This is not my line, and I have no connection to it, but I do think those who are connected should be very proud of this man's abilities, in a time of great difficulty. It was a wonderful write up. Ardath ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shirley" <swarren2@prodigy.net> To: <HANCOCK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [HANCOCK-L] Richard Mason Hancock > What is your response to the message about the above subject? You have > twice re-sent the original message to the list without any remarks. > > Shirley Warren > > > ==== HANCOCK Mailing List ==== > Feel free to post the data you find on HANCOCK > in your research. Census, bible, wills, marriages, > deaths, cemetery, deeds, tax lists, and other > useful data. You might help a cousin who needs it. >

Hello list: ANOTHER HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO ARVIL!!! Arvil, I hope you know just how much many of us appreciate your work, and especially your continued involvement in Hancock research. As I have told you, without your work I would probably still be out there roaming the Virginia hills looking for my Hancocks. Your the best! >From the Randolph-Macon college's website: "The college's roots go back more than a century and a half to its founding by Methodists in 1830. Randolph-Macon's first campus was in Boydton, Virginia, near the border with North Carolina. The destruction of railways during the Civil War made the site inaccessible, and in 1868 the college moved to its present campus in Ashland, Virginia." If I may, I would like to present a few additional points on the matter of Robert and Margaret Hancock, which may be relevant to this case. Please know that my intentions are not to discredit any former/current Hancock researchers, whom I hold in high regard. Consider: 1). Margaret Hancock of Henrico and Chesterfield counties, Virginia, made a number of land transactions from 1747-1751, associating her with men named William, George, Joshua, and Thomas Hancock. And various land transactions were made in that same time period and in those same counties among Robert, William, George, and Joshua. In 1750 Margaret deeded property to Joshua (both parties of Chesterfield Co). And in 1751 Margaret and Joshua deeded property to George of Chest Co.; and to Robert of Chest. Co. It appears she decided to give her land to her children rather than later devising the property to them by will. 2). This leads us to Robert Hancock, whose wife was named Margaret, given in Adventurers of Purse and Person. He was a son of Robert and Johan (Ligon) Hancock. Robert Hancock, son of Robert and Johan, was living in 1729. His family resided in Henrico County, Virginia. The time frame and location fit well. 3). According to such secondary sources as “The Johnstons of Salisbury, with a Brief Supplement Concerning the Hancock, Strother and Preston Families” (1897), by William Preston Johnston, the Bible (unfortunately) does not name Robert Hancock's wife, but lists his sons as Robert, Edward, William, George, Thomas, and Joshua. (Note: As shown above the names Robert, William, George and Joshua appear in the deed records). 4). We also have Mary Jones as the wife of George Hancock. Mary Jones was the daughter of Rice and Frances (Bowman) Jones. See in part, the Will of Mary’s mother, Frances Jones, in WB 1 P 237 (24 May 1752), Chesterfield Co., Va.: "To daughter Mary Hancock, 1 negro…” This connects the family of Mary, George’s wife, to Chesterfield Co. and in the same time period as the deed transfers above. All the above evidence, I think, leads us to Robert and Margaret (unknown) Hancock as having been the probable parents of the children named in the Bible. But there are other reasons for believing this: 5). If the ancestral lines of brothers, Robert (b 1711) and George (1724-1782), et al, did go through Augustine, son of William (b ca 1580), then Simon (1717-1791), whom (we think may have) had the Bible, and Robert & George (above) et al, would have been 3rd cousins once removed. If however, the line went instead through Simon, son of William (b ca 1580), then Simon (who had the Bible) and Robert & George (above) et al, would have been first cousins. One would think that the Bible info would have more likely come from the nearer relatives. 6). No attempt is being made here to discredit the whole of the Bible record, nor is that necessary. But with the recently discussed evidence of the land transactions I do think that maybe some of the Bible material was simply copied down wrong. If that info were copied from other Bibles, say from those owned by Simon’s father, and/or his grandfather, then it is possible that this portion was copied wrong. This does not discredit the whole of the Bible record. It seems wise to hold to the Bible record except where other compelling evidence seems to contradicts any of its parts. So, unless/until other parts are brought into question, the rest of the Bible record can be considered reliable. Note that the earliest info on William Hancock, (b. ca 1580), supposedly in the Bible, has long been substantiated. That is, a William Hancock is clearly shown as an adventurer in the Virginia Company. Also, if this new alignment is correct, it substantiates the portion of the Bible record in which the names the children of Robert Hancock are given. It’s hard to imagine just how someone would have gotten that kind of info if it were not true. And apparently many older researchers believed firmly in the Bible’s existence and reliability. But, regardless of that, I know of no lineage society, which will accept a Bible record as legitimate without producing the Bible. Maybe we can somehow track it down, or else get more info from one of the earlier secondary sources which referred to it. 7). Another reason for making the change is the lack of Virginia county records relative to Augustine, son of William (b ca 1580), on down to George (1658-1682). One would think that there would be something more there to indicate their presence. While there may be some other records, which were lost by fire, etc., we just don't have them now...that I am aware of. We do, however, have some pretty good evidence supporting the possibility/likelihood that the people named in the (supposed) Bible were the children of Robert and Margaret Hancock. We would probably do well to concentrate our research along those lines, and see where it leads. I think we’re all seeking the truth. For me, until something more compelling arises, I will show the “new” alignment. Let’s continue the research and the good discussions! Jim Hancock

