Matt, I'm supposing that you're aware of Gerald Lund's fictional work on the Martin and Willie companies. In a paragraph foot noted in that work, he explains that the love interest in the story is based on the lives of William Michael Cowley and Sarah Emily Wall. In addition, though not a rescuer, William's father, Charles Cowley, married Mary Cook Herring, a survivor of the Martin Handcart Company. She is sometimes listed as Herin, due to the way Charles spelled her name in his journal. Jerry Cowley -----Original Message----- From: handcart-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:handcart-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of handcart-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 1:00 AM To: handcart@rootsweb.com Subject: HANDCART Digest, Vol 9, Issue 1 IMPORTANT: When replying to a digest message, DON'T just hit Reply (which will send the entire digest back to the list). Remove all text (the rest of the digest) leaving only the specific message to which you are replying. Also IMPORTANT: change the subject of your reply so it coincides with the message you are sending. Today's Topics: 1. Looking for stories of rescuers who married handcart pioneers from Martin/Willie Handcart companies (Rootsweb Matt) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 11:13:36 -0600 From: Rootsweb Matt <rootswebmatt@gmail.com> Subject: [Handcart] Looking for stories of rescuers who married handcart pioneers from Martin/Willie Handcart companies To: HANDCART@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CAFPADg3U1LVHK39_11NEK=rB8XjKUtng4YokfBq7pKsBFx9u_Q@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hello, One of my ancestors is Anson Call, who was involved in the rescue of the Martin and Willie handcart companies. Wanting to help ensure the long-term care of these destitute pioneers, Brigham Young asked Anson to marry a couple of the single women in those companies and take care of them. I was wondering whether anyone has stories of other rescuers who were asked to, or later decided to, marry members of the handcart companies they helped to rescue. I think it's a fascinating story and I'd appreciate more examples. Thanks, --Matt ------------------------------ To contact the HANDCART list administrator, send an email to HANDCART-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the HANDCART mailing list, send an email to HANDCART@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HANDCART-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of HANDCART Digest, Vol 9, Issue 1 ************************************** __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 13227 (20160324) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 13235 (20160325) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Thanks for the great info. Keep it coming! --Matt Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2016 14:01:04 -0600 > From: "Ronald Colby" <ronaldcolby@q.com> > Subject: Re: [Handcart] Teeples > To: "crm6" <crm6@aol.com>, <handcart@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <A00E5F44111B4293BC6E4DF7CB2C2122@RonaldColbyPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Sidney Teeples b. 10 Feb 1838 d. 30 Jan 1902 m. 27 Oct 1861 Nicholaus > Gourley b 6 Dec 1844 d. 9 Oct 1938 > Sidney Teeples is son of George Bentley Teeples and Huldah Clarinda Colby > > Ron > > > Ronald Colby > ronaldcolby@gmail.com > Kearns, Utah > 801-680-1317 > > "I finally got my head together, now my body is falling apart." > > COLBY FAMILY & OTHERS: > http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=colbyfamily > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "crm6 via" <handcart@rootsweb.com> > To: <HANDCART@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 10:34 AM > Subject: [Handcart] (no subject) > > > Although he was not my direct ancestor (I am related to his father), Sidney > Rigdon Teeples was a 19 year old who drove a wagon from Ft. Supply to bring > food to the Martin Handcart Company. One of the people he brought food to > was Nicholaus Gourley, an 11 year old girl. He married her five years > later > and found out that she was one of those whom he had brought food to. > Linda Frandsen Messick > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >

Sidney Teeples b. 10 Feb 1838 d. 30 Jan 1902 m. 27 Oct 1861 Nicholaus Gourley b 6 Dec 1844 d. 9 Oct 1938 Sidney Teeples is son of George Bentley Teeples and Huldah Clarinda Colby Ron Ronald Colby ronaldcolby@gmail.com Kearns, Utah 801-680-1317 "I finally got my head together, now my body is falling apart." COLBY FAMILY & OTHERS: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=colbyfamily ----- Original Message ----- From: "crm6 via" <handcart@rootsweb.com> To: <HANDCART@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 10:34 AM Subject: [Handcart] (no subject) Although he was not my direct ancestor (I am related to his father), Sidney Rigdon Teeples was a 19 year old who drove a wagon from Ft. Supply to bring food to the Martin Handcart Company. One of the people he brought food to was Nicholaus Gourley, an 11 year old girl. He married her five years later and found out that she was one of those whom he had brought food to. Linda Frandsen Messick ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To contact the HANDCART list administrator, send an email to HANDCART-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the HANDCART mailing list, send an email to HANDCART@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HANDCART-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Although he was not my direct ancestor (I am related to his father), Sidney Rigdon Teeples was a 19 year old who drove a wagon from Ft. Supply to bring food to the Martin Handcart Company. One of the people he brought food to was Nicholaus Gourley, an 11 year old girl. He married her five years later and found out that she was one of those whom he had brought food to. Linda Frandsen Messick

Hello, One of my ancestors is Anson Call, who was involved in the rescue of the Martin and Willie handcart companies. Wanting to help ensure the long-term care of these destitute pioneers, Brigham Young asked Anson to marry a couple of the single women in those companies and take care of them. I was wondering whether anyone has stories of other rescuers who were asked to, or later decided to, marry members of the handcart companies they helped to rescue. I think it's a fascinating story and I'd appreciate more examples. Thanks, --Matt

Sorry Marg, Wish I could be of some help but have no information or leads re the name Beith. I'll put it on my list and let you know if something comes up. Bill Tiernay In a message dated 7/3/2014 8:01:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, marglap@rickarby.net writes: Hi all, wonder if anyone can help. I am researching a soldier who died in WW1 (Australian Army.) William Beith. d 20 July 1916 Fromelles. His father Daniel Beith was born in Campbeltown, and came to Australia. Daniel's parents Robert b 1813 and Barbara (surname unknown) b abt 1815. I am trying to track Robert. It would help to find his death, however Robert and Barbara went to USA in 1855 on a Mormon Migration ship, were in the 1860 US census at St Louis, but then vanish as far as I can tell. There was an Elizabeth Beith (no age given) with them, from Main St Campeltown who was also on another ship in Feb 1856, so she must have returned at least once. (no age given again.) As there were several Robert Beiths born around the same time, same place, I am trying to find the parents of Robert. There is an Elizabeth Beith who dies Jan 1856, in Campbeltown, I got her cert, just says she is a widow and the informer is her nephew Robert. I thought she might be my Robert's mum, as he was in USA, but then who is Elizabeth on the Mormon ship. my questions are: would there be any information about the Mormon migration in Campbelltown or local area? How do I follow up Robert Beith and his calling with the church, I presume he could have been sent anywhere in the world. Very interesting... regards Marg OLeary Port Stephens NSW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To contact the HANDCART list administrator, send an email to HANDCART-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the HANDCART mailing list, send an email to HANDCART@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HANDCART-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, wonder if anyone can help. I am researching a soldier who died in WW1 (Australian Army.) William Beith. d 20 July 1916 Fromelles. His father Daniel Beith was born in Campbeltown, and came to Australia. Daniel's parents Robert b 1813 and Barbara (surname unknown) b abt 1815. I am trying to track Robert. It would help to find his death, however Robert and Barbara went to USA in 1855 on a Mormon Migration ship, were in the 1860 US census at St Louis, but then vanish as far as I can tell. There was an Elizabeth Beith (no age given) with them, from Main St Campeltown who was also on another ship in Feb 1856, so she must have returned at least once. (no age given again.) As there were several Robert Beiths born around the same time, same place, I am trying to find the parents of Robert. There is an Elizabeth Beith who dies Jan 1856, in Campbeltown, I got her cert, just says she is a widow and the informer is her nephew Robert. I thought she might be my Robert's mum, as he was in USA, but then who is Elizabeth on the Mormon ship. my questions are: would there be any information about the Mormon migration in Campbelltown or local area? How do I follow up Robert Beith and his calling with the church, I presume he could have been sent anywhere in the world. Very interesting... regards Marg OLeary Port Stephens NSW

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Hi Jerry, She was dead by the 1870. When I was in SLC last fall, I think they had me look at obits. I'll take a look at my notes. If not, I'll add it to the list. Supposedly she was buried on a high hill in or right outside of Heber City. Will check Ancestry. Thanks! Cheri

