At 05:48 PM 4/2/98 +0100, Kevin Lowe wrote: >In a recent posting the phrase 'Lehi Pioneer' was used. Could anyone please >explain? > >The reason I ask is that one of my ancesters, John Lowe, born about 1843, >of Foleshill, Warwickshire, England. disappeared between the 1881 census >and the 1891 census of Foleshill. His Family are shown in both, but he is >not there in 1891. > Kevin: Could you give us any more information on your John? I looked for his name on the LDS Family History Suite cd and there were 199 hits, so I am hoping that at least one of those are your John. It looks like the majority of the John's listed on the cd are from Lancashire, so additional info would really help. Thanks Terri her Terri X Jensen mark jensenet@vii.com ***************************************** * * * BAD SPELLERS OF THE WORLD - UNTIE!! * * * *****************************************

At 03:08 PM 4/5/98 EDT, Cballd wrote: >Terri: >Is there a CD with the DUP (Heartthrobs, etc.) books on it? There is a FHC up >here (Seattle area) that has nearly all of the books and I have spent a lot of >time copying articles from them since between my husband and myself we had >over 30 ancestors cross the plains. >Cindy Alldredge > > Hi Cindy: The LDS Family History Suite (old version) has most of the older published books from the DUP included. It also has the Comprehensive History of the Church and the LDS Biographical Encyclopedia. Along with that is the book The Source which is worth $45.00 just all by itself and the Redbook which is another expensive research book. It has several other items as well. The last I understood was that Media Play still had this available for purchase. The newer version doesn't have as much to offer, but is still worthwhile. I know that if you join Ancestry.com for one year they will send you the new version for free. Right now on their free search site is several of the LDS Daughters of the Utah Pioneer books. You might want to bop there and see what you can find and just do a simple copy and paste to a word program and then print them out. I have meant to join each month, but the funds just don't seem to be there when I expect them to be there ;) Hmmm.... this might be a wonderful Mother's Day gift. I will hint really HARD! Terri her Terri X Jensen mark jensenet@vii.com ***************************************** * * * BAD SPELLERS OF THE WORLD - UNTIE!! * * * *****************************************

Have been searching the MEEVES family for some years. Have hit a blank in the family from Germany. The family spelling changed when my grandfather Hans MEEWES came to the USA in 1885?. He married Anna HARDER in Blair, Washington, Nebraska 4 Mar 1887. He had 4 brothers that I know of that possibly came to the USA at the same time and settled in Missouri and Ohio. I can trace the family back to Claus Meewes who married Dorothea RICHELMANN 16 Nov 1823 in Hennstedt,Rendsburg, Schliessweg-Holstein. His father was Hans MEEWES and mother was Katherina KNEIP. I lost the family in the Rendsburg archives when the name appearred to change again to MEWES,MEWS,MAEWES,MIEVES. Can anyone help with this problem. Anna HARDER has been trace back to Johann HARDER born 1 Nov 1726 in Krummennort, Rendsburg. His wifw was Sidlke Grot born 9 Mar 1732 in Krummenort. The family goes back three more generations, but data is not presently known except that Johann's father was Marx HARDER and mother AntjeMUNN. His grand father was Hans HARDER and grandmother Gretke BOCK.

Here is my new Fullmer/Vollmar Homepage. Most of the Infomation that I have is on it. I will be updating in the future, as I gather and compile more information. I am looking forward in hearing from each and every one of you> Kristen http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/3428/fullmer.html

I have a Sargeant W. Lowe born abt 1879 at Fargus Falls, Ottrtl, MN who married Eva Sylvia Boyd daughter of Jacob Lorenzo Boyd and Augusta Liliian Patterson. I would like to know the children and parents of Sargent W. Lowe. Thank You, Marcus

Terri: Is there a CD with the DUP (Heartthrobs, etc.) books on it? There is a FHC up here (Seattle area) that has nearly all of the books and I have spent a lot of time copying articles from them since between my husband and myself we had over 30 ancestors cross the plains. Cindy Alldredge

