Did you get info from me? I'm having trouble sending messages. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Ellie Handley <ehandley@texas.net> To: <HANDLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [HANDLEY-L] Copyright info to mull over > I would not put any personal information on any one living. I use the name and > all other info. "Private" Ellie > > Sftrail@aol.com wrote: > > > If any of you have time this month (or next...) to read this article about > > copyrighting genealogical information, at > > > > http://www.interment.net/column/commentary/19990915.htm > > > > would you please think about how this applies to the two Handley history > > books we are in the process of putting on-line? I mean this in reguards to > > publishing the birth dates, old addresses and places of business, children's > > names, marital status, etc. on-line of people who at least were living at the > > time the booklets were originally published. We have the written permission > > of the two authors to put these books on-line. Do we risk anything by > > putting this info on-line? > > > > One solution I can think of would be to put the complete book on-line for a > > short period of time, and announce the URLs to this list. Then those of us > > who want a chance to download the web pages to our own PCs may do that. > > Afterwards, that on-line books (or the sections with living people data) > > could be removed from the internet. Those who got copies could volunteer, if > > they want, to do look-ups from the books. > > > > Others have suggested that we delete the info for living people and replace > > the data with the word "LIVING", or some such. I hesitate to make those > > changes to someone else's books. Our permission to upload them doesn't > > extend to that, I think. > > > > My mother-in-law was surprised to see that her address and phone number are > > readily accessable by anyone on the WHOWHERE people finder site. School > > teachers' salaries here in Kansas are supposed to be accessable by anyone > > since they are public record. So I guess I'm asking if anyone knows what > > kinds of data are public record, in regards to genealogy data on living > > persons. > > > > Thanks! (No hurry!!) > > Nancy > >

I would not put any personal information on any one living. I use the name and all other info. "Private" Ellie Sftrail@aol.com wrote: > If any of you have time this month (or next...) to read this article about > copyrighting genealogical information, at > > http://www.interment.net/column/commentary/19990915.htm > > would you please think about how this applies to the two Handley history > books we are in the process of putting on-line? I mean this in reguards to > publishing the birth dates, old addresses and places of business, children's > names, marital status, etc. on-line of people who at least were living at the > time the booklets were originally published. We have the written permission > of the two authors to put these books on-line. Do we risk anything by > putting this info on-line? > > One solution I can think of would be to put the complete book on-line for a > short period of time, and announce the URLs to this list. Then those of us > who want a chance to download the web pages to our own PCs may do that. > Afterwards, that on-line books (or the sections with living people data) > could be removed from the internet. Those who got copies could volunteer, if > they want, to do look-ups from the books. > > Others have suggested that we delete the info for living people and replace > the data with the word "LIVING", or some such. I hesitate to make those > changes to someone else's books. Our permission to upload them doesn't > extend to that, I think. > > My mother-in-law was surprised to see that her address and phone number are > readily accessable by anyone on the WHOWHERE people finder site. School > teachers' salaries here in Kansas are supposed to be accessable by anyone > since they are public record. So I guess I'm asking if anyone knows what > kinds of data are public record, in regards to genealogy data on living > persons. > > Thanks! (No hurry!!) > Nancy

If any of you have time this month (or next...) to read this article about copyrighting genealogical information, at http://www.interment.net/column/commentary/19990915.htm would you please think about how this applies to the two Handley history books we are in the process of putting on-line? I mean this in reguards to publishing the birth dates, old addresses and places of business, children's names, marital status, etc. on-line of people who at least were living at the time the booklets were originally published. We have the written permission of the two authors to put these books on-line. Do we risk anything by putting this info on-line? One solution I can think of would be to put the complete book on-line for a short period of time, and announce the URLs to this list. Then those of us who want a chance to download the web pages to our own PCs may do that. Afterwards, that on-line books (or the sections with living people data) could be removed from the internet. Those who got copies could volunteer, if they want, to do look-ups from the books. Others have suggested that we delete the info for living people and replace the data with the word "LIVING", or some such. I hesitate to make those changes to someone else's books. Our permission to upload them doesn't extend to that, I think. My mother-in-law was surprised to see that her address and phone number are readily accessable by anyone on the WHOWHERE people finder site. School teachers' salaries here in Kansas are supposed to be accessable by anyone since they are public record. So I guess I'm asking if anyone knows what kinds of data are public record, in regards to genealogy data on living persons. Thanks! (No hurry!!) Nancy

