Good-Evening, All. Just thought I'd let people know. There are about 2 dozen copies of the Family History Suite at our local (Las Vegas) Sam's Club. It runs 49.99 + 3.50 tax. I can probably make arrangements to pick some up and priority mail it out to anyone who is interested. Feel free to e-mail me if you're interested, and we can make arrangements. Good luck in your searches. Maureen Lake lakegen@fiax.net

Hello Group! I see I was a tad too general in my suggestion to use the FHL as a Newspaper source. Let me have a second chance. It is very easy to do a subject or author title search on the FHLC BUT----you must use the microfiche version. The computer version contains only a locality and a surname search. The fiche version contains 4 searches. The subject section is a gold mine for specific events, places, religions - these fiche are blue topped. The author/title section is green topped and just look up by author or title. Laurie Castillo

http://www.intercall.net/~jmarshal/esmd135.htm I used the Excite search engine and then went and checked that it was valid. It is. More than happy to help. Wayne Georgenia@aol.com wrote: > > Francis Gill has a great home page that gives alot of pioneer history as well > as genealogy. He has changed websites and I can't find him. Does anybody > know his new site? > > Thanks, > Georgia

Francis Gill has a great home page that gives alot of pioneer history as well as genealogy. He has changed websites and I can't find him. Does anybody know his new site? Thanks, Georgia

Here is the citation from the Library of Congress catalog (go to www.loc.gov). The LOC does not have it, but you might try the FHL catalog. For future reference, the LOC catalog lists lots of newspapers and periodicals which are not in their catalog. However, this is one way of finding out what newspapers are on microfilm for the area you are researching. You have to play around with subject search if you don't have a title. For example, to find Colorado newspapers, I would search subject "Colorado--Newspapers." It's harder to do subject searches in the FHL catalog. I don't know how you'd search for RLDS newspapers as a subject. I found this in the LOC catalog by using a title search. Local historical societies libraries might have the films, and you may be able to get an interlibrary loan. The FHL catalog has lots of 19th century newspapers, but don't expect to find ones in the 20th century. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ITEM 1.CALL NUMBER:NOT AN LC RECORD. SEARCH FURTHER OR SEE STAFF. TITLE:The Saints' herald. PUBLISHED:18uu- Plano, Ill. : Joseph Smith, PLACE NAME:United States--Illinois--Kendall--Plano. NOTE:Description based on: Vol. 25, no. 23, whole no. 407 (Dec. 1, 1878). OTHER SYSTEM #:(OCoLC)16936385 CARD NUMBER:sn87-91101 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ITEM 2.CALL NUMBER:NOT AN LC RECORD. SEARCH FURTHER OR SEE STAFF. TITLE:Saints herald. PUBLISHED:187u- [Independence, MO. : Herald House, FREQUENCY:Monthly <, July 1985-> Semimonthly ISSN:0036-3251 VARIANT TITLE:Herald PUB HISTORY:Absorbed: Vision (Independence, Mo.) 1932 Continues: True Latter-Day Saints' herald RELATED TITLE:Vision (Independence, Mo.) RELATED TITLE:True Latter-Day Saints' herald OTHER NAME:Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. NOTE:Title varies slightly. NOTE:Description based on: Vol. 132, no. 13 (July 1985); title from cover. NOTE:Magazine of: the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day saints. OTHER SYSTEM #:(OCoLC)12218970 CARD NUMBER:sn85-7323 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Library of Congress http://www.loc.gov ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: [HANDCART-L] Saints' Herald Author: "John Edwards" <jb2u@vegasnet.net> Date: 6/20/27 8:55 PM I have a relative that died in March of 1883 as a member of the RLDS church. >From a source that I received in this arena it stated that some of the information obtained from the LDS Family Suite was taken from the Saints' Herald Obituary, pg. 223 1883. Does anyone know where I can get a hold of this Saints' Herald so that I can look at the actual obituary to try and get additional information that might be valuable? Thanks, John