Ron If your Williams family came in 1868 they road the railroad to Laramie or Benton Wyoming. That was the jumping off point that year. But again check the DUP museuim or the FHL library Ron ---------- > Hello everyone > > How does one find out where to look for more information about Mormon > families crossing the plains? > > WILLIAMS family crossing the plains. > > What I know is Daniel his wife Ann and there 3 children Frances, Thomas, > and Sarah WILLIAMS crossed the plains in the summer of 1868. They sailed > from England on the ship John Bright. > > Thank You > > Ron Perkes > rdp@utah-inter.net >

Ron .The FHL here would be your best bet. And again the DUP museum has alot of information. I checked the CD "LDS Family History Suite" came up with only one Henry Winter who marrie Eliza Marie Eger??????? Also check the web site www.ancestry.com they have a d base called Our Pioneer Heritage which may have some information in it. "There's a mighty big difference between good, sound facts and facts that sound good." Ronald Colby rmcolby@micro-net.com Salt Lake City, Utah Home of the 2002 Winter Olympics Searching descendants of John Colby, 1633 John Colby, 1656 ---------- > Hello everyone > > How does one find out where to look for more information about Mormon > families crossing the plains? > > WINTER family crossing the plains. > > What I know is Caroline and here son Henry WINTER crossed the plains in the > summer of 1862. They sailed from England on the William Tapscott. > > Thank You > > Ron Perkes > rdp@utah-inter.net >

Hello everyone How does one find out where to look for more information about Mormon families crossing the plains? WILLIAMS family crossing the plains. What I know is Daniel his wife Ann and there 3 children Frances, Thomas, and Sarah WILLIAMS crossed the plains in the summer of 1868. They sailed from England on the ship John Bright. Thank You Ron Perkes rdp@utah-inter.net

Hello everyone How does one find out where to look for more information about Mormon families crossing the plains? WINTER family crossing the plains. What I know is Caroline and here son Henry WINTER crossed the plains in the summer of 1862. They sailed from England on the William Tapscott. Thank You Ron Perkes rdp@utah-inter.net

Hi Kevin Wow those are 2 radically different ways of life that are told about John LOWE! I can't say if there is a Lehi in Ohio, but if he did join the LDS church there is a Lehi, Utah that is about 30 miles south of Salt Lake City, Utah. I would think that this Lehi could be a strong possibility for John LOWE. If you need some more help I live about 40 miles from Lehi, Utah. Let me know if you would like some help? Also I have a LOWE line in my own family tree that came to Utah. My LOWE line came from Birmingham, Warwickshire, England somewhere around 1870. Hope to hear back from you soon. It looks very likely that we are cousins in the LOWE family tree. Lets exchange information or look up information for each other in our local area's Hope this helps Ron Perkes Bountiful, Utah rdp@utah-inter.net ---------- > From: Kevin Lowe <Kevin.Lowe@dial.pipex.com> > To: Handcart-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HANDCART-L] Lehi Pioneer > Date: Thursday, April 02, 1998 8:48 AM > > In a recent posting the phrase 'Lehi Pioneer' was used. Could anyone please > explain? > > The reason I ask is that one of my ancestors, John Lowe, born about 1843, > of Foleshill, Warwickshire, England. disappeared between the 1881 census > and the 1891 census of Foleshill. His Family are shown in both, but he is > not there in 1891. > > There are two stories in the family. One says that he went to America > during a gold rush and opened a gambling saloon. The other says that he > joined the LDS Church and settled in a place called Lehi possibly in Ohio. > > Kevin.Lowe@Dial.Pipex.com > Loughborough, England. >

