I was misinformed about the alphabet. It is not as secretive as I thought. Can anyone give more info on this so I don't give out the wrong definition. I want to be sure, too. Holly ---------- From: diane epperson <editorz@inreach.com> To: hulaboy@sprintmail.com; HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: secret Deseret alphabet Date: Friday, June 12, 1998 5:17 PM Hi Holly, Now you've peaked my interest. Tell me about the secret Deseret alphabet! Forgive me if this is common knowledge, but I'm not an LDS church member. Tschüss __________________________________________________________ Diane Epperson --from sunny Ocotillo in the flaming Yuha Desert of Southern California editorz@inreach.com "Eala Fria Fresena!" -- "Lever Dod As Slaav!" Researching . . . FLESNER, EBER, BUSS, ELLERMEIER of Illinois aus Deutschland LEWIS, COLEMAN, HART of New Jersey ANDERSEN, EDMISTON, SNOW of Utah . . . und mein rottweiler WORF (canis klingon) ---------- : From: hulaboy <hulaboy@sprintmail.com> : To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com : Subject: Re: Re:[HANDCART-L] Re: HANDCART-D Digest V98 #104 : Date: Friday, June 12, 1998 1:03 PM : : My gg-grandfather's journal was donated to the archives (don't know who : donated it) and I was able to hold it in my hands and feel the buck skin : cover. It was wonderful. It didn't do me a bit of good to read it due to : the fact that it is written n the secretive DESERET ALPHABET. He is a bit : of a mystery, anyway, so no one is surprised. I had to prove descendancy : before they would let me see it, which was fine with me. : : Guess what, I happen to live in SLC. I will be more than happy to take : some time and do some lookups or go to the archives for anybody. It may : take me a week or two to get it all together, you know how it goes...the : son's baseball games, part-time job, house, the other two kids, etc... so : just let me know. I plan to go and request a few patriarchal blessings : myself. I've really learned a lot from you wonderful friends! : : Holly Carmichael May : : ---------- : > From: Durfee_Lynda@tmac.com : > To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com : > Subject: Re:[HANDCART-L] Re: HANDCART-D Digest V98 #104 : > Date: Friday, June 12, 1998 6:44 AM : > : > The Church Archives are in the Church Office Building off Temple Square. : It is : > behind the Joseph Smith Building (old Hotel Utah). I THINK the hours are : 8:30 - : > 4:30 M-F. I know for sure they close at 4:30, and pretty sure they open : at : > 8:30. Definitely NOT open evenings and weekends. The church history : library is : > on the first floor right as you enter from the plaza. The archives are : on the : > second floor. I'll summarize some of the resources I've used at the : archives : > below, but my experience consists of a few days worth, scattered over : three : > visits on trips to Utah. : > : > The archives does have a computerized catalog, available ONLY at the : archives. : > HOWEVER, this does not include every item. You can search by subject, : author, : > surname, etc., but you don't always find something you know to be there. : Most : > of the computerized catalog is on microfilm. : > : > There is a separate index on microfiche for ward and branch records. You : look : > up the name of the ward/branch, then get a number which refers to a : series. Then : > you need to ask what records are available for that ward/branch (relief : society, : > priesthood quorums, etc.). : > : > There also is a missionary index to find information on the dates and : place of : > service of missionaries, going way back. This is on both film and fiche. : : > : > When you go to the archives, you need to have a clear idea of what you : are : > looking for. You definitely need to know to ask the right question. The : staff : > are very helpful, but if your don't find something, you should ask if : there are : > records not in the catalog in your area of search. You might call first : to ask : > about records and sources. Well worth the cost of a long-distance phone : call. : > : > Good luck. : > : > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ : > Subject: [HANDCART-L] Re: HANDCART-D Digest V98 #104 : > Author: Cballd@aol.com : > Date: 6/11/98 7:49 PM : > : > Could someone please tell me about the church archives. A lot of my Great : > grandfather's papers were donated there years ago. Would I be able to : access : > these? Where are the archives? What hours? What's available? etc. etc. I : hope : > to get down there again this summer. I spent a full hour at the FHL last : month : > while my daughter-in-law walked around temple square, then we got back in : the : > car and continued toward home (Seattle.) : > Thanks for your help, : > Cindy Alldredge : > : > Received: from valhalla.tmac.com (192.206.250.2) by ccmail.tmac.com with : SMTP : > (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 000099BF; Thu, 11 Jun 98 : 19:52:36 : > -0400 : > Received: from fp-1.rootsweb.com (fp-1.rootsweb.com [207.113.233.233]) by : > valhalla.tmac.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA21707 for : > <Durfee_Lynda@tmac.com>; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:59:37 -0400 : > Received: (from slist@localhost) : > by fp-1.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA17578; : > Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:55:41 -0700 (PDT) : > Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:55:41 -0700 (PDT) : > From: Cballd@aol.com : > Message-ID: <84b46864.35806d0c@aol.com> : > Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:49:31 EDT : > Old-To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com : > Mime-Version: 1.0 : > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII : > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit : > X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 : > Subject: [HANDCART-L] Re: HANDCART-D Digest V98 #104 : > Resent-Message-ID: <"1DeECD.A.CJE.n5Gg1"@fp-1.rootsweb.com> : > To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com : > Resent-From: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com : > X-Mailing-List: <HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/741 : > X-Loop: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com : > Precedence: list : > Resent-Sender: HANDCART-L-request@rootsweb.com : > : ----------

