Hi Terri. I have a puzzle for someone. I have an ancestor, Ann HERBERT who with her 2 year old son came to Utah with the J.G Willie Handcart Co. There is reference in the book "The Emmigrating Journals of the Willie and Martin Handcart Co. ... by Lynne Slater Turner where it mentions a "Richard GODFREY of Worcester Conference was joined in matrimony to Ann HERBERT of same branch, by Bishop Tyler. (pg.14, 15 Jul 1856, Tuesday) On page 65 of same book is reference to a "Richard GODFREY, brother of Ann GODFREY. Worked on Salt Lake Temple. d. 5 Aug 1912." What is puzzling about this, is that Ann HERBERT married my G-G Grandfather Andrew Jackson RYNEARSON in 1858. (One year after she arrived in Utah.) Were Ann and Richard divorced? Was this Ann HERBERT the same Ann HERBERT that married Richard GODFREY?? I would appreciate any information that would shed some light on this puzzle. Sincerely, Dan Rynearson Eldon & Terri Jensen wrote: > Are we 'awfully' quite or am I allll alone again? > > It's either that or the heat has us all hiding away, or we are alllll on > vacation (ha, I wish I were part of that last one ;) > > We have several newcomers to our list. Post away. Week after next, I am > officially 'off' for the remainder of the summer. Hopefully, then I can > help some of you out. I am hoping that most of you will be 'helped' before > then. > > Terri

I am still here. I sure wish I was on vacation too!! Elaine Maddox wrote: > I think it's summer and vacation time! > > Eldon & Terri Jensen wrote: > > > Are we 'awfully' quite or am I allll alone again? > > > > It's either that or the heat has us all hiding away, or we are alllll on > > vacation (ha, I wish I were part of that last one ;) > > > > We have several newcomers to our list. Post away. Week after next, I am > > officially 'off' for the remainder of the summer. Hopefully, then I can > > help some of you out. I am hoping that most of you will be 'helped' before > > then. > > > > Terri

I think it's summer and vacation time! Eldon & Terri Jensen wrote: > Are we 'awfully' quite or am I allll alone again? > > It's either that or the heat has us all hiding away, or we are alllll on > vacation (ha, I wish I were part of that last one ;) > > We have several newcomers to our list. Post away. Week after next, I am > officially 'off' for the remainder of the summer. Hopefully, then I can > help some of you out. I am hoping that most of you will be 'helped' before > then. > > Terri

Are we 'awfully' quite or am I allll alone again? It's either that or the heat has us all hiding away, or we are alllll on vacation (ha, I wish I were part of that last one ;) We have several newcomers to our list. Post away. Week after next, I am officially 'off' for the remainder of the summer. Hopefully, then I can help some of you out. I am hoping that most of you will be 'helped' before then. Terri

John, See our website at www.infouga.org for more details Census schedules Family Bibles, Ward records, civil records, death records, obituaries, tombstones, marriage records, Journal Hist of the Church, Newspapers. Just a plain group sheet won't do! For more answers use our website or call 1-888-infouga or 801-272-8318 Laurie John Edwards wrote: > What type of information is being requested for proving that one has a > > pioneer ancestor in Utah? What time frame is being looked at as well. > I > have ancestors that are Utah Pioneers during the time frame of 1852 > through > the early 1900's. > > I look forward to your reply. > > John Edwards > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry & Laurie E. Castillo <lcastillo@itsnet.com> > To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com <HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 11:34 AM > Subject: [HANDCART-L] Re:UGA NEEDS BETA TESTERS > > >JudiHansen wrote: > > > >> Laurie, > >> > >> UGA Board Request for Utah Valley Chapter: > >> Ask for volunteers in your July meeting for > >> Beta testers of the new Pioneer Certificate CD for John > Lillie > >> > >> Laurie, give John Lilllie the list: names, addresses and phone > numbers > >> of > >> those willing. As he will be out of town at the board meeting, > mailing > >> them > >> would be fine. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Judi > > > > Hello All. > > > >As President of the Utah Valley Chapter of the Utah Genealogical > >Association I have been asked to locate Beta Testors for the new UGA > >CD. The Pioneer Certficates program of UGA allows those with Pioneer > > >ancestry in Utah to submit thier information proving this and receive > a > >certificate for each pioneer ancestor. In turn this information is > >being gathered in to a collection to be preserved. The CDs [of which > > >this is only the first] willmake it possible for this information to > be > >searchable for research purposes. The applications for the > certificates > >gave been scanned in as well as the basic info tabulated. > > > >Thanks for considering this opportunity. > > > >Laurie Werner Castillo lcastillo@itsnet.com > > > >______________________________

