Dear Friends..... I received this over an LDS chat list....I cannot verify it's veracity...but, if true, it would be WONDERFUL!! Michele Greetings: After seeing reports and rumors of reports about a Ukraine Temple announcement over the weekend on this and other Internet sources, I decided to check the facts with a reliable source. I interviewed a spokesman with the Church's Public Affairs Department this afternoon (Wednesday, July 29, 1998) by telephone shortly before 4:00 p.m. MDT (2200 UTC). He confirmed the following: * President Hinckley did announce the planned construction of a small temple for Ukraine during at least one of the several Monticello, Utah, Temple dedicatory sessions on Sunday and/or Monday. * No official press release will be issued until it can be announced "in an official LDS publication in about a week and a half." (Watch for it in the August 8, 1998, issue of LDS Church News, 10 days from today --DVT) * Even though a press release has not yet been issued, President Hinckley has already announced construction of a small temple in Ukraine and, according to the spokesman, "You can't get more official than that." Hope this helps clarify, David V. Tilton Palm Bay, Florida, USA dtilton@bellsouth.net

Good Morning everyone, I am looking for a genealogist who, for a fee, would read and take notes or better still photocopies of the information on a film held in the Archives at Salt Lake City. Unfortunately I cannot hire this film to be send out to NZ so I would be grateful for help with this problem. Kind regards Marie Auckland NZ

Does anyone have the hours for the FHC in the Joseph Smith Bldg.? Is it open at all on Sunday or on Saturday & Monday evenings? ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: [HANDCART-L] Advice in visiting SLC FHC Author: JCBrooks@aol.com Date: 7/27/98 1:53 PM Another fact about the FHL...they recently moved all the "Family Histories"....that is books about surnames.... to the Joseph Smith Building (the old Hotel Utah) on the other side of Temple Square. The first floor in the FHL is now solely US source material in book form. So plan your searching accordingly.....you don't want to make three or four trips across the street...... Michele

Some priorities for FHL time: 1) Books, manuscripts, maps, etc. that ARE NOT on microfilm. Many books and mansucripts are not filmed due to copyright restrictions; often because the author still owns the copyright and/or sells copies. 2) If you have identified several film SERIES to look at, I'd do those. For example, I was looking for deaths of relatives in Brooklyn NY 1900 & up. I didn't have dates, so I had to do a year by year search of the index, with 1-4 years per roll. This would have been expensive to do by ordering the film, one by one, at $3.50 each. I looked at the films at the Los Angeles Temple FHC when on travel in LA last week. 3) Films that you only expect to find one or two records on, or perhaps, you are just "fishing." Save your $3.50 for ordering rolls you expect to find lots of records on; order for viewing at leisure at your local FHC. An example might be a census for a year/area where lots of your ancestors/collateral relatives lived. Check the Soundex at the FHL, then order the census film when you get back home. P.S to all. The Harold B. Lee Library at BYU has a lot of the material (especially films) that you'd find at the FHL in SLC. They have all the census films, including SOUNDEX. They are also open two Sundays a month and have longer hours M-Sat. than the FHL. The FHC at the Los Angeles Temple is the third largest after the FHL and BYU. Hope this helps. Lynda

Another fact about the FHL...they recently moved all the "Family Histories"....that is books about surnames.... to the Joseph Smith Building (the old Hotel Utah) on the other side of Temple Square. The first floor in the FHL is now solely US source material in book form. So plan your searching accordingly.....you don't want to make three or four trips across the street...... Michele

1. Don't miss Legacy at the Joseph Smith building--for your daughter also--guaranteed (almost) she'll like it. 2. Have her hang around the east side of the temple---there's almost always a wedding photo session--if she likes that sort of thing. Also there are often wedding receptions going on at the Joseph Smith building. 3. Take in a Tabernacle Choir concert (or other concerts in the Tabernacle or Assembly Hall. 4. Hate to recommend shopping malls to any teen--but they are conveniently right across the street. 5. It's been awhile since I've been there, so others may have better suggestions. Have fun! Robert ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: stwatkins@juno.com (S Watkins) Subject: [HANDCART-L] Advice in visiting SLC FHC Date: 07/23/1998 08:16pm I know this may have been covered before but my husband is the one who mostly reads the lists. I'm going to have only two days available to spend in the FHC in SLC and want to maximize my time. I know I should use the catalogs before going so that's done. What else should I do / be aware of? Any and all observations are welcomed. I'm also dragging my 16 year old daughter along and know she'd appreciate any alternatives to fetching material for me, beyond the safety of Temple Square. (My other daughter suggested she see how many languages she could take the tour in but I suspect they'd get wise once she got beyond English). Thanks in advance - Nancy.