This is getting fun! I was misinformed about this! I am going to research this and get some fun info! Thanks to all for the pointers! Holly ---------- > From: AEParshall@aol.com > To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HANDCART-L] Deseret Alphabet in ancestors' journals > Date: Friday, June 12, 1998 5:35 PM > > > In a message dated 06/12/98 1:12:36 PM, hulaboy@sprintmail.com wrote: > > >It didn't do me a bit of good to read it due to > >the fact that it is written n the secretive DESERET ALPHABET. > > The Deseret Alphabet is very, very easy to read (assuming your grandfather had > reasonably decent handwriting) after only a half hour or so of study. You > won't read it fast at first, but it will come quite easily. > > There's nothing at all secretive about it. It is quite easy to find material > about it on the internet, for example, and I even found a DA font for my > Macintosh in the AOL library. Try: > > http://people.delphi.com/deseret/home/homealph.htm > > for starters. You can find the alphabet, with sample paragraphs, in quite a > few readily available places, including the materials that are distributed to > seminary students during their year on church history. Since you live in > Utah, you have easy access to microfilmed copies of the Deseret News -- scan > the films, especially for the weekly edition of the paper, for the right years > and you will find the DA/romanization table frequently and sample articles > every few days. > > If you're really interested in reading your ancestor's journal, you can do it > with very little preparation and only moderate effort. Wasn't secret then, > and isn't secret now. > > Ardis Parshall > AEParshall@aol.com >

Hi Holly, Now you've peaked my interest. Tell me about the secret Deseret alphabet! Forgive me if this is common knowledge, but I'm not an LDS church member. Tschüss __________________________________________________________ Diane Epperson --from sunny Ocotillo in the flaming Yuha Desert of Southern California editorz@inreach.com "Eala Fria Fresena!" -- "Lever Dod As Slaav!" Researching . . . FLESNER, EBER, BUSS, ELLERMEIER of Illinois aus Deutschland LEWIS, COLEMAN, HART of New Jersey ANDERSEN, EDMISTON, SNOW of Utah . . . und mein rottweiler WORF (canis klingon) ---------- : From: hulaboy <hulaboy@sprintmail.com> : To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com : Subject: Re: Re:[HANDCART-L] Re: HANDCART-D Digest V98 #104 : Date: Friday, June 12, 1998 1:03 PM : : My gg-grandfather's journal was donated to the archives (don't know who : donated it) and I was able to hold it in my hands and feel the buck skin : cover. It was wonderful. It didn't do me a bit of good to read it due to : the fact that it is written n the secretive DESERET ALPHABET. He is a bit : of a mystery, anyway, so no one is surprised. I had to prove descendancy : before they would let me see it, which was fine with me. : : Guess what, I happen to live in SLC. I will be more than happy to take : some time and do some lookups or go to the archives for anybody. It may : take me a week or two to get it all together, you know how it goes...the : son's baseball games, part-time job, house, the other two kids, etc... so : just let me know. I plan to go and request a few patriarchal blessings : myself. I've really learned a lot from you wonderful friends! : : Holly Carmichael May : : ---------- : > From: Durfee_Lynda@tmac.com : > To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com : > Subject: Re:[HANDCART-L] Re: HANDCART-D Digest V98 #104 : > Date: Friday, June 12, 1998 6:44 AM : > : > The Church Archives are in the Church Office Building off Temple Square. : It is : > behind the Joseph Smith Building (old Hotel Utah). I THINK the hours are : 8:30 - : > 4:30 M-F. I know for sure they close at 4:30, and pretty sure they open : at : > 8:30. Definitely NOT open evenings and weekends. The church history : library is : > on the first floor right as you enter from the plaza. The archives are : on the : > second floor. I'll summarize some of the resources I've used at the : archives : > below, but my experience consists of a few days worth, scattered over : three : > visits on trips to Utah. : > : > The archives does have a computerized catalog, available ONLY at the : archives. : > HOWEVER, this does not include every item. You can search by subject, : author, : > surname, etc., but you don't always find something you know to be there. : Most : > of the computerized catalog is on microfilm. : > : > There is a separate index on microfiche for ward and branch records. You : look : > up the name of the ward/branch, then get a number which refers to a : series. Then : > you need to ask what records are available for that ward/branch (relief : society, : > priesthood quorums, etc.). : > : > There also is a missionary index to find information on the dates and : place of : > service of missionaries, going way back. This is on both film and fiche. : : > : > When you go to the archives, you need to have a clear idea of what you : are : > looking for. You definitely need to know to ask the right question. The : staff : > are very helpful, but if your don't find something, you should ask if : there are : > records not in the catalog in your area of search. You might call first : to ask : > about records and sources. Well worth the cost of a long-distance phone : call. : > : > Good luck. : > : > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ : > Subject: [HANDCART-L] Re: HANDCART-D Digest V98 #104 : > Author: Cballd@aol.com : > Date: 6/11/98 7:49 PM : > : > Could someone please tell me about the church archives. A lot of my Great : > grandfather's papers were donated there years ago. Would I be able to : access : > these? Where are the archives? What hours? What's available? etc. etc. I : hope : > to get down there again this summer. I spent a full hour at the FHL last : month : > while my daughter-in-law walked around temple square, then we got back in : the : > car and continued toward home (Seattle.) : > Thanks for your help, : > Cindy Alldredge : > : > Received: from valhalla.tmac.com (192.206.250.2) by ccmail.tmac.com with : SMTP : > (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 000099BF; Thu, 11 Jun 98 : 19:52:36 : > -0400 : > Received: from fp-1.rootsweb.com (fp-1.rootsweb.com [207.113.233.233]) by : > valhalla.tmac.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA21707 for : > <Durfee_Lynda@tmac.com>; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:59:37 -0400 : > Received: (from slist@localhost) : > by fp-1.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA17578; : > Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:55:41 -0700 (PDT) : > Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:55:41 -0700 (PDT) : > From: Cballd@aol.com : > Message-ID: <84b46864.35806d0c@aol.com> : > Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:49:31 EDT : > Old-To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com : > Mime-Version: 1.0 : > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII : > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit : > X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 : > Subject: [HANDCART-L] Re: HANDCART-D Digest V98 #104 : > Resent-Message-ID: <"1DeECD.A.CJE.n5Gg1"@fp-1.rootsweb.com> : > To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com : > Resent-From: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com : > X-Mailing-List: <HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/741 : > X-Loop: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com : > Precedence: list : > Resent-Sender: HANDCART-L-request@rootsweb.com : > :

