Hello all! I am forwarding this for T. Whistler who is having a little trouble posting to the list. If you would like to get in touch with her please use her e-mail address below. Have a great week! Elaine T. Whistler wrote: I am new to genealogy and need lots of help!! After reading the helpful messages on this newsgroup, I know this is the place to get it!! I believe my BAILEY ancestors were in the group that was the first Mormon settlement in TX just south (?) of Dallas/Ft. Worth. At least a member of the church from that area is related to the Pres. Wm. Henry and Benj. Harrison and so am I. He cannot find his records and I am getting desperate! I need to research ALL of these names: BAILEY, HARRISON, KEMP, HATCHET, MENGE, and LUCHAU. Except possibly the first one, I don't know that any of the others were members of the Church. I have some info on Luchau, but very little on any of the others. If you can help, please email me at talonwhisler@itlnet.net. Thank you very much. T. Whisler

In a message dated 8/10/98 12:27:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, CThomas717@aol.com writes: << I do not know if Palmyra, Wisconsin was a Mormon community or not dought it. But the Mormon church has been doing family history work for over 150 years. there lib. would be a good place to look. They have Lib. all over the world. >> Many of the Michigan and Wisconsin towns were founded by former residents of New York...it seems to have been a natural migration pattern. While LDS think of Palmyra as LDS because of our history there...it certainly was a town like any other town in that people of all faiths and occupations lived there and some moved on. On the other hand, if this Palmyra was founded during the Nauvoo period when LDS went up the Mississippi to begin pineries to supply lumber for the building of the city, then it is possible that there could have been an LDS influence. However I was under the impression that those were pretty much logging camps. I believe there was an offshoot group after the death of Joseph Smith which headed north to establish themselves....but I am unsure of their exact location..and they certainly didn't last long. Michele Brooks

Searching the web, I discovered that what I thought was a parish in the Civil Registration Index is actually a registration district. For the part of Cornwall I was searching, there are about a dozen parishes in the St. Austell registration district, including the parish of Tywardreath. So if you use this index, you may need to know the name of the district that includes the parish. I found a map of the district under the Cornwall page on a UK web site from Cyndi's list. Hope that helps. Cyndi's list has connections to thousands of genealogical web sites. http://www.cyndislist.com

This message contains some experience with British records in the 1800s: Civil Register Index, 1851 census CD-ROM and 1881 census index. The information is probably not 100% accurate, but based on what I recall from using these sources. If anyone has additional information and/or corrections, just jump in! Civil Register Index I visited a large local FHC last night and discovered that fiche is available for civil registration indices for England and Wales from the 1830s and up (I think to 1979?). You will find the entire collection only at large local FHCs. It filled about two fiche file drawers. I assume you could order individual fiches the same way you do other fiches. These indices may be helpful in finding birth, death and marriage records for pioneer English and Welsh ancestors. After they converted, British Mormons obviously weren't getting married or having their children baptized in the Church of England, so we don't find records in the parish registers. The indices are alphabetical by quarter of the year (i.e., 1st quarter ending March 1860 covers Jan, Feb. & March). The index has the name, place (town or parish, I think), volume and page number, but not the county. I guess you'd then have to write for a copy of the actual record if you want actual date and names of parents. I was in a hurry, so I didn't check the catalog to see if any of the actual registration books have been microfilmed. I don't think so. I was looking for the family of a cousin's husband in the late 1860s and 1870s. As I had approximate birth dates from the 1900 US census, all I needed was verification from the index. Of four children, two of the census dates were in the correct quarter for the index; two born late in the quarter were found in the next quarter's index. I had already found the older three of the four in the IGI for parish christenings. I suspect that the indices are more complete later in the 1800s than at the beginning, but it's worth the try to look. Even if you don't write for the record, the index listing will serve as an approximate date and actual place. You should cross-check the name of the bride, if known, to verify you have the correct groom. Both brides and grooms are in the same index by surname. Of course, if your surname is SMITH or JONES, it might not be so easy! 1851 British Census on CD-ROM As advertised, this only covers three counties. I tested it anyway. You can search for individuals or heads of family. The whole family can be pulled up. This is unlike the 1881 indices, where you might miss family members if you don't have the names of all the children. 1881 British Census Index This gives the name, age, sex, marital status, census place, name of head of household, occupation, parish and county of birth, and film and page number. The indices are by county, sorted three ways: surname, place of birth (the 3rd I don't remember!) This source is obviously too late for pioneer ancestors, but might be useful in finding parents and siblings who didn't emigrate.

