IGI fiche ordered from the FHC is not for sale, it stays in the FHC you ordered from. You have to send to Susan as in the information sheet I sent. Other fiche are not for sale. Susan can answer all your questions as she handles all outside sales.

I'd never given much thought to the fact that, when ordering fiche through the FHC at 15 cents each, the fiche are actually purchased. I'm most, if not all, FHCs put them in the file drawers in the appropriate category. It never occurred to me that the fiche might be the property of the patron who paid for it. Of course, FHCs have complete IGI fiche sets, so most people have no reason to order IGI fiche. I guess you could always take (your) fiche to a public library that had fiche readers to use them outside FHCs. By the way, AF/IGI, etc. are now available outside FHCs, such as public libraries, historical societies, etc. In the Washington DC area, both the DAR library in DC and the Genealogical room at the Fairfax Co. library in Fairfax city have the CDs. You can also order FHL films for viewing at the DAR library. I don't know if these non-FHC libraries lease or own the software and CDs. ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: [HANDCART-L] Fw: IGI for sale -Reply Author: <thomson@cardina.net> Date: 8/7/98 1:29 PM Hi All, Here is the answer about buying the IGI. Send questions to Susan, her e-mail address is at the bottom of the information. Joan **************************************************************************** ********* Listed below is a list of genealogical micro fiche we sell to idividuals. 1 - International Genealogical Index (IGI) which is an index of names with one generation links. (ie: parent-child, husband-wife) These sell for .15 cents a fiche. They can be purchases in sets ranging from the entire IGI to specific countries to specific states/counties. 2 - Family History Library Catalog (FHLC) which is a catalog of our holdings some of which are books and others microfilm. This is also available at a cost of .15 cents per fiche. They can also be purchased in large or small groups. Both the IGI and FHLC are available at the Family History Centers to be viewed. Both also require an microfiche reader if you wish to purchase them. These fiche are available through mail order. Just send your name and mailing address to me and I will send you a packet of information, instructions and order forms. Susan Wilhelm, Outside Sales SWilhelm@chq.byu.edu ----------

Hi All, Here is the answer about buying the IGI. Send questions to Susan, her e-mail address is at the bottom of the information. Joan **************************************************************************** ********* Listed below is a list of genealogical micro fiche we sell to idividuals. 1 - International Genealogical Index (IGI) which is an index of names with one generation links. (ie: parent-child, husband-wife) These sell for .15 cents a fiche. They can be purchases in sets ranging from the entire IGI to specific countries to specific states/counties. 2 - Family History Library Catalog (FHLC) which is a catalog of our holdings some of which are books and others microfilm. This is also available at a cost of .15 cents per fiche. They can also be purchased in large or small groups. Both the IGI and FHLC are available at the Family History Centers to be viewed. Both also require an microfiche reader if you wish to purchase them. These fiche are available through mail order. Just send your name and mailing address to me and I will send you a packet of information, instructions and order forms. Susan Wilhelm, Outside Sales SWilhelm@chq.byu.edu ----------

For the FH Research Handbook write directly to "Jeannette H. Austin" <jha@mindspring.com>. Another good reference on FHC's is Dear Myrtle's "Using LDS Family History Centers" at http://www.ancestry.com/home/academy.htm. I have recently begun publication of an email Family History Center News. This was begun as an aid to church members in our three-stake family history center area, but others have also subscribed. I am hoping to share ideas with FHC workers and also provide helps for patrons using the center. -- Ileen Johnson <ileenj@sisna.com> Geneva Heights Family History Center, http://users.sisna.com/ileenj/