Our home page for the Utah Valley PAF Users Group has info on making a visit to the SL FHL and lots of other things related. The URL is http://www.genealogy.org/~uvpafug . If you happen to be in the area on a 2nd or 4th Sunday and need to use a library, the BYU FHC library in the Harold B. Lee Library is open all day those two Sundays just for genealogy. There are also free classes there on those two Sundays all day long. If you need the class schedule, let me know, and I'll e-mail you one. The current one may not be on our web page yet. Don Snow >I know this may have been covered before but my husband is the one who >mostly reads the lists. I'm going to have only two days available to >spend in the FHC in SLC and want to maximize my time. I know I should >use the catalogs before going so that's done. What else should I do / be >aware of? Any and all observations are welcomed. I'm also dragging my >16 year old daughter along and know she'd appreciate any alternatives to >fetching material for me, beyond the safety of Temple Square. (My other >daughter suggested she see how many languages she could take the tour in >but I suspect they'd get wise once she got beyond English). Thanks in >advance - Nancy. > Dr. Donald R. Snow, Dept of Math, Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah 84602 (801) 378-2366, snowd@math.byu.edu

I know this may have been covered before but my husband is the one who mostly reads the lists. I'm going to have only two days available to spend in the FHC in SLC and want to maximize my time. I know I should use the catalogs before going so that's done. What else should I do / be aware of? Any and all observations are welcomed. I'm also dragging my 16 year old daughter along and know she'd appreciate any alternatives to fetching material for me, beyond the safety of Temple Square. (My other daughter suggested she see how many languages she could take the tour in but I suspect they'd get wise once she got beyond English). Thanks in advance - Nancy.

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_901261862_boundary Content-ID: <0_901261862@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 98-07-24 00:26:19 EDT, Pearllmcca writes: From: Pearllmcca To: JCBrooks My daughter is a driver for UTA the Utah Transit A? There is a trolley down town that will take you to most sites. But if you get bored with Temple Square just go to the Mall and it is a great place and this is from a lady who lives near the MEGA Mall in Auburn, WA. LOLOL >> --part0_901261862_boundary Content-ID: <0_901261862@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Pearllmcca@aol.com Return-path: <Pearllmcca@aol.com> To: JCBrooks@aol.com Subject: Re: [HANDCART-L] Advice in visiting SLC FHC Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:26:19 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit My daughter is a driver for UTA the Utah Transit A? There is a trolley down town that will take you to most sites. But if you get bored with Temple Square just go to the Mall and it is a great place and this is from a lady who lives near the MEGA Mall in Auburn, WA. LOLOL --part0_901261862_boundary--

In a message dated 98-07-23 23:17:27 EDT, stwatkins@juno.com writes: << I'm also dragging my 16 year old daughter along and know she'd appreciate any alternatives to fetching material for me, beyond the safety of Temple Square. >> There are plenty of things to do..... 1. Tour the Art Museum (next door to the FHL) 2. Go see Legacy at the old Hotel Utah (now called Joseph Smith Building) 3. A little futher down the street is the Beehive House and Lion House..they give tours...a walking tour of the area is available, I'm sure.... 4. There are TWO malls right across the street from Temple Square..surely she's old enough at 16 to go to the mall alone. It's absolutely safe. 5. If she's adventurous and has a place to go....the buses in SLC are wonderful, easy to use and very safe....even go right down to Provo for a few dollars and see BYU... 6. There is a movie theater (nice) right between the Marriot Hotel and Temple Square... I think she can keep busy. Michele