My ancestor, Henry Radmall, wrote an autobiography that tells of his conversion and trip from England to Utah. I have included a rather lengthy portion of it. The story begins in late 1848. I hope to give the above mentioned people information about their families and perhaps learn more about their ancestors. The story mentions brother Pratt. By the dates can anyone tell me if it was Orson or Parley? William Nixon employed Henry Radmall. James Yeures helped pay for the passage of Henry's family from England. Henry and family traveled in the Miller Company and shared a wagon with Daniel Allen. He broke a leg which was set by Dr. Johanson and later by Fred Passey. Does anyone know anything of these people? Regards, Brooks M. Wilson by Henry Radmall My Heavenly Father seemed to bless me in all my undertakings and he did bless me now, as all seemed right. But Henry B. Radmall, you in Saint Louis now and your wife and little ones in England and you promised to get them out in the spring. Monday came, to work I went though very sick with the diarrhea. Coming through the hot climate into a cold pork house and being up at nights pretty near used me up. Then my arms got large boils on them. That was worse than all as I had to lift the pork on a block and cut it up then lift it away and so on all day long. I was kept at work until Christmas, then they stopped killing. It was then that I got a job working for William Nixon. This and the other job had kept my board clear and I had obtained a little more than half of the money to bring my family to Saint Louis. I wrote to my wife and directed my letter to Brother Pratt as I did not know just where my wife would be. He opened the letter and read it or what he felt disposed to read. I told my wife that I had little more than half the money but would have it all by the time my letter reached her but it would be too late to send it to her to get her out in the spring as I had promised, so I did not know what to do. Before she could get the money, the emigration to New Orleans would be over. Brother Pratt sent for my wife in a hurry, as it was Sunday morning and he had to go to the meeting and wanted to see her first. She went. He gave her the letter and asked her if she could get ready and go on board the ship Tuesday morning. She said she could, so he told her to go on board the Zetland on the following Tuesday morning. Brother Pratt went to meeting, preached and told the congregation that there was a sister in Liverpool who's husband was in Saint Louis and he wanted someone that was going to Saint Louis to volunteer to pay her and the children's passage and take her to her husband. He told them that if her husband did not pay, then he would. Brother James Yeures, that lived in Salt Lake City, was the one that brought my wife and children to me. I paid him and thanked him, and we had a good time together. I feel very thankful to Brother Pratt to this day, though he is dead and gone. When they got to Saint Louis, the cholera was very bad and as they came up the River Mississippi, they buried forty five. My wife got to me on the 12th of April, 1849. Soon after her arrival, the cholera walked into our house, and my wife had it. It was hard to keep her alive, she did want to die, but with using the ordinances of the Gospel, such as laying on of hands and anointing with oil and other things, we saved her. Soon after this, the cholera laid hold of the oldest girl. I was sent for, and to bring the doctor. I prayed that I might not get him for I did not want any doctor, and my prayer was answered. My thoughts were, "Now, what will you do Mr. Radmall?" It came to me what to do, which was go for the Elders, get a little of the best brandy and a little laudanum, put a little in some brandy, heat some water, put her in a hot bath, then wrap her in a hot blanket. While in the bather, her eyes seemed to raise in her head. I believed they had gone down for death. She was then wrapped in the blanket and put to bed, and in a short time her whole body was in full perspiration for it was in her face like great drops of dew. In a short time, she was on the floor playing and was alright. In a short time, the great fire took place and burned thirty six steamboats and one third of the town, then the cholera seemed to slack up a little, but broke out again and many died. It took two of our children during our stay in Saint Louis. The last one we buried was playing in the street at 3 o'clock and dead by 7 o'clock the same evening. Mrs. Radmall had been sick almost all the time we were trying to save money to come to Salt Lake City. We no sooner got a few dollars ahead but some of the family was sick. In comes the doctor, and out goes our money again, and I