Hello, Michele! I saw your posting to the list and agree that the the Ancestral File was supposed to have begun with the 4-generation family group sheets we were all encouraged to submit in the late 1970's and early 1980's. My husband had only been a member of the church for a year or so and we were newly married when we sat down and put the information together to submit to our ward genealogy person. All of the information did indeed appear in the first version of Ancestral File. Do you happen to have any idea when the next updated version of the Ancestral File will be out and available to use in the FHCs? I am actually a consultant in a FHC here in Orem, Utah but have not been able to get any information on this as yet. Also, someone told me that the AF and IGI were available for purchase. Have you heard anything about this at all? Just thought I would check. ;) Thanks a bunch! Elaine Corson elainec@stinger.net http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/5637 JCBrooks@aol.com wrote: > Hi > > I don't think anything from the Patron Family Group Sheets > was ever entered into the Ancestral File, only stuff that was sent in > specifically for the AF. And now they only accept stuff on disk for the > AF. We hear people say all the time, "But we sent in the 4-generation FGS > years ago. Why aren't they in the AF?" The answer is because they were > never entered in the AF. > > I disagree...that's where the original database came from. I remember the > first time I downloaded some of it...there were 13-15 children per family > because the little old volunteer typists kept hitting enter when they were > working ...there were LOTS of errors on those. But I was given to understand > at the FHL that's where the original stuff came from. > > Of course it was a brilliant idea...in the "olden days" you had to go search > through those big binders and pull your famly group sheets and have them > photocopied....the wear and tear was impossible, it was horribly time- > consuming, and some people just took the originals home!!! The AF ws a great > idea. > > I will look forward to the new AF.....I submitted my stuff last year > (again)...so hopefully it will be there. > > Michele Brooks > >>

I use Ancestral Quest and have overall found it much easier than PAF. I have not tried scanning, but there is that capability, at least with photos. I don't find a need to use PAF for anything anymore. My brother-in-law uses Family Tree Maker--and reports similar success. These are PAF compatible. Hope it helps. Robert ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: JCBrooks@aol.com Subject: [HANDCART-L] Software Date: 08/06/1998 03:53pm I am about ready to scream....I have been using PAF 2.31 for what seems like forever and thought I'd better upgrade to 3.0. I hesitated because of the glitches but was assured that 3.0M would fix all that. So I downloaded all my info into 3.0...and started adding more....such as completed temple data, etc. and a few new families I researched recently. I am SOOOOOOOO frustrated with 3.0......you can't default, you can't insert without hitting a special key each time, the ditto function is a pain in the neck...and the family group sheet print outs are UGLY....and I can't get rid of all those useless notes that I don't even have..it just prints extra pages with names. The PAF Companion is also a pain in the next....the family group sheets require so much paper...my personal family has four kids...it used to take one page to print it..now it takes two. that's not a big deal unless you have a 30000 name database like I do and want to print out. So, what software have all of you LDS researchers turned to that is user friendly and allows for TempleReady? I had hoped to do a book someday and get a scanner...which software imports those things well? Ideas...opinions? Michele Brooks

Lynda, here are a couple of minor corrections to your answer below. (1) the Patron Family Group Sheets have been moved from the main FHL over to the Joseph Smith Memorial Building, but are still available, just not in the FHL; and (2) I don't think anything from the Patron Family Group Sheets was ever entered into the Ancestral File, only stuff that was sent in specifically for the AF. And now they only accept stuff on disk for the AF. We hear people say all the time, "But we sent in the 4-generation FGS years ago. Why aren't they in the AF?" The answer is because they were never entered in the AF. BTW, we heard yesterday at the BYU Genealogy/Family History Conference that the new AF version will contain 35 million names and will be out during the first quarter of 1999. (But don't hold your breath for it!) Don Snow At 09:00 AM 8/7/98 -0400, Durfee_Lynda@tmac.com wrote: >The article didn't mention that many of the IGI records were extracted from old >Family Group Records and temple index cards. The film number and other source >information will tell you that. Nearly all (but not 100%) of the records you >find on the Scottish Parish Register CD are in the IGI. Many extractions are >from published family genealogies. Some of my RI ancestors are in the IGI 5 or >6 times, from FGRs, vital record extractions and published books. I guess >they're sealed pretty tight! > >Back in the old days (30+ years ago when I started doing family history), you'd >get request forms from the GSU (now FHL), send them in (up to 5 at a time), and >the GSU would send a photocopy of the temple index card and/or family group >sheet. The name and address of the submitter, along with notes and other >information not shown in the IGI record, was often on the sheet. On the index >card, the names of the persons serving as proxy were often named. Later, all >these sheets were microfilmed alphabetically. Then, you would go to a FHC and >order the film containing the surname you were looking for. > >The main FHL in SLC (as far as I know) has all of these old family group sheet >(now called FGRs) films. Many of the local FHC have a good number of these. I >understand the information from these was also copied into Ancestral File >(without notes, of course). When the FHCs got computers, they kept these >loaner films. The FHC I volunteer at has several drawers of these. If your >local FHC has them, it may be worth a look, especially if you find a FGR with >reference information. > >One hint in using the IGI. When you use the parent search to find additional >children, look for variants on the parents' names. Especially with >birth/christenings extracted from church records, you might find the parents >recorded differently. For example: > >John Illingworth and Betty >John Illingworth and Elizabeth >Jno Illingworth (no mother) > >For this surname, I'd also look under Ellingworth. They are not coded the same >in the SOUNDEX nor grouped together in the IGI. If you have a surname starting >with a vowel, check for similar variants. > Dr. Donald R. Snow, Dept of Math, Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah 84602 (801) 378-2366, snowd@math.byu.edu

