Hi Chris, Happy Christmas to you, I had tried that but got the same response so I must have missed a little bit off the end. Tried it again just and it worked second time. The website in Canada that I mentioned to Nancy was about a few thousand orphans being sent from England at the end of the last century and beginning of this one just about to close and the were some Handleys on there I wondered if anyone knew about this site http://www.archives.ca/exec/naweb.dll?fs&020110&e&top&0 They werent called orphans but 'Home Children' Alan