Very interesting--I wonder if the pioneers recognized that this tea--if it did come from Ephedra--is a stimulant. Perhaps the pick-me-up theyy may have gotten from it would have been more of a reason to drink it than just for the taste. It would make sense also, if they were trying to give up their [caffeine] tea, to find a substitute that maybe unknowingly relieved the caffeine craving. All conjecture and speculation, of course! I would love it if anyone could find other sources or references to this Ephedra plant use. Tschuss! (I presume Diane must be German/Swiss--how do get umlauts on your keyboard?) Robert ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: "diane epperson" <editorz@inreach.com> Subject: [HANDCART-L] Mormon tea Date: 06/17/98 04:07pm Here in the desert, we have a local plant called, variously, Mormon, Mexican, Squaw, or Desert Tea. It is a species of *Ephedra* and quite beautiful. The natives and early settlers brewed it as a drink by steeping the stems in boiling water. It also was used as a tonic for kidney ailments, to purify the blood, and for colds, stomach disorders, and ulcers. I presume the appellation "Mormon" tea was added to the list of names when the Mormon Batallion came through here in 1846-47 to blaze a wagon road to California from Council Bluffs. I live quite near the trail, now known as the Southern Emigrant Trail, and this plant is abundantly available. One day I decided to try it, so I picked a bunch of stalks and took it home to make sun tea. For additional flavoring, I added some bright red ocotillo blossoms. It was pretty bland but had a refreshing taste--especially useful, I should think, to improve the taste of plain water that is less than desirable. Tschüss __________________________________________________________ Diane Epperson --from sunny Ocotillo in the flaming Yuha Desert of Southern California editorz@inreach.com "Eala Fria Fresena!" -- "Lever Dod As Slaav!" Researching . . . FLESNER, EBER, BUSS, ELLERMEIER of Illinois aus Deutschland LEWIS, COLEMAN, HART of New Jersey ANDERSEN, EDMISTON, SNOW of Utah . . . und mein rottweiler WORF (Canis klingon)

Here in the desert, we have a local plant called, variously, Mormon, Mexican, Squaw, or Desert Tea. It is a species of *Ephedra* and quite beautiful. The natives and early settlers brewed it as a drink by steeping the stems in boiling water. It also was used as a tonic for kidney ailments, to purify the blood, and for colds, stomach disorders, and ulcers. I presume the appellation "Mormon" tea was added to the list of names when the Mormon Batallion came through here in 1846-47 to blaze a wagon road to California from Council Bluffs. I live quite near the trail, now known as the Southern Emigrant Trail, and this plant is abundantly available. One day I decided to try it, so I picked a bunch of stalks and took it home to make sun tea. For additional flavoring, I added some bright red ocotillo blossoms. It was pretty bland but had a refreshing taste--especially useful, I should think, to improve the taste of plain water that is less than desirable. Tschüss __________________________________________________________ Diane Epperson --from sunny Ocotillo in the flaming Yuha Desert of Southern California editorz@inreach.com "Eala Fria Fresena!" -- "Lever Dod As Slaav!" Researching . . . FLESNER, EBER, BUSS, ELLERMEIER of Illinois aus Deutschland LEWIS, COLEMAN, HART of New Jersey ANDERSEN, EDMISTON, SNOW of Utah . . . und mein rottweiler WORF (Canis klingon)