What is your response to the message about the above subject? You have twice re-sent the original message to the list without any remarks. Shirley Warren

The way I understand it Randolph Macon has 2 campuses. The other one I believe is in Lynchburg. The other campus maybe the one who has the bible. Does any one live near or have the email address? >From: "Elaine Waiters" <ewaiters@thegrid.net> >Reply-To: HANCOCK-L@rootsweb.com >To: HANCOCK-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [HANCOCK-L] Simon Hancock-Jane Flournoy Bible >Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 12:52:28 -0700 > >In response to my query regarding the Hancock-Flournoy bible, I received >the >following e-mail from: >Nancy Newins >Head of Reference and Instruction >McGraw-Page Library >Randolph-Macon College >Ashland, VA. 23005 >804-752-4718 nnewins@rmc.edu > >"I'm sorry but the reference is incorrect. We do not have this bible. >Sorry. NN" > >Looks like a dead end--any suggestions? > >Elaine in CA > > >==== HANCOCK Mailing List ==== >Check out our HANCOCK Project World Wide at: >http://members.aol.com/heatherjvw/Hancock/ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

Arvil, I echo Sue's Birthday wish! Have a wonderful day, and pass our best on to your family! Dale in Kentucky Sue wrote: > Happy Birthday to You, Avril. Hope you have a great day and plenty of presents and friends to share your birthday cake. > Sue in Ky. > > ==== HANCOCK Mailing List ==== > Check out our HANCOCK Project World Wide at: > http://members.aol.com/heatherjvw/Hancock/

Cathy, The William we've been talking about was one time thought to have been married to Susan Poytner (spelling?), but that was later disproved. He is believed to be the father of the 3 Hancock sons in VA in the early-mid 1600's - Simon, William, and Augustine. Lisa Check out my website at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/7502/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: <CathyCadd@aol.com> To: <HANCOCK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 1:17 PM Subject: [HANCOCK-L] William Hancock > I am new here so could someone fill me in on which William Hancock all this > talk is about. I have a William Hancock married to a Jane married abt 1730; > a William married to a Sarah Harding married October 11, 1785; and a William > married to a Sally/ Sarah Asher married January 09, 1817. > > Thanks Cathy > > > ==== HANCOCK Mailing List ==== > If you would like to submit HANCOCK Census records, Wills > or other documents to be posted on our Project Page, > contact: JuliaFWood@aol.com >

If anyone has any information of William Hancock who. while living in Hamilton County, TN, married Rebecca Vandergriff, please contact me.

