Paw Creek Presb. Cemetery/ Mecklinberg NC (see attached) -----Nina Harkey----- [email protected] [email protected] AOL Instant Messenger NGHARK

---------- : From: Nina Harkey <[email protected]> : To: Mary Russell <[email protected]> : Subject: cemetery : Date: Sunday, April 19, 1998 11:27 PM : : Mary, : I have a few more names for this list. : (see attachment) : I have other cemetery lists too. : : Nina : : : : : : -----Nina Harkey----- : [email protected] : [email protected] : AOL Instant Messenger NGHARK

Dear Mary and all, Thanks, Mary, for the cemetery listing of HARKEY at the Philadelphia Presbyterian Church, Minthill, Mecklenburg Co., NC. If anyone knows the line or lines represented by the names listed, please post to the list. My ancestors left NC so long ago that I don't recognize any of them. It's interesting that the church is Presbyterian rather than Lutheran or Methodist. And the time spacing of burials--one in 1882, one in 1903, and then none until 1962-- Does that mean or suggest something? Alma Roark Johnson [email protected]

PHILADELPHIA PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH CEMETERY, Mint Hill, Mecklenburg County, North Carolina Located across the street from church Directions: From Hwy 24/27 take Hwy 51, take left on Bain School Road, cemetery is on left. Thomas Harry Harkey November 15,1910 August 26,1990 Cyrus S. Harkey August 20,1879 December 26,1962 Doolie W. Harkey September 19,1881 December 9,1973 Alice M. Harkey November 6,1903 October 12,1982 Carrie E. Harkey December 3,1880 June 23,1903 Ernest S. Harkey October 13,1882 July 3,1882 Mary Russell [email protected] listowner [email protected] Proud sponsor of Rootsweb and GenServ

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I found these notes on Gedpage. If you saw the response I sent to Alma about german naming patterns you might see where I am trying to go with this information. I am confused by the different dates I am getting for all the Harkey/Herche men. I have applied for David Harkey's land grant application, hopefully lost information can be found there. You are absolutely right, it is hard to believe Johannes was so young when he fathered his first child, according to these files, Conrad. Maybe Conrad is not a son? Bear with me, I am new to this. If I am driving you all nuts let me know. And yes, I don't know about you guys, but I feel very documentally challenged!! Nina Harkey ---------- : From: TCozz57795 <[email protected]> : To: [email protected] : Cc: [email protected] : Subject: Re: [HARKEY-L] HARKEY : Date: Friday, April 03, 1998 3:17 PM : : We all appreciate contributions, but another line was from Missouri, you need : to take more time to show me. : Herche b. 1716 d.? + ? (Johannes????) : : Children: : Conrad Harkey b. 1730 : Martin Harkey b. 1744 d. 1824 spouse Catherine Barringer : Edward Harkey b. 1750 d. 1776/77 : : We are to believe that Johannes married at 13 or earlier, Conrad born at 14? : and then another 14 years before the next child that survived? What : documentation of this and of the Barringer marriage, please. Just wondering. : Or are we still documentally challenged?<G> : : : :

Found this: Herche b. 1716 d.? + ? (Johannes????) Children: Conrad Harkey b. 1730 Martin Harkey b. 1744 d. 1824 spouse Catherine Barringer Edward Harkey b. 1750 d. 1776/77 Makes no sense to me. But........there is a Conrad Where is David, is he not a brother?

Nina and to all the Harkeys on the list, Nina asked about the people who shipped out of New York with David Harkey, she also mentioned that 200 acres were shared by 26 individuals. Here is the Names on 1783 Fleet Listss, Names on Land Grant 1784, and Lot #. 1. Anthony Egbert # 4 R.I. 1. Anthony Egberet Lot #8 2. 2. Mary Gardiner Lot #10 3. Benjamin Stanton # R.I. 3. John Stanton Lot #11 4. John Waterbury #1 Conn. 4. John Waterbury Lot #11 5. Garrett Van Wart #48 5. Garrett Van Wart Lot #12 6. Silas Titus#48 6. Silas Titus Lot #12 7. Silas Slate#48 7. Silas Slate Lot #13 8. John Grothe#18 Ger. 8. John Grothe " #14 9. Samuel Duffie#24 9. Samuel Duffie " #15 10. Peter Grim#33 10. Peter Grim " #16 11. 11. William Heller " #17 12. David Harkey#11 N.C. 12. David Harkey " #19 13. Jesse Merchant#28 13. Jesse Merchant " #21 14. Jacob Gardiner#39 N.J. 14. Jacob Gardiner " #22 15. Joseph Sutton#48 15. Joseph Sutton " #23 16. 16. William Hardenbrooke " #24 17. James Lawton #32 17. james Lawton " #24 18. Peter Gaynor# 11 R.I. 18. Peter Gaynor " #26 19. 19. Widow Mary " #27 20. 20. Gilbert Lugley " #28 21. John Rose#11 N.C. 21. John Rose " #29 22. 22. Luther Cullen " #29 23. Moses Gregory#15 N.Y. 23. Moses Gregory " #30 24. Richard Spragg #48 24. Richard Spragg " #31 25. Richard Jacobs#48 25. Richard Jacobs " #32 26. James Black#39 N.Y. 26. James Black " #33 27. George Gardner#39 N.Y. 27. George Gardner " #33 It does appear that some of the names Nina listed are on this list, lets hope that this will help Nina in her research. Judith Harkey Carley Houston, Texas

