Does anyone know how I can buy a copy of "The Hancock brothers from Virginia" (William Hancock, 1738-1818, Stephen Hancock, 1744-1827) written by Maureen Hancock. that is distributed by the Hancock Family Organization? I am also interested in meeting and exchanging imfomation with anyone who may be of the following line: Stephen Hancock, 1744-1827 Robert Hancock 1777-1858 Stephen Kavanauagh Hancock 1804-1891 Thanks, Casey McAllister
New Hope Baptist Church Cemetery, Hammond Twp, Spencer Co. IN Hancock, Levias 16 Sep 1866 - 15 May 1919 Hancock, Cassie 1884 - 1908 Hancock, Ethel 5 Jan 1890 - 9 Aug 1892 d/o L & EH Hancock, Wm R 1858 - 1938 Elizabeth A 1862 - 1914 Hancock, James W 2 Aug 1870 - 2 Sep 1871 s/o George & Julia Hancock, Velva E 19 Oct 1874 - 6 Nov 1874 d/o George & Julia Hancock, Mary E 10 Dec 1861 - 25 Apr 1902 w/o GW Hancock, Tobias 7 May 1860 - 21 Feb 1889 Hancock, George W 31 Dec 1835 - 22 Mar 1877 Julia 9 Aug 1841 - 10 Jun 1911 Hancock, Thomas L 1866 - 1947 Lovernia C 1867 - 1962 Hancock, J Loren 1885 - Juanita S 1884 - 1949 Hancock, Robert E 1927 - 1935 Boultinghouse Funeral Home Hancock, Francis M 19 Feb 1837 - 15 Oct 1911 Co K 4 Ind Cav Eveline 4 Sep 1835 - 27 Aug 1916 Hancock, Robert 19 Aug 1891 Mary A 15 Jul 1878 71y4m11d Hancock, Edward W 7 Jun 1831 - 4 Aug 1890 Hancock, Mary A 1837 - 1918 Mother Velvia A Sharp 1861 - 1951 Daughter Hancock, Ebben L 11 Jan 1866 - 13 Nov 1862 s/o EW & MA (I entered the date as it is in the cemetery book - obviously an error) Hancock, Wilkes 1879 - 1964 Mollie 1902 - Hancock, Oscar B "Skipper" 1913 - 1970 Hancock, C Ives 1895 - 1979 Jessie L 1900 - Hancock, Hilbert T 1906 - 1979 Mason Anna L 1914 - Hancock, Infant 1934 - 1934 s/o Oscar & Evelyn James
You've got PARHAMs ??? Can you tell me (off-line) about your line ? I have PARHAMs in Surry/Brunswick Co VA . malinda James Lynch wrote: > Alicia, > I have had numerous requests for Hancock data. I will put all I have on the > rootsweb mailing list. It will take several days to get it all out. > Hopefully, you can sort through the data and pull out what pertains to your > family. > Sincerely, > James > ----- Original Message ----- > From: alicia d frank <alicia.df1@juno.com> > To: <HANCOCK-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 8:00 PM > Subject: Re: [HANCOCK-L] Francis Hancock MD to IN > > > James Lynch: > > > > I found my grandmother's 1906 DAR app and that 1907 of another cousin/ > > aunt? > > > > Mrs.Katherine Elizabeth Hancock Mattingly were both desc from > > > > Rev War soldier, PVT William Hancock of Mass. > > > > My Grandmother was from Kokomo, Howard Co, Indiana and I have info of her > > Hancock grandmother but not the Hancock family in any census. > > > > Mrs Mattingly lists her parents : > > > > John Hancock and Emeline Parham. > > > > Katherine was b St Louis, MO in late 1800s > > > > John's parents: > > > > Francis Hancock and Elizabeth Poor > > > > Katherine m Joe Mattingly and had a daughter > > > > MONETTE C MAttingly > > ----------------------------------- > > NOTE THE NAME MONETTE !! > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Can you see if you can find any listing of this Fancis Hancock faMILY > > in Spencer county? > > --------------------------------- > > > > My grandmother Angie MONETTE Butcher, b 1878 paternal grandmother was > > > > Sadona Hancock / "Ladena" / "Ladona" m 1J H Brown . 1838 in Bartholomew > > Co, IN. > > > > m 2 Wm BUTCHER 1840 DECATUR CO, IN > > > > parents were Francis Hancock and Elizabeth Poor > > > > So, John Hancock and Sadona were brother and sister? > > > > Sadona was Aunt of Mrs Mattingly I suppose > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Sadona's son, John Butcher b 1843, was Katherine's 1st cousin and his > > > > daughter Angie MONETTE Butcher and > > > > Katherine Mattingly's daughter MONETTE C. Mattingly > > > > were named for ....someone special to them?. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ---------------------- > > > > Its a wild goose chase but this is the first glimmer of hope.. > > > > .Hoping that you aren't to confused? ... > > > > Alicia in Jax FL > > > > > > ==== HANCOCK Mailing List ==== > > Check out our HANCOCK Project World Wide at: > > http://members.aol.com/heatherjvw/Hancock/ > > > > > > ==== HANCOCK Mailing List ==== > Feel free to post the data you find on HANCOCK > in your research. Census, bible, wills, marriages, > deaths, cemetery, deeds, tax lists, and other > useful data. You might help a cousin who needs it.
Taken from "Rockport Journal" June 23, 1911 (Spencer Co. IN) Julia Sargent Hancock was born Aug 9, 1841, died June 10, 1911, aged 69 years, 9 months and 1 day. She was converted and joined the M.E. Church when a girl. She united in marriage to George W. Hancock Aug. 11, 1859, to this union was born nine children, five boys and four girls. Four preceded her to the better land, Tobias S., James W., Evelvia E. and Mary, who died in infancy. She joined the Baptist church soon after her marriage. She was a---istent faithful loving member of the church until death removed her to her heavenly home. She leaves three sons, two daughters, Thomas L. Hancock, Newtonville, Leonard M. Hancock, George C. Hancock, Owensboro, Ky., Anna M. Webb, Newtonville, Julia E. LaFever, Muncie, four brothers, Samuel Sargent, Fordsville, Ky., Edward, Chrisney, James Sargent, Degonia Springs, Thomas J. Sargent, Cherry Grove, Kan., deceased, and two sisters, Elner Sutton, Newtonville and Eveline Sidwell, Elwood. She leaves a host of loving friends to mourn her departure. Rev. R.A. Stevens, conducted the funeral services assisted by the Rev. John W. Bunner after which the remains were laid to rest in the New Hope Cemetery at Newtonville. James
Taken from "Grandview Monitor" Aug 11, 1938 (Spencer Co. Indiana) William R Hancock dies William R. Hancock, age 79, died at the home of his daughter, Mrs. John Haller in Evansville, yesterday afternoon, following a long illness. Besides Mrs. Haller, he is survived by two other daughters, Pearl Gaesser of Newtonville and Lena Hancock of Evansville; two sisters, Elizabeth Lloyd of Richland and Velvia Sharp of Evansville; two grandsons and a granddaughter. Funeral services will be held in Evansville and continued at the New Hope Baptist Church at Newtonville tomorrow afternoon, with interment in the church cemetery. James
Taken from "Rockport Journal" May 23, 1919 (Spencer Co. IN) Levias Hancock, son of Edward W. and Mary Hancock, was born in Clermont County, Ohio, Sept. !6 1856, died May 15, 1919, aged 62 years, 7 months and 29 days. Levias was the oldest of a family of five children. He was united in marriage to Elizabeth Cotton, May 6, 1884. To this union four children have been born, two sons and two daughters. Mr. Hancock united with the New Hope Baptist Church in the fall of 1880. He was a charter member of the MWA Lodge of Newtonville, also a member of the IOOF Lodge of Newtonville. The family and relatives extend to these two orders their heartfelt sympathy for their kindness and benevolence during his sickness and patient suffering. The past 15 years Mr. Hancock has been in the employ of the government as teacher in the industrial school at Toma, Wis. To this work he gave his entire time, and through his careful and untiming efforts of this school it has become the best in the service of the government. He leaves to mourn his departure his devoted wife, two sons, one brother and two sisters, his two daughters having preceded him to their eternal home some years ago. Mr Hancock was ready and willing to go. He knew his departure was at hand, he fought a great fight, he finished his course. He had kept the faith. Henceforth there is laid for him a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge shall give him at that day and not to him only but unto all them also that love his appearing. The remains were brought to Newtonville, his old place May 18, servings being conducted by the Rev. McKinney, pastor of the M.E. Church at that place. James
This is a bio from "History of Warrick, Spencer and Perry Counties Indiana" by Goodspeed 1885 Edward W. Hancock, a native of Worcester County, Md., was born January 7, 1831, being the eldest of eleven children in the family of Robert and Mary (Tinly) Hancock, also natives of Maryland, and of English descent. When Edward was but five years of age his parents removed from his native county to Clermont County, Ohio, where they remained until 1854. He was reared on the farm and remained at home until his marriage to Mary Behymer, which occurred September 20, 1854. Two weeks later they started for Spencer County, where in due time they arrived. He has since been engaged in farming. He now has 100 acres of good land, and has given 120 acres to his sons. He has four children: Levias, who married Lizzie Cotton; William R. who married Lizzie Hopkins; Belva, wife of A.W. Sharp, and Lizzie, now Mrs. A. Floyd. One child is deceased. He and wife are members of the Baptist Church. In politics he is a Republican, and a man respected by all who know him. James