I am new here so could someone fill me in on which William Hancock all this talk is about. I have a William Hancock married to a Jane married abt 1730; a William married to a Sarah Harding married October 11, 1785; and a William married to a Sally/ Sarah Asher married January 09, 1817. Thanks Cathy

Hi Karen Here is the library page from the Randolph Macon website. I don't see anything indicating 2 campuses on the homepage. http://www.rmc.edu/library/ Donna Hancock donna@nethancock.com www.nethancock.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "karen fallin" <karen_fallin@hotmail.com> To: <HANCOCK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [HANCOCK-L] Simon Hancock-Jane Flournoy Bible > The way I understand it Randolph Macon has 2 campuses. The other one I > believe is in Lynchburg. The other campus maybe the one who has the bible. > Does any one live near or have the email address? > > > >From: "Elaine Waiters" <ewaiters@thegrid.net> > >Reply-To: HANCOCK-L@rootsweb.com > >To: HANCOCK-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [HANCOCK-L] Simon Hancock-Jane Flournoy Bible > >Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 12:52:28 -0700 > > > >In response to my query regarding the Hancock-Flournoy bible, I received > >the > >following e-mail from: > >Nancy Newins > >Head of Reference and Instruction > >McGraw-Page Library > >Randolph-Macon College > >Ashland, VA. 23005 > >804-752-4718 nnewins@rmc.edu > > > >"I'm sorry but the reference is incorrect. We do not have this bible. > >Sorry. NN" > > > >Looks like a dead end--any suggestions? > > > >Elaine in CA > > > > > >==== HANCOCK Mailing List ==== > >Check out our HANCOCK Project World Wide at: > >http://members.aol.com/heatherjvw/Hancock/ > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > ==== HANCOCK Mailing List ==== > If you have a HANCOCK Genealogy Homepage, and would > like to have it listed on our Links page, send the URL to the > list, or to: JuliaFWood@aol.com >

Hi all, Here is something you probably already know. My sister recently found a book in the VA archives called "The Hancock Family of England and America" by Arvil Dale Hancock. There is a discussion of William Hancock on p. 4-7 and p. 24-31. Mary

In response to my query regarding the Hancock-Flournoy bible, I received the following e-mail from: Nancy Newins Head of Reference and Instruction McGraw-Page Library Randolph-Macon College Ashland, VA. 23005 804-752-4718 nnewins@rmc.edu "I'm sorry but the reference is incorrect. We do not have this bible. Sorry. NN" Looks like a dead end--any suggestions? Elaine in CA

Happy Birthday to You, Avril. Hope you have a great day and plenty of presents and friends to share your birthday cake. Sue in Ky.

Ardath I will call one of my "ladies" in DAR down here for an app. Send me your address and I'll send it to you. Alicia