The following note was contributed to the "National Genealogical Society Quarterly" (vol. 86, no. 2, June 1998, p. 137) by Myrtle Stevens Hyde, FASG, of Ogden Utah: "The following are the names of the members of the Rollin Enterprise, California company, which arrived here June 19th: H. McGee, Thomas Kealy, Wm. Smith, Francis Brooks, Adna Lull, John Adams, H.M. Bell [Heil?], O.P. Foster, Charles H. Erickson." --from the Kanesville [Council Bluffs] "Frontier Guardian," 27 June 1849 Tschüss __________________________________________________________ Diane Epperson --from sunny Ocotillo in the flaming Yuha Desert of Southern California editorz@inreach.com "Eala Fria Fresena!" -- "Lever Dod As Slaav!" Researching . . . FLESNER, EBER, BUSS, ELLERMEIER of Illinois aus Deutschland LEWIS, COLEMAN, HART of New Jersey ANDERSEN, EDMISTON, SNOW of Utah . . . und mein rottweiler WORF (Canis klingon)

Hello group! I just realized how remiss I have been in not telling you about the Utah Genealogical Association website. Come see what we are doing - find out about the Pioneer Certificates Program, etc on our wonderful website: www.infouga.org there you will also find out about the E-mail address and the "800" number for asking questions. Laurie Werner Castillo, Pres of the Utah Valley Chapter of the UGA I am a descendant of the James and Mary Ann Payne Mellor Family of the Martin Handcart Co., and other pioneers such as Elias and Sally cox Hutchings, William Willard Hutchings and Matilda Wiseman Hutchings, and Abraham and Hulda Catherine Hill Palmer.

JudiHansen wrote: > Laurie, > > UGA Board Request for Utah Valley Chapter: > Ask for volunteers in your July meeting for > Beta testers of the new Pioneer Certificate CD for John Lillie > > Laurie, give John Lilllie the list: names, addresses and phone numbers > of > those willing. As he will be out of town at the board meeting, mailing > them > would be fine. > > > > > Judi Hello All. As President of the Utah Valley Chapter of the Utah Genealogical Association I have been asked to locate Beta Testors for the new UGA CD. The Pioneer Certficates program of UGA allows those with Pioneer ancestry in Utah to submit thier information proving this and receive a certificate for each pioneer ancestor. In turn this information is being gathered in to a collection to be preserved. The CDs [of which this is only the first] willmake it possible for this information to be searchable for research purposes. The applications for the certificates gave been scanned in as well as the basic info tabulated. Thanks for considering this opportunity. Laurie Werner Castillo lcastillo@itsnet.com