think it is no better here now. If any of the family has the bellyache, we send for the doctor, and he comes with a yellow flag, "Two dollars." Serves us right. Shame on us, we as a people ought to know better. We ought to be like Job of old. Read in Chronicles, 13th chapter, 4 verse, also 16 chapter 12 verse of 2 Chronicles and see what that says. After all, a good doctor is very good among the people but hard to find and only makes a good bill. After all our ups and downs, we still tried to get to the Salt Lake Valley. Whether in sickness or health or death, that was our motto and we did accomplish our purpose. One of our good friends by the name of Daniel R. Allen agreed to go in partnership with us in getting equipped for the journey, so we left Saint Louis on 2 May 1853, in Daniel A. Miller's company. We sailed up the river to Saint Joseph and from there we came to a place they called Big Pigeon where there was a tabernacle that one belonged to the Saints. We stopped there for three weeks. On the 6th of June, we made another move to the Missouri River and camped. In two or three days we crossed the river. We all fixed our wagons and started on the journey again. We had not gone far before Brother Allen's wagon broke down and all the company went on and left us. We did not know what to do. We were left there exposed to the Indians and the night coming on. Now all had left us, Brother Allen felt it and so did I. He wanted to go back and ask me if I would go back with him. I told him I did not want to go back as I had left a good situation, and I am going to see the elephant, as the saying goes. About dark, some of the brethren came back after us and we got to camp late that night. Next morning, we came to a river, I think they called Hormo River. There we camped one week, then on to another river they called Elkhorn River, where we camped that night. We started again next morning and had not gone far, when I saw things were not quite right with my wagon. I no sooner got under my wagon than the team started and crack goes my leg. There I was laid on the road in the dust. The good sisters fixed it up and into the wagon I had to go. Then my wife and the other man's wife that was with us, had to be the drivers. The good folks that put the splints on my leg ought to have wrapped some rag around my leg first, but they did the best they knew how. When they unwrapped my leg again, one of the splinters had worked into the flesh, with the shake of the wagon and almost buried in the flesh, and I had to pick it out. We had nothing in camp that would cure it until another company came up. Dr. Johanson was in that company and he let me have some salve that soon cured it, but that's not all. One morning another company comes along. In that company was an English journalist by the name of Fred Passey who had some knowledge of medicines. He had heard about me so he came to my wagon, and ask if he could see my leg. He unwrapped my leg. It looked clean and nice now, but my foot was turned over. He saw at once that it was set crooked. He said nothing, but he got fast hold of my foot and gave one quick, sharp twist and re-broke it, then set it as straight as was possible for him to do. If I had known what he was about, I never should have let him get hold of my foot. But when I understand, I felt to thank him and I thank him to this day. Well, I pass on. One Sunday they were going to hold a meeting and at my request, they took me out of the wagon and put me in a chair. They held a long meeting, but it was not a good time for me. Had I thought or they thought to put my foot up in a chair, it would have been alright, but as it was I have had pain in it more or less from that day to this. The reason was that my foot hung down, the blood ran down in the foot and when I was put back in the wagon and my foot straight up, the blood ran to my heel and burnt as if it was put on the stove, then it gathered and I had a bad foot, but the train went jogging along and I with sorrow, trouble and pain, up the hills and down the dales, until we landed in Salt Lake City. A little before arriving in Salt Lake Valley, one of our oxen died and we had to have a cow with the other ox, so the folks had to do the best they could, but they kept traveling on. At last, I with the train awoke in Salt Lake City, 9 September 1853 after I had been trying it for five years and five months. On arriving in Salt Lake, I had but little left except some sugar, which we traded to some of our friends for other provisions that helped us for a while. I started the journey from Chesterfield, England with my stick in my hand, bundle on my back and landed in Salt Lake on a pair of crutches, so you see, I gained property on the way.