-----Original Message----- From: John Edwards <jb2u@vegasnet.net> To: HANDCARTS-L@rootsweb.com <HANDCARTS-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, June 11, 1998 2:10 PM Subject: John & Edward Edwards 1850 >I am looking for information on John & Edward Edwards. They left Council >Bluffs, IA somewhere after June or July of 1850 and began their trek to Salt >Lake City, UT. > >Does anyone have any information on these two individuals regarding what >group they may have traveled with, the captain of the group, etc.. Any >information at all will be appreciated. > >Thank You, > >John Edwards > > >

My gg-grandfather's journal was donated to the archives (don't know who donated it) and I was able to hold it in my hands and feel the buck skin cover. It was wonderful. It didn't do me a bit of good to read it due to the fact that it is written n the secretive DESERET ALPHABET. He is a bit of a mystery, anyway, so no one is surprised. I had to prove descendancy before they would let me see it, which was fine with me. Guess what, I happen to live in SLC. I will be more than happy to take some time and do some lookups or go to the archives for anybody. It may take me a week or two to get it all together, you know how it goes...the son's baseball games, part-time job, house, the other two kids, etc... so just let me know. I plan to go and request a few patriarchal blessings myself. I've really learned a lot from you wonderful friends! Holly Carmichael May ---------- > From: Durfee_Lynda@tmac.com > To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re:[HANDCART-L] Re: HANDCART-D Digest V98 #104 > Date: Friday, June 12, 1998 6:44 AM > > The Church Archives are in the Church Office Building off Temple Square. It is > behind the Joseph Smith Building (old Hotel Utah). I THINK the hours are 8:30 - > 4:30 M-F. I know for sure they close at 4:30, and pretty sure they open at > 8:30. Definitely NOT open evenings and weekends. The church history library is > on the first floor right as you enter from the plaza. The archives are on the > second floor. I'll summarize some of the resources I've used at the archives > below, but my experience consists of a few days worth, scattered over three > visits on trips to Utah. > > The archives does have a computerized catalog, available ONLY at the archives. > HOWEVER, this does not include every item. You can search by subject, author, > surname, etc., but you don't always find something you know to be there. Most > of the computerized catalog is on microfilm. > > There is a separate index on microfiche for ward and branch records. You look > up the name of the ward/branch, then get a number which refers to a series. Then > you need to ask what records are available for that ward/branch (relief society, > priesthood quorums, etc.). > > There also is a missionary index to find information on the dates and place of > service of missionaries, going way back. This is on both film and fiche. > > When you go to the archives, you need to have a clear idea of what you are > looking for. You definitely need to know to ask the right question. The staff > are very helpful, but if your don't find something, you should ask if there are > records not in the catalog in your area of search. You might call first to ask > about records and sources. Well worth the cost of a long-distance phone call. > > Good luck. > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > Subject: [HANDCART-L] Re: HANDCART-D Digest V98 #104 > Author: Cballd@aol.com > Date: 6/11/98 7:49 PM > > Could someone please tell me about the church archives. A lot of my Great > grandfather's papers were donated there years ago. Would I be able to access > these? Where are the archives? What hours? What's available? etc. etc. I hope > to get down there again this summer. I spent a full hour at the FHL last month > while my daughter-in-law walked around temple square, then we got back in the > car and continued toward home (Seattle.) > Thanks for your help, > Cindy Alldredge > > Received: from valhalla.tmac.com (192.206.250.2) by ccmail.tmac.com with SMTP > (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 000099BF; Thu, 11 Jun 98 19:52:36 > -0400 > Received: from fp-1.rootsweb.com (fp-1.rootsweb.com [207.113.233.233]) by > valhalla.tmac.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA21707 for > <Durfee_Lynda@tmac.com>; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:59:37 -0400 > Received: (from slist@localhost) > by fp-1.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA17578; > Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:55:41 -0700 (PDT) > Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:55:41 -0700 (PDT) > From: Cballd@aol.com > Message-ID: <84b46864.35806d0c@aol.com> > Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:49:31 EDT > Old-To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 > Subject: [HANDCART-L] Re: HANDCART-D Digest V98 #104 > Resent-Message-ID: <"1DeECD.A.CJE.n5Gg1"@fp-1.rootsweb.com> > To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-From: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com > X-Mailing-List: <HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/741 > X-Loop: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com > Precedence: list > Resent-Sender: HANDCART-L-request@rootsweb.com >