Good info--thanks Dr. Robert L. Speakman rlsdoc@pol.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Cowley" <jbcowley@rmci.net> To: handcart@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 3:31:47 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [Handcart] NFS There are errors iin NFS that members can correct or at least add the corrected information to; there are errors that NFS/Salt Lake can correct right now; and there are errors that will be best corrected as the program develops. For example: Level I I can correct anything I enter or have submitted. I can add corrected information to an existing record and select the correct information to display. (This is the technique for contributions by folks who are not currently registered in the system.) I can uncombine mis-combined records. I can contact members who are registered in the system to collaborate on information. (This week I heard from a distant cousin I thought never to meet again. It has been nearly 60 years, and seems like a miracle.) Level II If Salt Lake displays me as deceased, I can contact them and that correction can be made. <G> This level requires documentation. (I must prove myself undead.) If NFS does not display ordinances I have performed for an ancestor, I can scan the document and send it in for a correction to the records. Other corrections require that a scanned document accompany the request, such as uncombining a mis-combined membership record. Level III If "Elizabeth" (no surname) born in the 1500s has 1600 records in her file and shows several thousand children, 70-80 husbands, and a birth range of incredible breadth over a couple of continents, I should wait for the programmers to perfect better uncombining techniques and just make a note of it for later. This type of error occurs most frequently in immigrant pioneer lines, early American lines, such as Mayflower, etc., and their English ancestors. On the other hand, I find that NFS works extremely well with my nonmember lines. I have merged my findings with extracted records and saved much duplication. Those who made the overland trek to Zion in Conestoga wagons or pulling handcarts may have to wait a bit--unless, like some of mine, their descendants became less active. Then there aren't as many contributors to confuse things. Since members made most of the problems, members will have to aid in their solution. It's kind of like being visited down to the third generation... I firmly believe in this program and the people behind it. It has provided some near-miraculous information from sources like membership records, extraction, and contacts. Like me, hopefully, NFS will grow and become more perfected. Like me, it just takes some getting used to. Jerry ----------------------------------------------- When I checked with FamilySearch about correcting errors I was told that it couldn't be done at present. Looks like we will just have to wait until they get something going to do this, but then we have to deal with people that assume that John Colby was in fact John Hickenlopper. Like the surname's aren't even close. Ancestry.com census are full of these corrections __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4978 (20100326) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To contact the HANDCART list administrator, send an email to HANDCART-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the HANDCART mailing list, send an email to HANDCART@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HANDCART-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