Yes, but many of the emigrants still enjoyed coffee and tea on the journey, and these were part of the provisions purchased by the church emigration agent. If you ever go to the DUP museum in SLC, you'll see a case of teapots lovingly carried across the sea and plains by British Saints. Brigham Young was always preaching against the use of coffee, tea, and tobacco by the Saints, especially because of the cash drain. (Most trade was conducted by barter, but imported goods had to be bought with cash). When the "Mormon War" started in 1857, there was a run on the stores for coffee and tea, since they expected outside trade to be cut off. (I did a term paper on the Word of Wisdom in pioneer days for a graduate class in US religious history.) There wasn't a serious effort to clamp down on the use of WW items until the late 1860s, when they knew that lots of non-Mormons would come in with the completion of the railroad. Starting with BY's family, women organized "Retrenchment Societies," pledging to abstain from coffee, tea and fancy clothes (also imported). Adherence to the Word of Wisdom wasn't a requirement for temple attendance until about 1920. >From my narrative of the 9th HC company, here's some information on provisions for 1859-1860. George Quayle Cannon (who became an Apostle of the Church immediately after his arrival in SLC in mid-August 1860) was in charge of emigration for those years. The Millennial Star was a church newspaper published in England. It is on microfilm available from the FHL. There is lots of information on ship departures/ arrivals and arrival of emigrant companies in SLC. Cannon's recommendations for provisions appeared in the Millennial Star of January 21, 1860 (22:41). "For every soul over four years I should reckon full rations; that would be 100 lbs. of flour, 40 lbs. of bacon or other meat, and other articles such as coffee, tea, rice, sugar, dried fruit, &c. as they may think proper. One hundred pounds of flour is not sufficient to last a person throughout; but I think by the time that is consumed, they can be met with fresh supplies from the Valley." Cannon reported on prices he had paid in 1859, somewhat higher than in the previous year due to the Pike's Peak gold rush: oxen, $80 per yoke; cows, $25; wagons, $96, tents $12; flour, $4.25 per 100 lbs; bacon, 12.5 cents per lb; biscuits, 8 cents per lb; sugar, 10 cents per lb; rice, 8 cents per lb; coffee, 13 cents per lb; dried apples, 12.5 cents per lb; soap, 5 cents per lb; axes, $1.50 each; spades $1.25 each; shovels, $1.25 each; stoves $20-25 each. The poor saints (i.e., those traveling with handcart companies) were urged to dispense with "spades, shovels, stoves, dried fruit &c." There are several excellent general books on Utah in the 19th century by Leonard Arrington that I'd recommend. "Great Basin Kingdom" Univ. of Utah Press "Building the City of God" Univ. of Illinois Press "The Mormon Experience" (through 20th century) These are in paperback, and you can probably get them through Deseret Books. The bookstores sometimes have them; also larger libraries. The first two, especially, explain how and why the Saints were able to "make the desert bloom like a rose." When we think of people crossing the plains, we think of them as "rugged individualists." But the Saints, for the most part, put building communities above individual goals. It took a lot of cooperation to cross the plains, in addition to courage. Their farms were not scattered miles apart, far from neighbors. They built their homes in laid-out towns, with their farms on the perimeter, as much for socializing as for protection. They built irrigation ditches and other public works projects together. Sorry if I've rambled, but I find the lives of our ancestors after they arrived in the Great Salt Lake Valley as interesting as the journey to get there. You could probably make a lot of comparisons to modern-day Israel. They, too, are building their Zion in the desert.

I know some of the list members are not LDS, but there are many excellent articles on the trek published in the Ensign magazine and weekly Church News, especially in 1997. The July Ensign just arrived in my mail, with an article on figuring the number of Saints who died in trying to reach Zion, both on ships and on the overland journey. The names of about 2,000 known to have died on the overland trip are inscribed on the memorial gazebo in Nauvoo, which was dedicated last year. I presume everyone knows about the Heritage Gateways web site? During last year's re-enactment trek, daily journal entries were posted. There are a lot of pioneer narratives, listed by year. The web address (no mistake, there is no www in the address) is: http://heritage.uen.org

Found some information on the Heritage Gateway web site, under "1848-1868 companies", "ships and emigration 1853-57." Capt. Hans Peter Olsen Left Kansas City, MO on June 15, 1854 Arrive GSL October 5, 1854 550 people This seems like an unusually long journey. ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: [HANDCART-L] Ox team party Author: taz taz <tazzy@enol.com> Date: 6/16/98 9:06 PM hi list I have heard of the handcart and the wagon trains but does any one know about the ox team party. the captain was captian Olsen and they traveled in1854 and settled in the sanpete valley in 1854. First in Manti and then in Ephriam. thanks for any information. Jackie Carter Received: from valhalla.tmac.com (192.206.250.2) by ccmail.tmac.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 0000C168; Tue, 16 Jun 98 22:56:57 -0400 Received: from fp-1.rootsweb.com (fp-1.rootsweb.com [207.113.233.233]) by valhalla.tmac.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA15645 for <Durfee_Lynda@tmac.com>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:04:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by fp-1.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA23444; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <358732B8.B05FCD24@enol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 21:06:32 -0600 From: taz taz <tazzy@enol.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: "HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com" <HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [HANDCART-L] Ox team party Resent-Message-ID: <"2ov-6B.A.9sF.zFzh1"@fp-1.rootsweb.com> To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/780 X-Loop: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: HANDCART-L-request@rootsweb.com