Alicia, I have had numerous requests for Hancock data. I will put all I have on the rootsweb mailing list. It will take several days to get it all out. Hopefully, you can sort through the data and pull out what pertains to your family. Sincerely, James ----- Original Message ----- From: alicia d frank <alicia.df1@juno.com> To: <HANCOCK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [HANCOCK-L] Francis Hancock MD to IN > James Lynch: > > I found my grandmother's 1906 DAR app and that 1907 of another cousin/ > aunt? > > Mrs.Katherine Elizabeth Hancock Mattingly were both desc from > > Rev War soldier, PVT William Hancock of Mass. > > My Grandmother was from Kokomo, Howard Co, Indiana and I have info of her > Hancock grandmother but not the Hancock family in any census. > > Mrs Mattingly lists her parents : > > John Hancock and Emeline Parham. > > Katherine was b St Louis, MO in late 1800s > > John's parents: > > Francis Hancock and Elizabeth Poor > > Katherine m Joe Mattingly and had a daughter > > MONETTE C MAttingly > ----------------------------------- > NOTE THE NAME MONETTE !! > -------------------------------------------------- > Can you see if you can find any listing of this Fancis Hancock faMILY > in Spencer county? > --------------------------------- > > My grandmother Angie MONETTE Butcher, b 1878 paternal grandmother was > > Sadona Hancock / "Ladena" / "Ladona" m 1J H Brown . 1838 in Bartholomew > Co, IN. > > m 2 Wm BUTCHER 1840 DECATUR CO, IN > > parents were Francis Hancock and Elizabeth Poor > > So, John Hancock and Sadona were brother and sister? > > Sadona was Aunt of Mrs Mattingly I suppose > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Sadona's son, John Butcher b 1843, was Katherine's 1st cousin and his > > daughter Angie MONETTE Butcher and > > Katherine Mattingly's daughter MONETTE C. Mattingly > > were named for ....someone special to them?. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------------------- > > Its a wild goose chase but this is the first glimmer of hope.. > > .Hoping that you aren't to confused? ... > > Alicia in Jax FL > > > ==== HANCOCK Mailing List ==== > Check out our HANCOCK Project World Wide at: > http://members.aol.com/heatherjvw/Hancock/ > >
James Lynch: I found my grandmother's 1906 DAR app and that 1907 of another cousin/ aunt? Mrs.Katherine Elizabeth Hancock Mattingly were both desc from Rev War soldier, PVT William Hancock of Mass. My Grandmother was from Kokomo, Howard Co, Indiana and I have info of her Hancock grandmother but not the Hancock family in any census. Mrs Mattingly lists her parents : John Hancock and Emeline Parham. Katherine was b St Louis, MO in late 1800s John's parents: Francis Hancock and Elizabeth Poor Katherine m Joe Mattingly and had a daughter MONETTE C MAttingly ----------------------------------- NOTE THE NAME MONETTE !! -------------------------------------------------- Can you see if you can find any listing of this Fancis Hancock faMILY in Spencer county? --------------------------------- My grandmother Angie MONETTE Butcher, b 1878 paternal grandmother was Sadona Hancock / "Ladena" / "Ladona" m 1J H Brown . 1838 in Bartholomew Co, IN. m 2 Wm BUTCHER 1840 DECATUR CO, IN parents were Francis Hancock and Elizabeth Poor So, John Hancock and Sadona were brother and sister? Sadona was Aunt of Mrs Mattingly I suppose ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sadona's son, John Butcher b 1843, was Katherine's 1st cousin and his daughter Angie MONETTE Butcher and Katherine Mattingly's daughter MONETTE C. Mattingly were named for ....someone special to them?. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- Its a wild goose chase but this is the first glimmer of hope.. .Hoping that you aren't to confused? ... Alicia in Jax FL