This story any mother will recognize as resembling her own, and any father will certainly be well able to identify with ;) Terri --------------------------------------- Heart Throbs of the West Heart Throbs of the West: Volume 9 Journal of George Cannon Lambert The Lamberts Become Converts of Mormonism The Father On my last previous trip in the south I had been anxious to hurry home to get married; now I was impatient to return for another reason. About one year from the time I was married, an event was expected to occur, the anticipation of which caused my heart to flutter every time I thought of it. Without any definite knowledge as to the processes of gestation, I had the impressions that there was a great maternal danger associated therewith. My mother had not borne fourteen children, with me around home upon most of these occasions, as well as when the numerous false alarms occurred in connection therewith, without my receiving some indelible impressions thereupon. Hadn't I made the marathon run between my home and that of the midwife at all hours of the day and night when called into service? Hadn't I stubbed my toes against every stone that jutted up in the pathway during that entire distance? Hadn't I known of Alf Gunn, running from his home in the 11th Ward clear down past our house to that of the midwife, a block beyond, in the night, and in such feverish haste that he hadn't taken time to put his shoes and stockings on, and then spent the rest of the night picking gravel out of his feet, that had been pounded in during his excited race? How could I afford to be absent when the life of my wife or my expected offspring might hang in the balance? Who in my absence would be at the call of my wife to dash off at the speed of a greyhound and bring to her experienced help? I simply couldn't content myself to be absent at such a time. I could spent every night traveling between settlements and every day from the time I could find anyone up to do business with until the latest hour in the evening at which I could find people astir, doing business in the most expeditious manner; and this I did regularly day after day until my arrival home. With what impatience I awaited that arrival! How I rejoiced at the sight of my wife! When did ever woman's attire appear as becoming to me as the "Mother Hubbard" my wife wore then. How excited I became at every unfavorable symptom. Anxiety— One evening, on returning from the office I found my wife at my mother's, and we remained there until after supper. On our way home my wife complained of pain. "Is it labor pain?" I inquired, without any definite idea of what the term implied. "No, only a touch of the colic," was the confident assurance, but it did not satisfy me, for I doubted whether she knew much more than I did about such matters. I hurried her home, and wanted to leave her there while I sprinted off for her mother, my sister—anyone that she could fancy to keep her company and cheer her up, but no, she would not part with me. The pains were coming faster and more intense. After awhile I declared I would not be alone with her any longer. I threatened to break away without waiting another second. "Will you promise me that I will have no more pain during your absence?" What sublime faith that implied! And what influence I should have with the Lord, the unquestioned source of all power, to be able to make such a promise and have it respected and fulfilled! With a feeling of desperation, and a full sense of the responsibility I assumed, I made the promise, then charged off like a quarter horse to the nearest neighbor's. Arousing John W. Andrew from his first sound sleep, I implored him to run at his utmost speed to my father-in-law's and ask Sister Needham to hurry down to my house. Then rushing back to my home, I found to my relief that my wife's faith had been so strong that she had not experienced a pain during my absence. I mentally but fervently thanked the Lord and gave Him credit for making good my promise; then, as my angelic mother-in-law entered the door, dashed off to "Mother Booth's" in the 17th Ward, a good mile distant, calling on the way at my mother's where I enlisted my sister, my mother not being able to leave her bed, having given birth to a child but a few days before. Mother Booth was too ill to get up, and I ran every step of the way home to learn my wife's wish as to the next move. Mrs. Harrington, a neighbor, only a block and a half distant, was the second choice as a midwife and thither I almost flew. In response to my frantic appeal for her to hurry, she intimated that she could make better time if I would curb my impatience and let her take hold of my arm. I did so, and I guess she had the time of her life trying to keep up with me for the block and a half The First Born— As we entered the house my mother-in-law announced that the child was already born—a beautiful girl. What rapture filled my soul, on being assured that my wife's crisis had passed and seeing the innocent but intelligent looking specimen of babyhood that the Lord had answered our yearning with, is beyond my power to describe.