Terri don't worry about rambling i do it to nice to know that im not the only one. So far the onlly ones that i know is the capt olsen and my family Rasmus Nielsen, Dorthea his wife and Niels, Hanne, Hans, Mads who are the children they had another child but she died on the trip over on board ship. her name was Maren Kirstine. these are my 3rd great grand parents and their children and their son Hans is my 2nd great grand father. Thanks Jackie Eldon & Terri Jensen wrote: > Jackie, > > It was quite common for travellers to use ox-teams. What is interesting is > that the people could walk faster on foot than the ox-teams pulling the > wagons. This is part of the reason the Willie and Martin Handcart > companies got into such trouble. There were ox-teams assigned to travel > with both these Handcart companies. However, the people KNEW winter was > upon them and travelled as quickly as they could and very rapidly outpaced > the wagons. > > Anyway, sorry to ramble ;) > > Could you give us some names of the travellers in the ox-team? > > Terri > > At 09:06 PM 6/16/98 -0600, taz taz wrote: > >hi list > > > >I have heard of the handcart and the wagon trains but does any one know > >about the ox team party. the captain was captian Olsen and they > >traveled in1854 and settled in the sanpete valley in 1854. First in > >Manti and then in Ephriam. thanks for any information. > > > >Jackie Carter > > > >

Actually, most of the wagon companies used ox teams instead of horse teams. The oxen were easier to feed, and tasted a lot better if you had to kill one to eat (or because it went lame). One of Brigham Young's reasons in favor of handcarts was that it took three weeks to train inexperienced people (European Saints) to manage ox teams; time in which the people still had to be fed and delaying their start across the plains. If you check Melvin Bashore's list of companies and journal sources by year (1854) and name of captain (Olsen), you should find it. This list is on microfilm at the FHL. You would find it by doing a locality search for state of Utah, then scrolling through the topic list to find Emigration. There is one list for crossing the plains and another for crossing the ocean. You could call the Church Historical Dept. in SLC; Mr. Bashore updates this database on a computer now. ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: [HANDCART-L] Ox team party Author: taz taz <tazzy@enol.com> Date: 6/16/98 9:06 PM hi list I have heard of the handcart and the wagon trains but does any one know about the ox team party. the captain was captian Olsen and they traveled in1854 and settled in the sanpete valley in 1854. First in Manti and then in Ephriam. thanks for any information. Jackie Carter Received: from valhalla.tmac.com (192.206.250.2) by ccmail.tmac.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 0000C168; Tue, 16 Jun 98 22:56:57 -0400 Received: from fp-1.rootsweb.com (fp-1.rootsweb.com [207.113.233.233]) by valhalla.tmac.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA15645 for <Durfee_Lynda@tmac.com>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:04:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by fp-1.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA23444; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <358732B8.B05FCD24@enol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 21:06:32 -0600 From: taz taz <tazzy@enol.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: "HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com" <HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [HANDCART-L] Ox team party Resent-Message-ID: <"2ov-6B.A.9sF.zFzh1"@fp-1.rootsweb.com> To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/780 X-Loop: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: HANDCART-L-request@rootsweb.com