In a message dated 06/12/98 1:12:36 PM, hulaboy@sprintmail.com wrote: >It didn't do me a bit of good to read it due to >the fact that it is written n the secretive DESERET ALPHABET. The Deseret Alphabet is very, very easy to read (assuming your grandfather had reasonably decent handwriting) after only a half hour or so of study. You won't read it fast at first, but it will come quite easily. There's nothing at all secretive about it. It is quite easy to find material about it on the internet, for example, and I even found a DA font for my Macintosh in the AOL library. Try: http://people.delphi.com/deseret/home/homealph.htm for starters. You can find the alphabet, with sample paragraphs, in quite a few readily available places, including the materials that are distributed to seminary students during their year on church history. Since you live in Utah, you have easy access to microfilmed copies of the Deseret News -- scan the films, especially for the weekly edition of the paper, for the right years and you will find the DA/romanization table frequently and sample articles every few days. If you're really interested in reading your ancestor's journal, you can do it with very little preparation and only moderate effort. Wasn't secret then, and isn't secret now. Ardis Parshall AEParshall@aol.com

The Church Archives are in the Church Office Building off Temple Square. It is behind the Joseph Smith Building (old Hotel Utah). I THINK the hours are 8:30 - 4:30 M-F. I know for sure they close at 4:30, and pretty sure they open at 8:30. Definitely NOT open evenings and weekends. The church history library is on the first floor right as you enter from the plaza. The archives are on the second floor. I'll summarize some of the resources I've used at the archives below, but my experience consists of a few days worth, scattered over three visits on trips to Utah. The archives does have a computerized catalog, available ONLY at the archives. HOWEVER, this does not include every item. You can search by subject, author, surname, etc., but you don't always find something you know to be there. Most of the computerized catalog is on microfilm. There is a separate index on microfiche for ward and branch records. You look up the name of the ward/branch, then get a number which refers to a series. Then you need to ask what records are available for that ward/branch (relief society, priesthood quorums, etc.). There also is a missionary index to find information on the dates and place of service of missionaries, going way back. This is on both film and fiche. When you go to the archives, you need to have a clear idea of what you are looking for. You definitely need to know to ask the right question. The staff are very helpful, but if your don't find something, you should ask if there are records not in the catalog in your area of search. You might call first to ask about records and sources. Well worth the cost of a long-distance phone call. Good luck. ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: [HANDCART-L] Re: HANDCART-D Digest V98 #104 Author: Cballd@aol.com Date: 6/11/98 7:49 PM Could someone please tell me about the church archives. A lot of my Great grandfather's papers were donated there years ago. Would I be able to access these? Where are the archives? What hours? What's available? etc. etc. I hope to get down there again this summer. I spent a full hour at the FHL last month while my daughter-in-law walked around temple square, then we got back in the car and continued toward home (Seattle.) Thanks for your help, Cindy Alldredge Received: from valhalla.tmac.com (192.206.250.2) by ccmail.tmac.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 000099BF; Thu, 11 Jun 98 19:52:36 -0400 Received: from fp-1.rootsweb.com (fp-1.rootsweb.com [207.113.233.233]) by valhalla.tmac.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA21707 for <Durfee_Lynda@tmac.com>; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:59:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by fp-1.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA17578; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:55:41 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:55:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Cballd@aol.com Message-ID: <84b46864.35806d0c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:49:31 EDT Old-To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Subject: [HANDCART-L] Re: HANDCART-D Digest V98 #104 Resent-Message-ID: <"1DeECD.A.CJE.n5Gg1"@fp-1.rootsweb.com> To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/741 X-Loop: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: HANDCART-L-request@rootsweb.com