Cindy, I don't think that you would need permission to use the pictures that are included in the Family History Suite cd as long as you give credit to their source. This constitutes fair use. You are only taking what belongs to one family (yours) and it is by far less that 10% of the book. Making copies for research purposes is perfectly legal. I could be wrong ;) but I think that even if you were to use those same pictures in your own compiled genealogies for family members, as long as credit is given, then you have complied to the legalities of the law. Quite a few of the pictures that my hubby has of his line are represented on the cd. However, we have gotten copies of those pictures from other sources (cousins, the original photographers, etc.,) and don't feel that we owe company that made the cd credit for the same picture. Terri At 01:34 PM 7/23/98 EDT, Cballd@aol.com wrote: >To all: >Does anyone know about getting permission to use the photos on the Family >Suite CD. It has several pictures of our ancestors that I don't have and would >like to include in family history books and maybe on my website. And since I >haven't mentioned it lately my Personal Pioneer Portraits page is located at: >http://members.aol.com/cballd/pioneers.html >It includes sketches of the following: > >--Cindy's Ancestors-- >Thomas J. Adair and Mary Vance Waggle Adair >Mary Elizabeth Adair Adams 1858-1926 >Ann (Page) Adams 1877-1943 >John S. Adams 1844-1935 >William Morley Black 1826-1915 >William Burgess Sr. 1794-1880 >Harrison Burgess (1814-1883) >David H. Cannon 1832-1924 >Rhoda Knell Cannon 1858-1945 >Robert Knell 1828-1916 >David Rogers 1828-1903 > >--Michael's Ancestors-- >Delila VanLeuvan Alldredge 1882-1983 >Isaac Alldredge II 1843-1936 >Isaac Alldredge III 1870-1959 >Susannah Evans Alldredge 1850-1932 >John Brown abt.1772-1832 >Martha Chapman Brown - 1781 >James Chapman 1747-1800 >Philip Chapman I - abt 1700 >Barbara Ann Ewell Evans 1821-1898 >Joseph James 1852-1908 >James Lake (1782-1874) >Philomelia Smith Lake 1794-1873 >Lydia Ann Lake Nelson, 1832-1924 >Edmond Nelson 1799-1850 >Price William Nelson 1855-1946 > >The Chapmans weren't LDS members but their kids were. Feel free to visit if >you are related or interested. >Thanks for help, >Cindy Alldredge > >

To all: Does anyone know about getting permission to use the photos on the Family Suite CD. It has several pictures of our ancestors that I don't have and would like to include in family history books and maybe on my website. And since I haven't mentioned it lately my Personal Pioneer Portraits page is located at: http://members.aol.com/cballd/pioneers.html It includes sketches of the following: --Cindy's Ancestors-- Thomas J. Adair and Mary Vance Waggle Adair Mary Elizabeth Adair Adams 1858-1926 Ann (Page) Adams 1877-1943 John S. Adams 1844-1935 William Morley Black 1826-1915 William Burgess Sr. 1794-1880 Harrison Burgess (1814-1883) David H. Cannon 1832-1924 Rhoda Knell Cannon 1858-1945 Robert Knell 1828-1916 David Rogers 1828-1903 --Michael's Ancestors-- Delila VanLeuvan Alldredge 1882-1983 Isaac Alldredge II 1843-1936 Isaac Alldredge III 1870-1959 Susannah Evans Alldredge 1850-1932 John Brown abt.1772-1832 Martha Chapman Brown - 1781 James Chapman 1747-1800 Philip Chapman I - abt 1700 Barbara Ann Ewell Evans 1821-1898 Joseph James 1852-1908 James Lake (1782-1874) Philomelia Smith Lake 1794-1873 Lydia Ann Lake Nelson, 1832-1924 Edmond Nelson 1799-1850 Price William Nelson 1855-1946 The Chapmans weren't LDS members but their kids were. Feel free to visit if you are related or interested. Thanks for help, Cindy Alldredge