Our favorite pioneer beverage, now don't overrun the super-markets with requests for the makings For the want of a coke. Beverages When the word of wisdom directed the pioneers to give up their cherished tea and coffee, they found several comforting substitutes-a cup of hot water with cream or milk and a little sugar or honey added. They called it Mormon Tea. Sage Tea: Made by brewing the leaves of garden sage and seasoning with cream and sugar. Many mothers used catnip; the weed grew everywhere to make tea for supper or breakfast as well as to give to babies when they had colic. Barley Coffee: Barley was browned in the oven, then ground to make a delicious coffee. Mormon Postum: Parch seed peas; be careful not to burn; grind to a powder. Steep one heaping teaspoon to each cup of water. Serve with sugar and cream. Brigham Tea: Mountain Rush, from which a tea, commonly known as Brigham Tea or Mormon Valley Tea, was widely used by the pioneers. It was steeped like tea and taken with or without milk and sugar according to taste. The following recipes were extensively used by the pioneers to provide nourishment for their loved ones during and after an illness: Currant Water: Stir a tablespoonful of currant jelly into a glass of water. Sweeten slightly, if desired. When currant juice is obtainable, use three tablespoons of the juice and enough water to dilute to the desired acidity. Acid drinks are most refreshing in fever. Rice Water: Wash four tablespoons of rice, add to it three cups of cold water, place it on the fire, and cook for half an hour. Season with salt, strain and serve. Barley Water: Wash five tablespoons of pearl barley, add four cups of cold water; place it on the fire, and boil slowly for two hours. Strain, and when cold, season with a little salt, or, if not hurtful, a little lemon and sugar. Toast Water: Toast two or three slices of stale bread until brown all through, but not at all scorched. Break the toast in small pieces, and put a cupful of it into a pitcher, using only the toast which is thoroughly brown. Pour on the toast three cups of boiling water, let this stand for ten minutes, strain, and serve when cold. Hot Lemonade: This should only be taken before retiring; it is excellent for colds, but care should be taken to avoid all exposure on the following day. Use one lemon, 3/4 cups boiling water, sugar to [p.163] taste. Squeeze lemon juice into the water and add the sugar. Serve hot. Egg Nog: One egg; milk; one tablespoonful brandy, rum, or wine; one tablespoonful sugar. Beat the white of the egg stiff; stir the sugar into it. Add the yolk of the egg, beat well and stir in the liquor. Place the mixture in a tumbler and gradually add enough milk to fill the glass, stirring all the time. Add a slight grating of nutmeg, and serve. Wines or liquors should never be given to a patient without the advice of the physician, as in fevers they are positively harmful. Cases of sudden prostration are an exception; a spoonful of liquor often quickly relieving the distress. Spanish Gingerette: To each gallon of water put 1 lb. of white sugar; 1/2 oz. best ginger root; 1/4 oz. cream of tartar and 2 lemons sliced. In making 5 gals. boil the ginger and lemons 10 minutes in 2 gals. of the water; the sugar and cream of tartar to be dissolved in the cold water, and mix all, and add 1/2 pint of good yeast; let it ferment overnight, strain and bottle in the morning. This is a valuable recipe for a cooling and refreshing beverage; compounded of ingredients highly calculated to assist the stomach, and is recommended to persons suffering with dyspepsia or sick headache. Grandma Tucker's Beef-Tea: In families where little time is given to preparing invalid dishes, the extract of beef is much to be preferred in the making of beef. In this way the tea can be made as strong or weak as may be desired, and may be got ready quickly, hot water and a little salt (generally half a teaspoonful to a cupful of water) being all that is necessary besides the extract. A physician of large practice has said that beef made in this way is much better than three of that prepared direct from the beef, and that only with exceptionally good nurses would he allow any other kind to be administered to his patients. In making tea from the beef, have the meat cut from the round and chopped very fine by the butcher. To a pound of meat allow a pint of cold water. Put the water on the meat in a covered saucepan, and let the latter stand for an hour on the back of the stove in a very moderate heat, stirring frequently, then place it on a stronger heat, letting the liquid ! heat up very slowly, and simmer for an hour longer. Add salt to taste, strain and set away to cool. When cold remove every particle of fat from the top and heat up only the quantity needed for immediate use. When the tea is required in a hurry, the grease may be taken off by laying a white paper on top of the warm liquid. Mutton Broth: Take a pound of the scraggy part of the neck of mutton, cut off all the fat, and cut the lean into small cubes. Add to the meat four tablespoons of pearl barley, and three pints of cold water. Heat slowly to the boiling point, skim carefully, and set the broth back where it will simmer. Place the bones in a pint of cold water, and boil them gently for half an hour; then strain the liquor into the broth and cook the latter two hours longer. Season well [p.164] with salt. The barley may be omitted if not cared for, but it adds much to the nutritiousness of the broth. Panada: Sprinkle a teaspoonful of salt between two large Boston soda or graham crackers or hard pilot biscuits. Place the crackers in a bowl, and pour on just enough boiling water to soak them well. Set the bowl in a vessel of boiling water and let it remain twenty or thirty minutes, until the crackers are quite clear, but not at all broken; then lift them out carefully without breaking, and lay them on a hot saucer. Serve hot with sugar and cream. Oatmeal Gruel: Sick persons almost invariably have a natural antipathy against all sick dishes and this repugnance is perhaps most decided against gruels of all kinds. When gruels are served to an invalid, they should be carefully selected, with the nature of the complaint in view. When much oatmeal gruel is to be required, it will prove an economy of time to cook the oatmeal into mush, making sure that it is very thoroughly done. Place it in a bowl, and cover tightly. When gruel is needed, place some of the mush in a frying pan, add milk sufficient to thin it to the desired consistency, and boil slowly for five minutes stirring all the time. Add salt and serve. Oatmeal Gruel No. 2: One quart of boiling water, one tablespoonful of raw oatmeal. One half of salt. Place the water in a frying pan, add the oatmeal and cook for two hours over a slow heat. Season with the salt, and strain or not, as the physician may direct. To serve, fill a cup 2/3 full with the hot gruel and fill the balance with cream or milk, stirring both well together before taking to the patient. Milk Toast: Cut the bread in thin slices, pare off the crust and toast carefully until of a golden hue. Butter it lightly while hot. Have ready a teacupful of milk that has been slightly thickened with a teaspoonful of flour and salted to taste; pour this hot over the toast, and serve at once. Sops: The following recipe was sent in by Johanna N. Lindholm. It was used especially for feeding babies. Break up dried bread into a cup, pour scalding water over, then drain off all excess water, add sugar and cream to the bread and serve while warm.