GREAT site--thanks! Dr. Robert L. Speakman rlsdoc@pol.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "vicki daughton" <vdaughtoned@yahoo.com> To: handcart@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 9:11:57 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [Handcart] Atlantic sailing route The mormon imigration index is at this new BYU site http://www.lib.byu.edu/mormonmigration/about.php Vicki ________________________________ From: Janet R <amiee@shaw.ca> To: handcart@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, March 28, 2010 8:54:41 AM Subject: Re: [Handcart] Atlantic sailing route   no I don't but I have read many of them... most don't go into much detail of   the sea voyage.   I know that sailing ships had "traditional" routes based on the winds..   However, I will see if I can get my hands on one.   Jerry Cowley wrote: Do you have access to the CD, Mormon Immigration Index? It compiles several accounts of the journey. Jerry   Message: 1 Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 09:09:57 -0600 From: Janet R [1]<amiee@shaw.ca> Subject: [Handcart] Atlantic sailing route To: [2]handcart@rootsweb.com Message-ID: [3]<4BAE1FC5.3050804@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"   In reading the Peder Madsen journal of the Thornton's crossing in 1856 I was   surprised to read this:   May 22   The weather: unstable, northerly wind. 8 o???clock southwest.   Course: west. Voluntary offering came in for the water in Altona, etc. 2   pounds, 10 shillings, 5 pence. From Lars Madsen 15 dollars???4 shillings???3   pounds.  To  the  company three English Stars??? and an English paper; 1   shilling. In the evening a heavy fog and a little wind from the northwest   were present. The gong was sounded and a bell was rung every minute to   prevent a collision.   Is it possible that the ship had to drop down as far as the Virgin Islands   because of the prevailing winds. This one doesn't make any sense to me. It   sounds  like someone went ashore for water and a paper. This man was a   meticulous recorder so I think he would have mentioned more if they did put   into Altona.   So my question is, have any of you knowledge of the usual shipping route   from Liverpool to New York or an explanation for the mention of Altona.   Thanks   Janet __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature da tabase 4979 (20100328) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. [4]http://www.eset.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To contact the HANDCART list administrator, send an email to [5]HANDCART-admin@ rootsweb.com. To post a message to the HANDCART mailing list, send an email to [6]HANDCART@ro otsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [7]HANDCART-request@roots web.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the b ody of the message References   1. mailto:amiee@shaw.ca   2. mailto:handcart@rootsweb.com   3. mailto:4BAE1FC5.3050804@shaw.ca   4. http://www.eset.com/   5. mailto:HANDCART-admin@rootsweb.com   6. mailto:HANDCART@rootsweb.com   7. mailto:HANDCART-request@rootsweb.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To contact the HANDCART list administrator, send an email to HANDCART-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the HANDCART mailing list, send an email to HANDCART@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HANDCART-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To contact the HANDCART list administrator, send an email to HANDCART-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the HANDCART mailing list, send an email to HANDCART@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HANDCART-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I do not know, I have not tried for quite some time. -----Original Message----- From: handcart-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:handcart-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Kennedy Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 9:01 AM To: handcart@rootsweb.com Subject: [Handcart] Is the sssite open? Hello, have not had a message from the site, so wondering if it is open and working? Pat ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To contact the HANDCART list administrator, send an email to HANDCART-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the HANDCART mailing list, send an email to HANDCART@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HANDCART-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2771 - Release Date: 03/26/10 07:33:00

no I don't but I have read many of them... most don't go into much detail of the sea voyage. I know that sailing ships had "traditional" routes based on the winds.. However, I will see if I can get my hands on one. Jerry Cowley wrote: Do you have access to the CD, Mormon Immigration Index? It compiles several accounts of the journey. Jerry Message: 1 Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 09:09:57 -0600 From: Janet R [1]<amiee@shaw.ca> Subject: [Handcart] Atlantic sailing route To: [2]handcart@rootsweb.com Message-ID: [3]<4BAE1FC5.3050804@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" In reading the Peder Madsen journal of the Thornton's crossing in 1856 I was surprised to read this: May 22 The weather: unstable, northerly wind. 8 o???clock southwest. Course: west. Voluntary offering came in for the water in Altona, etc. 2 pounds, 10 shillings, 5 pence. From Lars Madsen 15 dollars???4 shillings???3 pounds. To the company three English Stars??? and an English paper; 1 shilling. In the evening a heavy fog and a little wind from the northwest were present. The gong was sounded and a bell was rung every minute to prevent a collision. Is it possible that the ship had to drop down as far as the Virgin Islands because of the prevailing winds. This one doesn't make any sense to me. It sounds like someone went ashore for water and a paper. This man was a meticulous recorder so I think he would have mentioned more if they did put into Altona. So my question is, have any of you knowledge of the usual shipping route from Liverpool to New York or an explanation for the mention of Altona. Thanks Janet __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature da tabase 4979 (20100328) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. [4]http://www.eset.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To contact the HANDCART list administrator, send an email to [5]HANDCART-admin@ rootsweb.com. To post a message to the HANDCART mailing list, send an email to [6]HANDCART@ro otsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [7]HANDCART-request@roots web.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the b ody of the message References 1. mailto:amiee@shaw.ca 2. mailto:handcart@rootsweb.com 3. mailto:4BAE1FC5.3050804@shaw.ca 4. http://www.eset.com/ 5. mailto:HANDCART-admin@rootsweb.com 6. mailto:HANDCART@rootsweb.com 7. mailto:HANDCART-request@rootsweb.com

Do you have access to the CD, Mormon Immigration Index? It compiles several accounts of the journey. Jerry > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 09:09:57 -0600 > From: Janet R <amiee@shaw.ca> > Subject: [Handcart] Atlantic sailing route > To: handcart@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4BAE1FC5.3050804@shaw.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > > > In reading the Peder Madsen journal of the Thornton's crossing in 1856 I > was > surprised to read this: > May 22 > The weather: unstable, northerly wind. 8 o???clock southwest. > Course: west. Voluntary offering came in for the water in Altona, etc. 2 > pounds, 10 shillings, 5 pence. From Lars Madsen 15 dollars???4 > shillings???3 > pounds. To the company three English Stars??? and an English paper; 1 > shilling. In the evening a heavy fog and a little wind from the > northwest > were present. The gong was sounded and a bell was rung every minute to > prevent a collision. > Is it possible that the ship had to drop down as far as the Virgin > Islands > because of the prevailing winds. This one doesn't make any sense to me. > It > sounds like someone went ashore for water and a paper. This man was a > meticulous recorder so I think he would have mentioned more if they did > put > into Altona. > So my question is, have any of you knowledge of the usual shipping route > from Liverpool to New York or an explanation for the mention of Altona. > Thanks > Janet > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4979 (20100328) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

The mormon imigration index is at this new BYU site http://www.lib.byu.edu/mormonmigration/about.php Vicki ________________________________ From: Janet R <amiee@shaw.ca> To: handcart@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, March 28, 2010 8:54:41 AM Subject: Re: [Handcart] Atlantic sailing route   no I don't but I have read many of them... most don't go into much detail of   the sea voyage.   I know that sailing ships had "traditional" routes based on the winds..   However, I will see if I can get my hands on one.   Jerry Cowley wrote: Do you have access to the CD, Mormon Immigration Index? It compiles several accounts of the journey. Jerry   Message: 1 Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 09:09:57 -0600 From: Janet R [1]<amiee@shaw.ca> Subject: [Handcart] Atlantic sailing route To: [2]handcart@rootsweb.com Message-ID: [3]<4BAE1FC5.3050804@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"   In reading the Peder Madsen journal of the Thornton's crossing in 1856 I was   surprised to read this:   May 22   The weather: unstable, northerly wind. 8 o???clock southwest.   Course: west. Voluntary offering came in for the water in Altona, etc. 2   pounds, 10 shillings, 5 pence. From Lars Madsen 15 dollars???4 shillings???3   pounds.  To  the  company three English Stars??? and an English paper; 1   shilling. In the evening a heavy fog and a little wind from the northwest   were present. The gong was sounded and a bell was rung every minute to   prevent a collision.   Is it possible that the ship had to drop down as far as the Virgin Islands   because of the prevailing winds. This one doesn't make any sense to me. It   sounds  like someone went ashore for water and a paper. This man was a   meticulous recorder so I think he would have mentioned more if they did put   into Altona.   So my question is, have any of you knowledge of the usual shipping route   from Liverpool to New York or an explanation for the mention of Altona.   Thanks   Janet __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature da tabase 4979 (20100328) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. [4]http://www.eset.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To contact the HANDCART list administrator, send an email to [5]HANDCART-admin@ rootsweb.com. To post a message to the HANDCART mailing list, send an email to [6]HANDCART@ro otsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [7]HANDCART-request@roots web.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the b ody of the message References   1. mailto:amiee@shaw.ca   2. mailto:handcart@rootsweb.com   3. mailto:4BAE1FC5.3050804@shaw.ca   4. http://www.eset.com/   5. mailto:HANDCART-admin@rootsweb.com   6. mailto:HANDCART@rootsweb.com   7. mailto:HANDCART-request@rootsweb.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To contact the HANDCART list administrator, send an email to HANDCART-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the HANDCART mailing list, send an email to HANDCART@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HANDCART-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In reading the Peder Madsen journal of the Thornton's crossing in 1856 I was surprised to read this: May 22 The weather: unstable, northerly wind. 8 o’clock southwest. Course: west. Voluntary offering came in for the water in Altona, etc. 2 pounds, 10 shillings, 5 pence. From Lars Madsen 15 dollars”4 shillings”3 pounds. To the company three English Stars� and an English paper; 1 shilling. In the evening a heavy fog and a little wind from the northwest were present. The gong was sounded and a bell was rung every minute to prevent a collision. Is it possible that the ship had to drop down as far as the Virgin Islands because of the prevailing winds. This one doesn't make any sense to me. It sounds like someone went ashore for water and a paper. This man was a meticulous recorder so I think he would have mentioned more if they did put into Altona. So my question is, have any of you knowledge of the usual shipping route from Liverpool to New York or an explanation for the mention of Altona. Thanks Janet

