I am seeking information on a James McGuffie who immigrated to the U.S.A. aboard the ship ERIN'S QUEEN. He left Liverpool, England on September 5, 1848 and arrived in New Orleans on October 28, 1849. He was traveling with his wife Margaret Dennett McGuffie and 4 children. The ERIN QUEEN had 232 Mormons on board under the direction of Simeon Carter. James McGuffie was in the first company of pioneers that accompanied George A. Smith to Parowan, Utah. I would greatly appreciate any help. Judy Smith E-Mail smithtoaks@aol.com P.S. The name was also spelled McGUFFY and McGUFFEY

Hi all: You can also purchase the "LDS Emigrant Roster and Voyage History" CD-ROM directly from: Grant Davis P.O. Box 11784 Salt Lake City, UT 84147 for $20.00. I learned about it at the Tracing Mormon Pioneers website. Since I'm in California, this was an easy way to order it. By the by, the "Tracing" address is: http://www.vii.com/~nelsonb/pioneer.htm#top it has a lot of good info. Julie

Marie Anne Cooper wrote: > Hello, > > Can anyone help me with my problem please. > > I am researching a family, or should say trying to, but every > time > I get near the door closes. > > I have a film number of the marriage but it has an A in front > of > film number. How can I get access to this film? > > Marie Marie, Where did you get this number and if you got it from IGI microfiche you may be looking at a batch number. A stands for Archives - usually old sheets tuned in long ago. After thinking about this more I realized that is probably what you are seeing. Tell me more. Laurie

At 02:34 PM 6/8/98 EDT, AScaife@aol.com wrote: >Can someone tell me if this is a list name change and if so what was it before >this >"""HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com""" << > > The list was set up for any and all descendants of Mormon pioneers to find histories and cousins. It has always been called Handcart ;) Terri

To the list: I asked Ronald to post the name of his CD, since I had posted a message directing people to the microfilm indices available at the Family History Library. The CD covers up to 1869, while the microfilm ship lists go into the early 1900s. Anytime you can get a CD and look at it at home while wearing your fuzzy bathrobe and bedroom slippers, I'm for it! It's still exciting to look at the microfilm of the original registers, and see you ancestor's names written in, with their occupations, how much they paid, etc. and to note other families on the same page (could be relatives). The later passenger lists also include the names of returning missionaries, so this source would be one place to look to confirm a relative had served a mission in Europe. Thanks, Ronald. P.S. You can order this CD through Deseret Book online (www.deseretbook.com). The cost is $19.95 plus shipping. If you are a Deseret Book Club member, you get a discount, plus credit for a purchase. The catalog number is SKU 3505075. The author is G. Davis. I was able to find it by searching for "Emigrant" as the keyword. ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: [HANDCART-L] Emigrant CD Author: "Ronald Colby" <rmcolby@micro-net.com> Date: 6/8/98 1:56 PM Lynda The CDs name. LDS EMIGRANT ROSTER & VOYAGE HISTORY 1840-1869 Has the following contents: LDS Passenger Lists (1840-50 & 1857-60) LDS Passenger Lists (1849-1860) LDS Scandinavian Lists (1854-1869) References Perpetual Emigration Fund Handcart Pioneers LDS Pioneers/Sons of Utah Pioneers Emigrants on the ship Brooklyn Australian Ships I got my copy from Deseret Book here in Salt Lake. I've also seen copies at Sam Wellers and Dalton book stores. Hope this info helps. If memory serves me right, I paid less than $20.00 for it "There's a mighty big difference between good, sound facts and facts that sound good." Ronald Colby rmcolby@micro-net.com Salt Lake City, Utah Researching the descendants and ancestors of Ezekiel Colby 1739-1791 and Sarah/Sally Fowler 1742-? Visit us at: http://www.parsonstech.com/genealogy/trees/rcolby/colby_ft.htm ---------- > Hi! Dumb me. I didn't know the ship registers were on a CD. Would you please > send a message to all with the title, source and price? I sent out a message > re > the microfilmed lists, unaware that a CD exists. Does the CD contain all the > information on the ship's register (the entries stretch across two pages in > the > books)? > > Thanks, Lynda > Received: from valhalla.tmac.com (192.206.250.2) by ccmail.tmac.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 00007193; Mon, 8 Jun 98 15:54:32 -0400 Received: from fp-1.rootsweb.com (fp-1.rootsweb.com [207.113.233.233]) by valhalla.tmac.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA26948 for <Durfee_Lynda@tmac.com>; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:01:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by fp-1.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA11776; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:57:29 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:57:29 -0700 (PDT) Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 Old-To: "Handcart" <HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com> Old-Cc: Durfee_Lynda@tmac.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Ronald Colby" <rmcolby@micro-net.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 98 13:56:24 PDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by fp-1.rootsweb.com id MAA10350 Subject: [HANDCART-L] Emigrant CD Message-ID: <"cTI30B.A.yxC.kIEf1"@fp-1.rootsweb.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"cTI30B.B.yxC.kIEf1"@fp-1.rootsweb.com> To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/723 X-Loop: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: HANDCART-L-request@rootsweb.com