The emigrant rosters on microfilm (from the FHL) cover up to the early 1900s. There are several films for the index. Check the FHL catalog under state of Utah for locality search. Scroll through the topics to find emigration. As the index is alphabetical, you will only need to order the film to cover the surname you are looking for. [I apologize to all for not citing the film numbers; the crossing the plains index is 0298440-42, and the crossing the ocean is either just before or after these numbers.] You can narrow the search by finding out what year they were first recorded in the census in Utah. Also, if you have birth dates/places for marriages of the children who emigrated and births of their children, you can narrow the window. The problem is that there are only a handful of Welsh surnames, so you really have to be careful to get the right family. Anyone who is researching Thomas, Jones, Lewis, Williams, Morris or Richards can tell you it requires some diligence. Large family history centers have the emigrant indices and ship roster microfilms in their permanent collection, so if you are near a large one, you should check before ordering. FHCs near temples are in this category. Here, in the Northern Virginia area, the Annandale FHC has the films. The HB Lee Library at BYU has the 2nd largest genealogical library, so that's an alternative to SLC. Especially if you have a student at BYU who can do the leg work. They have all the US censuses, too. Good luck.

John Edwards wrote: > I have a relative that died in March of 1883 as a member of the RLDS > church. > >From a source that I received in this arena it stated that some of > the > information obtained from the LDS Family Suite was taken from the > Saints' > Herald Obituary, pg. 223 1883. > > Does anyone know where I can get a hold of this Saints' Herald so that > I can > look at the actual obituary to try and get additional information that > might > be valuable? > John, Try BYU or Church Historical Dept. also see the FHLC. Laurie > Thanks, > > John

Had to chime in...The first Fen in FenPhen is the problem. They yanked it off of the shelf in a big panic. Phentermin is the second Phen and is still available. It can give you a real rush. The guidelines to the LDS members in the Word of Wisdom touch on in this case are to stay away from all stimulants. ---------- > From: Steve Anderson <sanderson@net999.com> > To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HANDCART-L] Re: Mormon (Ephedra) Tea Discussion > Date: Thursday, June 18, 1998 12:22 PM > > Caution! > > I have been told Mormon prohibitions against alcohol, tobacco, cola, > etc. are simply aimed at preserving one's good health. > > Ephedra is one of the ingredients in "Fen Phen", recently a popular > weight loss/weight control dietary supplement. It has fallen out of > popularity, because it is potentially dangerous. I am not not not a > medical doctor. But check on this stuff, before considering any use > of the substance. > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Regards, > Steve Anderson, Huntington Beach, CA > sanderson@net999.com > > >

-----Original Message----- From: John Edwards <jb2u@vegasnet.net> To: heritage@uen.org <heritage@uen.org> Date: Sunday, June 20, 2027 8:30 PM Subject: John Edwards, Charlotte Stephens, & Edward Edwards >I am looking for information regarding the above mentioned individuals. I >know they were in Kanesville in Sept. 1850, and John Edwards and Elizabeth >Thomas were married in Council Bluff (Kanesville), IA in 1851 on 22 March. > > I also show that they were in (I am not sure how long prior to this date >they arrived) Salt Lake City on 6 November 1852. So I presume that they >arrived in Salt Lake no later than October 1852, being that their son John >Stephen Edwards was born on 1 January 1853. > >Based on the time frame above, would you please look into your materials to >see if you can find for me the company were in when they emigrated to Salt >Lake City, UT? > >John Edwards > > > >

I have a relative that died in March of 1883 as a member of the RLDS church. >From a source that I received in this arena it stated that some of the information obtained from the LDS Family Suite was taken from the Saints' Herald Obituary, pg. 223 1883. Does anyone know where I can get a hold of this Saints' Herald so that I can look at the actual obituary to try and get additional information that might be valuable? Thanks, John