----- Original Message ----- From: Shirley <swarren2@prodigy.net> To: <HANCOCK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 10:26 AM Subject: [HANCOCK-L] Richard Mason Hancock > The following information is from a book by William J. Simmons which can be > found at: > http://docsouth.unc.edu/neh/simmons/simmons.html > Page 405 > > XLIX. > RICHARD MASON HANCOCK, ESQ. > Foreman of the Pattern Shops of the Eagle Works Manufacturing > Company, Chicago, Illinois. Mathematician--Carpenter--Draughtsman--Foreman > of the Liberty Iron Works Pattern Shop. > > > TO speak of one who has made a success in this department is indeed > a pleasure, for in this work he has had the honor of showing Negro talent > and also overcoming those obstacles that defeat success in many men. It used > to be that only white men could do the "bossing," but the bottom rail is on > the top, and Mr. Hancock is now doing such work as guides over seven hundred > white employees and gives satisfaction to his generous employers. We have > said elsewhere that brains will tell, and here is an indisputable evidence. > Do you think he would be employed if he could not do the work? No, indeed, > not a bit of it. He is competent, and that indeed is the reason. Why should > the firm trust him with the disposition of their thousands unless he could > make them thousands? The truth is they do not know his superior, and hence > employ him. It is a praiseworthy thing that his employers could see the man, > the artist, the draughtsman, and be influenced neither by the color of his > skin nor the drops of blood that may be > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > Page 406 > in his veins attributable to black parents. I am indebted to a sketch, which > appeared in the columns of the Detroit Plaindealer, May 14, 1886, for many > of the facts which appear here. > > Mr. Hancock was born of free parents at Newberne, North Carolina, > November 22, 1832. His father, William H. Hancock, is a hale old gentleman, > still alive, residing at Chicago, Illinois. At an early age Richard was sent > to a private school in his native town, the public schools of which, and > indeed the laws of the "Old North State," being then opposed to the > education of Negro children. Here he mastered the rudiments of a common > school course, and when thirteen years old began as a carpenter's apprentice > under his father. He worked nine years at the bench; by that time having > gained a thorough knowledge of the trade, and attained his majority, he left > North Carolina and went to New Haven, Connecticut. He soon found employment > at his trade with Messrs[.] Atwater & Treat and Doolittle & Company, two > white firms that were not slow in recognizing him as an efficient workman. > "Joinering" was the particular branch of the trade at which he had been > engaged up to this time. > > He finally drifted to Lockport, New York, where he followed ship > carpentry two years, building canal boats, after which he was taken into the > employ of the Holly Manufacturing Company, with whom he remained four years. > While with them he learned pattern-making, a branch of the trade that > requires first of all a complete mastery of carpentry, besides an > acquaintance with higher mathematics, a knowledge of draughting and the > constant Page 407 > exercise of the very best judgment. For four years he worked and studied to > make himself proficient, and at the end of that period had mastered all the > theory and much of the practical details of that branch of the trade. > > In 1862 he came to Chicago, and shortly after was given employment > as a pattern-maker in the shops of the Eagle Works Manufacturing Company, > whose president, Mr. P. W. Gates, was a true and tried friend of the Negro, > when all the law and nearly all the public sentiment of the land was in > favor of keeping him in slavery. At that time this company had the largest > machine and boiler shops and foundry that was in operation in the West. > > After working as a journeyman two years, he was promoted to the > foremanship of the pattern department, and had in his charge fourteen men, > all of whom were white. To serve under a Negro foreman, no matter if he did > know more about the business than they did, was too much for their Northern > blood, so they "struck." For three days Mr. Hancock was "monarch of all he > surveyed." But the prospect was not a pleasing one, for the shop was crowded > with orders and there was more work to get out than he could perform > unaided. So fearing that its delayed execution might injure him with his > employers, he went before the president and tendered his resignation. After > hearing him through, Mr. Gates quietly said: "Oh! go back to work. It will > all come right in an hundred years." He obeyed. Other pattern-makers to fill > the places of the strikers were soon engaged, and ten years subsequent > service with the same firm showed that less than a century could make all > things right. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > Page 408 > > While with the Eagle Works Company, he was instrumental in teaching > two colored young men trades--Mr. Beverly Meeks as a machinist, and Mr. John > Johnson as a pattern-maker. The former is now in the employ of the C. & N. > W. Railroad Company at their shops in Detroit, while the latter is plying > his trade at Denver, Colorado. He also used his influence with good effect > to secure work at their trades for other colored men in the foundry and > blacksmith shops of the works. > > In 1873 the firm for which he worked went out of business, and a new > firm, composed of two of his former superintendents, Messrs. Fraser and > Chalmers, started the Liberty Iron Works in this city. They showed their > confidence in his ability by immediately placing him at the head of their > pattern shops. Their business soon reached large proportions, requiring now > the constant services of over seven hundred skilled employees, fifteen of > whom are kept busy making patterns. The firm makes a specialty of > manufacturing intricate mining machinery, and in the course of a year gets > out an almost infinite variety of indescribable work, for most of which new > patterns have to be made. All of the work must conform strictly to the > drawings in every particular. This will show the importance of the position > held by Mr. Hancock in the second largest establishment of the kind in this > country. He has been with his present employers fifteen years, commands a > good salary, and is held in high esteem by them and his fellow-workmen. In > the same shop with him is his son George, who is also regarded as an > efficient pattern-maker. > > In private life Mr. Hancock is a public-spirited and progressive > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > Page 409 > citizen; a member of several societies, in some of which he holds a high > rank, notably the Masonic fraternity; a vestryman of St. Thomas' Episcopal > church, and an interesting talker at the literary sessions of the Prudence > Crandall circle. He has a cosy home on Fulton street, where, assisted by his > wife, an amiable and intelligent lady, his many friends are made welcome. > > > > > > > ==== HANCOCK Mailing List ==== > Check out our HANCOCK Project World Wide at: > http://members.aol.com/heatherjvw/Hancock/ > >

