Looking for information on Mark Waters. DB unknown. Location of birth unknown. Married to Emeritt Winget. Date and location of marriage unknown. Emeritt's DB dec 14, 1880, Monroe, Sevier County, Utah. D march 4, 1912. Had one son, Von Elmo Waters, born Monroe, Sevier County, Utah. Any and all help will be greatly appreciated. Thank tou VWATERS972@aol(ROY)

May 12, 1847 The roadometer was invented by William Clayton (Mormon Pioneer) and coustrusted by Appleton M. Harmon a mechanic. The roadometer is better known as the odometer, and every car has one. May 13, 1607, the English Colony of Jamestown, VA was settled. "There's a mighty big difference between good, sound facts and facts that sound good." Ronald Colby rmcolby@micro-net.com Salt Lake City, Utah Researching the descendants and ancestors of Ezekiel Colby 1739-1791 and Sarah/Sally Fowler 1742-?

To All: As a semi-explanation for not being able to get the FHS now: There was a change of ownership involved and the genealogy part of Infobase is now owned by Ancestry and the rest is split up to other companies. Most of the same pioneer information is available from Ancestry on a CD-ROM entitled the "PIONEER HERITAGE CD-ROM". It includes the "Pioneers & Prominent Men of Utah". You can find out more by going to the Ancestry.com web page. Also, the "bonus disk" enclosed with the Infobase Collectors Library 97 program contained some of the early church membership information, etc. That is now out of print also but if you know someone who has the Collectors but doesn't want their "bonus disk" you might talk them out of it. Darline

Congratulations! I called BYU and Deseret Book in Provo. as well as Idaho falls. No such luck! I am still trying to find a copy in Texas. Melanie -----Original Message----- From: JRaffety <JRaffety@aol.com> To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com <HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, May 12, 1998 10:29 AM Subject: [HANDCART-L] Family History Suite/Archives >Well, I've had an interesting morning! I called the BYU Bookstore and they do >not have the Family History Suite although the clerk said that they have had >phone requests for it as well as about 10 people walking in asking for it. >Inforbase should know about this. At any rate, the clerk said she had a copy >that she had never used and she agreed to sell it to me. What luck! > >Also, thanks to Ronald Colby, I called the Utah State Archives and they are >going to do a search for my great grandparent's divorce. > >Julie >

Well, I've had an interesting morning! I called the BYU Bookstore and they do not have the Family History Suite although the clerk said that they have had phone requests for it as well as about 10 people walking in asking for it. Inforbase should know about this. At any rate, the clerk said she had a copy that she had never used and she agreed to sell it to me. What luck! Also, thanks to Ronald Colby, I called the Utah State Archives and they are going to do a search for my great grandparent's divorce. Julie

Well I don't know if this is allowed or not, but does anyone know of the descendents of the above two people. James Ward Brown was the brother of my Great Great Grandmother Ann Brown, I have information on James Ward and Caroline's Children and some of their grand children and a few great grand children and it stops there, you see I have a letter written my Caroline and if there are any of her descendents out there they may appreciate a copy of the letter (it was written to my Great grand aunt Annie Dooley. If anyone knows of any, tell them to drop me a line. Thanks Beryl Worrall Edmonton Alberta Canada

More phone numbers: BYU Bookstore: 378-5637 Seagull Book - Provo 377-5265 Deseret Book Provo 375-1009 Deseret Book Orem 224-0055 Hope this helps! Laurie Castillo Eldon & Terri Jensen wrote: > Places to try. These are all in Ogden. If anybody has a Salt > Lake phone > book and could list some numbers, it would help. University of > Utah > bookstore?? BYU Bookstore?? Utah State University Bookstore in > Logan?? > > Weber State University Book Store > 435-626-6352 > > Hastings Book STore > 435-399-2090 > > Jorgensen's Book and Gift Shop > 435-825-8253 > > Seagull Book and Tape > 435-394-4666 > > Let us know if anybody finds someplace with copies. > > Terri

Places to try. These are all in Ogden. If anybody has a Salt Lake phone book and could list some numbers, it would help. University of Utah bookstore?? BYU Bookstore?? Utah State University Bookstore in Logan?? Weber State University Book Store 435-626-6352 Hastings Book STore 435-399-2090 Jorgensen's Book and Gift Shop 435-825-8253 Seagull Book and Tape 435-394-4666 Let us know if anybody finds someplace with copies. Terri

