I talked to a friend at the FHL last night and she said that Famly Tree Maker doesn't put the ordinance data on the group sheet..it puts it in the notes. I like the old PAF format with everything on one sheet...and less paper usage. What does Family Origins, Legacy and Ancestral Quest do with the ordinance data?? Some people mentioned that certain program list the ordinance data right on the screen when you are editing. Old PAF 2.31 did....new PAF does too. Michele