Does anyone know a Mary Colby that married a Andrew Anderson at Sigurd, December 16, 1877 Ran across a obit and can't connect her with anyone in my family. Got to be a relative because most all the Colbys in Utah at that time descend from two brothers that came about 1848 The Obit gives brothers and sisters, but no parents. "There's a mighty big difference between good, sound facts and facts that sound good." Ronald Colby rmcolby@micro-net.com Salt Lake City, Utah Home of the 2002 Winter Olympics Searching descendants of John Colby, 1633 John Colby, 1656

I am searching for information on Ann BAILEY GILLIAN, who emigrated with the Mormons in April 1856. I believe she and other family members sailed on the S. Curling, having departed from Livermore, and arrived in Boston, May 23, 1856. I would like to know the name of the Company she traveled with to Salt Lake, as well as any other helpful information. Other surnames I am searching in the Salt Lake area include WRIGHT and LENHAM. Ann Bailey married Thomas Lenham, and I have a record of their deaths, but would like to obtain information on their marriage. Any help is appreciated! Thank you, Sara Bailey

I am researching the Barlow line that startes with the emigration of James Barlow sr aboard the True Love in 1634 to present and also the Ellifritz family. Thank you Barbara BGetchell@aol.com

Sara I found the following on the ship Samuel Curling S. CURLING Ship: 1468 tons: 207' x 39' x 20' Built: 1854 at Thomaston, Maine One of the larger square-riggers of her time, the S. Curling of Thomaston carried two emigrant companies totaling 1288 Mormons across the Atlantic. The first voyage began on 22 April 1855 at Liverpool. Elder Israel Barlow, a returning missionary, presided over the 581 Latter-day Saints, including 385 who were financed by the Perpetual Emigrating Fund. His counselors were Elders John Perry and John Robinson. The shipmaster was Captain Sanders Curling of Thomaston, Maine. An experienced mariner, he had previously commanded the 299-ton bark Roxana and tho 992-ton ship John & Lucy. The passage was rough with unusually severe storms. During the crossing three children were born. There were no deaths. The vessel arrived on 22 May at New York after thirty days at sea. The second passage began on 19 April 1856 at Liverpool with 707 Saints among the passengers. Captain Sanders Curling again was master of the vessel. Elder Dan Jones, the colorful founder of the Welsh Mission and former captain of the riverboat Maid of Iowa, was appointed president of the emigrant company. His counselors were Elders John Oakley and David Grant. The emigrants were organized into eleven wards with the following elders presiding: Thomas Thomas, John Edwards, John Perry, Job Welling, John McDonald, James Thomas, Evan Evans, Richard Williams, William Butler, John Lewis, and John Walters. During the voyage a schedule of activity was prescribed. Work details washed and cleaned around the berths each moming. By 6:00 a.m. the cleaning and prayers were completed. Meals were served on a staggered basis for the various wards. Frequent meetings were held, and evening prayers were over by 8:00 p.m.. The Saints for health reasons were urged to spend as much time as possible on deck. Despite all precautions there was some sickness, including chicken pox, and six children died. Captain Curling and the ship's doctor "distinguished themselves" in caring for the afflicted. Two babies were born and appropriately named for the master: Dan Curling Dee and Claudia Curling Reynolds. In a letter to President Franklin D. Richards, Elder Dan Jones wrote this tribute: The conduct of Captain Curling has demanded our praise; generous, courteous, and philanthropic, he has shared his commiseration indiscriminately among the greatest sufferers, and all have received comforts from his liberal hand... the freedom of his commodious and splendid ship.... As for myself, we have spun yarns together for hours, as we paced the quarter deck eagerly scrutinizing the horizon, lest a treacherous squall should take us unawares, and disturb the repose of the sleepers below. At home among the stars, born in a storm, cradled on the ocean, few things escaped his eagle eye, with such a one, hours have I spent with a pleasure known only to weather-beaten old tars. May he moor his barque, yes, his fleet in Zion's snug harbour, ere the equinoctial gales of life beset him. On 23 May, after a thirty-four-day passage, the S. Curling landed her passengers at Boston. Elder Jones wrote, "The passengers were remarkably clean, as well as the ship, which commanded the admiration of all. In proof of the latter I would say, that I had made a wager with Captain Curling upon leaving Liverpool, that the lower decks would be whiter than his cabin floor, and the Quarantine Doctor decided in my favour." Captain Curling permitted the Saints to remain on board until their railroad transportation to Iowa was arranged. The S. Curling, sometimes called Samuel Curling in church records, was built of oak and had three masts, three decks, copper and iron fastenings, an oval stern, and a figurehead. She was owned by Captain Sanders Curling, Edward O'Brien, Samuel Watts, and Thomas O'Brien-all of Thomaston, Maine. This Yankee ship had a long service until she was sold to foreign owners sometime before 1872. Passenger List Sources: (1855) LDS Passenger List (Family History Library) Film: #025,690 (Item 3-12) U.S. Government Passenger List (Family History Library) Film: #175,508 Identification Number on U.S.Government Passenger List: #376 List of Passengers Published in New York Newspaper, The Mormon (May 12,1855) Passenger List Sources: (1856) LDS Passenger List (Family History Library) Film: #025,691 & 1,259,742 List of Passengers Published in New York Newspaper, The Mormon (Mary 17,1856) The following departures occured in 1856 Depature Date Captain People Arrival Iowa City, Iowa June 9 Edmund Ellsworth* 275 Sept 26 Iowa City, Iowa June 11 Daniel McArthur* 222 Sept 26 Iowa City, Iowa June 23 Edward Bunker* 300 Oct 2 Iowa City, Iowa July 15 James G. Willie* 500 Nov 9 Iowa City, Iowa Aug 25 Edward Martin* 575 Nov 30 Florence, Nebraska June 5 P.C. Merrill 200 Aug 13-18 Florence, Nebraska June 10 Canute Peterson 320 Sept 20 Florence, Nebraska June 15 John Banks 300 Oct 1 Florence, Nebraska July 30 Wm. B. Hodgetts 150 Dec 10-15 Florence, Nebraska Aug 1 John A. Hunt 300 Dec 10-15 *Handcart Companies Sorry I couldn't pinpoint your Ann closer. She was list as head of household on roster. 4 in party "There's a mighty big difference between good, sound facts and facts that sound good." Ronald Colby rmcolby@micro-net.com Salt Lake City, Utah Home of the 2002 Winter Olympics Searching descendants of John Colby, 1633 John Colby, 1656 ---------- > I am searching for information on Ann BAILEY GILLIAN, who emigrated with the > Mormons in April 1856. I believe she and other family members sailed on the S. > Curling, having departed from Livermore, and arrived in Boston, May 23, 1856. >