Linda I do not know if Palmyra, Wisconsin was a Mormon community or not dought it. But the Mormon church has been doing family history work for over 150 years. there lib. would be a good place to look. They have Lib. all over the world. Laura

Could someone tell me if Palmyra, Wisconsin was a Mormon community? It's in the southeast part of the state. A family in my line migrated to Wisconsin and lived in two small communities near Palmyra. I am not sure whether or not they were Mormon, but several other close relatives were. These folks who moved from NY have been hard to track down! Thanks. Linda

I am new to this list and to be very honest am not sure exactly what it is all about. I shall begin by saying that I am descended from a number of pioneer families that joined the church in the early days and came west to Salt Lake. Some of the pioneer families I descend from are Oviatt, Grover and Workman. After their arrival in Salt Lake the families settled in Farmington, Utah and Parker, Idaho before the children and grandchildren began branching out into other areas of the continent. My grandfather and his brother travelled north to Canada, first arriving in Cardston, the site of the Alberta Temple, and continuing north about 200 or so miles to settle in Stavely, Alberta. From there my grandfather and grandmother had 15 children, 52 grandchildren and who knows how many others after that. All I know is that we number into the hundreds when we have family reunions. We are trying to get all the genealogy organized for their descendants, but it is becoming much easier said than done. I would be most interested in hearing more of these families and their travels across the prairies to the Salt Lake valley. I do have a few stories on their travels, which I would be willing to share if anyone is interested, but am sure that other stories do exist. Thanks for your time. Steve Johansson Okotoks, Alberta, Canada

Thank goodness someone else is having problems contacting this lady. I have been trying to reply to a message to myself from Susan now for several days. I shall watch Handcart for the new address Marie NZ