Since Linda's request is a common one, I'm sending my reply to the list. Try calling or writing Mr. Bashore at the Church History Library (not the FHL) in Salt Lake City. He keeps a data base of pioneer journals and published reminiscences by company/year for ships and companies crossing the plains. The indices are also on microfilm available from the FHL (find in the FHL catalog under "Utah-Emigration"), but they are a few years old. If you write to the Church History Library, they can send a copy of the list entries for the year you are interested in for about 10 cents per page. Many of the journals and other material are only on microfilm at the church archives, but some is in print. Some of the journals are also in collections at BYU, Univ. Utah, and Utah State. In those case, you'd have to go to the libraries and pore over the microfilm. Mr. Melvin L. Bashore Historical Dept. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints 50 East North Temple Street Salt Lake City UT 84150 The telephone number is (801) 240-2745. At the risk of causing a run on mail-in requests, the library is very helpful in making copies from books they have in hard copy and on fiche. I have sent lists requesting articles from journals on western history and LDS church magazines going back to the early 1920s, and they only charged me for the copies. Be sure to be as specific as you can. They will not do the research for you, but will fill requests for specific pages or parts of books. I got copies of articles from Carter's DUP series a few years ago, before they were on CD-ROM. Another source would be the various CD's with LDS Bio Ency, PPMU and the DUP series. A search by surname of captain and the year might yield some brief narratives. If the captain was one of the Youngs, however, you'll pull up every reference to BY in that year, as well as the word "young." I found some additional bios for the year 1860 by this method that weren't listed in Mr. Bashore's database because they didn't have much material on the trek across the plains (only a sentence or two), but they were interesting anyway. Some of these give the person's conversion story and their life in the pioneer period after arriving in Utah. P.S. Re the old man's death, you might check genealogical data. If the family is in Ancestral File, the date and place of death (if entered) might confirm this. I discovered my great-great-grandfather's sister had given birth to a son who lived only a week while they were outfitting the company in Florence. This was not in the story my gggp's told. I discovered it from Ancestral file. Prof. Susan Easton Black of BYU compiled a list of documented pioneer trek deaths for the memorial dedicated last year in Nauvoo. I don't know if this list is published anywhere. ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: [HANDCART-L] PE Fund CO. - Capt AO Smoot Author: Linda Gamble <llgamble@mail.caps.maine.edu> Date: 6/27/99 3:19 PM I have found information the John Carmichael and son James crossed the plains in 1852 in Capt Abraham O Smoot's company. It was listed as the PE Fund Co. They had traveled on the ship the Ellen Maria to New Orleans. John's other son, also named John, came on the Golconda. Any way to find out more information about this company and if it is possible that they could have hooked up before leaving to cross the plains? Also, family legend has the old man dying on the trip up the river or before setting off across the plains. How could I find this out? Thanks. Linda

Can anyone give me information on David Wilkin Jr, born 1 Aug 1819 in Enniskillen, Ireland. I don't know when he came to Utah, but was probably here by 1851. He married five times and I am particularly interested in wives Jenette Craig Young (married 23 Apr 1854) and Alice Carlisle (married same date), daughter of Richard Carlisle and Jane Field. I would also appreciate any lookups for Richard Carlisle (b. 1798) and Jane Field (b. 1795) both born in Lincolnshire, England. Thanks Lori Reynolds Weinstein lorimum@aol.com