Hi James, Where did you find this article. I find it very interesting since it's about the same time my mystery Hancock came to Indiana. Thanks.Tamara ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Lynch" <woobie@peoplepc.com> To: <HANCOCK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 4:08 AM Subject: [HANCOCK-L] Francis Hancock MD to IN > Taken from "The Chrisney Sun" Spencer Co. IN > Another Old Soldier > " Francis M. Hancock, son of Robert and Mary Hancock, deceased was born in Maryland, Feb. 10 1837, departed this life Sunday, Oct. 15, 1911, making him at his death 74 years, 8 months and 5 days of age. At six months old he moved with his parents to Indiana. He was united in marriage to Eveline Fitspatrick, Jan 16, 1859. To this union seven children were born. The eldest, Mary, proceeded him to the better world about 24 years ago. > He was converted and united with the Baptist Church 45 years ago, having lived a constant member ever since. He was always ready and willing to lend a helping hand to all who needed him. He was a kind neighbor, a loving husband and father. And when his country called he left home, friends and family to join with others in fighting for his country. He served three years and at the close of the war he came home with an honorable discharge. > He leaves to mourn him, his widow and six children. They are Mrs. Mattie Tichenor of Jeffersonville, Mrs Jennie Whitehouse of Rockport, Mrs. Cora Bartley of Peru, Mrs. Luella Whitehouse of Louisville, Ky., Mrs. Velva Lloyd and Mrs. Flossie Barker of Chrisney and three sisters, Mrs. Geneva Selby and Mrs. Maria John of Newtonville and Mrs. Maggie John of Missouri, and a host of relatives and friends. > He has been an invalid for the past twp years and in all his suffering he was never heard to complain but bore his affliction with Christian patience. He was ready and wiling to go when his summons came and told his family that he was going home. The burial was at the New Hope Cemetery at Newtonvile Tuesday afternoon after a very impressive funeral sermon at the church by Rev. Z.T. Walker" > > New Hope Baptist Cemetery, Hammond Twp., Spencer Co. IN > Hancock, Francis M. 19 Feb 1837 - 15 Oct 1911 Co K 4 Ind Cav > Eveline 4 Sep 1835 - 27 Aug 1916 > > > James > > > ==== HANCOCK Mailing List ==== > If you would like to submit HANCOCK Census records, Wills > or other documents to be posted on our Project Page, > contact: JuliaFWood@aol.com
Taken from "The Chrisney Sun" Spencer Co. IN Another Old Soldier " Francis M. Hancock, son of Robert and Mary Hancock, deceased was born in Maryland, Feb. 10 1837, departed this life Sunday, Oct. 15, 1911, making him at his death 74 years, 8 months and 5 days of age. At six months old he moved with his parents to Indiana. He was united in marriage to Eveline Fitspatrick, Jan 16, 1859. To this union seven children were born. The eldest, Mary, proceeded him to the better world about 24 years ago. He was converted and united with the Baptist Church 45 years ago, having lived a constant member ever since. He was always ready and willing to lend a helping hand to all who needed him. He was a kind neighbor, a loving husband and father. And when his country called he left home, friends and family to join with others in fighting for his country. He served three years and at the close of the war he came home with an honorable discharge. He leaves to mourn him, his widow and six children. They are Mrs. Mattie Tichenor of Jeffersonville, Mrs Jennie Whitehouse of Rockport, Mrs. Cora Bartley of Peru, Mrs. Luella Whitehouse of Louisville, Ky., Mrs. Velva Lloyd and Mrs. Flossie Barker of Chrisney and three sisters, Mrs. Geneva Selby and Mrs. Maria John of Newtonville and Mrs. Maggie John of Missouri, and a host of relatives and friends. He has been an invalid for the past twp years and in all his suffering he was never heard to complain but bore his affliction with Christian patience. He was ready and wiling to go when his summons came and told his family that he was going home. The burial was at the New Hope Cemetery at Newtonvile Tuesday afternoon after a very impressive funeral sermon at the church by Rev. Z.T. Walker" New Hope Baptist Cemetery, Hammond Twp., Spencer Co. IN Hancock, Francis M. 19 Feb 1837 - 15 Oct 1911 Co K 4 Ind Cav Eveline 4 Sep 1835 - 27 Aug 1916 James
HANCOCK Lulu 23 Moundsville WV Roanoke VA WHITE James Edward 29 Moundsville WV Richmond VA 03 Apr 1900 G 530
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Bill, In my case I found in checking with them and I finally was sent a copy of the disk (at no charge) that a publication several years before (Everton's " Genealogical Helper" ) had sold all their info to Family Tree Maker. At that time I had sent a query about a 'Ruffus" and later found it to be incorrect. Now the whole genealogical commmunity has a wrong name and I cannot change it. I'll stick to Rootsweb where I can change what I want to and let what I want to be seen into the Genealogical community. Helene ----- Original Message ----- From: <WCook14024@aol.com> To: <HANCOCK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 7:04 AM Subject: Re: [HANCOCK-L] WFT, Rootsweb & Ancestry In a message dated 6/9/2001 6:42:05 AM Central Daylight Time, happynretired@netscape.net writes: > IF THE ABOVE STATEMENT IS TRUE - then I want someone to explain to me just > WHERE the trees come from that are sold by the thousands on the FTM CDs! They are submitted to Family Treemaker by the users of the programs who want to share their information, whether correct or not and no corrections are ever made, so be sure to double check the info you get from any of them. Bill Cook ==== HANCOCK Mailing List ==== If you would like to submit HANCOCK Census records, Wills or other documents to be posted on our Project Page, contact: JuliaFWood@aol.com
In a message dated 06/09/2001 5:02:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, HANCOCK-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Debbie in Ohio: Thanks for the additional information! It really sounds like a good way to post our various lines. Maybe more will post their lines there. Jim Hancock
In a message dated 6/9/2001 6:42:05 AM Central Daylight Time, happynretired@netscape.net writes: > IF THE ABOVE STATEMENT IS TRUE - then I want someone to explain to me just > WHERE the trees come from that are sold by the thousands on the FTM CDs! They are submitted to Family Treemaker by the users of the programs who want to share their information, whether correct or not and no corrections are ever made, so be sure to double check the info you get from any of them. Bill Cook
HANCOCK-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > > I would also like to add my comments about the above. World Family Tree is > by Family Tree Makers, and did or does burn submitted trees to CD which it > copyrights and sells. IF THE ABOVE STATEMENT IS TRUE - then I want someone to explain to me just WHERE the trees come from that are sold by the thousands on the FTM CDs! > > Ancestry.com has NEVER done so, and of course Rootsweb does not either. > Ancestry.com's purchase of Rootsweb enabled Rootsweb to stay financially > afloat, and Ancestry's family tree area and bulletin board are NOT part of > their subscription service, but free to all. > > When uploading your family tree to Rootsweb's World Connect site, the > submitter has full control of what they wish to share. This includes an > option that does NOT allow the gedcom file to be downloaded. Sources can be > shown or suppressed. In several cases, I have contacted the submitter > because when they upload their file they say something like "this is the > bare outline of what I have, please contact me for more information or for > sources" or "I will share if you will share" which meant they sent me their > gedcom file when I explained my line of descent, and shared mine with them. > Some people are very free with their information and allow gedcom > downloading. When you find an ancestor and click on the "pedigree" link, the > options the sumitter has decided to include are at the bottom of the screen. > This may or may not include "download gedcom". > > Rootsweb was recently asked in their newsletter why they did not combine > gedcom files because some lines seem to be extremely redundant. Their reply > was that when a person submits a file, they in effect, have a mini-personal > website. I would like to note that submitting a gedcom file to Rootsweb and > not allowing a viewer to download, is no different that posting the > information on another personal web site somewhere else. People can > copy/paste the information from *any* website if it is submitted as text, > rather than a graphic. And if it is loaded as a graphic, one can go through > the laborious