This note from Don Snow, BYU re: Next Ancestral File Release: BTW, we heard yesterday at the BYU Genealogy/Family History Conference that the new AF version will contain 35 million names and will be out during the first quarter of 1999. (But don't hold your breath for it!) HANDCART-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Subject: > > HANDCART-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 146 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Re:[HANDCART-L] Fw: IGI for sale - [Durfee_Lynda@tmac.com] > #2 Re: [HANDCART-L] Fw: IGI for sale [JCBrooks@aol.com] > #3 [HANDCART-L] IGI ["Joan Thomson" <thomson@cardina.ne] > #4 [HANDCART-L] Re: IGI and AF [Elaine <elainec@stinger.net>] > #5 Re: [HANDCART-L] Re: IGI and AF [JCBrooks@aol.com] > #6 Re: [HANDCART-L] Answer on IGI ["Karen Bush" <vkbush@dcaccess.com>] > #7 RE: [HANDCART-L] Answer on IGI [Charla Jensen <Charla.Jensen@digit] > #8 [HANDCART-L] IGI/AF/Fiche [Robert Speakman <rlsdoc@pol.net>] > #9 Re: [HANDCART-L] IGI/AF/Fiche ["Jerry & Laurie E. Castillo" <lcas] > #10 [HANDCART-L] AF problems ["Jerald R. Thompson" <Jerald@pdqne] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from HANDCART-D, send a message to > > HANDCART-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re:[HANDCART-L] Fw: IGI for sale -Reply > Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:55:59 -0400 > From: Durfee_Lynda@tmac.com > To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com > > I'd never given much thought to the fact that, when ordering fiche through the > FHC at 15 cents each, the fiche are actually purchased. I'm most, if not all, > FHCs put them in the file drawers in the appropriate category. It never > occurred to me that the fiche might be the property of the patron who paid for > it. Of course, FHCs have complete IGI fiche sets, so most people have no reason > to order IGI fiche. I guess you could always take (your) fiche to a public > library that had fiche readers to use them outside FHCs. > > By the way, AF/IGI, etc. are now available outside FHCs, such as public > libraries, historical societies, etc. In the Washington DC area, both the DAR > library in DC and the Genealogical room at the Fairfax Co. library in Fairfax > city have the CDs. You can also order FHL films for viewing at the DAR library. > I don't know if these non-FHC libraries lease or own the software and CDs. > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > Subject: [HANDCART-L] Fw: IGI for sale -Reply > Author: <thomson@cardina.net> > Date: 8/7/98 1:29 PM > > Hi All, > Here is the answer about buying the IGI. Send questions to Susan, her > e-mail address is at the bottom of the information. > Joan > **************************************************************************** > ********* > > Listed below is a list of genealogical micro fiche we sell to idividuals. > > 1 - International Genealogical Index (IGI) which is an index of names with > one generation links. (ie: parent-child, husband-wife) These sell for .15 > cents a fiche. They can be purchases in sets ranging from the entire IGI > to specific countries to specific states/counties. > > 2 - Family History Library Catalog (FHLC) which is a catalog of our > holdings some of which are books and others microfilm. This is also > available at a cost of .15 cents per fiche. They can also be purchased in > large or small groups. > > Both the IGI and FHLC are available at the Family History Centers to be > viewed. Both also require an microfiche reader if you wish to purchase > them. These fiche are available through mail order. Just send your name > and mailing address to me and I will send you a packet of information, > instructions and order forms. > > Susan Wilhelm, Outside Sales > SWilhelm@chq.byu.edu > ---------- > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [HANDCART-L] Fw: IGI for sale -Reply > Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:14:49 EDT > From: JCBrooks@aol.com > To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com > > In a message dated 8/7/98 11:01:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > Durfee_Lynda@tmac.com writes: > > << > By the way, AF/IGI, etc. are now available outside FHCs, such as public > libraries, historical societies, etc. In the Washington DC area, both the > DAR > library in DC and the Genealogical room at the Fairfax Co. library in Fairfax > city have the CDs. You can also order FHL films for viewing at the DAR > library. > I don't know if these non-FHC libraries lease or own the software and CDs. > >> > Interesting....are they using non-ordinance version? You may notice that the > new Family Search menu has the IGI without ordinances and you have to go under > LDS Options to get to the old type one. > > Michele > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [HANDCART-L] IGI > Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:19:44 -0400 > From: "Joan Thomson" <thomson@cardina.net> > To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com > > IGI fiche ordered from the FHC is not for sale, it stays in the FHC you > ordered from. You have to send to Susan as in the information sheet I sent. > Other fiche are not for sale. Susan can answer all your questions as she > handles all outside sales. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [HANDCART-L] Re: IGI and AF > Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 12:43:27 -0600 > From: Elaine <elainec@stinger.net> > To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com > > Hello to all! > > I just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate everyone's response > to my questions regarding the availability of the IGI to purchase and > the next arrival of Ancestral File. This is really a wonderful group to > belong to. Hope you all have a terrific weekend! > > Thanks a bunch! > > Elaine > elainec@stinger.net > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [HANDCART-L] Re: IGI and AF > Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:54:59 EDT > From: JCBrooks@aol.com > To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com > > In a message dated 8/7/98 11:51:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > elainec@stinger.net writes: > > << > I just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate everyone's response > to my questions regarding the availability of the IGI to purchase and > the next arrival of Ancestral File. This is really a wonderful group to > belong to. Hope you all have a terrific weekend! > >> > > This discussion of IGI, AF and LDS oriented software is a new turn for this > group...but an appreciated one. With a mostly LDS audience, we have many of > the same concerns and needs with our research and software use. > > Thanks for everyone's help. > > Michele > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [HANDCART-L] Answer on IGI > Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:31:08 -0700 > From: "Karen Bush" <vkbush@dcaccess.com> > To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: JCBrooks@aol.com <JCBrooks@aol.com> > To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com <HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 9:47 AM > Subject: Re: [HANDCART-L] Answer on IGI > > >In a message dated 8/7/98 9:16:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > >elainec@stinger.net writes: > > > ><< Do you > > happen to have any idea when the next updated version of the Ancestral > File > >will > > be out and available to use in the FHCs? I am actually a consultant in a > FHC > > here in Orem, Utah but have not been able to get any information on this > as > >yet. > > Also, someone told me that the AF and IGI were available for purchase. > Have > >you > > heard anything about this at all? Just thought I would check. ;) >> > > > >I'm no expert.....but one brother just reported via this list that at the > BYU > >Genealogy Conference they said first quarter of 1999 that a new AF would > come > >out....but you know how they are always delayed on those things. > > > >About the AF for purchase....I doubt that will happen....I think that there > >were too many unhappy campers after they extracted the Holocaust > >victims....some non LDS have vehement objections to temple work being done > and > >IGI might be a poke in the nose to them. Also, by having folks come to the > >FHL, it is a missionary opportunity. But I'm no expert. > > > > Actually Family Search can be purchased by family organizations, but the > cost is around $500. Family Search is now available through other > libraries. The New England Historical and Genealogical Society has it in > their library. The difference is that the LDS options (Ordinance Index) are > not included so that non-members organizations do not have to deal with > questions about temple work and LDS doctrines. > > The IGI on fiche has been available for purchase for many years by anyone. > > Karen Bush > vkbush@dcaccess.com > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: [HANDCART-L] Answer on IGI > Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 18:26:09 -0400 > From: Charla Jensen <Charla.Jensen@digital.com> > To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com > > I think some of the confusion about the relationship between the > 4-generation group sheets and the Ancestral File stems from the fact > that there were many 4-generation collections done several times by the > Church over the years. My grandparents turned in family sheets in the > 1920's and 1930's which were put in a special collection. There were a > series of 3rd and 4th generation calls for family group sheets through > the 1960's and early 1970's. The Brigham Young University library, for > example, has multiple sets of microfilm of these collections for those > years. None of these family group sheet collections were put into the > AF. > > Elaine is right about the last call for 4-generation sheets around 1980. > Those sheets where we turned in sets of a pedigree chart and related > family group sheets were the beginning of the AF. We were told to do > the research on these four generations and make them as correct and > complete as we could and to turn in more than 4 generations if we were > able. > > When the AF was released we were told that it was our responsibility to > make sure that the records were accurate. We can still do that today. > > The AF has been very helpful to my research over these years although > not always accurate. The information was far better than nothing. > > My biggest problem with the AF is the procedure that all new information > is matched and merged on similarity of names. This is a nuisance in > English-speaking countries, but in Scandinavian research where there > were basically 20 surnames, all of the research I have carefully > researched, documented, and submitted has been turned into a hopeless > tangle. Does anyone know who could convince the FHL that such automatic > matching and merging does not always make sense? My family is > complaining that they cannot find the thousands of names I did. They > are there - just in a very jumbled manner. > > Charla Jensen > COMPAQ > CST Information Research Services LKG1-2/J12 > Database Administrator (978) 506-6943 FAX (978) 506-6891 > Charla.Jensen@digital.com DTN 226-6943 DTN_FAX 226-6891 > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Elaine [SMTP:elainec@stinger.net] > > Sent: Friday, August 07, 1998 12:09 PM > > To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [HANDCART-L] Answer on IGI > > > > Hello, Michele! > > > > I saw your posting to the list and agree that the the Ancestral File > > was supposed > > to have begun with the 4-generation family group sheets we were all > > encouraged to > > submit in the late 1970's and early 1980's. My husband had only been > > a member of > > the church for a year or so and we were newly married when we sat down > > and put > > the information together to submit to our ward genealogy person. All > > of the > > information did indeed appear in the first version of Ancestral File. > > Do you > > happen to have any idea when the next updated version of the Ancestral > > File will > > be out and available to use in the FHCs? I am actually a consultant > > in a FHC > > here in Orem, Utah but have not been able to get any information on > > this as yet. > > Also, someone told me that the AF and IGI were available for purchase. > > Have you > > heard anything about this at all? Just thought I would check. ;) > > > > Thanks a bunch! > > > > Elaine Corson > > elainec@stinger.net > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/5637 > > > > > > JCBrooks@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Hi > > > > > > I don't think anything from the Patron Family Group Sheets > > > was ever entered into the Ancestral File, only stuff that was sent > > in > > > specifically for the AF. And now they only accept stuff on disk > > for the > > > AF. We hear people say all the time, "But we sent in the > > 4-generation FGS > > > years ago. Why aren't they in the AF?" The answer is because they > > were > > > never entered in the AF. > > > > > > I disagree...that's where the original database came from. I > > remember the > > > first time I downloaded some of it...there were 13-15 children per > > family > > > because the little old volunteer typists kept hitting enter when > > they were > > > working ...there were LOTS of errors on those. But I was given to > > understand > > > at the FHL that's where the original stuff came from. > > > > > > Of course it was a brilliant idea...in the "olden days" you had to > > go search > > > through those big binders and pull your famly group sheets and have > > them > > > photocopied....the wear and tear was impossible, it was horribly > > time- > > > consuming, and some people just took the originals home!!! The AF > > ws a great > > > idea. > > > > > > I will look forward to the new AF.....I submitted my stuff last year > > > (again)...so hopefully it will be there. > > > > > > Michele Brooks > > > >> > > > > ______________________________ > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [HANDCART-L] IGI/AF/Fiche > Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 20:50:00 -0400 > From: Robert Speakman <rlsdoc@pol.net> > To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com > > Wow--I'm really confused now. Can fiche be sold to individuals? Is or will IGI or AF be available outside FHC? Are all or most or any of the pre-AF group sheets incorporated into the AF? There have been so many posts today, that at least to me seem to conflict each other, I'm not sure who is correct. And I may have missed some of the posts. Can anyone who has followed all of this give a re-cap to clarify? > Thanks, > Robert > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [HANDCART-L] IGI/AF/Fiche > Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 22:07:49 -0600 > From: "Jerry & Laurie E. Castillo" <lcastillo@itsnet.com> > To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com > > You can buy IGI. The rest, no. You pay and it stays in the center you > ordered it to. > > Laurie > > Robert Speakman wrote: > > > Wow--I'm really confused now. Can fiche be sold to individuals? Is > > or will IGI or AF be available outside FHC? Are all or most or any of > > the pre-AF group sheets incorporated into the AF? There have been so > > many posts today, that at least to me seem to conflict each other, I'm > > not sure who is correct. And I may have missed some of the posts. > > Can anyone who has followed all of this give a re-cap to clarify? > > Thanks, > > Robert > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [HANDCART-L] AF problems > Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 22:30:37 -0600 > From: "Jerald R. Thompson" <Jerald@pdqnet.net> > To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com > > I was lurking around on HANDCART-L and noted some comments about Ancestral > File having errors in it. It really does! Imagain my surprise when I > looked up my own record in AF one day and found I was buried! No death > date, no death place, and no place of burial was noted, but, sure enough, > there's a burial date there! And not only for me, but for my wife and my > daughter as well! We're all buried! > > I sent in correction after correction, and nothing got corrected. I went > to AF Headquarters in SLC, showed them my photo ID and asked that they > remove "burial" date from our records (actually, I felt like asking them to > just simply "resurrect" us, but I thought better of it. Sounded a bit > close to making light of sacred things, etc.) > > The lady at AF Headquarters assured me the burial date had been removed, so > I went home a happy camper. When the next issue of AF came out I checked > my record and, sure enough, I was not longer buried. BUT, when the NEXT > issue came out, guess what! The same burial date re-appeared! Someone had > downloaded my record before AF Headquarters eliminated my burial date, then > that party sent my name back in... with the burial date still there. So, > to this day, I'm buried. > > Guess you could say you've been spoken to from the grave, couldn't you? > > Jerald in Brigham City, Utah -- Ileen Johnson <ileenj@sisna.com> Geneva Heights Family History Center, http://users.sisna.com/ileenj/