I have run into something which is puzzling me and am hoping someone in this group might have some suggestions for me. My ancestor, Alexander STEPHENS, JR. was born in 1813. He first married Margaret NORHTAM in 1831 in North Carolina. By 1841 or so the family had moved to Illinois where they joined the Church. When the move to Utah began, Margaret and their son, Ebenezer apparently elected to stay in Illinois. We don't know what became of them. Alexander left with the main group of people and got as far as Council Bluffs, Iowa, where he enlisted in the Mormon Battalion and made his way to California. When he came to Utah, he married Ann Eliza PALMER in Salt Lake City in 1852. They had 4 children before a divorce was granted in 1864. The next records I have of him are his pension papers from the Mexican War. In these papers, his widow, Alice Eliza HARDMAN is asking for an increase in his pension. There is a marriage cert. showing that Alice Eliza HARDMAN and Alexander STEPHENS were married by Bishop John Rackman, of Wilson, Weber, Utah on 4 Feb. 1892. Now the problem, A paper in Alexander's pension file says: 'That I am married; that the maiden name of my wife was HARDMAN, to whom I was married at Salt Lake City, in the State of Utah, on the 20th day of May, AD 1880, that my wife is living....It was signed by Alexander STEPHENS as claimant and witnessed by his nephews, Jesse S. Brown and Alexander Brown....dated 9 April 1887.' There is another paper, signed by David McKay, Bishop of the Huntsville Ward, attesting that Agnes HISLOP/HYSLOP STEPHENS, wife of Alexander STEPHENS had died there 10 Nov. 1891. A previous husband of Alice Eliza HARDMAN had died in 1877. Now my question: Why were Alexander STEPHENS and Alice Eliza HARDMAN married twice..in 1880 and again in 1892? The only explanation I've come up with is that she was a plural wife and then after Agnes HYSLOP died in 1891, she 'married' him again in 1892 in order to qualify for survivor benefits from the pension. Does anyone else have any insights into this? Thanks for your time Nancy rlincoln@msb.mat-su.k12.ak.us

I am a direct ancestor of Benjamin BENSON b 3 AUG 1773 Maple, Rensselear, NY bapt. 14 FEB 1832 Morman Church, Bath, Stuben, NY d 8 OCT 1846 Mendon, Adams, IL m on 15 DEC 1795 NY - Keziah MESSENGER b 4 DEC 1779 Simsbury, Hartford, CT bapt. 21 FEB 1832 Morman Church Bath, Steuban, NY d 10 MAR 1857 Springville, Utah. Benjamin BENSON was a "Member of Nauvoo High Council". His wife Keziah crossed the plains in the Third Co. of Capt. Silas Richards in 1849 and she was re-baptised in Springville, Utah by S.C. Perry. They had 12 children: Joseph BENSON 31 MAR 1797 Fabius, Onondago, NY John Price BENSON 22 FEB Fabius, Onondago, NY (my line) Alva BENSON 10 DEC 1883 Fabius, Onondago, NY Rhoda BENSON 18 FEB 1803 NY Fabius, Onondago, NY Lewis Barber BENSON 06 DEC 1804 Fabius, Onondago, NY Jerome Messenger BENSON 05 NOV 1810 Fabius, Onondago, NY Elizabeth BENSON 17 AUG 1808 Fabius, Onodago, NY Electa BENSON 08 SEP 1812 Fabius, Onodago, NY Betsy BENSON 31 MAR 1814 Fabius, Onodago, NY Polly BENSON 12 FEB 1816 Bath, Stuben, New York ("Second Counselor of Relief Society", later became "First Counselor":) Alford Benjamin BENSON 07 APR 1817 Bath, Steuben, NY Lovina Keziah BENSON 27 NOV 1819 Clark Twp, Clark Co., Indiana Benjamin BENSON's parents were Stutson BENSON and Bathsheba LEWIS. Keziah MESSENGER's parents were Joseph MESSENGER and Jemima BARBER both of CT. I am most interested in finding out any known info on these families, the area they lived in, the switch from the Baptist church to the Morman Church their history as they moved west - anything at all. This branch of my family came as a big surprise to me as until I dug this info out I always believed my fathers family was Dutch and German. I would sure appreciate hearing from anyone with any info. Thank you so very much. Sue Ann Fuller - AUSSIE-DATA@worldnet.att.net .