Isabelle, I'm forwarding your message to the Handley group. Group, please note that Isabelle is not (or maybe was not) a member of the email list yet, so please send her a copy of your message if you can answer her questions. Her email is: i.g.pigeon@videotron.ca Thanks - Nancy << Subj: {not a subscriber} Hanley Thomas Date: 12/10/1999 8:58:57 AM Central Standard Time From: i.g.pigeon@videotron.ca (I.G. PIGEON) Reply-to: i.g.pigeon@videotron.ca (I.G. PIGEON) To: HANDLEY-L@rootsweb.com Hi, Looking informations about Thomas Hanley mar. Pauline Brown...parents, mariage, other children... I know that their son Thomas William Hanley married Christine McLeod after 1870... Thomas and Christine have ~ 6 children born in St. Regis... Christine is the daughter of Simon McLeod and Louise Blackburn from Chicoutimi, Quebec and moved in USA (~ St. Regis Falls, NY). Simon's sisters: Julie McLeod and Alexis Dallaire, Sebbey McLeod and Priscille McLeod and John-George Leith moved to USA in NY and Lowell, Mass... if anyone have informations about these people, please let me know... Isabelle G. Pigeon Lac-Beauport, Qc >>

>From the Holton Recorder, Monday December 6, 1999 Clifford "Tip" M. Handley, 90, Silver Lanke, died Dec. 4, 1999 at a Topeka hospital He was born Sept. 11, 1909 in Hinton, Okla., the son of Henry Clayton and Jennette McKee Handley. He attended Topeka schools. He had worked at the Mutual Ice and Col Storage and later for the Kansas State Hospital. He also worked as a farmer. He was a member of the Westside Christian Church He married Gladys Deeringer, Sept. 12, 1932 in Holton. She died June 10, 1997. He was preceded in death by one grandson, Christopher Cornell in September 1988. Survivors include two sons, Joe Handley, Topeka, and Charles Handley, Scranton; one daughter Cyrella Birtell, Overbrook; 13 grandchildre; 30 great-grandchildren; and two great-great-grandchildren. Graveside services will be held at 1:30 p.m. Wednesday, Dec. 8 at the Memorial Park Cemetery. Memorial contributions may be given to the donor's choice and sent in care of the Davidson Funderal Home in Topeka. I thought this might interest somone. He was a very nice man. Gayle

Ellie, if you are still on the list, please respond to dpayne@mindspring.com Jimmy ******************************************************** At 03:52 PM 12/4/99 EST, you wrote: >Thank you both for info on the Clarks. I updated the Handley web page >yesterday, but haven't attempted to change or add to the John and William 2 >generations yet. That will be quite a job (to change the parents off William >and over to John), but I have it in the back of my mind to do. > >Meanwhile, one of my other web sites (for med students) is joining with a >co-operative group of similar pages, and there is quite a bit to do with that. > >So one of these days.... > >Happy holidays! >Nancy > >

I don't know if any of you like to chat on-line or not, but for another project I downloaded the free version of Gooey Chat this afternoon. When you get on a web page, if anyone else who has that chat program is also on that web page, the two (or several) of you can chat. If there is any interest in this program, I could add a link to the Handley page about where to go to find the download. Nancy

In a message dated 12/02/1999 4:20:54 AM Central Standard Time, chipper@mlode .com (Wesley E. Johnson) writes: << Just to refresh some memories I put the whole cope of Bessie Clarks papers on the net. I bet they are in the archives. A lot of info there. Ann >> Where does Bessie Clark fit into the Handley family. Also where would I go to find the archives? Would this be the Handley List archives? I am new on this List... Gin in Topeka, KS

Thank you both for info on the Clarks. I updated the Handley web page yesterday, but haven't attempted to change or add to the John and William 2 generations yet. That will be quite a job (to change the parents off William and over to John), but I have it in the back of my mind to do. Meanwhile, one of my other web sites (for med students) is joining with a co-operative group of similar pages, and there is quite a bit to do with that. So one of these days.... Happy holidays! Nancy