I'm looking for help in completing the family group sheet for my "Third Grandparents". I'm one of the lucky ones who, for awhile, got Christmas presents from 3 Grandparents--"Phillips, King and Busby". My stepfather, almost blind, has been promising me help for some time now. Thanks to the wonders of online genealogy I have his family history traced back to 1500's England. What I lack is help with the following: 1. The siblings of Alberta Elizabeth TERRY. Parents were: Frank Dermath TERRY and Rhoda Elizabeth HUNT. Frank was born 18 December 1872 in Hebron, Washington, UT and died 04 December 1952 in Enterprise, Washington, UT. Rhoda Elizabeth Hunt was born 04 November 1876 in St. George, Washington, UT and died 23 February 1950 and is also buried in the Enterprise Cemetary. Frank and Rhoda marriage date unknown. I suspect that they had a LDS marriage in the St. George Temple. My Third Grandmother, Alberta Elizabeth TERRY was born 18 December 1902 in Hebron, Washington, UT and died 31 July 1971 in Sacramento, Sacramento, CA and is buried in the Enterprise Cemetary. Her husband was Victor Harvey PHILLIPS. Will continue with the PHILLIPS' next post in case the listserver limits word count per message. Well Terri, my friend, you wanted a little more activity? This family line has enough history to satisfy even the most ardent family historian...me! Thanks for giving me a starting point with your kind lookup. You meet some of the nicest people doing online genealogy. Wayne Busby P.O. Box 1000 Lucerne, CA 95458 email: waynejay@dnai.com

At 09:21 PM 4/2/98 -0700, Jerry R Richards wrote: > >Were any members of the Donner party members of the LDS church? > >Jerry R. > > Okay all, I found the answer. On the Family History Suite cd is this: "Our Pioneer Heritage, Vol. 20, p.455 Thomas Rhoades (Rhoads) and others left Iowa as an exploring group with permission of Mormon authorities. Traveled with Donner-Reed party from Missouri to Hastings Cut-off. Rhoades, wife, 14 children arrived Sacramento Valley Oct. 1846, first Mormon family to come overland. Settled near Cosumnes River. Two sons, John and Daniel, were in 1st Donner rescue group. Wife, Elizabeth died 1847, buried near Benicia. Thomas, 4 children returned to Utah 1849. Family contributed greatly to western U.S. history. About 200 descendants and friends buried here. Deeded to Daughters of Utah Pioneers by Percy Westerberg." This passage lists the four families that comprised the Donner-Reed company.. "B. H. Roberts, Comprehensive History of the Church, Vol.3, Ch.79, p.209-210 The Donner-Reed party numbered 87 persons; 36 being men, 21 women, 30 children, five of the latter being infants; 49 of the whole number belonged to four families, Donner, Graves, Breen, and Murphy. How many wagons were in camp is nowhere stated, so far as I can learn; but since the party, in the main, was made up of well-to-do people, and therefore "well enough provided with the necessary outfit;" and especially was it so with George Donner--from whom the party takes its name--who "was a man of some wealth, and was carrying a stock of merchandize to California for sale"--it is probable, I say, from these circumstances, that the camp had even more than the usual number of wagons with which such companies traveled. From twenty to thirty wagons would certainly be a conservative estimate for a company having in it thirty-six men, with fifty-one women and children, and carrying a stock of goods to California for sale." And here is the final results (there was a lot more, but these were the points) "B. H. Roberts, Comprehensive History of the Church, Vol.3, Ch.79, p.210-211 53. Bancroft's History of California, vol. v, p. 543. "There was nothing remarkable in the composition of the [Donner] company." says Bancroft, "which included rich and poor; American, Irish and German; Protestant, Catholic and Mormon (History of California, vol. v, p. 531). The "Mormons" were represented by the family of a Mrs. Lovenia Murphy, a widow with three sons and two daughters, one of whom, Harriet, was married to Wm. M. Pike. "Mrs. Murphy had lived at Nauvoo and later at Warsaw," according to Bancroft she accepted "an engagement to cook and wash for the emigrants with a view to reach with her children the ultimate destination of the saints." (History of California, vol. v, p. 531, note). She was among those who perished in the mountains. Sergeant Tyler of the Mormon Battalion saw one of the daughters of Mrs. Murphy--Mary--who had meantime married a Mr. Johnson, in California--and from her learned the story condensed by Bancroft. Tyler credits "Sister Murphy" with good motives, but thinks she made a mistake in leaving the saints to go with this party. (Tyler's Mormon Battalion, p. 312. Tyler gives Mrs. Murphy's name as Murry. Wilford Woodruff, who baptized Mrs. Murphy, while on his mission in Tennessee, says she apostatized and joined the mob. See Wilford Woodruff's Journal, 1847, entry for 10th July), by which he means no more, perhaps, than that she lived among those who were mobbing the saints in Illinois. Terri her Terri X Jensen mark jensenet@vii.com ***************************************** * * * BAD SPELLERS OF THE WORLD - UNTIE!! * * * *****************************************

At 09:21 PM 4/2/98 -0700, Jerry R Richards wrote: >This evening my sister ask a question I couldn't answer. Maby someone on >the list can answer it for me. > >Were any members of the Donner party members of the LDS church? > > > >Jerry R. > > Jerry and all I will look and see what I can find in my sources and list the answer here....if I find anything ;) This is an interesting question and I bet it has sparked a few of us to wonder with you. Terri Terri Jensen jensenet@vii.com ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^ ^ ^ Whatever makes me tick needs winding ^ ^ ^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^