At 12:14 AM 6/12/98 +0000, you wrote: >>I am looking for information on John & Edward Edwards. They left Council >>Bluffs, IA somewhere after June or July of 1850 and began their trek to Salt >>Lake City, UT. >> >>Does anyone have any information on these two individuals regarding what >>group they may have traveled with, the captain of the group, etc.. Any >>information at all will be appreciated. >> >>Thank You, >> >>John Edwards >> > Pioneers and Prominent Men of Utah, p.862 EVANS, DAVID (son of Israel and Abigail Evans of Maryland). Born Oct. 27, 1804, Cecil county, Md. Came to Utah Sept. 15, 1850. Married Mary Beck July 25, 1826 (daughter of Henry and Margaret Beck), who was born Oct. 18, 1804; died June 20, 1841, Adams county, Ill. Their children: Eliza Jane b. April 16, 1827, m. Ira Hinkley; Israel b. Oct. 2, 1828, m. Matilda Thomas; Henry b. Oct. 25, 1830, m. Anna Bruun; Mary Ann b. Sept. 2, 1832, m. John Glines; Margaret b. Jan. 3, 1835, d. Aug. 27, 1836; Araminta b. Aug. 21, 1838, d. Oct. 1, 1838; Emma b. Jan. 12, 1840, m. Prime Coleman. Pioneers and Prominent Men of Utah, p.862 Married Barbara Ann Ewell Nov. 23, 1841 (daughter of Pleasant and Barbara Ewell), who was born May 16, 1821, Albemarle county, Va. Their children: Martha b. Oct. 20, 1842, m. William Winn; Amanda b. April 21, 1844, m. Edward Edwards; Abigail b. Jan. 27, 1846, m. Oley Ellingson; Joseph b, April 7, 1847, m. Jane Scofield; Sarah b. April 27, 1849, m. Jacob Hodge; Susannah b. May 6, 1850, m. Isaac Aldridge; David b. Jan. 28, 1852, m. Leah Naegle; Hyrum b. July 8, 1853, d. July 29, 1862; Barbara Ann b. March 15, 1855, m. John P. Bush; Rozilla b. May 4, 1856, m. William E. Racker; Ephraim b. July 11, 1858, d. May 15, 1863; Eleazar b. Feb. 24, 1861, d. March 24, 1884; Mosiah b. Sept. 22, 1862, m. Pioneers and Prominent Men of Utah, p.1315 Sun. 23.—James W. Hunt, Wm. Behunin and Edward Edwards, of the Elk Mountain mission, were killed by Indians, [p.1316] who also wounded Pres. Alfred N. Billings, besides burning hay and stealing cattle. The following day the colonists left their fort and started for Manti, where they arrived Sept. 30th. Our Pioneer Heritage, Vol. 13, p.3 Sun. 28.—The 76th quorum of Seventy was organized in Weber County, with Win. F. Critchlow, David H. Peery, Jeppe[p.4] G. Folkman, Wm. Halls, James Barker, Enoch Farr and Edward Edwards as presidents. B. H. Roberts, Comprehensive History of the Church, Vol.4, Ch.94, p.3 4. See History of Brigham Young, Ms., 1855, entries for July 17, pp.79, 83; and Sept. 23rd and 24th, p. 92. The names of the persons killed were James Wiseman Hunt, Orson F. Whitney, History of Utah, Vol. 1, p.551 To add to the troubles of the people two Indian outbreaks occurred about this time, during which ten or twelve citizens lost their lives. [p.552] The first emeute was in eastern Utah, at the Elk Mountain Mission, recently rounded on Grand River. In the latter part of September, 1855, the Yampah Utes in that locality attacked the settlers, killing James W. Hunt, William Behunin, and Edward Edwards, and wounding A. N. Billings, the president of the mission; besides burning property and stealing stock. Soon afterward the colonists vacated their fort and returned to their former homes in Sanpete Valley. Andrew Jenson, Encyclopedic History of the Church…, p.220 On Sunday, Sept. 23, 1855, the Indians attacked the little settlement and killed James W. Hunt, William J. Behunin and Edward Edwards; Pres. Alfred N. Billings and others of the brethren were wounded. The Indians stole cattle and burned the hay which belonged to the settlement. The following day the colonists left their fort and started for Manti, where they arrived Sept. 30, 1855, after suffering severe hardships on the way. Thus ended the Elk Mountain Mission. (A detailed history of the Elk Mountain Mission is on file in the Historian’s Office in Salt Lake City.) Pioneers and Prominent Men of Utah, p.855 EDWARDS, WILLIAM (son of John Edwards and Margaret Roberts). Born Oct. 22, 1857, Brigham City, Utah. Married Mary Ann Lewis Dec. 16, 1880, Salt Lake City (daughter of Enoch Lewis and Emma Farrell of Wales). Their children: Annie R., m. Geo. W. Flamm; W. Lewis; Mac; McLairon; Oliver Wendell; Don C. Member Logan city board of education 1893-94; chairman Cache county commissioners 1901-02; mayor of Logan 1908-09. Guide to Archives and Manuscripts Collections In Selected Utah Repositories Clark, Margaret Edwards. History of John Edwards and family. 3 pp. : photocopy of typescript. Location: Utah State University Special Collections, Logan, Utah, 84322 1. Utah--Emmigration and immigration--1853. 2. Brigham City (Utah)-- Colonization. 3. Edwards, John, 1817-1886. 4. Biographies. File MS 652 ID: UTSW89-A3451 Jack <jackchandler@worldnet.att.net>