At 10:29 AM 8/8/98 -0700, Mary Ward wrote: >Having just joined this mail list, I was assuming it was concerning the Handcart trials and tribulations of our ancestors travels. So far, the discussion has been primarily about software. Have I signed up for something of which I was unaware. No problem, but would appreciate a clarification. > >Thanks in advance > >Mary > Hi Mary, The list is for the discussion of our Pioneer ancestors. Sometimes we get off the beaten track and go for something that is related, but not totally on topic. This was a very informative stream of letters and the discussion was good. Post your line and lets see if anybody can help you find your ancestors. In between the discussion of the genealogy programs, we did have a couple come through on ancestors ;) Terri

Having just joined this mail list, I was assuming it was concerning the Handcart trials and tribulations of our ancestors travels. So far, the discussion has been primarily about software. Have I signed up for something of which I was unaware. No problem, but would appreciate a clarification. Thanks in advance Mary HANDCART-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > HANDCART-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 146 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Re:[HANDCART-L] Fw: IGI for sale - [Durfee_Lynda@tmac.com] > #2 Re: [HANDCART-L] Fw: IGI for sale [JCBrooks@aol.com] > #3 [HANDCART-L] IGI ["Joan Thomson" <thomson@cardina.ne] > #4 [HANDCART-L] Re: IGI and AF [Elaine <elainec@stinger.net>] > #5 Re: [HANDCART-L] Re: IGI and AF [JCBrooks@aol.com] > #6 Re: [HANDCART-L] Answer on IGI ["Karen Bush" <vkbush@dcaccess.com>] > #7 RE: [HANDCART-L] Answer on IGI [Charla Jensen <Charla.Jensen@digit] > #8 [HANDCART-L] IGI/AF/Fiche [Robert Speakman <rlsdoc@pol.net>] > #9 Re: [HANDCART-L] IGI/AF/Fiche ["Jerry & Laurie E. Castillo" <lcas] > #10 [HANDCART-L] AF problems ["Jerald R. Thompson" <Jerald@pdqne] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from HANDCART-D, send a message to > > HANDCART-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > -

I have repeatedly tried to reach Susan Wilhelm at SWilhelm@chq.byu.edu and all my mail keeps coming back. Has anyone got another address for this lady? Lynda

In the last digest I received from Handcart I was most interested to see comments about Susan Wilhelm. I wanted to write and ask her a few things but unfortunately my e-mail to her bounced back - and I deleted the original posting from Hardcart. Can anyone give me Susan's e-mail address? Thank you kindly, Lynda

A short while ago, someone asked about the hours of operation for the Joseph Smith Memorial Building in Salt Lake City. I had a chance to go there yesterday, and here's what I found: FamilySearch Center 1st Floor, North end Mon-Fri 9:00am-9:00pm Has hundreds of computers and laser printers with the Ancestral File, IGI, FHL Catalog, etc. and many helpful missionaries to assist you. "Legacy" IMAX Movie about the early history of the Church. 1st Floor, Northeast end Mon-Sat Showtimes: 10:30am, 12:00pm, 1:30pm, 3:00pm, 4:30pm, 6:00pm, 7:30pm. Family History Archives 4th Floor, East end Mon-Sat 9:00am-9:00pm Archives of the "old" legal-size family group records. Family History Guest Meeting Rooms and Family Histories 4th Floor, West end Mon-Sat 9:00am-9:00pm Has many of the above FamilySearch computers, and conference rooms for "group research" activities -- great for family organizations. The family history books from the Family History Library have been moved here. Distribution Center and Beehive Clothing Lower Lobby, across from elevators Mon-Fri 9:00am-6:00pm Sat 9:00am-5:00pm Andy E. Wold wold.andy@usa.net