Nina, That's interesting, but it's hard to understand without any context. What is the reference, citation, etc.? Alma

Nina, I know that we all hope you get the information on David off that grant. It would do us all a world of good. As to the people listed below. They ae all total strangers to me--- I have not run across any of them except David in my research. I am going to print them out and look closer in a few places . Mary Russell [email protected] >John Rose, Luther Cutter, Moses Gregory, Richard Spragg, Richard >Jacobs, James Black, George Gardner, Mrs. Heller, David Harkey, Jesse >Merchant, Jacob Gardner, Joseph Sutton, William Hardenbrook, James >Lawton, Peter Gaynor, Widow Mary Utt, Gilbert Pugsley, Mary Gardner, >John Stanton, John Waterbury, Garret Vanwart, Silas Titus, Silas Slate, > John Grathe, Samuel Duffe, Peter Grim. > >Does anyone know if any of these people shipped out of New York w/ David >Harkey? > >Nina Harkey > >

Hi Guys, I am trying to get full information on David Harkey's land grant in New Brunswick. Grant # 52, registered Nova Scotia 9-22-1784: registered New Brunswick 6-10-1785. It seems the 200 acres were shared with 26 other people, a bulk grant as it were. If I can get his application for the grant it will list buckets of useful information such as: Name Birth date Place of Birth Parents (names, birthdates & places - possibly) Siblings Spouse(s) Children Last know whereabouts of spouse/child if not with them Reason for application Loyalist info ETC... you get the picture. This may help decide how many brothers there really were, or where they were. Conway, Sunbury, New Brunswick: 200 acres shared by 26 individ. The land grant was issued to these people: John Rose, Luther Cutter, Moses Gregory, Richard Spragg, Richard Jacobs, James Black, George Gardner, Mrs. Heller, David Harkey, Jesse Merchant, Jacob Gardner, Joseph Sutton, William Hardenbrook, James Lawton, Peter Gaynor, Widow Mary Utt, Gilbert Pugsley, Mary Gardner, John Stanton, John Waterbury, Garret Vanwart, Silas Titus, Silas Slate, John Grathe, Samuel Duffe, Peter Grim. Does anyone know if any of these people shipped out of New York w/ David Harkey? Nina Harkey

Alma and all: There is one important item I forgot to include with naming traditions. This might shed more light on your records. There was extensive use of a spiritual name which leaves you with family members with the same first name. Additionally there was another tradition which was used both with and without repetitive spiritual names which may help you find ancestors names you hadn't thought of. (Of course to make things more complicated there are other variations I won't include just yet which may add to the confusion. Let me know if you have specific question, I can't promise I will be able to help.) In the case of MALE children: M#1 has Father's fathers name ( ff ) M#2 has Mother's fathers name ( mf ) M#3 has Fathers name ( f ) M#4 has Father's grandfathers name (father's-father's-father) ( fff ) M#5 has Mother's grandfathers name (mother's-father's-father) ( mff ) M#6 has Father's mothers father name ( fmf ) M#7 has Mother's Mother's fathers name ( mmf ) It works much the same for FEMALE children: F#1 mother's mother F#2 father's mother F#3 mother F#4 father's father's mother F#5 mother's father's mother F#6 father's mother's mother F#7 mother's mother's mother Sounds very confusing but can unearth clues. EXAMPLE GGfather Jacob/Johannes??? (these are names often interchanged) GrFather Johannes Herche FATHER: Martin Harkey M#1 John Harkey (Johannes Herche) father's father M#2 Henry Harkey (Hinrich Herche) mother's father M#3 Martin Harkey (Martin Herche der Junge) father M#4 Jacob Harkey father's father's father M#5 David Harkey mother's father's father The pattern seems to work here to some extent, I have no information on the mother other than her name. GGmother ? GrMother ? MOTHER: Catherine F#1 Elizabeth Harkey mother's mother F#2 Catherine Harkey father's mother this one doesn't work unless Catherine was father's mothers name or there is a daughter missing on my list who would make Catherine the F#3 named for her mother. I guess you get the idea. Hope it helps! Nina Harkey

