in Illinois.) I agree with Kay and Mary: We go around and around with the same information, some of it reliable, some of it questionable. We need to hear from descendants of more HARKEY lines. And we really need documentation. As far as I can recall, we have heard from descendants of one child of David HARKEY (b abt 1750), namely, George Martin HARKEY (b abt 1774). Does anyone know whether David had more children and who they were? So many avenues left to explore! Alma

1800 Census North Carolina Harkey-- Henry Meck 605 30010-30010-00 Jacob Cab. 708 20010-20010-00 John Meck 604 40010-10010-00 John Meck 604 10010-32010-00 Martin Cab 708 20010-10010-00 Martin Cab 712 20100-10101-02 Martin Cab 709 20010-10010-00 Martin Cab 708 01010-00101-02 Notice that two of the Martins had 2 slaves each. I have known of Black Harkey's and think we ought to include them if we can find them. Marriages--NC Cabarrus Co. John Harkey/ Sarah Walcher 11 Jan 1811 witness John Ritchie John Harkey/ Tina Beever 3 June 1813 witness Henry Harker? Martin Harkey/ Jude Bowers 26 July 1823 witness Levi Harkey A letter I received from a lady in NC. Martin Harkey Sr (Herche) was in Mecklenburg Co Nc in April 1769 when he bought land from Mathias Barringer. More ramblings from Mary Russell [email protected] [email protected] Glasgow Kentucky

A researcher asked me directly " What proof do you have that Catherine who married Martin Harkey was BARRINGER? <GRIN> Do I have to tell her " Cause that's what everyone says" Mary Russell [email protected] [email protected] Glasgow Kentucky

I can not add information to our Martin and John problem. I just go over and over the same information I have and can't find any new clues. Kay sent me one time a letter from Nancy saying that John was an orphan and lived in household of Jonas Lipe-- he was the brother of my 4th Greatgrandfather The Lipe family came from Switzerland- my line joins them with Julia Ann Lipe and Levi Harkey. - grandson of Martin. Sidney Levi Harkey said that Jonas Lipe was (writing to his girls) "Married to Your Grandmothers Aunt" He was married to 1 Christina Meisenheimer and then Christina Huber/Hoover????? From what I read in Sidney L. Harkey's private Journal --He was not firm on dates or information on his earlier ancestors before his father. From the LDS Germany -- Johannes Herche parent was Conrad and his parent was Melchoir and His was Adam-- all living in Sterbfritz Hesse Nassau Germany. Possibly moved there after the ?100 years war? From Switzerland. Interesting to note that Melchoir's wife was Weigand with a connection to Lipe. I am just rambling on and on. We still need German information. I am waiting for some. Hopefully. There is maybe still a son of Johannes Herche. Missing listed in places as JOHN. IF Johannes Herche is ours>??? We are building a house on sinking sand. We have to get the early stuff. We may never find proof but we have to find enough so we can agree with each other. Mary Russell [email protected] [email protected] Glasgow Kentucky

Hello Nancy, Alma, and Mary, and all of us Harkey researchers, I know that the few of us have shuttled this JOHN d. 1796 and was father of Sidney Levi Harkey, around most of the summer. Either we have incomplete, incorrect or intermixwed information. PLEASE anyone in our interest group who might have additional information on this part of the line post it. I still wonder if when researchers discovered the NC early records that somehow HARKEY families were accidently assumed to all be of the same immigramt and in truth there were errors made. No specifics here----only a thought for all of us to unfold this mystery. My Henry, a son of Martin, had a John d. 1846, b. unkown(another ?), but the dates don't match for Nancy's John. Also, is is stated that Nancy's John came from Switzerland--- It seems to be believed that the Johannes Herche on the Lydia came from Germany or Holland. Perhaps he lived in Switzerland, traveled through Germany and sailed from Holand and the origin depended upon who was telling the story! At any rate, it's important to have your input HARKEYs so please post. Kay Go Gators! Steve "GATOR" Wood "The Ball is Shaped to be Thrown" [email protected] "Pressure is the Best Defense"

I'm happy to see Nancy Broersma joining the HARKEY list. Welcome, Nancy! And thanks for providing a Harkey name that starts with V. Perhaps Valentine will turn out to be one of those markers for following family lines. Mary, I don't think the John who married Elizabeth DOUB and who is Nancy's ancestor can be the same John who married the Elizabeth with no known last name and who is my ancestor. Some "facts" do match up, but the death years don't match, and death years seem to be more reliable data than most. Nancy's John died about 1796, leaving a young son, John, and a widow who remarried. Sidney Levi HARKEY relates this information as the son and grandson of those Johns, and I think that information can be trusted. (I'm less sure of the Martin great-grandfather part; might be some blended histories.) "My" John definitely didn't die until 1821. That's the year he made his will. I doubt that his widow, Elizabeth, remarried, since their children would be pretty independent by then; she probably went to live with one of them. (That's pure conjecture.) It looks like we're back to more Johns than we can account for, but I think Nancy has given us some new and valuable information. Nancy, Joseph Harkey's family history says that John and Sarah (Walcher) Harkey moved to Illinois at the same time as Martin Harkey "der Junge" (b 1771; m Christina MENSINGER), who he (JH) says was the younger brother of John ("my") HARKEY. Did Sidney Levi ever elucidate his relationship to that family? Alma [email protected]