Is anyone working on the following family? William Nash Thomas born 24 Feb 1835 Wales married 26 Oct 1853 Haverford Wales to Elizabeth Lallis born 26 Dec 1838 Wales Their first 3 children were born in Wales, the last was 24 Feb 1862 Neyland, Wales. Elizabeth died 18 May 1901 in Logan Utah and William died 14 Feb 1923 in Paradise Utah. Sometime between 1862 and 1901 they came to Utah. I did not find them on the LDS Emigrant Roster & Voyage History CD which covers from 1840 - 1869. Pat Holling

One of my prized volumes in my personal library is: >From The Shepherd's Purse by Max G. Barlow "A modern up-to-date work on Medicinal Plants, their identification, preparation and use." I have almost as much of a passion for gardening (nurturing Mother Earth) as I do for family history research (passionate is too mild a word). I highly recommend this volume. I was lucky enough to find it in a thrift store in San Francisco. I, in no way represent any financial interest connected with the publication. This is one of those unsolicited endorsements you sometimes hear about. This is a May 1979 edition, LOC nr 79-65086, ISBN 0-9602812-0-7. Wayne Busby

At 03:12 PM 6/18/98 -0500, Patti Jobe wrote: >correction! Ephedra is NOT one of the ingredients of Phen-Fen, you're >confusing it with Phentermine, which also has not been banned, it was the >'combination' that was banned. >[snip] > Correction to all...(final one, okay?) Ephedra is a part of the HERBAL supplement Diet Phen, Super Diet Pep and about 20 muscle building HERBAL supplments. It is also included in natural asthma supplements and helps open up the airways in the lungs. We could go on forever with this one, but now that that has cleared the air, let's get back to good old Mormon pioneers. I haven't ever heard a story that says one of the Native Americans or the Pioneers who partook of this tea died from it. I think that our ancestors had enough sense, like the rest of us, to watch out for the amounts of anything they drank or ate. The original thread on this was wonderful and fun and informative. Anybody have a pioneer they are looking for and trying to find a story on? Terri

With herbal medicines being my other hobby, I should note that Ephedra can be very dangerous. It does contain ephedrine, which is the natural counterpart to pseudo-ephedrine. It has always been one of those medicinal herbs that are prescribed with caution, and should not be taken by individuals with certain conditions. In fact before the Mormons came to the area, it was widely used by the Native Americans as a medicinal herb. -----Original Message----- From: Patti Jobe [mailto:rjobe@radware.net] Sent: June 18, 1998 4:12 PM To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HANDCART-L] Re: Mormon (Ephedra) Tea Discussion correction! Ephedra is NOT one of the ingredients of Phen-Fen, you're confusing it with Phentermine, which also has not been banned, it was the 'combination' that was banned. Ephedra is also NOT in the product Sudafed, which is pseudo-ephedrine. But caution IS advised with the use of Ephedra or in the form of the Muong Hua (sp?). They are considering a ban of ephedra, because of possible harmful side effects.

correction! Ephedra is NOT one of the ingredients of Phen-Fen, you're confusing it with Phentermine, which also has not been banned, it was the 'combination' that was banned. Ephedra is also NOT in the product Sudafed, which is pseudo-ephedrine. But caution IS advised with the use of Ephedra or in the form of the Muong Hua (sp?). They are considering a ban of ephedra, because of possible harmful side effects.

Caution! I have been told Mormon prohibitions against alcohol, tobacco, cola, etc. are simply aimed at preserving one's good health. Ephedra is one of the ingredients in "Fen Phen", recently a popular weight loss/weight control dietary supplement. It has fallen out of popularity, because it is potentially dangerous. I am not not not a medical doctor. But check on this stuff, before considering any use of the substance. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Regards, Steve Anderson, Huntington Beach, CA sanderson@net999.com