Dear Nina and everybody, Nina, thanks for explaining the naming tradition that I so dimly recalled. I was writing a long response to it on Sunday, and then, when I was about to sign it, my neighbor came over to show me how to use my income tax program, and in the attending flurry my e-mail didn't get saved. I was totally bummed; it had taken me more than an hour to write. Anyway, I probably have to bow to the immediate need to get my income tax return finished. I'll return to the naming subject again when I can. I just wanted you to know that I read your explanation with great interest, and I am really happy that we have someone so knowledgeable aboard the HARKEY list. Later! Alma

Dear Alma and all others, There is indeed a naming "tradition" for german families, not in use much after about mid 1800's at the latest. It started with the Roman Catholics and the Baptists continued the practice. The first name is a baptismal name. If a child's name were given on a birth certificate as "Johannes Martin Herche", for example, the second given name would be the call name by which the person is known to their family and also in legal and secular records. The spiritual (baptismal) name was usually repeated with all the children of that family. That is why it appears all children have the same first name. After baptism the first or spiritual name "disappears" as it were. If a child died very young the full name will in all likelihood be used again for a later child. There may even be several children with the same spiritual and call names in one family. In the absence of birth records it would be reasonably safe to assume that, if there are 2 or 3 children with the EXACT name, only the last child with that name survived infancy. This practice applies to both male and female children. In old German records, if you find a birth certificate or baptismal record for "Johannes Martin Herche" don't continue to look for that name further. In most cases all later documents would list this person as "Martin Herche". This information could help you greatly when looking at ships records, immigration papers and so on. If you have extensive records and some of the names don't make sense, try to apply the naming tradition to your records and you may find some of the different people are really one and the same. Happy Hunting, Nina Harkey

---------- : From: Nina Harkey <[email protected]> : To: Lon Wheeler <[email protected]>; Sandra <[email protected]>; Mary Russell <[email protected]>; Judy Carley <[email protected]> : Subject: JOHANNES HUERCHE?HERCHE : Date: Thursday, March 26, 1998 6:05 PM : : I found a passenger list for the ship Lydia, 1743. I am not convinced this : is our Johannes, do you all have more information to help decide who was on : this ship? This list had only men, no spouses. Did I find insufficient : information or what?? There were also possible similar spellings listed, : translations and pronunciation could make any of them possible, : maybe......... : ON TO THE NEXT NEEDLE IN THE HAYSTACK!!!! :

Mary and all, The court minutes of 22 Apr 1794, sent by George, may not have given you the information you were seeking, but it does help to narrow down the death date for the father of John HARGE/HARKEY. (For newcomers to the list, this orphaned John HARGE married (13 Jan 1811) Sarah WALCHER. They removed to Montgomery Co. IL abt 1830. According to information provided by his descendant, Nancy Broersma, the parents of this orphaned John were John HARKEY and Elizabeth DOUB. One problem for the HARKEY list has been to identify which John HARKEY is the orphaned John's father. We have eliminated John the son of Martin the Elder as a possibility, since he wrote his will in 1821.) Since John HARGE was referred to as an orphan in April 1794, his father must have died before then--that is, earlier than the "abt 1796" we have been using. I don't know anything about the laws regarding apprenticeship, but the apprenticeship date is interesting, in that orphaned John's birth date is given (in Nancy's information) as 4 Apr 1789. It looks as if a child had to be five years old before he could be apprenticed out, and young John was apprenticed out at the earliest possible date. Alma Roark Johnson [email protected]

I am forwarding this trying through the Lipe family to trace down the John Harkey who married Elizabeth Doub. I was hoping that the court papers would name his father. Mary Russell [email protected] - >Mary, >The following is the abstract from the book I mentioned last night: From the >Minutes of Pleas and Quarter Sessions of Cabarrus County: "Tuesday, April 22, >1794: John HARGE, an orphan aged 5 years be bound as apprentice to Jonas LIPE >as a shoemaker for the term of 16 years, the said Master to pay the sum of 4 >pounds and a set of shoemaker tools exclusive of what the Law directs." I >imagine the original may contain more, but probably little of genealogical >interest. > >Will work on getting some info on Jonas to you. Take a little while! > >Best, >George ,

Sorry, folks, As soon as I read my own message, I realized that I had counted wrong. My 2gr-grandfather is listed as the EIGHTH of NINE sons, not the seventh of eight. Once I get beyond the fingers of one hand, I'm in trouble. Alma