I do not think this is a new Harkey line---just slightly different dates on the old one. Martin Harkey born 1744 or 1750 not much difference Son John married to Elizabeth I didn't have her last name. b 1765 or 1769 They had a son John b 1796 who married Sarah Walcher---I didn't know who this John married where he died or who his children were. But members of this family did go west as Alma can testify and as several others on the list know. Of John and Elizabeth's children --- Martin Luther/Catherine Conder ->>>>-Texas Susannah ???? Peter/ Peggy Drew ??? two daughters---?? John ??? Daniel David/Bary Ann Bankston or Mgt. Thompson> Georgia and Missouri Solomon and Sophia Cress--->> Illinois >>>>> California I think this is just more of Martins family --Who agrees or disagrees? Does anyone of us have proof of where Martin was actually born? Does anyone of us have proof os Martin Harkeys actual birthdate.? A BIG WELCOME TO THE FAMILY NANCY----- Mary Russell [email protected] Glasgow Kentucky From: Sherwin J. Broersma <[email protected]> > >I am a desdendant of Martin HARKEY -- b. Switzerland abt 1750. >He had a son John HARKEY -- b. Cabarras County, NC abt 1769, d. abt >1796, NC. He married Elizabeth DOUB, who as John's widow m. [ ? ] >EFRID, probably NC. >John and Elizabeth had a son John HARKEY, b. Cabarras County, NC 1789, >d. 1865 in IL. This son John m. Sarah WALCHER b. 1790 in NC, d. 1861 in >IL. In 1830 they moved to Hillsboro, Montgomery Co., IL. >snip>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Hello Harkeys: This is my first introduction. I'm enjoying hearing about you! In response to one of the emails: I am from a different strain of the Harkey family. Some of the names are the same, but the connections are unclear. I am a desdendant of Martin HARKEY -- b. Switzerland abt 1750. He had a son John HARKEY -- b. Cabarras County, NC abt 1769, d. abt 1796, NC. He married Elizabeth DOUB, who as John's widow m. [ ? ] EFRID, probably NC. John and Elizabeth had a son John HARKEY, b. Cabarras County, NC 1789, d. 1865 in IL. This son John m. Sarah WALCHER b. 1790 in NC, d. 1861 in IL. In 1830 they moved to Hillsboro, Montgomery Co., IL. John and Sarah HARKEY had six children: Simeon Walcher HARKEY 1811 - 1889 (IL) Pres. IL State Univ. 1856+ Ann Margaret HARKEY m. Aaron BARRINGER (IL) James Michael HARKEY 1819 -1875 Luth. minister in IL Nancy Maria HARKEY Daniel Valentine HARKEY (Is this where the "V" comes from that Alma Johnson wonders about?) Sidney Levi HARKEY 1827 - 1901 (my great-great grandfather and I have a lot of information on him.) Lutheran minister in PA, IL, IN, OH, again PA. Sidney L. HARKEY m. Mary Jane JENKINS in 1848. They had eight children. Their daughter, Grace Augusta HARKEY m. Charles F. EICHER in 1880. Ohio. Their daughter, Edna Grace EICHER (my grandmother) m. Charles OLSEN in 1900. OH. Their only child, Grace Margaret OLSEN, m. James A. RICKERT in 1922. OH & MI. They had four children. I am the youngest, Nancy Anne, m. to Sherwin J. BROERSMA, MI in 1960. We have lived in IL, FL, MI, and now on Long Island, NY. I hope this information will be helpful to someone and that others may have some info to share with me! Nancy

Dear Harkeys, The introductions and reintroductions are great! I hope everyone will get around to posting. One item intrigues me. Sandra Glenn mentioned a John V. HARKEY Sr. The probable birth date and the date of his will (1821) suggests that he is the same person as the John HARKEY Sr. who is the son of Martin HARKEY and Catherine BARRINGER (and the father of my ancestor, Daniel David HARKEY). I have never seen the name John with the middle initial V. I have a copy of John HARKEY Sr.'s 1821 will, and it doesn't have a middle initial. Nor do I see a John V. HARKEY in the censuses. Is there a document in which the middle initial V. appears? If there is such a document, is it possible that the V is not a middle initial but an abbreviation for "Vater" (father), to distinguish him from a son John? Alma Johnson [email protected]

As the HARKEY "list owner", I have finally roused myself to post my "Who am I?": I am an orphan of sorts, since my only Harkey is Mary Y. HARKEY, b. abt. 1792 in Tuscaloosa, AL; m. Matthew Pittman; d. abt 1860 in MS. From there, it is: Evan Alexander PIITMAN Benjamin Franklin PIITMAN Tabitha Catharine PITTMAN Mary Katherine ROBERTS yours truly. I am still hoping to connect Mary Y. to her line. Anyone have any clues? Has anyone been enrolled in (or are you downloading the web pages for reference) the Virtual University class on genealogy research on the web? Check it out at: http://www.vu.org/channel33/today/ A new lesson comes up each Monday, but they seem to take them down after only a week or two. ___________________________________________ Sob Story & Words of Advice: Don't upgrade that PC, just pass it on and buy a new one. After nearly two months of incrementally upgrading and debugging and reinstalling and finally casting myself at the feet of a hired technician, I DO have an entirely new PC, but it was a sad trip and an expensive one. My 7-year old is quite pleased with my old PC, though. Prepared for a better tomorrow.... Craig C.