I was lurking around on HANDCART-L and noted some comments about Ancestral File having errors in it. It really does! Imagain my surprise when I looked up my own record in AF one day and found I was buried! No death date, no death place, and no place of burial was noted, but, sure enough, there's a burial date there! And not only for me, but for my wife and my daughter as well! We're all buried! I sent in correction after correction, and nothing got corrected. I went to AF Headquarters in SLC, showed them my photo ID and asked that they remove "burial" date from our records (actually, I felt like asking them to just simply "resurrect" us, but I thought better of it. Sounded a bit close to making light of sacred things, etc.) The lady at AF Headquarters assured me the burial date had been removed, so I went home a happy camper. When the next issue of AF came out I checked my record and, sure enough, I was not longer buried. BUT, when the NEXT issue came out, guess what! The same burial date re-appeared! Someone had downloaded my record before AF Headquarters eliminated my burial date, then that party sent my name back in... with the burial date still there. So, to this day, I'm buried. Guess you could say you've been spoken to from the grave, couldn't you? Jerald in Brigham City, Utah

You can buy IGI. The rest, no. You pay and it stays in the center you ordered it to. Laurie Robert Speakman wrote: > Wow--I'm really confused now. Can fiche be sold to individuals? Is > or will IGI or AF be available outside FHC? Are all or most or any of > the pre-AF group sheets incorporated into the AF? There have been so > many posts today, that at least to me seem to conflict each other, I'm > not sure who is correct. And I may have missed some of the posts. > Can anyone who has followed all of this give a re-cap to clarify? > Thanks, > Robert

Wow--I'm really confused now. Can fiche be sold to individuals? Is or will IGI or AF be available outside FHC? Are all or most or any of the pre-AF group sheets incorporated into the AF? There have been so many posts today, that at least to me seem to conflict each other, I'm not sure who is correct. And I may have missed some of the posts. Can anyone who has followed all of this give a re-cap to clarify? Thanks, Robert