Could someone please tell me about the church archives. A lot of my Great grandfather's papers were donated there years ago. Would I be able to access these? Where are the archives? What hours? What's available? etc. etc. I hope to get down there again this summer. I spent a full hour at the FHL last month while my daughter-in-law walked around temple square, then we got back in the car and continued toward home (Seattle.) Thanks for your help, Cindy Alldredge

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Genealogy Poem by unknown I started out calmly, tracing my tree, To find if I could the makings of me. And all that I had was Great-grandfather's name, Not knowing his wife's nor from whence they both came. I chased him across a long line of states, And came up with pages and pages of dates. When all put together, it made me forlorn, Proved poor Great-grandpa had never been born. One day I was sure the truth I had found, Determined to turn this whole thing upside down. I looked up the record of one Uncle John, Then found the old man was younger than his son. But then when my hopes were growing quite dim, I came across records that must have been him. The facts I collected - they made me quite sad, Dear old Great-grandfather was never a Dad. I think someone surely is pulling my leg, I'm not at all sure I'm not hatched from an egg. After hundreds of dollars I've spent on my tree, I can't help but wonder if I'm really me.

Thank you everyone for all the information and assistance. It has been of great help. Pat Holling -- http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/4070/index.html Aldrich, Berry, Blackmer, Bowen, Bradshaw, Bruce, Earle, Ellis, Fish, Frisby, Gaffield, Holling, Jung, Knapp, Lallis, Laackman, Nash, Nuttal, Thomas, Towner, Webb, West, Wilkins, Wright

Even better, if you (or a friend/relative) is in the SL area, you can go to the archives and use the computer index to get the citation for patriarchal blessings. I think you can get a copy of the blessing the same day if you wait. The computer is just outside the elevator on the second floor in the church historical dept. (archives). The forms have spaces for four requests per page (as I remember). I was at the archives waiting on some films to be sent up, and sat down at the computer to kill time. Just searching by surname, I found that my great-great-grandfather, Isaac C. Morris, had received a blessing in 1853, shortly after his arrival in the valley. I wouldn't have thought to look for his; I was looking for his son, Isaac Morris, who went on a mission to Wales about 1900. I found my great-great-grandmother, Sarah (Henderson) (Morris) Heiner, under Sarah Heiner. She had married a Heiner after Isaac C. died, and got her blessing about 1892. Technically, you are restricted to direct ancestors and direct descendants in requesting copies of patriarchal blessings. I don't know how flexible they are for long-deceased relatives like great-granduncles who died without having children. ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: [HANDCART-L] Dixie Company Author: shippey1@juno.com (p shippey) Date: 6/9/98 4:58 PM Last time I ordered Patriarchal Blessings, it took 6 months to receive them so have patience. Peggy

I am looking for a Edward Edwards who came to America in 1849 from Wales. He and his wife Elizabeth Thomas and their 4 children, Edward, John, Mary, and Ann, joined the LDS church in 1848 in Wales and then in 1849 came to America. Could someone that has the above mentioned LDS emigrant roster on CD look this up for me? John Edwards Las Vegas, NV