You are quite right, Robert. The drug ephedrine, which is classified as a central nervous system stimulant, is derived from an Asiatic species of Ephedra. Here's a description I got off the net: "Ephedra, also known by its Chinese name, Ma-huang, for Asian sourced material, and as Mormon tea or Brigham tea for Ephedras harvested in the southwest deserts of the United States, has been in the news of late. Mahuang is first mentioned in the classic Chinese herbal of the Divine Plowman Emperor, Shen-Nong's Ben Cao Jing, which survives as a list of 365 herbs from the first century A.D., and is the basis of the modern Chinese materia medica. "Under the tenets of Traditional Chinese Medicine its taste and nature are hot, bitter, and warming. Its functions are to induce sweat, soothe breath, and promote the excretion of urine. It is traditionally prescribed for typhoid fever, bad colds, fevers without sweat, pain over the body, pain in the joints, coughing, shortness of breath and swelling of the ankles. "Ma-huang has been used for over 2,000 years to treat bronchial asthma cold and flu, chills, lack of perspiration, headache, nasal congestion, aching joints and bones, cough and wheezing and edema. In Western terms, ma-huang is considered to have diaphoretic, diuretic, central nervous system stimulating and antiasthmatic activity. The stem (herb) of ephedra contains a number of active compounds, including small amounts of an essential oil, and most important, one to two percent alkaloids composed mainly of ephedrine and pseudoephedrine, with ephedrine ranging from 30 to 90 percent depending on the source." I would think that the diuretic effects of ephedra would preclude any one from drinking too much of it =:-o Tschüss __________________________________________________________ Diane Epperson --from sunny Ocotillo in the flaming Yuha Desert of Southern California editorz@inreach.com "Eala Fria Fresena!" -- "Lever Dod As Slaav!" Researching . . . FLESNER, EBER, BUSS, ELLERMEIER of Illinois aus Deutschland LEWIS, COLEMAN, HART of New Jersey ANDERSEN, EDMISTON, SNOW of Utah . . . und mein rottweiler WORF (Canis klingon) ---------- : From: Robert Speakman <rlsdoc@pol.net> : To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com : Subject: Re: [HANDCART-L] Mormon tea : Date: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 4:29 PM : : Very interesting--I wonder if the pioneers recognized that this tea--if it did come from Ephedra--is a stimulant. Perhaps the pick-me-up theyy may have gotten from it would have been more of a reason to drink it than just for the taste. It would make sense also, if they were trying to give up their [caffeine] tea, to find a substitute that maybe unknowingly relieved the caffeine craving. : : All conjecture and speculation, of course! I would love it if anyone could find other sources or references to this Ephedra plant use. : : Tschuss! (I presume Diane must be German/Swiss--how do get umlauts on your keyboard?) : : Robert

Hi! I am looking for additional information on the following people: Thomas Rowell LEAVITT b. 30 Jun 1834, Compton, PQ, Canada, 1846, Baptized into LDS Church, occupation Farmer, Thomas died 21 May 1891, Cardston, AB, Canada, buried: 22 May 1891, Cardston, AB, Canada, m. (1) 1 Mar 1857, in American Fork, UT, USA, Ann Eliza JENKINS, b. 23 Apr 1841, Nauvoo, Hancock Co., IL, USA, Baptized 18 Apr 1854, into LDS Church, d. 19 May 1904, Cardston, AB, Canada, buried: 22 May 1904, Cardston, AB, Canada, Spouses Sealed 9 Mar 1861, m. (2) 9 Mar 1861, in Salt Lake City, Salt Lake Co., UT, USA, Antoinette DAVENPORT, b. 2 Sep 1843, Nauvoo, Hancock Co., IL, USA, Baptized 23 Feb 1850, into LDS Church, (daughter of James Nephi DAVENPORT and Almira PHELPS) d. 2 Oct 1880, Wellsville, Cache Co., UT, USA, buried: Wellsville, Cache Co., UT, USA, Spouses Sealed 9 Mar 1861, m. (3) 5 Jul 1883, in Salt Lake City, Salt Lake Co., UT, USA, Harriet Martha DOWDLE, b. 21 Jan 1862, Willard, Box Elder Co., UT, USA, 5 Jul 1871, into LDS Church, (daughter of John Clark DOWDLE and Orpha WARNER) d. 19 Oct 1924, Leavitt, AB, Canada, buried: Cardston, AB, Canada, 29 Apr 1880. Spouses Sealed 9 May 1861. I am interested in their vital statistics as well as anecdotal data on them and on their children. I'm especially researching the ancestors and descendants of Thomas Rowell LEAVITT and his second wife Antoinette DAVENPORT. I'm more than happy to share what I have in return. Thanks, Laurelee Walkey wheels@bcgrizzly.com Armstrong, BC, Canada ICQ#: 11339499