Just a thought here.....fair use on copywrites means you are able to 'copy' 10% of a work, a 'name' from a work, etc., and not violate any copywrite laws. I think that what we have done on lookups for the group is well within these parameters. With the vast amount of data on the cd, most of you are only receiving 3 or 4 pages of data. Much, much less than 10%. If all of you that care about this would just contact Ancestry.com on their e-mail and express your concerns about this no longer being available for purchase, it might help. I will do that too. Even those of us who have this product could express our help this way. I will call around and see if I can locate any more copies. Last I heard was that Weber State University still had some copies. I will find some numbers for those of you who are looking. Terri At 09:12 AM 5/11/98 -0700, Earnie &Melanie Glazener wrote: >Appleton's just called me. I don't have a copy of the Family History suite >coming :( ><boo Whoo whoo>. Julie I called the stores in Idaho Falls before Appleton's >called me. They were out. The Seattle stores don't have a copy either. >I'll Try Salt Lake. > >Those of you who have the suite will you check your documentation for >someone we could write to get permission to use someone else's copy. Maybe >if they get enough responders asking for the program they would reissue a >disk minus Ancestry genealogy program. Well it's worth a try. > >Disappointed in Seattle, >Melanie >-----Original Message----- >From: JRaffety <JRaffety@aol.com> >To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com <HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Monday, May 11, 1998 9:04 AM >Subject: [HANDCART-L] Thanks! > > >>Thanks Terri, Wayne, Melanie & all!! >> >>I loved your story, Terri. I think the stories surrounding the end of >>polygamy are facsinating. >> >>My grandma used to tell of hiding under the stairs at the "aunts"(her >father's >>other wives) on State Street in SLC when the soldiers came. I think this >must >>have been around 1890. My g-grandma was the first wife and I don't know >why >>she chose to divorce, but afterwards she ran boarding houses in Brigham >City >>and Brighton, among other places, while raising the younger girls--my >grandma >>among them. She was always described as sad after the divorce. My grandma >>was close to her father all her life. Enough of my story, but I might tell >>you that my great grandfather was Richard Greaves Lambert and great >>grandmother, Mary Ann Jenkins, in case that rings a bell with anyone. >> >>I found the Utah Historical site. Appleton's is out of the Family History >>Suite(you must have gotten the last one, Melanie), and Infobase didn't know >>who else might have one. I use Ancestral Quest v. 2.0, but I would love >the >>other goodies. I asked Infobase if they were going to put that info onto >>another CD, but the salesperson didn't know. Ancestral Quest & the others >all >>suggested I call around to LDS bookstores to try and find the Family >History >>Suite. So I have a chore in front of me. >> >>Julie >> > > > >

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Appleton's just called me. I don't have a copy of the Family History suite coming :( <boo Whoo whoo>. Julie I called the stores in Idaho Falls before Appleton's called me. They were out. The Seattle stores don't have a copy either. I'll Try Salt Lake. Those of you who have the suite will you check your documentation for someone we could write to get permission to use someone else's copy. Maybe if they get enough responders asking for the program they would reissue a disk minus Ancestry genealogy program. Well it's worth a try. Disappointed in Seattle, Melanie -----Original Message----- From: JRaffety <JRaffety@aol.com> To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com <HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, May 11, 1998 9:04 AM Subject: [HANDCART-L] Thanks! >Thanks Terri, Wayne, Melanie & all!! > >I loved your story, Terri. I think the stories surrounding the end of >polygamy are facsinating. > >My grandma used to tell of hiding under the stairs at the "aunts"(her father's >other wives) on State Street in SLC when the soldiers came. I think this must >have been around 1890. My g-grandma was the first wife and I don't know why >she chose to divorce, but afterwards she ran boarding houses in Brigham City >and Brighton, among other places, while raising the younger girls--my grandma >among them. She was always described as sad after the divorce. My grandma >was close to her father all her life. Enough of my story, but I might tell >you that my great grandfather was Richard Greaves Lambert and great >grandmother, Mary Ann Jenkins, in case that rings a bell with anyone. > >I found the Utah Historical site. Appleton's is out of the Family History >Suite(you must have gotten the last one, Melanie), and Infobase didn't know >who else might have one. I use Ancestral Quest v. 2.0, but I would love the >other goodies. I asked Infobase if they were going to put that info onto >another CD, but the salesperson didn't know. Ancestral Quest & the others all >suggested I call around to LDS bookstores to try and find the Family History >Suite. So I have a chore in front of me. > >Julie >

I have had great success getting territorial records from the Utah State Archives 801-538-3012 They found my gggrandfathers intent to become a US Citizen and sent me copies. Had them check my other gggrandfathers arrest and imprisonment for polygomy. They gave me the film # that this summons etc. was recorded on at the Family History Library. Give them a try may have what you need. "There's a mighty big difference between good, sound facts and facts that sound good." Ronald Colby rmcolby@micro-net.com Salt Lake City, Utah Researching the descendants and ancestors of Ezekiel Colby 1739-1791 and Sarah/Sally Fowler 1742-? ---------- > I'm a new subscriber and delighted with this list! I have, in my great > grandmother's hand, a paper that says, " Divorce August 1892." We have never > been sure if it was a true divorce or not. My great grandparents lived in > Salt Lake City. I understand that the Salt Lake County Clerk has divorce > records from statehood on, but where would I find territorial divorce records? > Any ideas? > > Thanks, Julie >