In a message dated 8/7/98 11:51:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, elainec@stinger.net writes: << I just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate everyone's response to my questions regarding the availability of the IGI to purchase and the next arrival of Ancestral File. This is really a wonderful group to belong to. Hope you all have a terrific weekend! >> This discussion of IGI, AF and LDS oriented software is a new turn for this group...but an appreciated one. With a mostly LDS audience, we have many of the same concerns and needs with our research and software use. Thanks for everyone's help. Michele

In a message dated 8/7/98 11:01:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Durfee_Lynda@tmac.com writes: << By the way, AF/IGI, etc. are now available outside FHCs, such as public libraries, historical societies, etc. In the Washington DC area, both the DAR library in DC and the Genealogical room at the Fairfax Co. library in Fairfax city have the CDs. You can also order FHL films for viewing at the DAR library. I don't know if these non-FHC libraries lease or own the software and CDs. >> Interesting....are they using non-ordinance version? You may notice that the new Family Search menu has the IGI without ordinances and you have to go under LDS Options to get to the old type one. Michele

I talked to a friend at the FHL last night and she said that Famly Tree Maker doesn't put the ordinance data on the group sheet..it puts it in the notes. I like the old PAF format with everything on one sheet...and less paper usage. What does Family Origins, Legacy and Ancestral Quest do with the ordinance data?? Some people mentioned that certain program list the ordinance data right on the screen when you are editing. Old PAF 2.31 did....new PAF does too. Michele

The article didn't mention that many of the IGI records were extracted from old Family Group Records and temple index cards. The film number and other source information will tell you that. Nearly all (but not 100%) of the records you find on the Scottish Parish Register CD are in the IGI. Many extractions are from published family genealogies. Some of my RI ancestors are in the IGI 5 or 6 times, from FGRs, vital record extractions and published books. I guess they're sealed pretty tight! Back in the old days (30+ years ago when I started doing family history), you'd get request forms from the GSU (now FHL), send them in (up to 5 at a time), and the GSU would send a photocopy of the temple index card and/or family group sheet. The name and address of the submitter, along with notes and other information not shown in the IGI record, was often on the sheet. On the index card, the names of the persons serving as proxy were often named. Later, all these sheets were microfilmed alphabetically. Then, you would go to a FHC and order the film containing the surname you were looking for. The main FHL in SLC (as far as I know) has all of these old family group sheet (now called FGRs) films. Many of the local FHC have a good number of these. I understand the information from these was also copied into Ancestral File (without notes, of course). When the FHCs got computers, they kept these loaner films. The FHC I volunteer at has several drawers of these. If your local FHC has them, it may be worth a look, especially if you find a FGR with reference information. One hint in using the IGI. When you use the parent search to find additional children, look for variants on the parents' names. Especially with birth/christenings extracted from church records, you might find the parents recorded differently. For example: John Illingworth and Betty John Illingworth and Elizabeth Jno Illingworth (no mother) For this surname, I'd also look under Ellingworth. They are not coded the same in the SOUNDEX nor grouped together in the IGI. If you have a surname starting with a vowel, check for similar variants.

In a message dated 8/7/98 9:16:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, elainec@stinger.net writes: << Do you happen to have any idea when the next updated version of the Ancestral File will be out and available to use in the FHCs? I am actually a consultant in a FHC here in Orem, Utah but have not been able to get any information on this as yet. Also, someone told me that the AF and IGI were available for purchase. Have you heard anything about this at all? Just thought I would check. ;) >> I'm no expert.....but one brother just reported via this list that at the BYU Genealogy Conference they said first quarter of 1999 that a new AF would come out....but you know how they are always delayed on those things. About the AF for purchase....I doubt that will happen....I think that there were too many unhappy campers after they extracted the Holocaust victims....some non LDS have vehement objections to temple work being done and IGI might be a poke in the nose to them. Also, by having folks come to the FHL, it is a missionary opportunity. But I'm no expert. I think there were beta copies of some of these distributed for testing, and discussion of sales, but it never happened....probably got nixed at the GA level. Michele