<<<<Please give me some of the dates you have for John Handley. My Great Grandmother was also a Handley born in Canada in 1847. Was John born in England? Was Mary Harrison born New York? Was she Native American? Let me know, Carol Synness >>>> Carol, I show John was born in 1746 but both John & Mary were born in Virginia, not Canada or New York...... Virginia "Gin" PYNE FAIR in Topeka, KS GinsGeno@aol.com Researching these direct lines: PYNE, SMITH, CLARK, BALLARD (VA/WVA)

<<<< I notice that we don't have much info on the Handley web page about the Clarks. Would you have any interest in sending me the info on their children to add to the site? I would also like to add you as a contact person, if ok. >>>> Nancy, I haven't forgotten you.... Here are the Clark children. Anything else you need? .............................................................................. ............... Mary Margaret Handley (John, William) was born 1768 in Greenbrier Co, WV, and died 1857. She married Samuel Clark Mar 20, 1786 in Lewisburg, Greenbrier Co, Va, son of William Clark and Margaret McCutchan. He was born Apr 18, 1764 in Moffitts Creek, Augusta Co, VA, and died Jan 27, 1857 in Union, Monroe Co, WV. Children of Mary Handley and Samuel Clark are: i. William Clark, born Dec 10, 1787 in Monroe Co, WV. He married Nelly Benson Feb 2, 1808 in Monroe Co, W V; born Sep 2, 1785 in VA; died Jan 26, 1858 in Jackson Co, AL. ii. John C Clark, born Apr 1788 in Greenbrier Co, WV; died 1869 in Union, Monroe Co, WV. He married Mary Elizabeth Johnson Jan 4, 1814 in Monroe Co, WV; born 1790 in Monroe Co, WV; died 1857 in Union, Monroe Co, WV. iii. James Handley Clark, born Feb 2, 1792 in Monroe Co, WV; died Jul 22, 1864 in Monroe Co, WV. He married Cinderella Davis Dec 28, 1816 in Monroe Co, WV; born Jun 16, 1798 in VA; died Jun 13, 1881 in Monroe Co, WV. iv. Cynthia Ann Clark, born Dec 17, 1795 in Monroe Co, WV; died Feb 1, 1859. She married John (Jack) Peters Sep 30, 1813 in Monroe Co, WV; born 1783; died 1865. v. Alexander Clark, born 1797; died 1862 in Union, Monroe Co, WV. He married Rebecca Elizabeth Dickey Sep 30, 1819 in Monroe Co, WV; born 1808 in Augusta Co, VA; died 1887 in Union, Monroe Co, WV. .............................................................................. ......................... Virginia "Gin" PYNE FAIR in Topeka, KS GinsGeno@aol.com Researching these direct lines: PYNE, SMITH, CLARK, BALLARD (VA/WVA)

Wesley E. Johnson wrote: > > I messed up this lady Anna Croslin when I merged a file. She was married > to an Archibald Handley and a Carpenter (first name please) and then > Calloway Milsap. Help!!! I need to straighten this out to get ready to > move files to my new gateway.Thanks Carol for the info on Family Tree > maker but I am still looking for a program that does pictures - any > other advise--I have Paf on a mac now. should I stay with that on the > new computor . Is it eaiser to move files if I do? any of you out there > ever changed from a Mac to a IBM Compatible? Ann

Sftrail@aol.com wrote: > > Gin, I notice that we don't have much info on the Handley web page about the > Clarks. Would you have any interest in sending me the info on their children > to add to the site? I would also like to add you as a contact person, if ok. > > Thanks. > Nancy at Sftrail@aol.com > http://members.aol.com/Sftrail/handley/ > > << Mary Margaret Handley & Samuel Clark are one of my direct lines. > I am joining DAR on this line thru their son John. John & Mary Elizabeth > Johnson had a daughter, Caroline A. Clark that married Granville Smith. They > were my Great Grandparents. Any cousins out there ? > > I would like more information on John Handley & Mary Harrison. > Right now I only have a few dates & locations on this family. >> Just to refresh soome memories I puy the whole cope of Bessie clarks papers on the net. I bet they are in the archives. A lot of info there. Ann