Jackie, It was quite common for travellers to use ox-teams. What is interesting is that the people could walk faster on foot than the ox-teams pulling the wagons. This is part of the reason the Willie and Martin Handcart companies got into such trouble. There were ox-teams assigned to travel with both these Handcart companies. However, the people KNEW winter was upon them and travelled as quickly as they could and very rapidly outpaced the wagons. Anyway, sorry to ramble ;) Could you give us some names of the travellers in the ox-team? Terri At 09:06 PM 6/16/98 -0600, taz taz wrote: >hi list > >I have heard of the handcart and the wagon trains but does any one know >about the ox team party. the captain was captian Olsen and they >traveled in1854 and settled in the sanpete valley in 1854. First in >Manti and then in Ephriam. thanks for any information. > >Jackie Carter > >

hi list I have heard of the handcart and the wagon trains but does any one know about the ox team party. the captain was captian Olsen and they traveled in1854 and settled in the sanpete valley in 1854. First in Manti and then in Ephriam. thanks for any information. Jackie Carter

Hi I was looking at the hand cart roster that i had found my family in. I found it in two places and they all agree but my family history sheet says there was another child and i couldnt figure out why he was left off the list, till i read this post. he was 19 at the time his parents and his siblings came to Utah. If he did come earlier or later how do i find out when he came. If i hadnt seen this post i always would have wondered why he wasnt on the list. But this is a possibllity now that i can look at. They were in the third company with Capt. Edward Bunker. Names and dates are the same but just one child missing. But he did come to Utah cause he was married and died in Utah. His name is Henry Davis Rees His fathers name was Thomas John Rees and his mothers name was Margaret Davies and he has 10 other siblings according to my family sheet He was the oldest of the 11. He was born May 24, 1818 in Merthyr-Tydfil Wales and he was married in Spanish Fork Utah to Margaret John on March 29, 1859 and died in Wales ,Sanpete Utah. If any one can help me it would be appreciated. Jackie Carter Tazzy@enol.com Durfee_Lynda@tmac.com wrote: > Since more people are joining the list every day, I thought I'd post a message > on the "Utah Immigration Card Index, 1847-1868," also known as "Crossing the > Plains Index, 1847-1868." This is an index of families and individuals who > crossed the plains to Utah in the years indicated. Except for the handcart > companies, these names are NOT on the "LDS EMIGRANT ROSTER & VOYAGE HISTORY > 1840-1869" CD-ROM. > They can be ordered for viewing at local Family History Centers. Many of the > large FHCs have them as part of their permanent collection, along with the > "Crossing the Ocean Index" and LDS Ship Registers. FHCs next to temples are the > ones most likely to have these films on hand. Otherwise, there is a $3.50 > postage/handling view to order each film for viewing at your local FHC. > > The index is "incomplete" because there aren't complete rosters for all > wagon/handcart companies. Considering that about 48,000 men, women and children > emigrated to Utah 1847-1868, I'd say the index was pretty darn good. If your > ancestor had immigrated to California or Oregon, you'd have much less of a > chance of finding such information. One of our list members indicated an aunt > was a church history missionary in SLC working on pioneer emigration lists, so > the work goes on. > > P.S. If you found your ancestor on a ship register, you might find the ancestor > didn't go to Utah right away, but stayed in the Northeast or St. Louis, Missouri > for a year or two to earn enough money to continue west. Often, different > members of a family went west at different times. A son or daughter in his/her > late teens or early 20s might be sent ahead, with the parents following the next > year. I found several cases of this practice among the 9th Handcart company > families. So don't be put off if you find several cards for a family with > different years of emigration. > > The citation from the Family History Library Catalog is below: > > FORMAT: 3 microfilm reels > > NOTES: Microfilm of original card index at the Church Historian's Office. > > CONTENTS: Alphabetical index of names of many LDS immigrants to Utah. Contains > ages of immigrants, name of pioneer company, dae of arrival in Salt Lake City, > sometimes name of ship on which the immigrant crossd the ocean, date of > departure from a foreign port; and sources of information. Indexed by head of > the family. Index incomplete. > > A--Ek 0298440 > El-Mo 0298441 > MU-Z 0298442 > > Happy hunting!