Eldon & Terri Jensen wrote: > Marie > > What time frame are you searching? Some of us have access to > the Ancestry > site and could check on marriages for you if they are listed on > the site. > Also, if you are searching for an LDS relative that was a > pioneer, he/she > might be on one of our cds. > > I know we have a few who work at different FHCs around and > could answer the > question on the 'A' on your film. The only films I have ever > been > restricted on ordering were those specifically listed as not > available to > any LDS library. There are a few of those, but not too many ;) > > Holler back and let us know who, where, when and we will see if > somebody > here can help. We have a good group. > > Terri > > At 11:40 AM 6/8/98 +1200, Marie Anne Cooper wrote: > >Hello, > > > >Can anyone help me with my problem please. > > > >I am researching a family, or should say trying to, but every > time > >I get near the door closes. > > > >I have a film number of the marriage but it has an A in front > of > >film number. How can I get access to this film? > > > >Marie > > > >Marie, If that film is too close to the present it may be viewable only in Salt Lake Library in the room where you have to show a temple reccommend to get in. They are records of marriages and births in this century, also filmed groupsheets turned in where some of the parties are still alive. Have had to go there several times myself. Give me some details - film number woiuld be the most valuable. I will get the story. Laurie lcastillo@itsnet.com

Marie What time frame are you searching? Some of us have access to the Ancestry site and could check on marriages for you if they are listed on the site. Also, if you are searching for an LDS relative that was a pioneer, he/she might be on one of our cds. I know we have a few who work at different FHCs around and could answer the question on the 'A' on your film. The only films I have ever been restricted on ordering were those specifically listed as not available to any LDS library. There are a few of those, but not too many ;) Holler back and let us know who, where, when and we will see if somebody here can help. We have a good group. Terri At 11:40 AM 6/8/98 +1200, Marie Anne Cooper wrote: >Hello, > >Can anyone help me with my problem please. > >I am researching a family, or should say trying to, but every time >I get near the door closes. > >I have a film number of the marriage but it has an A in front of >film number. How can I get access to this film? > >Marie > >

I am seeking information about these brothers, who traveled from Liverpool to New Orleans and then up river. They were with their father, perhaps another brother, and wives??? They left Liverpool on 10 Feb 1852 on the Ellen Maria and arrived in New Orleans on 5 April 1852. (These dates came from family records and were confirmed via the Mormon Pioneer Site). I would like to know whether their wives came, what the names of their party might have been, whether they brought any children with them and get information about the trip both from Liverpool and to SLC. Family legend has two stories - one that they went to SLC and one that they left the party and went directly to California. Any help would be most appreicated. Linda