I think some of the confusion about the relationship between the 4-generation group sheets and the Ancestral File stems from the fact that there were many 4-generation collections done several times by the Church over the years. My grandparents turned in family sheets in the 1920's and 1930's which were put in a special collection. There were a series of 3rd and 4th generation calls for family group sheets through the 1960's and early 1970's. The Brigham Young University library, for example, has multiple sets of microfilm of these collections for those years. None of these family group sheet collections were put into the AF. Elaine is right about the last call for 4-generation sheets around 1980. Those sheets where we turned in sets of a pedigree chart and related family group sheets were the beginning of the AF. We were told to do the research on these four generations and make them as correct and complete as we could and to turn in more than 4 generations if we were able. When the AF was released we were told that it was our responsibility to make sure that the records were accurate. We can still do that today. The AF has been very helpful to my research over these years although not always accurate. The information was far better than nothing. My biggest problem with the AF is the procedure that all new information is matched and merged on similarity of names. This is a nuisance in English-speaking countries, but in Scandinavian research where there were basically 20 surnames, all of the research I have carefully researched, documented, and submitted has been turned into a hopeless tangle. Does anyone know who could convince the FHL that such automatic matching and merging does not always make sense? My family is complaining that they cannot find the thousands of names I did. They are there - just in a very jumbled manner. Charla Jensen COMPAQ CST Information Research Services LKG1-2/J12 Database Administrator (978) 506-6943 FAX (978) 506-6891 Charla.Jensen@digital.com DTN 226-6943 DTN_FAX 226-6891 > -----Original Message----- > From: Elaine [SMTP:elainec@stinger.net] > Sent: Friday, August 07, 1998 12:09 PM > To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HANDCART-L] Answer on IGI > > Hello, Michele! > > I saw your posting to the list and agree that the the Ancestral File > was supposed > to have begun with the 4-generation family group sheets we were all > encouraged to > submit in the late 1970's and early 1980's. My husband had only been > a member of > the church for a year or so and we were newly married when we sat down > and put > the information together to submit to our ward genealogy person. All > of the > information did indeed appear in the first version of Ancestral File. > Do you > happen to have any idea when the next updated version of the Ancestral > File will > be out and available to use in the FHCs? I am actually a consultant > in a FHC > here in Orem, Utah but have not been able to get any information on > this as yet. > Also, someone told me that the AF and IGI were available for purchase. > Have you > heard anything about this at all? Just thought I would check. ;) > > Thanks a bunch! > > Elaine Corson > elainec@stinger.net > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/5637 > > > JCBrooks@aol.com wrote: > > > Hi > > > > I don't think anything from the Patron Family Group Sheets > > was ever entered into the Ancestral File, only stuff that was sent > in > > specifically for the AF. And now they only accept stuff on disk > for the > > AF. We hear people say all the time, "But we sent in the > 4-generation FGS > > years ago. Why aren't they in the AF?" The answer is because they > were > > never entered in the AF. > > > > I disagree...that's where the original database came from. I > remember the > > first time I downloaded some of it...there were 13-15 children per > family > > because the little old volunteer typists kept hitting enter when > they were > > working ...there were LOTS of errors on those. But I was given to > understand > > at the FHL that's where the original stuff came from. > > > > Of course it was a brilliant idea...in the "olden days" you had to > go search > > through those big binders and pull your famly group sheets and have > them > > photocopied....the wear and tear was impossible, it was horribly > time- > > consuming, and some people just took the originals home!!! The AF > ws a great > > idea. > > > > I will look forward to the new AF.....I submitted my stuff last year > > (again)...so hopefully it will be there. > > > > Michele Brooks > > >> > > ______________________________

-----Original Message----- From: JCBrooks@aol.com <JCBrooks@aol.com> To: HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com <HANDCART-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [HANDCART-L] Answer on IGI >In a message dated 8/7/98 9:16:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >elainec@stinger.net writes: > ><< Do you > happen to have any idea when the next updated version of the Ancestral File >will > be out and available to use in the FHCs? I am actually a consultant in a FHC > here in Orem, Utah but have not been able to get any information on this as >yet. > Also, someone told me that the AF and IGI were available for purchase. Have >you > heard anything about this at all? Just thought I would check. ;) >> > >I'm no expert.....but one brother just reported via this list that at the BYU >Genealogy Conference they said first quarter of 1999 that a new AF would come >out....but you know how they are always delayed on those things. > >About the AF for purchase....I doubt that will happen....I think that there >were too many unhappy campers after they extracted the Holocaust >victims....some non LDS have vehement objections to temple work being done and >IGI might be a poke in the nose to them. Also, by having folks come to the >FHL, it is a missionary opportunity. But I'm no expert. > Actually Family Search can be purchased by family organizations, but the cost is around $500. Family Search is now available through other libraries. The New England Historical and Genealogical Society has it in their library. The difference is that the LDS options (Ordinance Index) are not included so that non-members organizations do not have to deal with questions about temple work and LDS doctrines. The IGI on fiche has been available for purchase for many years by anyone. Karen Bush vkbush@dcaccess.com

Hello to all! I just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate everyone's response to my questions regarding the availability of the IGI to purchase and the next arrival of Ancestral File. This is really a wonderful group to belong to. Hope you all have a terrific weekend! Thanks a bunch! Elaine elainec@stinger.net