Last time I ordered Patriarchal Blessings, it took 6 months to receive them so have patience. Peggy On Tue, 09 Jun 1998 13:47:11 -0700 Pat Holling <pholling@worldaccessnet.com> writes: >Film # 1033790 LDS Individual Histories Utah >I find item 3 page 99 >Hannah (Webb) Toone Residence: Croydon Utah >Emigrated from England. Crossed plains on Ox Team in Dixie Train >left father and mother in England Endured hardships of pioneer life >in >setteling Croydon. A constant worker in Relief Society and now >presider >over the same in the Croydon Ward. Rebaptised by Solomon Edwards 26 9 >1875 confirmed by George Knight 26 9 1875 > >I have a couple questions - Where might I find information about the >Dixie Company >and I wonder about the rebaptised notation. This same document stated >she had been >baptised by Mark Lindsley 1863 and confirmed by Bro. Mawley 1853 . >This >would have been in England before she emigrated at the age of 19 on >the >Amazon ship which departed from London 4 June 1863 and arrived New >Orleans 18 July 1863. Was rebaptism a common practice? Also it >states >that she had a Patriarchal Blessing by >John Smith - no date given. How would I obtain a copy of this? > >Pat Holling > > >-- >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/4070/index.html > >Aldrich, Berry, Blackmer, Bowen, Bradshaw, Bruce, Earle, Ellis, >Fish, >Frisby, Gaffield, >Holling, Jung, Knapp, Lallis, Laackman, Nash, Nuttal, Thomas, Towner, >Webb, West, Wilkins, Wright > > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Pat, The last time I sent off for Patriarchal Blessings was about 3 years ago. I didn't need a pedigree chart, just needed to state the relationship on the order form itself. One major word of caution or PATIENCE..... My grandmother's name was ROSAILIA JEPPESEN. Not too hard, right? I knew she had been given a patriarchal blessing, but just couldn't find the card on the microfilm that stated when, where and by whom so that I could order a copy. I just kept searching through the film. One of the very, very last entries to anything that resembled JEPPESEN was this BASILLA JEPSON. AHA!! So, I knew this was grandmother since it listed her mother and father. My patience paid. You can order up to about 10 different ancestors on one form. Makes it easier for you. Also, the workers in the Historical department are not young, so Patience is again a virtue ;) Terri At 01:47 PM 6/9/98 -0700, Pat Holling wrote: >Film # 1033790 LDS Individual Histories Utah >I find item 3 page 99 >Hannah (Webb) Toone Residence: Croydon Utah >Emigrated from England. Crossed plains on Ox Team in Dixie Train >left father and mother in England Endured hardships of pioneer life in >setteling Croydon. A constant worker in Relief Society and now presider >over the same in the Croydon Ward. Rebaptised by Solomon Edwards 26 9 >1875 confirmed by George Knight 26 9 1875 > >I have a couple questions - Where might I find information about the >Dixie Company >and I wonder about the rebaptised notation. This same document stated >she had been >baptised by Mark Lindsley 1863 and confirmed by Bro. Mawley 1853 . This >would have been in England before she emigrated at the age of 19 on the >Amazon ship which departed from London 4 June 1863 and arrived New >Orleans 18 July 1863. Was rebaptism a common practice? Also it states >that she had a Patriarchal Blessing by >John Smith - no date given. How would I obtain a copy of this? > >Pat Holling > > >-- >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/4070/index.html > >Aldrich, Berry, Blackmer, Bowen, Bradshaw, Bruce, Earle, Ellis, Fish, >Frisby, Gaffield, >Holling, Jung, Knapp, Lallis, Laackman, Nash, Nuttal, Thomas, Towner, >Webb, West, Wilkins, Wright > > >

Pat Holling wrote: Pat, As far as the [atriarchal blessing goes, there is an alphabetical patriarchal blessing card index on film as part of the FHL collection. Locate the card(s) for your ancestor and obtain the volumn and page number for your ancestor. Order from the Historical Dept at $3.00 each. We have a form at BYU for this. You must send a pedigree chart as I recall. They will only get you copies of direct line ancestors if memory serves. Laurie > Film # 1033790 LDS Individual Histories Utah > I find item 3 page 99 > Hannah (Webb) Toone Residence: Croydon Utah > Emigrated from England. Crossed plains on Ox Team in Dixie > Train > left father and mother in England Endured hardships of pioneer > life in > setteling Croydon. A constant worker in Relief Society and now > presider > over the same in the Croydon Ward. Rebaptised by Solomon > Edwards 26 9 > 1875 confirmed by George Knight 26 9 1875 > > I have a couple questions - Where might I find information > about the > Dixie Company > and I wonder about the rebaptised notation. This same document > stated > she had been > baptised by Mark Lindsley 1863 and confirmed by Bro. Mawley > 1853 . This > would have been in England before she emigrated at the age of > 19 on the > Amazon ship which departed from London 4 June 1863 and arrived > New > Orleans 18 July 1863. Was rebaptism a common practice? Also > it states > that she had a Patriarchal Blessing by > John Smith - no date given. How would I obtain a copy of > this? > > Pat Holling > > -- > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/4070/index.html > > Aldrich, Berry, Blackmer, Bowen, Bradshaw, Bruce, Earle, > Ellis, Fish, > Frisby, Gaffield, > Holling, Jung, Knapp, Lallis, Laackman, Nash, Nuttal, Thomas, > Towner, > Webb, West, Wilkins, Wright