Hi Marie, I am not sure if this is the one you refer to, or not. There have been several excellent sites put here. I will go back and find somemore that have been posted (unless someone beats me to it ;) Terri http://lds.org/Pioneer/Pioneer_Trail/00_Trail_Main.html That's the address for the official LDS website where the LDS Pioneer Story is "told in their own words" I was raised LDS, went my own way, most of my family is quite active in the church. I'm of the opinion that any researcher of this geographical area and this time period (Handcart) should make this must reading. Wayne

At 04:44 PM 6/16/98 -0400, Durfee_Lynda@tmac.com wrote: >Since more people are joining the list every day, I thought I'd post a message >on the "Utah Immigration Card Index, 1847-1868," also known as "Crossing the >Plains Index, 1847-1868." This is an index of families and individuals who >crossed the plains to Utah in the years indicated. Except for the handcart >companies, these names are NOT on the "LDS EMIGRANT ROSTER & VOYAGE HISTORY >1840-1869" CD-ROM. >They can be ordered for viewing at local Family History Centers. Many of the >large FHCs have them as part of their permanent collection, along with the >"Crossing the Ocean Index" and LDS Ship Registers. Imagine my disappointment when viewing the microfilm of the rosters for the ship Brooklyn that my Emma Bravandt was supposed to be on and the page where she was supposed to have signed was BLACK! Ahhhh! I called up my cousin who lives in Salt Lake and she was able to view a good film and copied both the page my Emma was on and the front page of the Captain's log with his signature and the date, time and exact place that the Brooklyn docked in New York. What a wonderful way to see her handwriting and know that she really was just a single young woman who came all by herself from Denmark to join the church. She survived the hardships of the Willie Handcart Company, thankfully, or I wouldn't quite be 'me' today ;) Terri

This message was from Kristin just a little while ago. I don't know if there are still copies left to purchase, but it is certainly worth a try. In fact, any WalMart might have copies. Terri While visiting Salt Lake City this weekend, I found 12 copies of the Family History Suite!! I, of course, bought one so now there are 11 left. They are located at Wal-Mart in Taylorsville on 5400 South and Redwood Road in the Electronics department. They are on an endcap with a bunch of clearance software back by the TVs. They are $59.97 each. Hope any of you that want one, can drop in and pick yours up! Kristin Phoenix, Arizona ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Since more people are joining the list every day, I thought I'd post a message on the "Utah Immigration Card Index, 1847-1868," also known as "Crossing the Plains Index, 1847-1868." This is an index of families and individuals who crossed the plains to Utah in the years indicated. Except for the handcart companies, these names are NOT on the "LDS EMIGRANT ROSTER & VOYAGE HISTORY 1840-1869" CD-ROM. They can be ordered for viewing at local Family History Centers. Many of the large FHCs have them as part of their permanent collection, along with the "Crossing the Ocean Index" and LDS Ship Registers. FHCs next to temples are the ones most likely to have these films on hand. Otherwise, there is a $3.50 postage/handling view to order each film for viewing at your local FHC. The index is "incomplete" because there aren't complete rosters for all wagon/handcart companies. Considering that about 48,000 men, women and children emigrated to Utah 1847-1868, I'd say the index was pretty darn good. If your ancestor had immigrated to California or Oregon, you'd have much less of a chance of finding such information. One of our list members indicated an aunt was a church history missionary in SLC working on pioneer emigration lists, so the work goes on. P.S. If you found your ancestor on a ship register, you might find the ancestor didn't go to Utah right away, but stayed in the Northeast or St. Louis, Missouri for a year or two to earn enough money to continue west. Often, different members of a family went west at different times. A son or daughter in his/her late teens or early 20s might be sent ahead, with the parents following the next year. I found several cases of this practice among the 9th Handcart company families. So don't be put off if you find several cards for a family with different years of emigration. The citation from the Family History Library Catalog is below: FORMAT: 3 microfilm reels NOTES: Microfilm of original card index at the Church Historian's Office. CONTENTS: Alphabetical index of names of many LDS immigrants to Utah. Contains ages of immigrants, name of pioneer company, dae of arrival in Salt Lake City, sometimes name of ship on which the immigrant crossd the ocean, date of departure from a foreign port; and sources of information. Indexed by head of the family. Index incomplete. A--Ek 0298440 El-Mo 0298441 MU-Z 0298442 Happy hunting!