At 08:21 AM 6/17/98 PDT, Ronald Colby wrote: >Our favorite pioneer beverage, now don't overrun the super-markets with requests for the makings >For the want of a coke. > >Beverages > Ron Thank you so much for posting those wonderful recipes to the list! This is what makes sharing fun. May I print those up and give them to my mother-in-law to have? She most likely WON'T make the drinks, but they would bring back memories. She is still one of the 'originals' who like to have bread and milk (sopped up together) for supper. This was also an old pioneer dish....one that just doesn't particularly appeal to me. BTW....my grandmother used to call the hot water, milk and sugar SHOE MAKERS TEA. I remember when I was just a little girl asking her why it was called that and she said, 'Because Shoe makers are always so poor, they can't afford real tea.' Grandfather made shoes ;) Terri

I have several herb books that refer to the native Ephedra as Mormon tea. Yep, the early pioneers were given the tea to drink as a supplement to their coffee and regular tea by the native Indians. When the coffee supplies that were brought with the settlers ran out and none was expected for some time, this plant was a natural substitute and readily available. There is also another plant that is indiginous to the Great Basin and that is Echinacea. It is also called Indian Cone Flower. These are tall plants that look like big daisies with the purple cones in the middle. The early pioneers were taught to use this one also as a tea to help them combat many illnesses. Works wonders now for a cold ;) Terri At 07:29 PM 6/17/98 -0400, Robert Speakman wrote: >Very interesting--I wonder if the pioneers recognized that this tea--if it did come from Ephedra--is a stimulant. Perhaps the pick-me-up theyy may have gotten from it would have been more of a reason to drink it than just for the taste. It would make sense also, if they were trying to give up their [caffeine] tea, to find a substitute that maybe unknowingly relieved the caffeine craving. > >All conjecture and speculation, of course! I would love it if anyone could find other sources or references to this Ephedra plant use. > >Tschuss! (I presume Diane must be German/Swiss--how do get umlauts on your keyboard?) > >Robert > > >------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- >Originally From: "diane epperson" <editorz@inreach.com> >Subject: [HANDCART-L] Mormon tea >Date: 06/17/98 04:07pm > > >Here in the desert, we have a local plant called, variously, Mormon, >Mexican, Squaw, or Desert Tea. It is a species of *Ephedra* and quite >beautiful. The natives and early settlers brewed it as a drink by steeping >the stems in boiling water. It also was used as a tonic for kidney >ailments, to purify the blood, and for colds, stomach disorders, and >ulcers. > >I presume the appellation "Mormon" tea was added to the list of names when >the Mormon Batallion came through here in 1846-47 to blaze a wagon road to >California from Council Bluffs. I live quite near the trail, now known as >the Southern Emigrant Trail, and this plant is abundantly available. > >One day I decided to try it, so I picked a bunch of stalks and took it home >to make sun tea. For additional flavoring, I added some bright red ocotillo >blossoms. It was pretty bland but had a refreshing taste--especially >useful, I should think, to improve the taste of plain water that is less >than desirable. > >Tschüss >__________________________________________________________ >Diane Epperson >--from sunny Ocotillo in the flaming Yuha Desert of Southern California >editorz@inreach.com > >"Eala Fria Fresena!" -- "Lever Dod As Slaav!" > >Researching . . . >FLESNER, EBER, BUSS, ELLERMEIER of Illinois aus Deutschland >LEWIS, COLEMAN, HART of New Jersey >ANDERSEN, EDMISTON, SNOW of Utah >. . . und mein rottweiler WORF (Canis klingon) > > >