Dear Sandra and all the other Harkeys, If I were granted one wish, it might be that all the John HARKEYs born before 1820 would descend from heaven and identify themselves once and for all! Sandra, would you be able to post the will of John M. HARKEY to the list? I have posted the few wills I have, but I don't have John M.'s. I think they're really interesting and useful to everyone. Also, please give the date of the posting in which you gave the birthdates and -places (and deathdates?) for your HARKEY ancestors. I remember reading your postings, but evidentlyl I have filed them (to use the term loosely) in a place where I can't find them. You're right that John HARKEY (b abt 1795/96) wasn't named as a son in the will of John HARKEY (b abt 1765), but that doesn't mean much, since the will identifies only three of the children by name: Susannah (special bequest) and Martin and Solomon as executors. Joseph Harkey, in his HARKEY booklet, says that John (b abt 1795/96), son of John (b abt 1765), married Eleanor RITCH/RITCHIE. Did you find that to be a different John? (Is anyone else haunted by the dim memory of an old German naming pattern that involves the same first name for all the sons in a family?) I realize I'm no help at all. This stuff is tough! Alma Roark Johnson [email protected]

Dear Harkey cousins, Flicka asked for more information on the family of Bascom Somerfield HARKEY. Flicka, if you mean his ancestors rather than his descendants, I have some information. Most of it repeats my earlier messages (most recently, one posted 14 Dec, in regard to Donna Clark's questions about Samuel Jones HARKEY). It looks as if your information on Wilburn D. HARKEY and wife Margaret Tabitha McEACHERN came from Lora Harkey Scott's history. Lora did a tremendous service for the Dunklin Co. HARKEYs by writing that article, but I have found a few conflicting data from other sources. 1. About Wilburn D. HARKEY Although it is an appealing story, I haven't seen any proof that Wilburn D. was the seventh son (of Daniel D. HARKEY); he is listed as the fifth son of eight. My 2gr-grandfather, Francis Marion HARKEY, is the seventh--that lived, anyway. I'm not claiming seventh-son status for him, though. There may have been sons who didn't live past infancy. 2. The McEACHERNs I haven't found any evidence to support Lora's statement that Margaret McEACHERN's father was a Lewis who was born in Scotland, and I wonder if the Scotland part might be one of those family stories that get a little further from fact as time goes by (perhaps HIS father was from Scotland). His name in the 1850 census is John, but I can easily believe that his name was, say, John Lewis McEACHERN and that he was known in the community and in the family by his middle name. That, unfortunately for genealogists, seems to be a very common practice in Southern families. Margaret Tabitha McEACHERN is listed in the 1850 Pontotoc MS census as the youngest child (b GA 1838) in the household of John and Margaret McEACHERN. That 1850 census shows that both John and Margaret were born in South Carolina, and so were all their children until about 1835-36, at which time the family evidently removed to Georgia, where their last two children were born. In the same 1850 MS census, living nearby are Samuel Jones HARKEY and his wife Sarah E. (McEACHERN), as well as Daniel D. HARKEY with young Wilburn in his household. There were other McEACHERNs in Mississippi in 1850, in a different county, one born in Scotland, one in NC, one in SC. I don't know their relationship to the John McEACHERN family. Here's a summary of Wilburn HARKEY's family: 1-5 WILBURN DAVID HARKEY (son of Daniel David HARKEY, b abt 1797 NC and Mary E. BANKSTON, b abt 1802 GA), b 20 Mar 1837 Pike Co GA, d 1919 Dunklin Co., bur Cude Cem; m (1858 MS?) MARGARET Tabitha McEACHERN (dau of JOHN McEACHERN, b abt 1792 SC, and Margaret, b abt 1800 SC), b Sep 1838 GA, d 1915 Dunklin Co. MO, bur Cude Cem. The 1880 federal census Dunklin Co. MO names all their living children (10 were born, 6 were still alive) except for Bascom, who was born shortly after the census was taken: HARKEY, W.D., 44, Ga-NC-SC [Wilburn David Harkey] MARGARET T. (w), 41, Ga-SC--SC (Margaret Tabitha McEachern) WILBURN (s), 18, Mo-Ga-Ga [Wilburn Owen Harkey, b Oct 1862] JASPER (s), 11, Mo-Ga-Ga (Andrew Jasper Harkey, b Jul 1868) WM L. (s), 10, Mo-Ga-Ga [William Lewis Harkey, b Apr 1871] EDWIN L. (s), 6, Mo-Ga-Ga [Edwin Lee Harkey, Nov 1876] THOMAS F. (s), 2, Mo-Ga-Ga [Thomas Fletcher Harkey, b Mar 1878] and (from 1900 census) BASCOM S[omerfield], b 19 Sep 1880 If you need anything else, let me know. I'll help if I can. By the way, did you ever follow up on my suggestion to check the Mississippi censuses? I don't know whether the suggestion had merit or not, but I thought it would be worth a try. Alma Roark Johnson [email protected]