Contacted Appeltons first thing this morning. Family History Suite cd is gone no longer available. I even ask them to double check to make sure. Sorry Jerry R

Thanks Terri, Wayne, Melanie & all!! I loved your story, Terri. I think the stories surrounding the end of polygamy are facsinating. My grandma used to tell of hiding under the stairs at the "aunts"(her father's other wives) on State Street in SLC when the soldiers came. I think this must have been around 1890. My g-grandma was the first wife and I don't know why she chose to divorce, but afterwards she ran boarding houses in Brigham City and Brighton, among other places, while raising the younger girls--my grandma among them. She was always described as sad after the divorce. My grandma was close to her father all her life. Enough of my story, but I might tell you that my great grandfather was Richard Greaves Lambert and great grandmother, Mary Ann Jenkins, in case that rings a bell with anyone. I found the Utah Historical site. Appleton's is out of the Family History Suite(you must have gotten the last one, Melanie), and Infobase didn't know who else might have one. I use Ancestral Quest v. 2.0, but I would love the other goodies. I asked Infobase if they were going to put that info onto another CD, but the salesperson didn't know. Ancestral Quest & the others all suggested I call around to LDS bookstores to try and find the Family History Suite. So I have a chore in front of me. Julie

Joseph Hyrum Frisby was part of the Warren Snow Company according to Pioneers and Prominent Men regerence. Joseph was only 14 years of age and had emigrated from England with his 2 sisters on the ship - Hudson. Elizabeth age 25 and Emily age 19. Is there a list somewhere to check and see if Elizabeth and Emily also were part of the Warren Snow Company? Is this a Handcart Company? Pat Holling La Center, Washington -- http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/4070/index.html Aldrich, Berry, Blackmer, Bowen, Bradshaw, Bruce, Earle, Ellis, Fish, Frisby, Gaffield, Holling, Jung, Knapp, Lallis, Laackman, Nash, Nuttal, Thomas, Towner, Webb, West, Wilkins, Wright

Hi Marie: Welcome to our Handcart list :) This list is set up for anyone looking for data on their LDS Pioneer Ancestors. Sometimes those pioneers didn't end up in Utah. Some kept going to California, stopped at the Wyoming Territory, or even stayed in the Winter Quarters area. Some died very early in the Church and didn't have the opportunity of reaching Utah. Some were dissenters, but still Ancestors. Some were dropped from the membership roles. That doesn't matter. Just so long as there is that 'link'. If you have any religious questions about the LDS Church, don't hesitate to ask them. However, we encourage the answers to the religious questions to be done privately. We had quite a flame war last summer with someone who disagree with polygamy ;) It was just a given fact that this was part of the early Church history. Utah history is so much fun and we have so many wonderful researchers here on the list willing to help. Terri At 12:29 PM 5/11/98 +1200, Marie Anne Cooper wrote: >Hello, > > I wonder if you could help me with information on > > HENRY PATTEN (IN) born 26.1.1813 Staffordshire England > married Ann Clark 22.8.1836. He was the brother of my > Gt Grandfather. Parents Edward Patten and Margaret Grant > > I have found the information on the Ancestral file of descandants > but I was hoping to find out the story of Henry's arrival in > America and his journey on the trail to Salt Lake City. I really > would like to know something of his life and just wondered if it > might be documented with other trail pioneers. > > Also what other questions may be asked on this website. > > Kind regards > > Marie > NZ > > >