Thought I'd forward this bit of contact from "across the pond". The plot thickens!!!! <gr> John Speight ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: "Speight, John" <[email protected]> To: "'[email protected]'" <IMCEAX400-c=US+3Ba=+20[email protected]med.va.gov> Subject: FW: FW: Herche/Harkey/Harke - USA Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 05:18:17 -0600 >-----Original Message----- >From: Heinrich Harke [SMTP:[email protected]] >Sent: Saturday, October 25, 1997 12:59 PM >To: Speight, John >Subject: Re: FW: Herche/Harkey/Harke - USA > >Thanks for your message about the Ha(e)rke genealogy. I am passing it on >to my brother in Finland who has been researching our family history for >the last two or so years. It appears that the Haerkes (with a-umlaut) are >all from the area just south-east and south of Hannover (Nordstemmen and >thereabouts). You'll hear from my brother. Thanks for getting in touch. >

Like Tom Cozzens said --All of us who descend from Martin Harkey need Barringer information. I have ruled out Mathias Barringer and also his older brother John Paul----Who does that leave? All of us descended from Jacob Harkey need Teeter/ Teater information-- Who has any at all? I have that Catherine Teaters father was George Teater. but don't know where I got the information and that is all I have. Who is next to tell us who they are and who their ancestors were? Cat got your typing fingers <G>?????

Hello, cousins. My Harkey connection is my G2 Grandmother Martha Jane Harkey born 1859 in San Saba Co. Tx. to Polly and John Levi Harkey, son of Israel Mathias Harkey and Catherine(Furr) both buried in San Saba Co. Martin Harkey and Catherine Barringer, Jacob Harkey and Catherine Teeter are in my line. Martha Jane married Allen Kilgore Bailey in San Saba about 1879. Children were as follows: Allie Carrie, Mattie May(my gmother married E.B. Cozzens Eldorado Tx), OHP, Susan Harriet, Pearl, Allen K, Burleson, Arthur Buckner, Winnie Lee, and Thomas Jefferson. Martha Jane died in 1913. Need more info on Teeters. Getting a little on Barringers and Stallings. Thanks to Pildot and Mary Russel and others I'm discovering a long line of cousins and ancestors. Tom Cozzens [email protected]

Mary, you are making us feel guilty. For those who are new or may have missed my previous post I will join in the fun. My line is from Martin--who married Catherine Barringer, to his son Henry who married Maria or Mary, to John who married Tina or Christina Beever, to Jesse, to Stokes Alexander, to Clifford, to Clifford Eugene, my father. I was born in Kansas, raised in Gainesville, Florida and now live in San Jose, CA. Currently I am working on the Jesse era with my attention always alerted to any emmigration or earlier Harkey research. It is my hope that through combined efforts the complete HARKEY picture will be drawn. Kay Go Gators! Steve "GATOR" Wood "The Ball is Shaped to be Thrown" [email protected] "Pressure is the Best Defense"

I have posted before and enjoy reading about all the Harkeys. My name is Sandra Secrest Glenn. My maternal great grandfather was James Milton Harkey who lived in Indian Trail NC. 1858-1927. His father was John Fulwood Harkey (1831-1884) His home was within a few miles of his son. John F. Harkey's father was John M. Harkey Sr.(1795-1883). I have documents that substantiate this. What I write next is only what I believe to be true because I cannot find any cemetery records or wills that indicate that John M. Harkey is the son of John V. Harkey Sr. I believe that John V. Harkey Sr was born in 1765 and I have a will of his dated 1821. He may be buried in an old cemetery near the present Morning Star Church which is located near Indian Trail NC. For some reason the original church was destroyed and rebuilt further down the road. However parts of the old cemetery rock wall and a few unreadable stones remain. I believe that John V. Harkey and Elizabeth are buried here, but I have no proof. I do have an old Harkey bible that gives the birth date of John M. Harkey as 1795. I have traced down his homeplace and I know one of the Harkeys that has one of the old logs out of the cabin. I hope the Harkey root list will keep going and I want to thank all those who have shared information with me. I would love to order some of that Harkey honey. Is that possible? A cousin from North Carolina

This old lady is forgetting who told us who they are and who didn't . I forgot Alma and Laura---- so sorry . Now we are 5 . Who's turn is it now???? Mary Russell [email protected] [email protected] Glasgow Kentucky

Well we had three people tell about who they are and about their Line from their first Harkey-------- Anybody out there besides Mary-Richard and Judy???? Any Harkey out there that descends from someone other than Martin or David? If there is --Make my day--Please . Mary Russell [email protected] [email protected] Glasgow Kentucky