I am looking to obtain a copy of Family History Suite for my personal use and to do some genealogy research. If anyone knows where I can get it please let me know. John Edwards

Just wanted to say thanks for the help. I have too many lists going at the same time and need to prioritize where I'm concentrating my efforts (Nw England and Germany) Good Luck to all! Holly Carmichael May ps - gail pines, keep in touch through our personal email! write soon HCM

http://lds.org/Pioneer/Pioneer_Trail/00_Trail_Main.html That's the address for the official LDS website where the LDS Pioneer Story is "told in their own words" I was raised LDS, went my own way, most of my family is quite active in the church. I'm of the opinion that any researcher of this geographical area and this time period (Handcart) should make this must reading. Wayne

Wayne

Dear Terri, As a listowner myself, I know you are trying to be fair beyond fair. I'm not Mormon, but some of our folks were(isn't that why we're all on THIS list?)...and we volunteer at our local FHC, and I'm starting to learn Temple Ready. You're worrying too much..I know you're afraid of another flame war on this list. Please don't be concerned....you do a great job as listowner...this is a terrific, friendly and helpful list. Debbie To the other members....I've been here a loooong time..I know Terri herself to be strong in her faith....she wasn't trying to shush any of us...just avoid another war. Here's a newspaper article that shows some of the non-Mormons here just how tolerate these folks are: This was an article in The Lewiston Morning Tribune > (Lewiston, Idaho) and In a Spokane Wash. paper a few weeks > ago. Bill Hall is the Editorial Page Editor for The Lewiston > Morning Tribune. > >> A Mormon president who acts just like a Christian >> by Bill Hall > >> The leader of the Mormon Church has pretty much already >> corrected the suggestion by some Baptists that Mormons >> aren't really Christians. He has turned the other cheek and >> extended the brotherly hand of friendship to 12,000 members >> of the Southern Baptist Conference now preparing for a June >> convention in Utah. > >> The Mormon Church has never looked bigger, more mature or >> more Christian than in the way President Gordon B. Hinckley >> has reacted to the June gathering that will send 12,000 >> Southern Baptists out into the Utah community trying to >> convert Mormons and others to the Baptist brand of >> Christianity. > >> Hinckley has urged his church members to welcome the >> Baptists to the state and, of course, to tell them a bit >> about Mormonism. But most remarkable of all is Hinckley's >> generous observation that "The Baptists are coming here this >> June and are going to engage in a great proselyting effort. >> I can recommend three or four people for them to begin with, >> people who have lost their faith in this gospel." > >> In other words, if some have fallen away from the Mormon >> Church, he would rather have them become Baptists than be >> lost to Christianity altogether. What a departure from some >> of the customary sniping among churches. If he isn't >> careful, this guy Hinckley is going to give Christianity a >> good name. > >> Hinckley's attitude is all the more constructive if you >> know that he does this despite the fact it is a fairly >> common judgment among some Baptists that Mormons aren't >> really Christians but are merely members of a sect calling >> themselves Christians. > >> A lot of people wouldn't have the strength of character to >> ignore that gratuitous insult and do both the right thing >> and the smart thing by letting it pass and extending the >> hand of friendship. What a wise and likable man. The Mormons >> should be awfully proud of this latest president of theirs. >> -- B.H. > >And I think we should all be pretty proud of Terri, too! Debbie