I meant a 12 and 11 at that position. In a message dated 2/5/2013 3:15:26 P.M. Central Standard Time, JULIAFWOOD@aol.com writes: However, If you look at Group 4, you can see that "all" the descendants of Old William Hancock of Craven County, NC have the same mutation at DYS439 where they have a 14 and "all" descendants of the Maryland Hancock line have an 11 at that position,