Ask and sometimes you shall receive {it all depends, it all depends...} Utah State Historical Society website is at: http://www.ce.ex.state.ut.us/history/member.htm You're welcome! Wayne Eldon & Terri Jensen wrote: > > At 09:58 PM 5/10/98 EDT, JRaffety wrote: > >I'm a new subscriber and delighted with this list! I have, in my great > >grandmother's hand, a paper that says, " Divorce August 1892." We have never > >been sure if it was a true divorce or not. My great grandparents lived in > >Salt Lake City. I understand that the Salt Lake County Clerk has divorce > >records from statehood on, but where would I find territorial divorce > records? > >Any ideas? > > > >Thanks, Julie > > > > > Julie and all: > > Somebody correct me if I am wrong (happens ever once in a while :).... > > The Utah State Historical Society used to have a page on-line. I know they > have Territorial records. Also, on the Ancestry.com site, there is a place > you can order cds and such. Check to see if they happen to have a copy of > the cd that has the Utah Territorial REcords. This would include > marriages, court records, divorces, probably some of those 'committed' > records ;) > > If my memory serves me right, the time of the divorce is a little later > than when the Church declared polygamy illegal. Of course, depending on > the marriage date of your ancestors, they might have been married when > polygamy was practiced. They could have remained 'married' until such a > time when it came to passing on property, inheriting estates, etc., then > things could have become difficult. I know that my ggrandfather was a > polygamist. His second wife left him and finished her life in California. > He lived with his third wife (my ggrandmother) in Stone, Idaho and they had > a very prosperous life. This was just far enough away from Utah (just a > spit) to have the Marshals ignore them. The Marshals wanted those BIGTIME > polygamists who lived in Utah, not just a Rancher with one 'current' wife ;) > > Anyway, enough of my 'stories'. I would see if you could find the cd that > has the records for Territorial Utah. There might even be one of 'us' here > who has these on hand and could look for you. > > Does anyone have a current url for the Utah State Historical Society? > > Terri -- mailto:waynejay@dnai.com Genealogy: http://www.dnai.com/~waynejay/gen/fam.html http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/b/u/s/Wayne-Busby/index.html http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/b/u/s/Wayne-Busby-CA/

At 09:58 PM 5/10/98 EDT, JRaffety wrote: >I'm a new subscriber and delighted with this list! I have, in my great >grandmother's hand, a paper that says, " Divorce August 1892." We have never >been sure if it was a true divorce or not. My great grandparents lived in >Salt Lake City. I understand that the Salt Lake County Clerk has divorce >records from statehood on, but where would I find territorial divorce records? >Any ideas? > >Thanks, Julie > > Julie and all: Somebody correct me if I am wrong (happens ever once in a while :).... The Utah State Historical Society used to have a page on-line. I know they have Territorial records. Also, on the Ancestry.com site, there is a place you can order cds and such. Check to see if they happen to have a copy of the cd that has the Utah Territorial REcords. This would include marriages, court records, divorces, probably some of those 'committed' records ;) If my memory serves me right, the time of the divorce is a little later than when the Church declared polygamy illegal. Of course, depending on the marriage date of your ancestors, they might have been married when polygamy was practiced. They could have remained 'married' until such a time when it came to passing on property, inheriting estates, etc., then things could have become difficult. I know that my ggrandfather was a polygamist. His second wife left him and finished her life in California. He lived with his third wife (my ggrandmother) in Stone, Idaho and they had a very prosperous life. This was just far enough away from Utah (just a spit) to have the Marshals ignore them. The Marshals wanted those BIGTIME polygamists who lived in Utah, not just a Rancher with one 'current' wife ;) Anyway, enough of my 'stories'. I would see if you could find the cd that has the records for Territorial Utah. There might even be one of 'us' here who has these on hand and could look for you. Does anyone have a current url for the Utah State Historical Society? Terri

Here is LDS FAMILY HISTORY SUITE---Infobases ordering information from Appleton's. Terri Jenson sent it to me. It is out of print so those of you with pioneer ancestors better grab them while you can. LDS FAMILY HISTORY SUITE---Infobases >#24-755 - Windows -------------------------------$49.95 >A CD with six products in one geared towards the Mormon genealogist! It >contains Ancestral Quest v 2.0, the Ancestry Reference Library, the Pioneer >Heritage Library, the LDS Vital Records Library, the Geographic Reference >Library, and the World Wide Family History Network (aka Ancestry.com). >Infobases describes it as 'the complete solution for LDS family history and >genealogy research'. > >The World Wide Family History Network is no longer 'that' name. It is now >known as Ancestry.com and you can find this on-line at http://ancestry.com > >The number for the company is >800-777-3601 > >You can also order on-line at http://www.appletons.com with a VISA/Mastercard > -----Original Message----- From: Brian C. Madsen <bmadsen@fishnet.net> To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com <HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, May 10, 1998 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [HANDCART-L] Re: LDS Infobases

Recently Infobases sent out a flier to registered users announcing LDS Collectors Library '98. It includes the statement: "Tell your friends, If they currently have any gospel CD-ROM product, they're also eligible for this special upgrade offer." The offer is $49.95 for the upgrade. They'll ask for your old CD, but can make you an "Archive User" if you have a lot of highlights and notes on your '97 file. It includes the requested phone number. 1-800-242-5616. I'm not trying to sell anything, only passing along the info I received. If it can help anyone, great. If not, I tried. It also came with a list of the new titles. Anyone interested in what is new is welcome to contact me. Good luck with your searches. Maureen Lake lakegen@fiax.net lakegen@juno.com Maureen Lake lakegen@fiax.net lakegen@juno.com