Gin, I notice that we don't have much info on the Handley web page about the Clarks. Would you have any interest in sending me the info on their children to add to the site? I would also like to add you as a contact person, if ok. Thanks. Nancy at Sftrail@aol.com http://members.aol.com/Sftrail/handley/ << Mary Margaret Handley & Samuel Clark are one of my direct lines. I am joining DAR on this line thru their son John. John & Mary Elizabeth Johnson had a daughter, Caroline A. Clark that married Granville Smith. They were my Great Grandparents. Any cousins out there ? I would like more information on John Handley & Mary Harrison. Right now I only have a few dates & locations on this family. >>

Forwarded: << Subj: Looking Date: 11/30/1999 7:25:51 PM Central Standard Time From: ncgis@dellnet.com (Al Gillikin) Looking for more Handley history in and around North Carolina. Thanks Albert Handley Gillikin >>

Hi Gin, Please give me some of the dates you have for John Handley. My Great Grandmother was also a Handley born in Canada in 1847. Was John born in England? Was Mary Harrison born New York? Was she Native American? Let me know, Carol Synness

Mary Margaret Handley & Samuel Clark are one of my direct lines. I am joining DAR on this line thru their son John. John & Mary Elizabeth Johnson had a daughter, Caroline A. Clark that married Granville Smith. They were my Great Grandparents. Any cousins out there ? I would like more information on John Handley & Mary Harrison. Right now I only have a few dates & locations on this family. Virginia "Gin" PYNE FAIR in Topeka, KS GinsGeno@aol.com Researching these direct lines: PYNE, SMITH, CLARK, BALLARD (VA/WVA) STEWART, McSWINEY (Ireland, Armstrong & Indiana Co., PA) LIGHTCAP, BURKHOLDER, CRAIGHEAD (PA) WEIT, KROLL (Pommern, Prussia) ("My Brick Wall") DENZ, FREY, GERSBACH (Baden, Germany) FAIR (MD, IN, KS) ZELLER (Bavaria, Germany, PA, KS) http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/f/a/i/Virginia-Lea-Fair/index.html (Pyne/Pine family) http://pages.tca.net/billpine/index.html (Zeller family) http://www.netins.net/showcase/sellerfamily/ginsgeno.htm

I AM W B HANDLEY A DECENDANT OF WILLIAM HANDLEY (1720 ENGLAND) . MY LINE GOES BACK ----- GARLAND LOVE, JOHN SAMUEL, ALEXANDER WALKER, SAMUEL, JOHN & MARY HARRISON TO WILLIAM. THE OTHER SIDES ARE BOWYERS AND LOVES (TEAYS VALLEY, WV) AND LAFONTISEES FROM MASENNA, NY

To All of the "Listers" LOOKING FOR ANY INFORMATION ON: Mitchell Handley, Hanley b about 1830 and married Rachel Cornel. Possibly from Wisconsin, Illinois or New York. One daughter accounted for so far, Lucy born 1851. Sharon Please respond to me directly if you have any further information.

Hi Carol I have four John Handleys on my tree born between 1732 and 1825 that I havent traced yet, and there is also a family that came to Kansas or at least a daughter named Janette was shown on the 1891 census of Cambridge as being born in 1874 in Kansas whether one of the John Handleys travelled at the same time I dont know. What we need is a shipping list into Canada. Will contact you again. Alan At 20:05 23/11/99 EST, you wrote: > My Great Grandmother, Anna Handley, was born in 1847 in Canada. It is her >father, John, I am searching for. I would assume he was born anywhere from >1790 to 1827. I have not a clue as to where in England he was born. The >woman he married was born in New York of native American decent. > All of the information I have was obtained from a 1900 census. Dodge City, >Kansas. My great grandmother was a widow by this time and had only one child >living with her. The child was my grandmother Grace Mendal Geedeson b >January 16, 1887 Dodge City, Kansas. > My grandmother's sister, Clara Ruth Geedeson was b May 8, 1878 Council >Bluffs, Iowa. > I found a newspaper obituary for two of Anna Handley Geedeson's children >who died in 1887 in Dodge City. Their names were: Lettie Geedeson b 1880 d >June 29,1887 and Jonny b 1883 d July 13, 1887. > If any of these dates show up on your Handley records, let me know. >Thanks for your prompt reply to my inquiry. >Carol Synness > > > >