Here's some information from "Heart throbs of the West." Note that the story gives the year as 1852, but as the source is not quoted verbatim, the date on the stone (1851) is probably correct. Too bad the title of "one of the histories of Utah" is not given. There might have been a mention of Major Ormsby's party in the Deseret News, since they stayed two weeks. The DN is on microfilm from the Family History Library. --------------- Heart Throbs of the West: Volume 6 Monuments Erected by Daughters of Utah Pioneers Marker Number Fifty-Eight Pioneer Cemetery 1849-1856 Erected May 26, 1940 The stone bearing the name Olive Cynthis Ormsby, was placed in the cemetery in remembrance of a California emigrant. This marks the route taken by Major William Ormsby of San Francisco between 1849 and 1852. She was the child of Major Ormsby, and died March 17, 1851. In one of the histories of Utah there is an article prepared by Dr. Oliver Ormsby, who passed through Sessions Settlement when he was twelve years old, on the way to California. Quote from history: "Major William Ormsby and his brother John S. Ormsby, left Pennsylvania in 1849 and went to California. Early in 1852 Major Ormsby went back to Pennsylvania to bring his and his brother's families to California. There were about one hundred souls in the company and they were fitted out with the finest horses and equipment. However, when they reached Salt Lake, they had lost all of their horses and carriages and remained in Salt Lake two weeks to rest and recruit." ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: [HANDCART-L] UT's second cemetery Author: Eldon & Terri Jensen <jensenet@vii.com> Date: 6/26/98 10:32 AM Hi Rita I think that first I would contact the DUP office and find out what they have on your Olive. If they put a stone on her grave, they might have a bunch more material. Mention all that you know and go from there. Daughters of the Utah Pioneers 300 N. Main Salt Lake City, UT 84103 801-538-1050 Terri At 12:31 AM 6/26/98 -0700, ~Rita ~ wrote: > Olive Cynthia ORMSBY was a child buried in the **second cemetery in >the state of Utah, who died 17 Mar 1851, enroute to Calif. I am not sure >if this is in Bountiful, Davis County, UT.?? There is a stone, bearing >her name, put there by the Daughters of Utah Pioneers, and I want to get >whatever death papers there are on her and also a photo of the stone, >which marks the route taken around the north end of the lake by William >Ormsby to San Francisco during 1849-1852. > Would this be the correct place to write to, for this info. and >help? > Bountiful Cenetery > 2224 S. 200 W # Bountiful > Bountiful Utah 84010-7565 >Thank you kindly, Rita Ormsby

Hi Rita I think that first I would contact the DUP office and find out what they have on your Olive. If they put a stone on her grave, they might have a bunch more material. Mention all that you know and go from there. Daughters of the Utah Pioneers 300 N. Main Salt Lake City, UT 84103 801-538-1050 Terri At 12:31 AM 6/26/98 -0700, ~Rita ~ wrote: > Olive Cynthia ORMSBY was a child buried in the **second cemetery in >the state of Utah, who died 17 Mar 1851, enroute to Calif. I am not sure >if this is in Bountiful, Davis County, UT.?? There is a stone, bearing >her name, put there by the Daughters of Utah Pioneers, and I want to get >whatever death papers there are on her and also a photo of the stone, >which marks the route taken around the north end of the lake by William >Ormsby to San Francisco during 1849-1852. > Would this be the correct place to write to, for this info. and >help? > Bountiful Cenetery > 2224 S. 200 W # Bountiful > Bountiful Utah 84010-7565 >Thank you kindly, Rita Ormsby > > > > > > >

Olive Cynthia ORMSBY was a child buried in the **second cemetery in the state of Utah, who died 17 Mar 1851, enroute to Calif. I am not sure if this is in Bountiful, Davis County, UT.?? There is a stone, bearing her name, put there by the Daughters of Utah Pioneers, and I want to get whatever death papers there are on her and also a photo of the stone, which marks the route taken around the north end of the lake by William Ormsby to San Francisco during 1849-1852. Would this be the correct place to write to, for this info. and help? Bountiful Cenetery 2224 S. 200 W # Bountiful Bountiful Utah 84010-7565 Thank you kindly, Rita Ormsby

Can anyone help me with any of this. Just need more information, for this is all I have. This is my wifes line Sarah Rebecca Copp b. 19 M? 1814 RI d. 10 Apr 1891 Utah married Thomas Norton King b. 1 Oct 1813 d. 17 Jul 1895 Provo said to be related to the King Family that was on TV several years ago. Parents of Sarah John Copp b. 1788 RI Sally ? b. 1792 RI Looking for more ancestors "There's a mighty big difference between good, sound facts and facts that sound good." Ronald Colby rmcolby@micro-net.com Salt Lake City, Utah Researching the descendants and ancestors of Ezekiel Colby 1739-1791 and Sarah/Sally Fowler 1742-? Visit us at: http://www.parsonstech.com/genealogy/trees/rcolby/colby_ft.htm