----- Original Message ----- From: Shirley <swarren2@prodigy.net> To: <HANCOCK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 10:26 AM Subject: [HANCOCK-L] Richard Mason Hancock > The following information is from a book by William J. Simmons which can be > found at: > http://docsouth.unc.edu/neh/simmons/simmons.html > Page 405 > > XLIX. > RICHARD MASON HANCOCK, ESQ. > Foreman of the Pattern Shops of the Eagle Works Manufacturing > Company, Chicago, Illinois. Mathematician--Carpenter--Draughtsman--Foreman > of the Liberty Iron Works Pattern Shop. > > > TO speak of one who has made a success in this department is indeed > a pleasure, for in this work he has had the honor of showing Negro talent > and also overcoming those obstacles that defeat success in many men. It used > to be that only white men could do the "bossing," but the bottom rail is on > the top, and Mr. Hancock is now doing such work as guides over seven hundred > white employees and gives satisfaction to his generous employers. We have > said elsewhere that brains will tell, and here is an indisputable evidence. > Do you think he would be employed if he could not do the work? No, indeed, > not a bit of it. He is competent, and that indeed is the reason. Why should > the firm trust him with the disposition of their thousands unless he could > make them thousands? The truth is they do not know his superior, and hence > employ him. It is a praiseworthy thing that his employers could see the man, > the artist, the draughtsman, and be influenced neither by the color of his > skin nor the drops of blood that may be > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > Page 406 > in his veins attributable to black parents. I am indebted to a sketch, which > appeared in the columns of the Detroit Plaindealer, May 14, 1886, for many > of the facts which appear here. > > Mr. Hancock was born of free parents at Newberne, North Carolina, > November 22, 1832. His father, William H. Hancock, is a hale old gentleman, > still alive, residing at Chicago, Illinois. At an early age Richard was sent > to a private school in his native town, the public schools of which, and > indeed the laws of the "Old North State," being then opposed to the > education of Negro children. Here he mastered the rudiments of a common > school course, and when thirteen years old began as a carpenter's apprentice > under his father. He worked nine years at the bench; by that time having > gained a thorough knowledge of the trade, and attained his majority, he left > North Carolina and went to New Haven, Connecticut. He soon found employment > at his trade with Messrs[.] Atwater & Treat and Doolittle & Company, two > white firms that were not slow in recognizing him as an efficient workman. > "Joinering" was the particular branch of the trade at which he had been > engaged up to this time. > > He finally drifted to Lockport, New York, where he followed ship > carpentry two years, building canal boats, after which he was taken into the > employ of the Holly Manufacturing Company, with whom he remained four years. > While with them he learned pattern-making, a branch of the trade that > requires first of all a complete mastery of carpentry, besides an > acquaintance with higher mathematics, a knowledge of draughting and the > constant Page 407 > exercise of the very best judgment. For four years he worked and studied to > make himself proficient, and at the end of that period had mastered all the > theory and much of the practical details of that branch of the trade. > > In 1862 he came to Chicago, and shortly after was given employment > as a pattern-maker in the shops of the Eagle Works Manufacturing Company, > whose president, Mr. P. W. Gates, was a true and tried friend of the Negro, > when all the law and nearly all the public sentiment of the land was in > favor of keeping him in slavery. At that time this company had the largest > machine and boiler shops and foundry that was in operation in the West. > > After working as a journeyman two years, he was promoted to the > foremanship of the pattern department, and had in his charge fourteen men, > all of whom were white. To serve under a Negro foreman, no matter if he did > know more about the business than they did, was too much for their Northern > blood, so they "struck." For three days Mr. Hancock was "monarch of all he > surveyed." But the prospect was not a pleasing one, for the shop was crowded > with orders and there was more work to get out than he could perform > unaided. So fearing that its delayed execution might injure him with his > employers, he went before the president and tendered his resignation. After > hearing him through, Mr. Gates quietly said: "Oh! go back to work. It will > all come right in an hundred years." He obeyed. Other pattern-makers to fill > the places of the strikers were soon engaged, and ten years subsequent > service with the same firm showed that less than a century could make all > things right. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > Page 408 > > While with the Eagle Works Company, he was instrumental in teaching > two colored young men trades--Mr. Beverly Meeks as a machinist, and Mr. John > Johnson as a pattern-maker. The former is now in the employ of the C. & N. > W. Railroad Company at their shops in Detroit, while the latter is plying > his trade at Denver, Colorado. He also used his influence with good effect > to secure work at their trades for other colored men in the foundry and > blacksmith shops of the works. > > In 1873 the firm for which he worked went out of business, and a new > firm, composed of two of his former superintendents, Messrs. Fraser and > Chalmers, started the Liberty Iron Works in this city. They showed their > confidence in his ability by immediately placing him at the head of their > pattern shops. Their business soon reached large proportions, requiring now > the constant services of over seven hundred skilled employees, fifteen of > whom are kept busy making patterns. The firm makes a specialty of > manufacturing intricate mining machinery, and in the course of a year gets > out an almost infinite variety of indescribable work, for most of which new > patterns have to be made. All of the work must conform strictly to the > drawings in every particular. This will show the importance of the position > held by Mr. Hancock in the second largest establishment of the kind in this > country. He has been with his present employers fifteen years, commands a > good salary, and is held in high esteem by them and his fellow-workmen. In > the same shop with him is his son George, who is also regarded as an > efficient pattern-maker. > > In private life Mr. Hancock is a public-spirited and progressive > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > Page 409 > citizen; a member of several societies, in some of which he holds a high > rank, notably the Masonic fraternity; a vestryman of St. Thomas' Episcopal > church, and an interesting talker at the literary sessions of the Prudence > Crandall circle. He has a cosy home on Fulton street, where, assisted by his > wife, an amiable and intelligent lady, his many friends are made welcome. > > > > > > > ==== HANCOCK Mailing List ==== > Check out our HANCOCK Project World Wide at: > http://members.aol.com/heatherjvw/Hancock/ > >