Linda Found John and James on my CD. Family #2 2 in party, same family number for both brothers Looks like the two of them traveled in one party. Information on the Ellen Maria. ELLEN MARIA Ship: 768 tons: 151' x 33' x 17' Built: 1849 by Harrison Springer at Richmond, Maine Three emigrant companies, totaling 1079 Mormons, crossed the Atlantic aboard the square-rigged Ellen Maria. The first voyage began on 2 February 1851 at Liverpool with 378 Mormons on board, including Apostle Orson Pratt and his family who were returning from a mission in Great Britain. Elder George D. Watt presided over the company. Religious services were held several times weekly on shipboard. During the sixty-three-day passage there were four births, five deaths, and three marriages. In general the crossing was pleasant with little sickness. The vessel arrived at New Orleans on 6 April. The Ellen Maria was again chartered for a second voyage with a company of 369 Saints, including 182 financed by the Perpetual Emigrating Fund and a number of returning missionaries. The ship sailed on 10 February 1852 from Liverpool, after being detained for several days by adverse winds. Elder Isaac C. Haight presided over the Saints. During the crossing three babies were born, an elderly woman died, and four marriages were solemnized. After "a pleasant and prosperous" passage of fifty five days the ship arrived on 5 April at New Orleans. On 17 January 1853 the Ellen Maria sailed from Liverpool with her third Mormon company, again after being delayed for several days by contrary winds. Elder Moses Clawson presided over the 332 Saints. The voyage was rough and stormy, especially for the first eight days. Elder Clawson was sick almost the entire crossing. During the forty-eight-day passage there were five deaths, five births, and two marriages. The vessel arrived on 6 March at New Orleans. Captain Amherst Whitmore apparently was master of the Ellen Maria during all three voyages. He was described as a "very kind and considerate man" who treated the "emigrants with all due respect and consideration." This three-masted ship sailed in both the Nesmith & Walsh Line and the White Star Line. Passenger List Sources: (1851) LDS Passenger List (Family History Library) Film: #025,690 (Item 1-15) U.S. Government Passenger List (Family History Library) Film: #200,166 Identification Number on Government Passenger List: #170 Passenger List Sources: (1852) LDS Passenger List (Family History Library) Film: #025,690 U.S. Government Passenger List (Family History Library) Film: #200,169 Identification Number on Government Passenger List: #157 Passenger List Sources: (1853) LDS Passenger List (Family History Library) Film: #025,690 (Item 2-3) U.S. Government Passenger List (Family History Library) Film: #200,173 & 200243 Identification Number on Government Passenger List: (200,173)#061 "There's a mighty big difference between good, sound facts and facts that sound good." Ronald Colby rmcolby@micro-net.com Salt Lake City, Utah Researching the descendants and ancestors of Ezekiel Colby 1739-1791 and Sarah/Sally Fowler 1742-? Visit us at: http://www.parsonstech.com/genealogy/trees/rcolby/colby_ft.htm ---------- > I am seeking information about these brothers, who traveled from > Liverpool to New Orleans and then up river. They were with their > father, perhaps another brother, and wives??? They left Liverpool on 10 > Feb 1852 on the Ellen Maria and arrived in New Orleans on 5 April 1852. > (These dates came from family records and were confirmed via the Mormon > Pioneer Site). I would like to know whether their wives came, what the > names of their party might have been, whether they brought any children > with them and get information about the trip both from Liverpool and to > SLC. Family legend has two stories - one that they went to SLC and one > that they left the party and went directly to California. Any help > would be most appreicated. Linda >

Can someone tell me if this is a list name change and if so what was it before this """HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com""" <<

Lynda The CDs name. LDS EMIGRANT ROSTER & VOYAGE HISTORY 1840-1869 Has the following contents: LDS Passenger Lists (1840-50 & 1857-60) LDS Passenger Lists (1849-1860) LDS Scandinavian Lists (1854-1869) References Perpetual Emigration Fund Handcart Pioneers LDS Pioneers/Sons of Utah Pioneers Emigrants on the ship Brooklyn Australian Ships I got my copy from Deseret Book here in Salt Lake. I've also seen copies at Sam Wellers and Dalton book stores. Hope this info helps. If memory serves me right, I paid less than $20.00 for it "There's a mighty big difference between good, sound facts and facts that sound good." Ronald Colby rmcolby@micro-net.com Salt Lake City, Utah Researching the descendants and ancestors of Ezekiel Colby 1739-1791 and Sarah/Sally Fowler 1742-? Visit us at: http://www.parsonstech.com/genealogy/trees/rcolby/colby_ft.htm ---------- > Hi! Dumb me. I didn't know the ship registers were on a CD. Would you please > send a message to all with the title, source and price? I sent out a message > re > the microfilmed lists, unaware that a CD exists. Does the CD contain all the > information on the ship's register (the entries stretch across two pages in > the > books)? > > Thanks, Lynda >

I am trying to find info on my gggggg grandfather. His name was Edward Edwards and he married Elizabeth Thomas on October 21, 1820 banns. I am looking for information regarding two things. I know from has marriage certificate there was a William Edwards and a Mary Richards who were the witnesses. Any clue as to how to find out who his parents were? Second, I know they Edward Edwards and Elizabeth Thomas and their children joined the LDS church in the fall of 1848. Then they traveled to America between 1848 and 1850. Can anyone lend a hand in finding out what ship they may have crossed the sea on? Thank you all! John Edwards