Opps sorry - I had a typo in my posting - her baptism dates should read - baptised by Mark Lindsley 1853 and confirmed by Bro. Mawley 1853 Pat http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/4070/index.html Aldrich, Berry, Blackmer, Bowen, Bradshaw, Bruce, Earle, Ellis, Fish, Frisby, Gaffield, Holling, Jung, Knapp, Lallis, Laackman, Nash, Nuttal, Thomas, Towner, Webb, West, Wilkins, Wright

Film # 1033790 LDS Individual Histories Utah I find item 3 page 99 Hannah (Webb) Toone Residence: Croydon Utah Emigrated from England. Crossed plains on Ox Team in Dixie Train left father and mother in England Endured hardships of pioneer life in setteling Croydon. A constant worker in Relief Society and now presider over the same in the Croydon Ward. Rebaptised by Solomon Edwards 26 9 1875 confirmed by George Knight 26 9 1875 I have a couple questions - Where might I find information about the Dixie Company and I wonder about the rebaptised notation. This same document stated she had been baptised by Mark Lindsley 1863 and confirmed by Bro. Mawley 1853 . This would have been in England before she emigrated at the age of 19 on the Amazon ship which departed from London 4 June 1863 and arrived New Orleans 18 July 1863. Was rebaptism a common practice? Also it states that she had a Patriarchal Blessing by John Smith - no date given. How would I obtain a copy of this? Pat Holling -- http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/4070/index.html Aldrich, Berry, Blackmer, Bowen, Bradshaw, Bruce, Earle, Ellis, Fish, Frisby, Gaffield, Holling, Jung, Knapp, Lallis, Laackman, Nash, Nuttal, Thomas, Towner, Webb, West, Wilkins, Wright

Denise hi read your post and boy was i surprised your in my ward. I think i can get some old pictures of provo canyon especially of the old wooden bridge when they where building it. My gggrandfather helped in building it. He was a Vincent from Provo. Some of my family is from Provo. The Vincents, Penrods. What time peorid are we talking about for the Provo Second ward because my family the Vincents wnet to that ward and i need to find out some information from there. I just live around the block from you. I would be very interested in talking to you if you wouldnt mind. The pictures are in my grandmothers posessin and i would have to talk to her to see if she would let me talk them for a while or at least have her copy them for me. Jackie Carter around the block Jerry & Laurie E. Castillo wrote: > Denise L. Cold wrote: > > > Dear Laurie, > > My name is Denise Cold. Until August, I will be the > > president of > > the Andrew Hunter Scott Genealogical Association a genealogy > > group > > founded about the same time as yours dedicated to the genealogy > > of our > > common ancestor Andrew Hunter Scott. This year we are > > completing the > > biography of Andrew H. Scott and and are very excited because > > we have > > found an experience writer and have a benefactor who has given > > us a > > budget to do it properly. > > The reason I am writing you is I came upon your > > article/editorial > > about your group and its need for space. Although I don't have > > a meeting > > house for you I thought that you may be a help to us. We are > > in need of > > pictures of early Provo and some of the people of the time that > > Andrew > > would have had contact with. We also need pictures of work > > done on the > > Provo canyon. We have found some pictures like the tabernacle > > meeting > > house and the woolen mills that are more readily available but > > are > > looking for maybe some more obscure ones. Andrew was the > > bishop of 2nd > > ward and a mayor and involved in many civic organizations like > > many were > > during the development of Provo. If you can help, I can get > > you a more > > detailed list of pictures we need and maybe you can ask your > > group for > > help. > > I noticed in your article that you have a meeting the > > second > > friday of the month. If you are having one this month I would > > like to > > know and maybe I could attend and ask your members directly. > > Any thing you could offer would help. Thank you. > > Denise Cold > > dcold@juno. com or 229-2599 > > 487 Chokecherry Circle > > Orem, Utah 84058 > > PS Any relation to Janice that teaches at Orem Elementary. > > Taylor my > > son just had her as a first grade teacher. > > > > Denise, > > Will forward your message to members of my group. > We will have our June meeting on the 12th at 7:00 pm at the Lee > Library on the BYU campus - 4th floor by the family history > area. You could make an announcement then. I will also forward > your message to an LDS roots list I am on. [Anyone responding > please send it right to Denise. Thanks.] > > No relation to Janice, although I have had people call here and > try to make a parent teacher conference with her. > > Laurie 224-5327 > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > > > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet > > e-mail. > > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]