Here is the answer about fiche. ---------- From: Susan Wilhelm <SWilhelm@chq.byu.edu> To: thomson@cardina.net Subject: IGI for sale -Reply Date: Friday, May 29, 1998 1:53 PM Listed below is a list of genealogical micro fiche we sell to idividuals. 1 - International Genealogical Index (IGI) which is an index of names with one generation links. (ie: parent-child, husband-wife) These sell for .15 cents a fiche. They can be purchases in sets ranging from the entire IGI to specific countries to specific states/counties. 2 - Family History Library Catalog (FHLC) which is a catalog of our holdings some of which are books and others microfilm. This is also available at a cost of .15 cents per fiche. They can also be purchased in large or small groups. Both the IGI and FHLC are available at the Family History Centers to be viewed. Both also require an microfiche reader if you wish to purchase them. These fiche are available through mail order. Just send your name and mailing address to me and I will send you a packet of information, instructions and order forms. Susan Wilhelm, Outside Sales SWilhelm@chq.byu.edu ----------

Good Morning, I wonder if anyone has the email address of the order department in Salt Lake City. I believe we are able to order fiche belonging to the set FHLC 1997. (I should say do they have an email address) As I live in New Zealand I am hoping I can find out the costs and availablity so I can send post my correct order off. Just trying to save time as we are getting near to the end of 1998 and I guess like a lot of people haven't got as far as I had hoped this year. Does the LDS main library have an email address for any queries which may come up from time to time for those who are less fortunate and live such a long way away? I look forward to a reply and say thank you in advance Marie Auckland NZ

I am so sorry for my post. I obviously posted to the wrong list!!! (I belong to a lace knitting list too). Again I apologize profusely!!!! Melanie Ellingson (researching Cunninton) -----Original Message----- From: Melanie Ellingson <melanie@iea.com> To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com <HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, July 20, 1998 5:28 PM Subject: [HANDCART-L] Score!! >Just had to share my "score" this weekend. I went to a local thrift store >and found two Burda knit lace specials. They are both in German, but all >the patterns are there and alot of them are Herbert Neiblings!! I also >found about 5 Workbasket magazines that had lace edgings and one with a >doily in it (pinwheel). > >With the two Anna specials, I'll be busy for a long time! Since I have >discovered the Neibling patterns, I absolutely love them! They are so fun >to make, and absolutely georgous when finished. > > >Thanks for letting me share my "find". > >Melanie > >

Just had to share my "score" this weekend. I went to a local thrift store and found two Burda knit lace specials. They are both in German, but all the patterns are there and alot of them are Herbert Neiblings!! I also found about 5 Workbasket magazines that had lace edgings and one with a doily in it (pinwheel). With the two Anna specials, I'll be busy for a long time! Since I have discovered the Neibling patterns, I absolutely love them! They are so fun to make, and absolutely georgous when finished. Thanks for letting me share my "find". Melanie

SSDI is an open area. Many areas at Ancestry are closed and available only to subscribers. Go back and do your search. You also might want to subscribe to the Ancestry newsletter since many areas of the site are open for a day or two and the newsletter will give you advance notice. The newsletter and SSDI are both free for the asking. Robert Speakman wrote: > I went to the ancestry.com page--it looks like you need to be a subscribed member to do a search. Or is there a way for non-subscribers to access the SSDI? > Thanks, > Robert >

I went to the ancestry.com page--it looks like you need to be a subscribed member to do a search. Or is there a way for non-subscribers to access the SSDI? Thanks, Robert ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: Eldon & Terri Jensen <jensenet@vii.com> Subject: [HANDCART-L] Social Security Death Index errors Date: 07/19/1998 12:13pm Hi all, SOCIAL SECURITY DEATH INDEX Please, everyone, go to the http://www.Ancestry.com site and do a simple search for your name, your parent's names (if still living) just to make sure they are NOT listed. We just found my mom-in-law listed as 'dead' and dieing the same day as her hubby. Not good. Not good at all. She is alive and doing quite good for almost 80. Her number is listed, and her birthdate. She could be denied benefits, etc.. For your peace of mind, just go check. It is free and it is an official record taking directly from the Death Master File at Social Security. Terri Jensen