The Taylor wagon company left Iowa City on 20 May and Florence on 3 July, arriving in SLC 17-18 September. There were 116 people and 22 wagons. Try calling Mel Bashore at the Church History Library (not the FHL) in Salt Lake City. He keeps a data base of pioneer journals and published reminiscences by company/year for ships and companies crossing the plains. The indices are also on microfilm available from the FHL, but they are a few years old. If you write to the Church History Library, they can send a copy of the list entries for 1860 for about 10 cents per page. Mr. Melvin L. Bashore Historical Dept. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints 50 East North Temple Street Salt Lake City UT 84150 The telephone number is (801) 240-2745. At the risk of causing a run on mail-in requests, the library is very helpful in making copies from books they have in hard copy and on fiche. I have sent lists requesting articles from journals on western history and LDS church magazines going back to the early 1920s, and they only charged me for the copies. Be sure to be as specific as you can. They will not do the research for you, but will fill requests for specific pages or parts of books. I got copies of articles from Carter's DUP series a few years ago, before they were on CD-ROM. Since I did research on 1860 for the 9th HC co., I might have a list of journals for the Taylor co. If there were any stories, I didn't look at them since they left Florence four weeks after the HC company. Give me a few days to look through some boxes. ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: [HANDCART-L] Taylor-Iowa Train Author: "sarah kay and/or jerry zuber" <zuberskj@triax.com> Date: 6/23/98 8:52 PM Does anyone else have ancestors who came from Florence NE to Salt Lake City in 1860 on the John Taylor-Iowa wagon train? Does anyone know of any resource material that speaks of this wagon train? My ancestor on the train was Levi B. Jones and his family. Sarah Kay Zuber zuberskj@triax.com

Does anyone else have ancestors who came from Florence NE to Salt Lake City in 1860 on the John Taylor-Iowa wagon train? Does anyone know of any resource material that speaks of this wagon train? My ancestor on the train was Levi B. Jones and his family. Sarah Kay Zuber zuberskj@triax.com

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_898620418_boundary Content-ID: <0_898620418@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_898620418_boundary Content-ID: <0_898620418@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: ADELKEN@aol.com Return-path: <ADELKEN@aol.com> To: HANDCART-L@rootswb.com Subject: JOSEPH L. OAKLEY Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:31:24 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Seeking information on Joseph L.Oakley,father of my grandfather,Eugene Oakley born 1/20/1858 at Manhasset,L.I. N.Y. Eugenes mothers name was Sarah E.Oakley. Thank you in advance for any help. Ken Oakley St. Cloud, Fla. --part0_898620418_boundary--

Looking for info about Hannah Parsons. Married to Warren Peck about 1825, joined the Mormons in NY about 1830, Warren returned to NY where he died. Hannah md. Ebanezer Page and moved on ending up in Utah around 1851 or so. She married James Hendricks there. Her children were Thoret Peck b. 1826, King Benjamin Peck (known as Ben) and Elizabeth Jane Page b. 1840 in Ill. Does anyone know where she went after getting to Utah, where she died? or any other info. Thanks. Roddie Burback

Thanks Maureen, This is a very generous offer!! I know that this will help out a few of our members who are seeking the stories of their pioneers. Terri At 04:26 PM 6/22/98 -0700, Maureen Lake wrote: >Good-Evening, All. > >Just thought I'd let people know. There are about 2 dozen copies of the >Family History Suite at our local (Las Vegas) Sam's Club. It runs 49.99 + >3.50 tax. I can probably make arrangements to pick some up and priority >mail it out to anyone who is interested. > >Feel free to e-mail me if you're interested, and we can make arrangements. > >Good luck in your searches. > >Maureen Lake >lakegen@fiax.net > > >

Good-Evening, All. This is a resend--Sorry. I left off the subject line and a second address. Just thought I'd let people know. There are about 2 dozen copies of the Family History Suite at our local (Las Vegas) Sam's Club. It runs 49.99 + 3.50 tax. I can probably make arrangements to pick some up and priority mail it out to anyone who is interested. Feel free to e-mail me if you're interested, and we can make arrangements. Good luck in your searches. Maureen Lake lakegen@fiax.net lakegen@juno.com