Hi I don't think anything from the Patron Family Group Sheets was ever entered into the Ancestral File, only stuff that was sent in specifically for the AF. And now they only accept stuff on disk for the AF. We hear people say all the time, "But we sent in the 4-generation FGS years ago. Why aren't they in the AF?" The answer is because they were never entered in the AF. I disagree...that's where the original database came from. I remember the first time I downloaded some of it...there were 13-15 children per family because the little old volunteer typists kept hitting enter when they were working ...there were LOTS of errors on those. But I was given to understand at the FHL that's where the original stuff came from. Of course it was a brilliant idea...in the "olden days" you had to go search through those big binders and pull your famly group sheets and have them photocopied....the wear and tear was impossible, it was horribly time- consuming, and some people just took the originals home!!! The AF ws a great idea. I will look forward to the new AF.....I submitted my stuff last year (again)...so hopefully it will be there. Michele Brooks >>

Hi Back in the old days (30+ years ago when I started doing family history), you'd get request forms from the GSU (now FHL), send them in (up to 5 at a time), and the GSU would send a photocopy of the temple index card and/or family group sheet. TIB Requests!!! Boy do I remember those..isn't it amazing how must faster things have gotten? And remember the only way to contact others was through the Everton's Genealogical Helper or small and obscure magazines published by local researching groups......we are so spoiled with the email lists we now have...and online databases. The main FHL in SLC (as far as I know) has all of these old family group sheet (now called FGRs) films. I think they have put the originals back out in public over in the Joseph Smith Building (Hotel Utah). Michele Brooks