There is a difference in name extraction where double checking happens with newly indexed material and th compilations of redundant records that make up NFS. Basically the members are the "staff" to sort and combine. If something is clearly wrong it can be uncombined as well. See the summary for the individual and click on "combined records " at bottom right. All the Wasatch Front folks came on last so they could work out many (not all) bugs before you all got it. Help Center really can give step by step assistance. Be patient ;-). Good luck! Michele ------Original Message------ From: Ronald Colby Sender: handcart-bounces@rootsweb.com To: handcart@rootsweb.com ReplyTo: handcart@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Handcart] Roots Sent: Mar 26, 2010 12:15 PM When I checked with FamilySearch about correcting errors I was told that it couldn't be done at present. Looks like we will just have to wait until they get something going to do this, but then we have to deal with people that assume that John Colby was in fact John Hickenlopper. Like the surname's aren't even close. Ancestry.com census are full of these corrections I thought two people transcribed each record, they reconciled, if any difference a third party checked. How can three different people make the same dumb mistake. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Speakman" <rlsdoc@pol.net> To: "HANDCART GROUP" <handcart-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 11:25 AM Subject: [Handcart] Roots As long as there is some activity started--I'll ask you folks if you are as frustrated as I am trying to correct the zillion errors that appear on New Familysearch? Dr. Robert L. Speakman rlsdoc@pol.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To contact the HANDCART list administrator, send an email to HANDCART-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the HANDCART mailing list, send an email to HANDCART@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HANDCART-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To contact the HANDCART list administrator, send an email to HANDCART-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the HANDCART mailing list, send an email to HANDCART@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HANDCART-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Everyone new to NFS can get help from Feedback missionaries or Help Center or LDS Consultants list Just remember....combine (if same person with slightly varying info)not dispute! Michele ------Original Message------ From: YLGRAHAM@aol.com Sender: handcart-bounces@rootsweb.com To: handcart@rootsweb.com ReplyTo: handcart@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Handcart] Roots Sent: Mar 26, 2010 11:37 AM Good luck correcting errors on the new family search I found a big error the first time I checked into new family search It shows that my brother died the same day as my father. I know it was a ward clerk that made this error. The clerk was getting rid of all the James Bell's in the ward record. My brother really thought it was funny. I am still waiting to get it corrected. Yvonne ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To contact the HANDCART list administrator, send an email to HANDCART-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the HANDCART mailing list, send an email to HANDCART@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HANDCART-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

>I discovered, much to my delight, a diary of a Danish immigrant who came >on the Thornton with the Wiley company. It has considerable day to day living details. Here is the link. [1]http://handcart.byu.edu/Sources/PederMadsen.aspx He isn't my relative, but I am writing a historical fiction of my Martin company people who did come on the Thornton, not the Horizon as one would expect. References >1. http://handcart.byu.edu/Sources/PederMadsen.aspx --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for this link. My ancestor, John Ellis, was on the S. Curling and came overland with the Hunt wagon train following the Martin and Willie handcarts. He was a joiner/carpenter, so I believe he was held back put to work building wagons and handcarts in the summer. There was mixing of emigrants and ship's companies in Iowa City for various reasons. Our Willie ancestors were Joseph and Sarah Wall, sent on ahead by their family under the care of Millen Atwood. May I suggest some more recent reading: "The Price We Paid" by Andrew D. Olsen. He separates the stories of each handcart company so the narrative thread is very clear on each experience. for a nonmember point of view: "Devil's Gate" by David Roberts If there are accounts of the "scouts" who remained at Devil's Gate for the winter to guard the stuff they left behind, in addition to that of Daniel W. Jones' book "Forty Years Among the Indians," I'd love to hear of them. Jerry __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4978 (20100326) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com