-----Original Message----- From: John Edwards <jb2u@vegasnet.net> To: TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com <TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, June 06, 1998 11:05 AM Subject: [TSL] Edward Edwards & Elizabeth Thomas >I am looking for assistance on finding information on my GGGGGG Grandfather >Edward Edwards & his wife Elizabeth Thomas. They joined the Mormon church >in the fall of 1848 when they lived in Methry Tidvil Wales. > >Sometime betwee 1848 and 1849 they and their children, Edward, John, Mary, >and Ann, left Wales for America. I am lookingo for information about what >ship they may have traveled on to get to America. > >I appreciate any assistance that you may be able to give to me. > >Thank You, > > >John Edwards > > > >==== TheShipsList Mailing List ==== >TheShipsList Digest's On-Line at: >http://www.cimorelli.com/ShipsList/digest/ >TheShipsList Searchable Archives Database >http://www.chignecto.net/website/cwa/wa-shipslist.nsf >*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > > > > > > > > >

I'll paste in the message I sent to the list last week, since I guess you missed it. Did you check the Crossing the Ocean Index? The Family History Library has a set of microfilm rolls of indices from Mormon emigrant ships from the late 1840s up to the early 1900s. These films are essentially 3x5 index cards that have been placed in alphabetical order, then filmed. There is a card for each single or family, with name of ship and year, port of departure and arrival port. Once you have found an index card for your ancestor, then you can go to the actual ship's register (another microfilm set). The registry give age, occupation and a local address for each group. The local address is not always a family member; sometimes it is the local Mormon agent. There is a similar index, nicknamed "Crossing the Plains Index." This covers handcart and wagon companies from 1847 until the completion of the railroad in 1869. This index was created from the official lists of companies from the Journal History of the Church. Most of the lists came from the Deseret News. The list was published even before the company arrived, so friends and family could go out to meet the new arrivals, often helping them from Bear River over the mountains into the valley. The cards have only names, ages, name of company and year. SOMETIMES, also the name of the ship if they came from Europe. The film numbers for both set of indices and the ships registers can be found by searching the FHL catalog via a locality search for Utah as a state, then scrolling down topics to find Emigration and Immigration. THESE TWO INDICES SHOULD BE USED AS A START FOR ANYONE WITH PIONEER ANCESTRY. While they are not perfect, you will find about 90% plus of pioneer ancestors in one or both of these indices (both if emigrated from Europe). After all, they didn't get to the valley by starship transporters!! The 1900 census is another source of emigration information for foreign-born saints. Look in the columns for year of immigration, number of years in US and naturalization. The year may not be 100% accurate (especially if the person immigrated as a child), but it is a good start. Early Utah ward records sometimes have information on birth, parents, etc. You will have to check the FHL catalog under the locality, then church records. If you can find the person in a ward record in the early 1900s, you'll get even more info. I've looked at ward records going back to the early 1860s, but SLC records go back to the beginning. There are also ward records for Nauvoo. Another source is the IGI. Many who were baptized in Great Britain show up on the ward/branch records transcribed by Minnie Margetts a long time ago. Also marriages performed in the Endowment House are in the IGI. You need special permission to view the actual Endowment House records on microfilm; photocopying is not allowed, and you can only look at the record of a direct ancestor. I don't remember whether these films can be loaned to local FHCs. Hope this helps. ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: [HANDCART-L] Edward Edwards & Elizabeth Thomas, Wales Englan Author: "John Edwards" <jb2u@vegasnet.net> Date: 6/8/27 6:48 PM I am trying to find info on my gggggg grandfather. His name was Edward Edwards and he married Elizabeth Thomas on October 21, 1820 banns. I am looking for information regarding two things. I know from has marriage certificate there was a William Edwards and a Mary Richards who were the witnesses. Any clue as to how to find out who his parents were? Second, I know they Edward Edwards and Elizabeth Thomas and their children joined the LDS church in the fall of 1848. Then they traveled to America between 1848 and 1850. Can anyone lend a hand in finding out what ship they may have crossed the sea on? Thank you all! John Edwards Received: from valhalla.tmac.com (192.206.250.2) by ccmail.tmac.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 0000664E; Sat, 6 Jun 98 21:46:09 -0400 Received: from fp-1.rootsweb.com (fp-1.rootsweb.com [207.113.233.233]) by valhalla.tmac.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA25805 for <Durfee_Lynda@tmac.com>; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:52:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by fp-1.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA17839; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 18:49:15 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 18:49:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <005c01de1683$9701d4a0$8a7e93d0@johnfami> From: "John Edwards" <jb2u@vegasnet.net> Old-To: <HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2027 18:48:48 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [HANDCART-L] Edward Edwards & Elizabeth Thomas, Wales England Resent-Message-ID: <"DooTdC.A.9VE.UGfe1"@fp-1.rootsweb.com> To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/705 X-Loop: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: HANDCART-L-request@rootsweb.com

Hi I am new to this list so here goes I have a copy of a list which says my ancestors, James and Elizabeth SIMMONS left Australia on the "Jenny Ford" on 28 May 1856 with their children, Eliza Elizabeth, Emma Ellen, Henry, James Albert, Mary Ann, Sarah Ann, Sophia Jane and Thomas. I am interested in finding out when James and some of his children came back to Australia and we know it was between 1856 when they arrived and 1860 as he is not listed in the 1860 US Census. He died in Australia in 1865. Can anyone help me regarding shipping lists for LDS passengers leaving California bound for Australia during this time frame. Bye for now Mandy Ballenden mb@hunterlink.net.au Visit my Web Site http://users.hunterlink.net.au/~dtmb Hinton & Buck (Oxfordshire) Bacon (Colchester) Stace (Susex) These names will be added at a later date As well as the family names on my home page Researching Hinton, & Buck (Oxfordshire) Bacon (Colchester) Stace (Sussex) These pages will be added at a later date

Denise L. Cold wrote: > Dear Laurie, > My name is Denise Cold. Until August, I will be the > president of > the Andrew Hunter Scott Genealogical Association a genealogy > group > founded about the same time as yours dedicated to the genealogy > of our > common ancestor Andrew Hunter Scott. This year we are > completing the > biography of Andrew H. Scott and and are very excited because > we have > found an experience writer and have a benefactor who has given > us a > budget to do it properly. > The reason I am writing you is I came upon your > article/editorial > about your group and its need for space. Although I don't have > a meeting > house for you I thought that you may be a help to us. We are > in need of > pictures of early Provo and some of the people of the time that > Andrew > would have had contact with. We also need pictures of work > done on the > Provo canyon. We have found some pictures like the tabernacle > meeting > house and the woolen mills that are more readily available but > are > looking for maybe some more obscure ones. Andrew was the > bishop of 2nd > ward and a mayor and involved in many civic organizations like > many were > during the development of Provo. If you can help, I can get > you a more > detailed list of pictures we need and maybe you can ask your > group for > help. > I noticed in your article that you have a meeting the > second > friday of the month. If you are having one this month I would > like to > know and maybe I could attend and ask your members directly. > Any thing you could offer would help. Thank you. > Denise Cold > dcold@juno. com or 229-2599 > 487 Chokecherry Circle > Orem, Utah 84058 > PS Any relation to Janice that teaches at Orem Elementary. > Taylor my > son just had her as a first grade teacher. > Denise, Will forward your message to members of my group. We will have our June meeting on the 12th at 7:00 pm at the Lee Library on the BYU campus - 4th floor by the family history area. You could make an announcement then. I will also forward your message to an LDS roots list I am on. [Anyone responding please send it right to Denise. Thanks.] No relation to Janice, although I have had people call here and try to make a parent teacher conference with her. Laurie 224-5327 > _____________________________________________________________________ > > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet > e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Hello, Can anyone help me with my problem please. I am researching a family, or should say trying to, but every time I get near the door closes. I have a film number of the marriage but it has an A in front of film number. How can I get access to this film? Marie

Steve, I would highly recommend the LDS Church's official site: http://www.lds.org Specifically, regarding your questions, check: http://www.lds.org/Global_Media_Guide/Temples_and_Families.html Some of the answers you seek may be there. Andy E. Wold ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: "Steve Anderson" <sanderson@net999.com> > To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com > > While I am not a church member, I do have relatives who are. I am > using the Family History Center nearby for genealogy research. I was > somewhat surprized to find that many of the volunteers are not LDS > members, hence unable to answer questions which might link genealogy, > FHC resources, church belief/practice & terminology. > Would someone on the list provide me the terminology for the church > belief/practice regarding baptism, marriage for those who are dead? > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Regards, > Steve Anderson, Huntington Beach, CA > sanderson@net999.com

When I first started looking for our family tree... I found a site on the internet that seemed to be associated with the FHC... it had a white background, lovely green (I think) ivy on the left side, and a picture of a temple on it... and it had wonderful information on PAF files... a searchable database and all... does this sound familliar to anyone? Melinda Yoas, squid@exec.tscnet.com

Hi, I am looking for the BURRIS family, they have been in Nevada for a while now, but I am looking for ties to them... we have several Harry Burris's, but we are just starting to look... I have been told that the line that I seek was Mormon, and that one of them was possibly wanted for murder in Arizona... though that has not been confirmed... any help on this line would be most helpful... Melinda Yoas squid@exec.tscnet.com