Ardath and all, The only reason I have any problem with the bible is that no one seems to be able to prove it ever existed. No one has been able to locate a transcription of it nor copies of it, much less the bible itself. The reason family bibles are such useful info is because they are where important dates were recorded as they happen. Being written over 100 years later leaves alot to chance. I understand what you are saying and know that proof cannot be found to back up every bit of family history. But I have found far too many old family stories that were embellished to the point of total fiction. With no one finding proof of the bible, nor transcriptions or copies of it, I can't swallow it completely. I think it's a good idea if someone does check into Arvil's reference and find out if the bible is really there. When I checked into it a few years ago, I was told the library had no record of the Hancock bible. Maybe this was a mistake. If it was, I'd be the first ordering copies of it. Lisa Check out my website at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/7502/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ardath Buckaway" <bqueen@compusmart.ab.ca> To: <HANCOCK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 8:41 AM Subject: [HANCOCK-L] The early records > Hello again to Lisa & Julia, > > I must compliment both of you on being true genealogists, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water. > > The early historians, and genealogist used info from that Bible as proof, and because no one knows where it is today, doesn't mean some of the info isn't correct. I agree, there were errors, but that doesn't mean that there wasn't useful info in it. 100 years after the fact is not a long time. > > I am a senior, and my father was born in 1897, my mother in 1903. One of my grandfathers was born in 1868. I knew them all very well. If I had no computer, and bought a Bible, even today, and wrote the things that I remember my Dad and Mom telling me, there would be errors, but I would certainly know much of what happened in the lives of my grandparents. There are some stories, I haven't been able to verify, and probably never will, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. Because, today, I have a computer, and search world wide, some of the stuff, I have been able to throw out. My father had told me his grandfather was a no good drunk, who was not good to his family. I haven't been able to prove that because the quarter sessions for that area in England, didn't survive for this length of time. > > My mother had no birth certificate from Iowa either, but that doesn't mean, I didn't know her or my grandparents. I would not need documents, to be sure of their existance or much of their life, if I chose to write it in a Bible. Most of my children would not be interested in such a Bible, and I am sure at least 2 of my daughter in laws, would get rid of it but the whole family would know that I did write it, that the items in there were to the best of my knowledge and would know what I put in there even if they didn't own it. > > I feel there has to some validity to that Bible, since early genealogists used that info, right or wrong, in their writings, which are almost 100 yrs old in themselves. > > Keep digging. Who knows what will turn up. There are so many documents that none of us have today, but it still is possible that something may be found. > > Ardath > > > ==== HANCOCK Mailing List ==== > If you would like to submit HANCOCK Census records, Wills > or other documents to be posted on our Project Page, > contact: JuliaFWood@aol.com >