Hi all, Charles D.Degener sent this lesson to me from the Ancestry.com site. I knew that site would have some wonderful info and it did! Thanks Charles! I truly appreciate it and know that this answers the original question on the IGI. I found this refreshing and informative even though I have been searching through the IGI for years. Those of you new to genealogy and the IGI in specific will find this worthwhile to print up and take with you when you go to your local FHC to find those records ;) Terri ------------------------------------------------------- LESSON #2 THE INTERNATIONAL GENEALOGICAL INDEX ­ IGI (revised 6/97) DearREADERS, Genealogists visiting a local LDS Family History Center must begin by checking all known previously submitted research. One great source is the International Genealogical Index or IGI. The IGI is the single largest genealogical database of names in the world. It consists of names submitted, for any time period, since the Genealogical Society of Utah began to keep computerized records in October 1969. Each LDS Family History Center has a copy of the IGI, which is published on microfiche every 4th year. It is also available on CD-ROM for those centers equipped with FamilySearch (tm) computer systems. Currently there are over 187 million names in the main IGI. HOW TO USE THE IGI? Assuming there is a run on computer time at your local Family History Center, let's discuss the microfiche version of the IGI first. 1. Look for the correct LOCALITY. Suppose that your GGfather was born in Pennsylvania. You would go to the IGI fiche for PENNSYLVANIA. If your GGfather was born in PA, married in OHIO and died in MISSOURI you would have THREE states to look for him! Leaf through the fiche 'til you: 2. Locate the nearest SURNAME at the top fiche label. If the next fiche alphabetically is not the correct surname, you know to use the previous one. There are over 16,000 names on each fiche! Look up the name the way you expect it to be spelled, and if it is not filed that way, the IGI will tell you which spelling to use! Remember we have records from all over the world. The FHL chose the most common spelling of a name, and interfiles all sound-alike surnames under that main spelling. If you were to look up your ancestor under one of the less common spellings it refers you to the common speeling! For instance...all STEVENSONS may be filed under STEVENSEN along with STEPHENSON or STEPHENSEN, etc. This is wonderful! Otherwise, you'd have to think of every possible spelling of your surname and look in each of those places! interfiling variant surname spelling eliminates the possibility of missing your ancestor in this huge database of names. Once you have found the correct fiche: Notice that the IGI lists the information in columns as follows: 1.Name of the individual 2.Name of parents or spouse 3.Male/Female (if birth or H=husband/W=wife if marriage) 4.Type of event. One digit letters indicate the type of record such as: •  b = birth record •  c = christening record •  m = marriage •  d = death •  p = probate record •  n = census record. You are reminded of these abbreviations on each page of the IGI: •  Event Date •  County, City or Town    (Remember we already chose the state before looking for the surname in Pennsylvania.) •  LDS Baptism Date •  LDS Endowment Date •  LDS Sealing Date The last two columns of the IGI give information as to the batch number (of supporting documents) which were used to enter the data into the IGI in the first place. HOW DO NAMES GET INTO THE IGI? Just because your ancestor wasn't a member of the LDS church doesn't mean he won't appear on the International Genealogical Index. It merely means that one of your ancestor's other living relatives has possibly submitted the name to the IGI. There is a second way names get into this huge genealogical database. Through names extracted from original records, such as census or church records. I have participated in such a "name extraction program" extracting information on Mexico Catholic church christening records form 1680. (That was fun deciphering the handwriting!) This program has provisions for a system of checks and balances, so that two if not three people view each christening record and type the details into a computer program. Once you find an entry in the IGI for someone on your pedigree chart, copy the information. For those centers without microfiche reader/printers, you may use an IGI extraction form, complete with rows and labeled column headings. PHOTO-DUPLICATION REQUEST FORM No research project is complete without the supporting documents in hand. It is possible to get copies of documents which prompted the IGI entry using the photo duplication form also available at the LDS Family History Center. Such copies can prove most enlightening! I have received a photocopy of an original family group sheet which lists other members of the family not mentioned. It was the IGI entry was called a "marriage entry form" of my ggfather in PA. It had an attached family group sheet which listed the known children of the marriage as well as info on his birth in New York. His parents were also listed! Additionally, the family group sheet would have the name/address/phone # of the person who submitted the form. If they are still residing at the location indicated, you may share info with them via mail!! Other supporting documents might include such things as entries extracted from a microfilm of the christening record of a given church, microfilm of a county's probate records. Generally since the name extraction program involves original records, and the double bind system, we consider them to be more accurate than patron entries. When you complete the photo duplication form and send it to Salt Lake City, a worker in the main FHL Family History Library looks at the film and photocopies the pages regarding your ancestor! In the case of extracted entries, you can get very excited, because you'll usually receive a photocopy of the actual record of the event, not here-say notations or family tradition! On occasion, the photocopy you will receive is merely a computer printout of the data that was entered in the extraction computers, showing the page where you ancestor's information is listed. This checking of the IGI saves tons of time when previous research has been done on you ancestor! If you don't find your actual ancestor...but find others with the same surname (hopefully not Smith) in the same small county or town. It is a good idea to get the additional supporting documentation, because they are likely cousins of some sort of your actual ancestor! Sometimes...after exhausting all possible avenues, we have to turn to such cousins to trace the line back. Question: When you say these records are from all over the world, do you mean that I can get info about ancestors in Germany? Answer: Yes. There could be patron or extracted entries. This grows each year, so check it whenever a new version comes out! Question: How much does the photo duplication cost? Answer: About 25 cents per exposure....$2 minimum order. Question: Is there a fee for using a LDS Family History Center? Answer: No, each LDS Family History Center is operating as a non-profit organization. If you need to order a microfilm on your area, which is not already on loan from the main Family History Library in Salt Lake City, there is a small fee of $3.50 or so to rent the film! The microfilm/fiche viewers are there to be of use to you in your research for free. Question: Do they loan materials for home use, or strictly in the Center? Answer: Since the LDS Family History Centers are strictly reference libraries, materials must be kept at each center. Question: Is the CD-ROM version of the IGI much different from the fiche version? Answer: It is more readily updated. There is currently one addendum which comprises several CD-ROMS. USING THE CD-ROM VERSION OF THE IGI Many LDS FamilyHistory Centers have been equipped with FamilySearch(tm) computer systems that can read the CD-ROM version of the IGI. There is the main IGI, and the addendum IGI. Be sure to check both for each of your ancestors. Begin by choosing the locality (all US or British Isles, etc.) where your ancestors once lived. Then type the surname and given name of your ancestor, in order to see that alphabetical portion of the IGI database. You will be instructed what CD-ROM to insert in the drive. However, in addition to this individual search there is a parents search option available. If you find one ancestor, with parents listed, go to the parent search option to discover all known children of that couple. When you do find information on your ancestor in the IGI on CD-ROM you can make a paper print-out of the information, a text file copy to floppy disk and a GEDCOM file to floppy disk. The disks are a minimal 75 cents. The text file can be read by your word processing program at home. The GEDCOM file can be imported into your existing genealogy management program on your home computer. Sincerely, Myrtle :) Additional reading: Cerny, Johni & Elliott, Wendy, editors, THE LIBRARY: A Guide to the LDS Family History Library, 1988. pp10-14 Salt Lake: Ancestry Publishing. LDS Family History Library, Research Outline: Using the IGI on Microfiche IBID, Research Outline: Using the IGI on CD-ROM ————————————  DearMYRTLE  ———————————— is a daily genealogy column (KEYWORD: dearmyrtle) published on America Online in the Genealogy Forum and at Ancestry.com http://www.ancestry.com. Due to the volume of e-mail, Myrt is unable to respond to each individually. Representative samples are used as a basis for articles from time to time. Contact DearMYRTLE at: dearmyrtle@aol.com or dearmyrtle@ancestry-inc.com ————————— copyright 1998 Ancestry All  Rights Reserved——————————

I have a lot of friends in the computer geneaology field and the advice I have from my most trusted associate is to keep your eye on "Legacy". The last release was good but she is working with them to make the next release what genealogists really want. It is LDS based and has some marvelous features, makes temple submissions and is Windows based. I have had friends who have used and enjoyed Family Origins for years and really like it. I have uses Ancestral Quest, I own it as it came with the suite, but I do not really like it, honestly, though it does have the advantage of sharing data files with paf. As I always say, when asked my opinion of software, the real question is what you want to be able to do with it. Do you need media compatibility, etc, do you need to store pictures? . That is what to ask yourself - what do you need and want to be able to do with your records. Laurie lcastillo@itsnet.com

I use PAF and the companion and don't seem to have the problems you are having. Have you called the support number or the e-mail address for help?

Hi Michele, I use Ancestral Quest. It is the one that comes with the cd on the LDS FAmily History Suite. I know that it is compatible with the older version of PAF and not with newer version. That's why I haven't upgraded to the newest version of PAF ;) Ancestral Quest is coming out with an upgrade (promised sometime this month) and should be fully compatible with the new version of PAF. It is user friendly, lets you print a book with your current data and an ahnataphel (sp) format and is sooooooo easy to use. The only drawback is that you must create a gedcom for Temple Ready, but this isn't a problem if I just use PAF on doing the Temple Ready. I am sure that there are some other good programs out there, but this one is from an LDS base company and was designed to be the PAF for Windows. My version right now doesn't accept newer versions of gedcoms, so that is also one drawback. However, the upgrade should take care of that. I just take the gedcoms to my church computer and use the new version of PAF to exchange the gedcom to a lower version of PAF. So, holler back at me if you would like more info on this good program. Terri At 03:53 PM 8/6/98 EDT, JCBrooks@aol.com wrote: >I am about ready to scream....I have been using PAF 2.31 for what seems like >forever and thought I'd better upgrade to 3.0. I hesitated because of the >glitches but was assured that 3.0M would fix all that. So I downloaded all my >info into 3.0...and started adding more....such as completed temple data, etc. >and a few new families I researched recently. > >I am SOOOOOOOO frustrated with 3.0......you can't default, you can't insert >without hitting a special key each time, the ditto function is a pain in the >neck...and the family group sheet print outs are UGLY....and I can't get rid >of all those useless notes that I don't even have..it just prints extra pages >with names. The PAF Companion is also a pain in the next....the family group >sheets require so much paper...my personal family has four kids...it used to >take one page to print it..now it takes two. that's not a big deal unless you >have a 30000 name database like I do and want to print out. > >So, what software have all of you LDS researchers turned to that is user >friendly and allows for TempleReady? >I had hoped to do a book someday and get a scanner...which software imports >those things well? > >Ideas...opinions? > >Michele Brooks >

I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't want to convert to PAF 3.0 I, too, have 26K names on the hard disk and several floppies with other PAF files. I'm a ward family history counselor, and I hate using 3.0 because it doesn't have some of my favorite shortcuts and features. For example, in PAF 2.31, you can print a sorted list starting with a specified RIN or MRIN number. This is really useful when you've added a GEDCOM. You print all the names starting with the last one before you added the GEDCOM; this gives you a RIN order list of all your new records. Under 3.0, you have to specify the PAGE you want to print. How in the heck is someone supposed to figure out what page record #19,999 will appear on? PAF 3.0 doesn't have SOUNDEX search anymore. This is really handy when you're going to do census searches. For example, I printed a family group record with the names of ten children and the husbands of the daughters. I got this from names in a partition suit (to divide up a piece of land among the heirs). Next to each daughter's name, I wrote in the SOUNDEX code for the husband. When I went to the library at lunch today, I just zipped through the microfilm reels, since I didn't have to stop and figure out the codes. I realize that in today's Windows environment, PAF was going to have to change in order to compete with more commercial programs, but I was perfectly happy with the old PAF! At only $15, it's easily within reach just about everyone. There are some PAF utilities that allow you to print books and do descendancies in standard numbering formats. I haven't bought one before now because I was trying to decide whether to upgrade to 3.0. I only hope that the FHCs will continue to allow users to create GEDCOMS in either 3.0 or 2.31 and lower. ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: [HANDCART-L] Software Author: JCBrooks@aol.com Date: 8/6/98 3:53 PM I am about ready to scream....I have been using PAF 2.31 for what seems like forever and thought I'd better upgrade to 3.0. I hesitated because of the glitches but was assured that 3.0M would fix all that. So I downloaded all my info into 3.0...and started adding more....such as completed temple data, etc. and a few new families I researched recently. I am SOOOOOOOO frustrated with 3.0......you can't default, you can't insert without hitting a special key each time, the ditto function is a pain in the neck...and the family group sheet print outs are UGLY....and I can't get rid of all those useless notes that I don't even have..it just prints extra pages with names. The PAF Companion is also a pain in the next....the family group sheets require so much paper...my personal family has four kids...it used to take one page to print it..now it takes two. that's not a big deal unless you have a 30000 name database like I do and want to print out. So, what software have all of you LDS researchers turned to that is user friendly and allows for TempleReady? I had hoped to do a book someday and get a scanner...which software imports those things well? Ideas...opinions? Michele Brooks Received: from sirius.tmac.com (192.206.250.5) by ccmail.tmac.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 00003449; Thu, 6 Aug 98 15:53:08 -0400 Received: from fp-1.rootsweb.com (fp-1.rootsweb.com [207.113.233.233]) by sirius.tmac.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA08071 for <Durfee_Lynda@tmac.com>; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 15:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by fp-1.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA10553; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:55:14 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:55:14 -0700 (PDT) From: JCBrooks@aol.com Message-ID: <1469c6f9.35ca09cb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 15:53:43 EDT Old-To: jensenet@vii.com, HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Subject: [HANDCART-L] Software Resent-Message-ID: <"wTzbWD.A.qgC.Zogy1"@fp-1.rootsweb.com> To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/907 X-Loop: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: HANDCART-L-request@rootsweb.com

I wonder if there are ward/branch records available for Green River/Blake/Elgin for that period. These records often note deaths. I've looked at ward/branch records for the 1870s-early 1900s for other places, and most can be found on microlfilm from the FHL. Have you checked the FHL catalog for church/vital records for that area? If you REALLY had lots of time, you could check the 1870/1880/1900 censuses, note families living in the area, then search in Ancestral File, looking for people who died or were buried in those towns. This would require a lot of work, but there may not have been many families there 1870-1880. ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: [HANDCART-L] Old Green River Cemetery (UTAH) Author: Joanne Ekker <jekker@fs1.co.emery.ut.us> Date: 8/6/98 1:59 PM Help, help! My project is an old cemetery in Green River UTAH. The records have been lost over time. As far as I can tell it started 1865 to 1930. The cemetery was actually closed in 1926, however it was reopened at least once to keep family members together. If you have decendants from the Green River area. Especially if you have records of them death. I need to here from you. Green River was once called Blake. Our town is divided by the river, that side of town was called Elgin. Also Green River is located in 2 counties so watch for EMERY and GRAND counties. And before 1880 it was San Pete County. If you can help I'd be so grateful. Received: from sirius.tmac.com (192.206.250.5) by ccmail.tmac.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 00003485; Thu, 6 Aug 98 16:12:56 -0400 Received: from fp-1.rootsweb.com (fp-1.rootsweb.com [207.113.233.233]) by sirius.tmac.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id QAA08328 for <Durfee_Lynda@tmac.com>; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by fp-1.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA01235; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35CA0B1D.99A@ecc.co.emery.ut.us> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 13:59:25 -0600 From: Joanne Ekker <jekker@fs1.co.emery.ut.us> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: Handcart-l@rootsweb.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [HANDCART-L] Old Green River Cemetery (UTAH) Resent-Message-ID: <"gK0XZB.A.VS.W7gy1"@fp-1.rootsweb.com> To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/908 X-Loop: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: HANDCART-L-request@rootsweb.com