effort of manually entering the "found" data into their own > files. > > I personally keep two gedcom files: one built on primary sources, and one > with "leads" to follow up on, which includes Rootsweb and WFT files, 19th > century newspaper gossip, family heresay, psychic readings, and other > unproven-by-primary-sources leads. I am *extremely* grateful to anyone who > shares, especially ealier than the 19th century, as my aptitude in > understanding court records or deciphering records beyond that point is > minimal, at best. I am fortunate to live within a three-hour drive of every > one of my 19th century ancestors, and so concentrate on them (and share). > > Peace, > Debbie in Ohio > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ==== HANCOCK Mailing List ==== > Where to send messages to the list..... > HANCOCK-L@rootsweb.com > > __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/
Thank you for the information. Mary
I would also like to add my comments about the above. World Family Tree is by Family Tree Makers, and did or does burn submitted trees to CD which it copyrights and sells. Ancestry.com has NEVER done so, and of course Rootsweb does not either. Ancestry.com's purchase of Rootsweb enabled Rootsweb to stay financially afloat, and Ancestry's family tree area and bulletin board are NOT part of their subscription service, but free to all. When uploading your family tree to Rootsweb's World Connect site, the submitter has full control of what they wish to share. This includes an option that does NOT allow the gedcom file to be downloaded. Sources can be shown or suppressed. In several cases, I have contacted the submitter because when they upload their file they say something like "this is the bare outline of what I have, please contact me for more information or for sources" or "I will share if you will share" which meant they sent me their gedcom file when I explained my line of descent, and shared mine with them. Some people are very free with their information and allow gedcom downloading. When you find an ancestor and click on the "pedigree" link, the options the sumitter has decided to include are at the bottom of the screen. This may or may not include "download gedcom". Rootsweb was recently asked in their newsletter why they did not combine gedcom files because some lines seem to be extremely redundant. Their reply was that when a person submits a file, they in effect, have a mini-personal website. I would like to note that submitting a gedcom file to Rootsweb and not allowing a viewer to download, is no different that posting the information on another personal web site somewhere else. People can copy/paste the information from *any* website if it is submitted as text, rather than a graphic. And if it is loaded as a graphic, one can go through the laborious effort of manually entering the "found" data into their own files. I personally keep two gedcom files: one built on primary sources, and one with "leads" to follow up on, which includes Rootsweb and WFT files, 19th century newspaper gossip, family heresay, psychic readings, and other unproven-by-primary-sources leads. I am *extremely* grateful to anyone who shares, especially ealier than the 19th century, as my aptitude in understanding court records or deciphering records beyond that point is minimal, at best. I am fortunate to live within a three-hour drive of every one of my 19th century ancestors, and so concentrate on them (and share). Peace, Debbie in Ohio _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
My name is Denisa and I am new to the list and genealogy. I am just now beginning my research into my family. I know nothing about my dad's family beyond my grandparents. My grandmother was Nancy Lynn Hancock (1912-1986) and from Virginia. She married George Hinkle (1910-1988) and lived all of her married life in Montogomery County (Rockville), Maryland. My grandmother told stories that we are related to John Hancock. But I was young and didn't listen to just how....now I wish I had listened LOL. She had several brothers, but I only know one, Chester. If anyone has any leads for me, I'd really apprieciate it. I am having problems finding anything on the web. Oh, by the way, her mothers maiden name MAY HAVE been Hurt. Denisa