Hi Alicia, My address is: Ardath Buckaway, 18908-80 Ave., Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, T5T 5B7 If I get that application, it will be the first time a "real" person has done that. I was given a lady's name in Calgaray, Alberta (AB for short). I phoned, & phoned, she never answered her phone. I finally found that some other lady had taken over. She did write me an E-mail, and I wrote her back immediately, but she was going on vacation, and said she would contact me when she returned. I haven't heard a word from her since and don't remember her name. If someone really does look into this for me, I would appreciate it, but I am not holding my breath. I think they mean well, but I just don't end up on the receiving end. Thanks Alicia. Love Ardath ----- Original Message ----- From: "alicia d frank" <alicia.df1@juno.com> To: <HANCOCK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 7:26 PM Subject: [HANCOCK-L] Re: DAR app > Ardath > I will call one of my "ladies" in DAR down here for an app. > Send me your address and I'll send it to you. > Alicia > > > ==== HANCOCK Mailing List ==== > Check out our HANCOCK Project World Wide at: > http://members.aol.com/heatherjvw/Hancock/ >

G'day List, Hoping someone can help me find information about my gg grandfather, George Matthew HANCOCK. He was born Abt 1855 in Portsmouth. Parents: George HANCOCK (occ: Stonemason) and Mary Ann MEDWAY. In 1871 when George was Abt 16 he came to Australia alone, aboard the "La Hoque" His occ: on shipping records was listed as Stonemason. I do not have access to census or parish records. I'm afraid George was very tight-lipped about his past and as far as I know there were no other family members that came to Australia. I would be very grateful for any information that anyone can offer. Thank You, Margery. >From The Tweed Valley of Contrast. Australia. Researching The Names: Chard. Corby. Colless. Donohoe. Graham. Griskaitis. Hallstrom. Hancock. Lees. Matthews. Mergenthaler. Noble. Salzen. Shoesmith. Tomkins.

In a message dated 07/29/2001 11:37:57 AM Central Daylight Time, karen_fallin@hotmail.com writes: > Do you know which campus? I live in Ruther Glen which is about 15 miles from > the Ashland campus. If it's the Ashland campus, I'ld could make a > contribution to the list and make a visit. If you have a additional details > It would be wonderful if you could, really, see it and confirm that it exists. Perhaps even get a digital picture of it, if they won't let you make copies. Julia

Do you know which campus? I live in Ruther Glen which is about 15 miles from the Ashland campus. If it's the Ashland campus, I'ld could make a contribution to the list and make a visit. If you have a additional details let me know. >From: "Elaine Waiters" <ewaiters@thegrid.net> >Reply-To: HANCOCK-L@rootsweb.com >To: HANCOCK-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [HANCOCK-L] Simon Hancock-Jane Flournoy Bible >Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 09:00:34 -0700 > >According to Arvil Hancock's THE HANCOCK FAMILY OF ENGLAND AND AMERICA, >this >old family bible "is now in the library of Randolph-Macon College." > >Arvil, are you still on this list? > >Elaine Waiters > > >==== HANCOCK Mailing List ==== >Questions about this list? Feel free to contact >the listowner for help at: ><JuliaFWood@aol.com> > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp