Hi Bob, Yes, that is what I have too except I had Julia's name as Judith. I will change it in my database. Thanks, Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [HANCOCK-L] Family lines with same Y-DNA--Chart 26 & 3 & Update In a message dated 8/31/03 3:11:22 PM, [email protected] writes: << H-11139--Benjamin Hancock b abt 1710 to son, John D....Jean Hancock of Texas at [email protected] and also of this line via Major Hancock, Bob at [email protected] http://bobhopkins0.tripod.com/ >> Audrey and Jean- Jean and I agree on all but some finer points. We have worked together for several years. To complete the circuit however please consider that Julia Hancock b ca 1752 Goochland Co VA and m Richard Wade is most likely a sister to John D Hancock 1733 and she is my gggg-gm. (I am doubly descended from Benjamin 1710 UNTIL the guessing game ends. BobHop Visit our home page http://bobhopkins0.tripod.com/ Major family names- Abel, Adams, Anders, Bellisfield, Brock, Byers, Davis, Dement, Field, Guffey, Hancock, Hockaday, Hopkins, Irvine, McClanahan, Scarbrough, Shipley, Strother, Stonestreet, Wade, Wampler, Westlake ______________________________

Sure, I have an uncle with a middle name of Creager after the maiden name of my grandmother, his mother and thus his CREAGER ancestors. Audrey -----Original Message----- From: tori counts [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 5:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HANCOCK-L] Connecting these HANCOCK lines--Chart 26, 3, etc. Audrey, Could that Surname/middle name have been carried over into later years? A few of my HANCOCKS have such unusual middle names. I've always had the thought it could be due to surnames. Tillman, Bowen, Newton,,,, Tioraidh an drasda, Tori - [email protected] Searching- COUNTS(Crouch, Sartain,Williams,Raper, Martin), HANCOCK(Adams, Abbott ,Fisher ,Ford, Shepperd, Leach, Imel, Speck, Sprunger,Tuey), MCNIEL(Gaddy, Brown, Lindsey, Mason, Moon)CAREY(Hancock, Catterton, Gibson, Dodder(Dobson),Leach), and any family connections. >From: "Audrey Shields Hancock" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [HANCOCK-L] Connecting these HANCOCK lines--Chart 26, 3, etc. >Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:24:20 -0500 > >Hi, Bob, >I need more testees from the BENJAMIN HANCOCK (WF, MARY BEADLES) line as >testees, first to determine if there is common DNA to at least connect my >John to that family, then I need to prove that Benjamin and Mary are truly >his parents which based upon much circumstantial evidence seems to point to >that conclusion. > >Yes, merging these lines may never happen, but we'll give it the ole school >boy try! Well, I was always interested in the fact that you had an ADAMS, >BROCK, & DAVIS in your listings of surnames. I now think that (Capt.) John >may have had the middle name of Adams and his son's middle name, as >Alexander. Based upon how children were named in those days, it would >indicate an ancestor bore the surname of ADAMS, and sometimes marriages >occurred with same families to other connecting families. Then I have a >William Hancock (believed s/o Benjamin & Mary) who is believed to have >married Jemima BROCKMAN (in marriage records as Jemima BROCK), dau/o >BROCKMAN & GRAVES. Then I have John DAVIS mar 1690 Stafford Co., VA to >Susanna MATHENY and had dau, Susanna Davis who married a Bartlett, who had >a >BARTLETT dau who married a GRAVES and they had Nancy GRAVES who married >(Capt.) John HANCOCK. > >Just throwing out names in case anyone sees something that will "ring a >bell" in connecting these HANCOCK families. > >Audrey > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 3:44 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [HANCOCK-L] Family lines with same Y-DNA--Chart 26 & 3 & >Update > > >Audrey- > >I have come to the conclusion that wedding our lines will be like winning >the >lottery. If we assume Jean and I have correct data and that yours is >correct, >all we can do is fit the two pieces and hope the bond holds. > >I have data back to William, etc and have seen your data for years and >never >thought we were the same line. (Arvil looked pretty hard also.) The big >block >for me is that I was convinced we would never find an easy answer so maybe >digging harder? > >I spent my working career in technical research. One way to find the >correct >answer is to pick the end result you want and then prove you are right. >(Also >start in the middle and you can go either way.) I think the Johns and >Benjamins must be the solution. > >We need the Rosetta Stone. BobHop > >Visit our home page http://bobhopkins0.tripod.com/ > > >Major family names- Abel, Adams, Anders, Bellisfield, Brock, Byers, Davis, >Dement, Field, Guffey, Hancock, Hockaday, Hopkins, Irvine, McClanahan, >Scarbrough, Shipley, Strother, Stonestreet, Wade, Wampler, Westlake > > >==== HANCOCK Mailing List ==== >If you have a HANCOCK Genealogy Homepage, and would >like to have it listed on our Links page, send the URL to the >list, or to: [email protected] > > > > >==== HANCOCK Mailing List ==== >Check out our HANCOCK Project World Wide at: >http://members.aol.com/heatherjvw/Hancock/ > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ==== HANCOCK Mailing List ==== Check out our HANCOCK Project World Wide at: http://members.aol.com/heatherjvw/Hancock/

Hi, Bob, I need more testees from the BENJAMIN HANCOCK (WF, MARY BEADLES) line as testees, first to determine if there is common DNA to at least connect my John to that family, then I need to prove that Benjamin and Mary are truly his parents which based upon much circumstantial evidence seems to point to that conclusion. Yes, merging these lines may never happen, but we'll give it the ole school boy try! Well, I was always interested in the fact that you had an ADAMS, BROCK, & DAVIS in your listings of surnames. I now think that (Capt.) John may have had the middle name of Adams and his son's middle name, as Alexander. Based upon how children were named in those days, it would indicate an ancestor bore the surname of ADAMS, and sometimes marriages occurred with same families to other connecting families. Then I have a William Hancock (believed s/o Benjamin & Mary) who is believed to have married Jemima BROCKMAN (in marriage records as Jemima BROCK), dau/o BROCKMAN & GRAVES. Then I have John DAVIS mar 1690 Stafford Co., VA to Susanna MATHENY and had dau, Susanna Davis who married a Bartlett, who had a BARTLETT dau who married a GRAVES and they had Nancy GRAVES who married (Capt.) John HANCOCK. Just throwing out names in case anyone sees something that will "ring a bell" in connecting these HANCOCK families. Audrey -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 3:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HANCOCK-L] Family lines with same Y-DNA--Chart 26 & 3 & Update Audrey- I have come to the conclusion that wedding our lines will be like winning the lottery. If we assume Jean and I have correct data and that yours is correct, all we can do is fit the two pieces and hope the bond holds. I have data back to William, etc and have seen your data for years and never thought we were the same line. (Arvil looked pretty hard also.) The big block for me is that I was convinced we would never find an easy answer so maybe digging harder? I spent my working career in technical research. One way to find the correct answer is to pick the end result you want and then prove you are right. (Also start in the middle and you can go either way.) I think the Johns and Benjamins must be the solution. We need the Rosetta Stone. BobHop Visit our home page http://bobhopkins0.tripod.com/ Major family names- Abel, Adams, Anders, Bellisfield, Brock, Byers, Davis, Dement, Field, Guffey, Hancock, Hockaday, Hopkins, Irvine, McClanahan, Scarbrough, Shipley, Strother, Stonestreet, Wade, Wampler, Westlake ==== HANCOCK Mailing List ==== If you have a HANCOCK Genealogy Homepage, and would like to have it listed on our Links page, send the URL to the list, or to: [email protected]

Audrey- I have come to the conclusion that wedding our lines will be like winning the lottery. If we assume Jean and I have correct data and that yours is correct, all we can do is fit the two pieces and hope the bond holds. I have data back to William, etc and have seen your data for years and never thought we were the same line. (Arvil looked pretty hard also.) The big block for me is that I was convinced we would never find an easy answer so maybe digging harder? I spent my working career in technical research. One way to find the correct answer is to pick the end result you want and then prove you are right. (Also start in the middle and you can go either way.) I think the Johns and Benjamins must be the solution. We need the Rosetta Stone. BobHop Visit our home page http://bobhopkins0.tripod.com/ Major family names- Abel, Adams, Anders, Bellisfield, Brock, Byers, Davis, Dement, Field, Guffey, Hancock, Hockaday, Hopkins, Irvine, McClanahan, Scarbrough, Shipley, Strother, Stonestreet, Wade, Wampler, Westlake

Thanks, Bob, Audrey -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 3:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HANCOCK-L] Family lines with same Y-DNA--Chart 26 & 3 & Update In a message dated 8/31/03 3:11:22 PM, [email protected] writes: << H-11139--Benjamin Hancock b abt 1710 to son, John D....Jean Hancock of Texas at [email protected] and also of this line via Major Hancock, Bob at [email protected] http://bobhopkins0.tripod.com/ >> Audrey and Jean- Jean and I agree on all but some finer points. We have worked together for several years. To complete the circuit however please consider that Julia Hancock b ca 1752 Goochland Co VA and m Richard Wade is most likely a sister to John D Hancock 1733 and she is my gggg-gm. (I am doubly descended from Benjamin 1710 UNTIL the guessing game ends. BobHop Visit our home page http://bobhopkins0.tripod.com/ Major family names- Abel, Adams, Anders, Bellisfield, Brock, Byers, Davis, Dement, Field, Guffey, Hancock, Hockaday, Hopkins, Irvine, McClanahan, Scarbrough, Shipley, Strother, Stonestreet, Wade, Wampler, Westlake ==== HANCOCK Mailing List ==== If you would like to submit HANCOCK Census records, Wills or other documents to be posted on our Project Page, contact: [email protected]

In the 1910 census of Clay County, Arkansas, Haywood Township, dwelling 218, family 210 Thomas Grimes, age 57, born Ill, father born TN, mother born KY, married 37 years Susan Grimes, age 54, born ILL, both parents born KY Charles T. Grimes, son, age 23, born ILL, both parents Born ILL Is this possibly your family and her name is Susan Elizabeth? Eldon J. Edgin 14908 Woodbriar Drive Dallas, Texas 75248-4551 Phone: (972) 991-4891 FAX: (972) 991-4893 e-mail: [email protected] ______________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vera and Verlin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 3:03 PM Subject: [HANCOCK-L] Elizabeth Hancock > My grandmother was Elizabeth Hancock. She was born in May, 1856 in Indiana and married Thomas Grimes at Fountain County, Indiana in October 1874, she died in Clay Co. Arkansas around the early 1930's. I know her children's names etc.but nothing more about her other than the 1900 census for Clay Co. Arkansas says that her father was from North Carolina and her mother was from Kentucky. I do not know what their names are for sure, but the only Hancock's We have found in Indiana with the father being from NC and the mother being from Ky is Robert and Nancy Hancock who were living in Boone County, Indiana in 1860 and they are listed on the census as having a daughter named Elizabeth that is the right age to be my grandmother. I am assuming that this is the right family but there is no relatives left that I can ask for sure. > Since I see that many of you are researching the Hancock's of North Carolina I was wandering if maybe you may have came upon some info about Robert and Nancy Hancock that would help me. I need to know who their parents were. Nancy may have been Robert's second wife. But I don't know that for sure, there was a John Hancock that was older than Elizabeth living in that household, yet not old enough to be Robert's brother. I'm assuming he was Elizabeth's half-brother. > Any information you could give me will be greatly appreciated. > Have a beautiful day, > V. Mayfield > [email protected] > > > ==== HANCOCK Mailing List ==== > Where to send messages to the list..... > [email protected]

I believe the preponderance of evidence is that about ten children, including, Julia and my 5th great grandfather, Major Hancock (who married first Ann Thomas and second Mary Moreland) are children of Benjamin Hancock and Jane. After years of research I cannot prove it. Eldon J. Edgin 14908 Woodbriar Drive Dallas, Texas 75248-4551 Phone: (972) 991-4891 FAX: (972) 991-4893 e-mail: [email protected] ______________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [HANCOCK-L] Family lines with same Y-DNA--Chart 26 & 3 & Update > > In a message dated 8/31/03 3:11:22 PM, [email protected] writes: > > << H-11139--Benjamin Hancock b abt 1710 to son, John D....Jean Hancock of > Texas > > at [email protected] > > and also of this line via Major Hancock, Bob at [email protected] > > http://bobhopkins0.tripod.com/ > > >> > > Audrey and Jean- > > Jean and I agree on all but some finer points. We have worked together for > several years. > > To complete the circuit however please consider that Julia Hancock b ca 1752 > Goochland Co VA and m Richard Wade is most likely a sister to John D Hancock > 1733 and she is my gggg-gm. (I am doubly descended from Benjamin 1710 UNTIL the > guessing game ends. BobHop > > Visit our home page http://bobhopkins0.tripod.com/ > > > Major family names- Abel, Adams, Anders, Bellisfield, Brock, Byers, Davis, > Dement, Field, Guffey, Hancock, Hockaday, Hopkins, Irvine, McClanahan, > Scarbrough, Shipley, Strother, Stonestreet, Wade, Wampler, Westlake > > > ==== HANCOCK Mailing List ==== > If you would like to submit HANCOCK Census records, Wills > or other documents to be posted on our Project Page, > contact: [email protected] >

In a message dated 8/31/03 3:11:22 PM, [email protected] writes: << H-11139--Benjamin Hancock b abt 1710 to son, John D....Jean Hancock of Texas at [email protected] and also of this line via Major Hancock, Bob at [email protected] http://bobhopkins0.tripod.com/ >> Audrey and Jean- Jean and I agree on all but some finer points. We have worked together for several years. To complete the circuit however please consider that Julia Hancock b ca 1752 Goochland Co VA and m Richard Wade is most likely a sister to John D Hancock 1733 and she is my gggg-gm. (I am doubly descended from Benjamin 1710 UNTIL the guessing game ends. BobHop Visit our home page http://bobhopkins0.tripod.com/ Major family names- Abel, Adams, Anders, Bellisfield, Brock, Byers, Davis, Dement, Field, Guffey, Hancock, Hockaday, Hopkins, Irvine, McClanahan, Scarbrough, Shipley, Strother, Stonestreet, Wade, Wampler, Westlake

There were HANCOCKs in Boone County, Indiana also from the line of (Capt.) John Hancock. This family line migration pattern went from (Capt.) John Hancock & Nancy Ann Graves of Louisa Co., VA to Woodford, Fayette, and Franklin Cos., KY; to Butler Co., OH onto Boone Co., IN. However, I do not recognize any of your line. Audrey -----Original Message----- From: Vera and Verlin [mailto:vmvhm[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 3:04 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [HANCOCK-L] Elizabeth Hancock My grandmother was Elizabeth Hancock. She was born in May, 1856 in Indiana and married Thomas Grimes at Fountain County, Indiana in October 1874, she died in Clay Co. Arkansas around the early 1930's. I know her children's names etc.but nothing more about her other than the 1900 census for Clay Co. Arkansas says that her father was from North Carolina and her mother was from Kentucky. I do not know what their names are for sure, but the only Hancock's We have found in Indiana with the father being from NC and the mother being from Ky is Robert and Nancy Hancock who were living in Boone County, Indiana in 1860 and they are listed on the census as having a daughter named Elizabeth that is the right age to be my grandmother. I am assuming that this is the right family but there is no relatives left that I can ask for sure. Since I see that many of you are researching the Hancock's of North Carolina I was wandering if maybe you may have came upon some info about Robert and Nancy Hancock that would help me. I need to know who their parents were. Nancy may have been Robert's second wife. But I don't know that for sure, there was a John Hancock that was older than Elizabeth living in that household, yet not old enough to be Robert's brother. I'm assuming he was Elizabeth's half-brother. Any information you could give me will be greatly appreciated. Have a beautiful day, V. Mayfield [email protected] ==== HANCOCK Mailing List ==== Where to send messages to the list..... [email protected]

I hope that there is documentation to tie the lines together. I have seen several genealogies that seem to go back to Adam without a trace of evidence to support them. Eldon J. Edgin 14908 Woodbriar Drive Dallas, Texas 75248-4551 Phone: (972) 991-4891 FAX: (972) 991-4893 e-mail: [email protected] ______________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [HANCOCK-L] Family lines with same Y-DNA--Chart 26 & 3 & Update > Audrey- > > I have come to the conclusion that wedding our lines will be like winning the > lottery. If we assume Jean and I have correct data and that yours is correct, > all we can do is fit the two pieces and hope the bond holds. > > I have data back to William, etc and have seen your data for years and never > thought we were the same line. (Arvil looked pretty hard also.) The big block > for me is that I was convinced we would never find an easy answer so maybe > digging harder? > > I spent my working career in technical research. One way to find the correct > answer is to pick the end result you want and then prove you are right. (Also > start in the middle and you can go either way.) I think the Johns and > Benjamins must be the solution. > > We need the Rosetta Stone. BobHop > > Visit our home page http://bobhopkins0.tripod.com/ > > > Major family names- Abel, Adams, Anders, Bellisfield, Brock, Byers, Davis, > Dement, Field, Guffey, Hancock, Hockaday, Hopkins, Irvine, McClanahan, > Scarbrough, Shipley, Strother, Stonestreet, Wade, Wampler, Westlake > > > ==== HANCOCK Mailing List ==== > If you have a HANCOCK Genealogy Homepage, and would > like to have it listed on our Links page, send the URL to the > list, or to: [email protected]

thank you Audrey Tioraidh an drasda, Tori - [email protected] Searching- COUNTS(Crouch, Sartain,Williams,Raper, Martin), HANCOCK(Adams, Abbott, Shepperd, Leach,Imel,Speck, Sprunger), MCNIEL(Gaddy,Brown,Lindsey,Mason,Moon)CAREY(Hancock, Catterton,Gibson,Dodder(Dobson),Leach), and any family connections. >From: "Audrey Shields Hancock" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: [HANCOCK-L] Connecting these HANCOCK lines--Chart 26, 3, etc. >Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:10:10 -0500 > >Sure, I have an uncle with a middle name of Creager after the maiden name >of >my grandmother, his mother and thus his CREAGER ancestors. > >Audrey > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: tori counts [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 5:07 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [HANCOCK-L] Connecting these HANCOCK lines--Chart 26, 3, >etc. > > >Audrey, > Could that Surname/middle name have been carried over into later years? >A >few of my HANCOCKS have such unusual middle names. I've always had the >thought it could be due to surnames. Tillman, Bowen, Newton,,,, > > >Tioraidh an drasda, >Tori - [email protected] >Searching- COUNTS(Crouch, Sartain,Williams,Raper, Martin), HANCOCK(Adams, >Abbott ,Fisher ,Ford, Shepperd, Leach, Imel, Speck, Sprunger,Tuey), >MCNIEL(Gaddy, Brown, Lindsey, Mason, Moon)CAREY(Hancock, Catterton, Gibson, >Dodder(Dobson),Leach), and any family connections. > > > > > > >From: "Audrey Shields Hancock" <[email protected]> > >Reply-To: [email protected] > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: [HANCOCK-L] Connecting these HANCOCK lines--Chart 26, 3, etc. > >Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:24:20 -0500 > > > >Hi, Bob, > >I need more testees from the BENJAMIN HANCOCK (WF, MARY BEADLES) line as > >testees, first to determine if there is common DNA to at least connect my > >John to that family, then I need to prove that Benjamin and Mary are >truly > >his parents which based upon much circumstantial evidence seems to point >to > >that conclusion. > > > >Yes, merging these lines may never happen, but we'll give it the ole >school > >boy try! Well, I was always interested in the fact that you had an >ADAMS, > >BROCK, & DAVIS in your listings of surnames. I now think that (Capt.) >John > >may have had the middle name of Adams and his son's middle name, as > >Alexander. Based upon how children were named in those days, it would > >indicate an ancestor bore the surname of ADAMS, and sometimes marriages > >occurred with same families to other connecting families. Then I have a > >William Hancock (believed s/o Benjamin & Mary) who is believed to have > >married Jemima BROCKMAN (in marriage records as Jemima BROCK), dau/o > >BROCKMAN & GRAVES. Then I have John DAVIS mar 1690 Stafford Co., VA to > >Susanna MATHENY and had dau, Susanna Davis who married a Bartlett, who >had > >a > >BARTLETT dau who married a GRAVES and they had Nancy GRAVES who married > >(Capt.) John HANCOCK. > > > >Just throwing out names in case anyone sees something that will "ring a > >bell" in connecting these HANCOCK families. > > > >Audrey > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > >Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 3:44 PM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: [HANCOCK-L] Family lines with same Y-DNA--Chart 26 & 3 & > >Update > > > > > >Audrey- > > > >I have come to the conclusion that wedding our lines will be like winning > >the > >lottery. If we assume Jean and I have correct data and that yours is > >correct, > >all we can do is fit the two pieces and hope the bond holds. > > > >I have data back to William, etc and have seen your data for years and > >never > >thought we were the same line. (Arvil looked pretty hard also.) The big > >block > >for me is that I was convinced we would never find an easy answer so >maybe > >digging harder? > > > >I spent my working career in technical research. One way to find the > >correct > >answer is to pick the end result you want and then prove you are right. > >(Also > >start in the middle and you can go either way.) I think the Johns and > >Benjamins must be the solution. > > > >We need the Rosetta Stone. BobHop > > > >Visit our home page http://bobhopkins0.tripod.com/ > > > > > >Major family names- Abel, Adams, Anders, Bellisfield, Brock, Byers, >Davis, > >Dement, Field, Guffey, Hancock, Hockaday, Hopkins, Irvine, McClanahan, > >Scarbrough, Shipley, Strother, Stonestreet, Wade, Wampler, Westlake > > > > > >==== HANCOCK Mailing List ==== > >If you have a HANCOCK Genealogy Homepage, and would > >like to have it listed on our Links page, send the URL to the > >list, or to: [email protected] > > > > > > > > > >==== HANCOCK Mailing List ==== > >Check out our HANCOCK Project World Wide at: > >http://members.aol.com/heatherjvw/Hancock/ > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup > > >==== HANCOCK Mailing List ==== >Check out our HANCOCK Project World Wide at: >http://members.aol.com/heatherjvw/Hancock/ > > > > >==== HANCOCK Mailing List ==== >This is a closed list. 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Hi, Eldon, Well, I'm not doing any separate postings (at least for now) except through this discussion list, but would like to know names and e-mails of those of my hubby's DNA cousins. Just trying to keep people and connections straight in my brain...tooooooooooo many senior moments at times! Need to write more things down these days and keep track. I will add you as a researcher connected with Major Hancock's line. As for the HANCOCK CHARTS, you will have to take that up with Julia or someone else...not in my department. I wasn't involved with that superb work...the honors go to others who dedicated so much time and effort on behalf of all. Audrey -----Original Message----- From: eedgin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 2:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HANCOCK-L] Family lines with same Y-DNA--Chart 26 & 3 & Update Audrey, I am a descendent of Benjamin Hancock of Goochland County, Virginia (born about 1710). I would like to receive information. Unfortunately, the last male Hancock in my line is Major Hancock (born about 1745), probably son of Benjamin. My e-mail address changed some time ago. My new address is: [email protected] How do I get the e-mail address on the Hancock Charts updated? Eldon J. Edgin 14908 Woodbriar Drive Dallas, Texas 75248-4551 Phone: (972) 991-4891 FAX: (972) 991-4893 e-mail: [email protected] ______________________________________________

Hi, Julia and Interested Others: Yes, they are, but not the ancestor to which they connect, so I am having difficulty knowing whose line connects with whom, but getting there. However, want to maintain privacy for those who don't wish to be identified. Here's what I have so far, as to people working on these same Y-DNA lines who somehow connect with a common ancestor. I think Chart #10 matches goes with #26 & #3...am I correct? So we can put together a listing of those interested in delving into family's common ancestor more, I have this. Are there any others who wish to be included in this listing of researchers for these family lines? Update: Researchers for Chart #26/Chart #3 as Y-DNA cousins: H08906-Capt. John Hancock b 1753 VA of Louisa Co., VA; Woodford & Franklin Co., KY; and Butler Co., OH...Audrey (Shields) Hancock at [email protected] http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=grannyapple http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~grannyapple/HANCOCKgenealogy/HANCOC Khis.html H10903-John Hancock b 1743 in Surry/Sussex Co., VA (DON'T KNOW THE RESEARCHER OF THIS John.) H08899 and H08902--James Clayton Hancock b 1829 TN & married in IL, and went to Arkansas & Oklahoma...Jerry Phillip Hancock at [email protected] and another researcher. H10368--Clark William Hancock b 1832 TN to IL...sponsor: Jerry Phillip Hancock at [email protected] (I have been working with Jerry on his line and I have his family and lineage information. Permission given by Jerry to post and share. Believed sons of William Hancock & Rebecca Vande(r)griff but not proven. Audrey) H-11139--Benjamin Hancock b abt 1710 to son, John D....Jean Hancock of Texas at [email protected] and also of this line via Major Hancock, Bob at [email protected] http://bobhopkins0.tripod.com/ James Pryor Hancock (ANONYMOUS/MRCA (Most Recent Common Ancestor) information was presented by unrelated Jim HANCOCK...Jim Hancock at [email protected]) H-09322--Henry C. Hancock b abt 1798 VA (DON'T KNOW THE RESEARCHER OF THIS Henry.) Audrey -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 11:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HANCOCK-L] Latest DNA Results... Just a reminder that all names and email addresses of your matches are listed on the webpage that is provided for your test by FamilyTreeDNA.com. You access it using the Kit # and password that they sent to you. You can, also, click on the orange tabs to see where your Haplogroup came from thousands of years ago and the more recent origins by matches. The only match without an email address has the middle name of Pryor and is the match that we announced last week that is the Randolph and Rockingham, NC group that Lisa has worked on for years. Julia In a message dated 08/31/2003 9:24:31 AM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > I wasn't sure who was connected with this last test. My line is the > (Capt.) > John Hancock line, which can be seen at: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~grannyapple/HANCOCKgenealogy/HANCOC > Khis.html > This would probably be part of the CHART 26 for now. I don't think Julia > has created a true chart yet, but has given us the number. She will need to > answer to that. > > I know about 3 of the other connections who are somehow connected to our > line. > ==== HANCOCK Mailing List ==== If you have a HANCOCK Genealogy Homepage, and would like to have it listed on our Links page, send the URL to the list, or to: [email protected]

Audrey, Could that Surname/middle name have been carried over into later years? A few of my HANCOCKS have such unusual middle names. I've always had the thought it could be due to surnames. Tillman, Bowen, Newton,,,, Tioraidh an drasda, Tori - [email protected] Searching- COUNTS(Crouch, Sartain,Williams,Raper, Martin), HANCOCK(Adams, Abbott ,Fisher ,Ford, Shepperd, Leach, Imel, Speck, Sprunger,Tuey), MCNIEL(Gaddy, Brown, Lindsey, Mason, Moon)CAREY(Hancock, Catterton, Gibson, Dodder(Dobson),Leach), and any family connections. >From: "Audrey Shields Hancock" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [HANCOCK-L] Connecting these HANCOCK lines--Chart 26, 3, etc. >Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:24:20 -0500 > >Hi, Bob, >I need more testees from the BENJAMIN HANCOCK (WF, MARY BEADLES) line as >testees, first to determine if there is common DNA to at least connect my >John to that family, then I need to prove that Benjamin and Mary are truly >his parents which based upon much circumstantial evidence seems to point to >that conclusion. > >Yes, merging these lines may never happen, but we'll give it the ole school >boy try! Well, I was always interested in the fact that you had an ADAMS, >BROCK, & DAVIS in your listings of surnames. I now think that (Capt.) John >may have had the middle name of Adams and his son's middle name, as >Alexander. Based upon how children were named in those days, it would >indicate an ancestor bore the surname of ADAMS, and sometimes marriages >occurred with same families to other connecting families. Then I have a >William Hancock (believed s/o Benjamin & Mary) who is believed to have >married Jemima BROCKMAN (in marriage records as Jemima BROCK), dau/o >BROCKMAN & GRAVES. Then I have John DAVIS mar 1690 Stafford Co., VA to >Susanna MATHENY and had dau, Susanna Davis who married a Bartlett, who had >a >BARTLETT dau who married a GRAVES and they had Nancy GRAVES who married >(Capt.) John HANCOCK. > >Just throwing out names in case anyone sees something that will "ring a >bell" in connecting these HANCOCK families. > >Audrey > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 3:44 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [HANCOCK-L] Family lines with same Y-DNA--Chart 26 & 3 & >Update > > >Audrey- > >I have come to the conclusion that wedding our lines will be like winning >the >lottery. If we assume Jean and I have correct data and that yours is >correct, >all we can do is fit the two pieces and hope the bond holds. > >I have data back to William, etc and have seen your data for years and >never >thought we were the same line. (Arvil looked pretty hard also.) The big >block >for me is that I was convinced we would never find an easy answer so maybe >digging harder? > >I spent my working career in technical research. One way to find the >correct >answer is to pick the end result you want and then prove you are right. >(Also >start in the middle and you can go either way.) I think the Johns and >Benjamins must be the solution. > >We need the Rosetta Stone. BobHop > >Visit our home page http://bobhopkins0.tripod.com/ > > >Major family names- Abel, Adams, Anders, Bellisfield, Brock, Byers, Davis, >Dement, Field, Guffey, Hancock, Hockaday, Hopkins, Irvine, McClanahan, >Scarbrough, Shipley, Strother, Stonestreet, Wade, Wampler, Westlake > > >==== HANCOCK Mailing List ==== >If you have a HANCOCK Genealogy Homepage, and would >like to have it listed on our Links page, send the URL to the >list, or to: [email protected] > > > > >==== HANCOCK Mailing List ==== >Check out our HANCOCK Project World Wide at: >http://members.aol.com/heatherjvw/Hancock/ > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup

My grandmother was Elizabeth Hancock. She was born in May, 1856 in Indiana and married Thomas Grimes at Fountain County, Indiana in October 1874, she died in Clay Co. Arkansas around the early 1930's. I know her children's names etc.but nothing more about her other than the 1900 census for Clay Co. Arkansas says that her father was from North Carolina and her mother was from Kentucky. I do not know what their names are for sure, but the only Hancock's We have found in Indiana with the father being from NC and the mother being from Ky is Robert and Nancy Hancock who were living in Boone County, Indiana in 1860 and they are listed on the census as having a daughter named Elizabeth that is the right age to be my grandmother. I am assuming that this is the right family but there is no relatives left that I can ask for sure. Since I see that many of you are researching the Hancock's of North Carolina I was wandering if maybe you may have came upon some info about Robert and Nancy Hancock that would help me. I need to know who their parents were. Nancy may have been Robert's second wife. But I don't know that for sure, there was a John Hancock that was older than Elizabeth living in that household, yet not old enough to be Robert's brother. I'm assuming he was Elizabeth's half-brother. Any information you could give me will be greatly appreciated. Have a beautiful day, V. Mayfield [email protected]

Audrey, I am a descendent of Benjamin Hancock of Goochland County, Virginia (born about 1710). I would like to receive information. Unfortunately, the last male Hancock in my line is Major Hancock (born about 1745), probably son of Benjamin. My e-mail address changed some time ago. My new address is: [email protected] How do I get the e-mail address on the Hancock Charts updated? Eldon J. Edgin 14908 Woodbriar Drive Dallas, Texas 75248-4551 Phone: (972) 991-4891 FAX: (972) 991-4893 e-mail: [email protected] ______________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Shields Hancock" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 3:09 PM Subject: [HANCOCK-L] Family lines with same Y-DNA--Chart 26 & 3 & Update > Hi, Julia and Interested Others: > Yes, they are, but not the ancestor to which they connect, so I am having > difficulty knowing whose line connects with whom, but getting there. > However, want to maintain privacy for those who don't wish to be identified. > Here's what I have so far, as to people working on these same Y-DNA lines > who somehow connect with a common ancestor. I think Chart #10 matches goes > with #26 & #3...am I correct? > > So we can put together a listing of those interested in delving into > family's common ancestor more, I have this. Are there any others who wish > to be included in this listing of researchers for these family lines? > > Update: > > Researchers for Chart #26/Chart #3 as Y-DNA cousins: > > H08906-Capt. John Hancock b 1753 VA of Louisa Co., VA; Woodford & Franklin > Co., KY; and Butler Co., OH...Audrey (Shields) Hancock at > [email protected] > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=grannyapple > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~grannyapple/HANCOCKgenealogy/HANCOC > Khis.html > > > H10903-John Hancock b 1743 in Surry/Sussex Co., VA (DON'T KNOW THE > RESEARCHER OF THIS John.) > > H08899 and H08902--James Clayton Hancock b 1829 TN & married in IL, and went > to Arkansas & Oklahoma...Jerry Phillip Hancock at [email protected] and > another researcher. > H10368--Clark William Hancock b 1832 TN to IL...sponsor: Jerry Phillip > Hancock at [email protected] > (I have been working with Jerry on his line and I have his family and > lineage information. Permission given by Jerry to post and share. Believed > sons of William Hancock & Rebecca Vande(r)griff but not proven. Audrey) > > H-11139--Benjamin Hancock b abt 1710 to son, John D....Jean Hancock of Texas > at [email protected] > and also of this line via Major Hancock, Bob at [email protected] > http://bobhopkins0.tripod.com/ > > James Pryor Hancock (ANONYMOUS/MRCA (Most Recent Common Ancestor) > information was presented by unrelated Jim HANCOCK...Jim Hancock at > [email protected]) > > H-09322--Henry C. Hancock b abt 1798 VA (DON'T KNOW THE RESEARCHER OF THIS > Henry.) > > > > Audrey > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 11:07 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [HANCOCK-L] Latest DNA Results... > > > Just a reminder that all names and email addresses of your matches are > listed > on the webpage that is provided for your test by FamilyTreeDNA.com. You > access it using the Kit # and password that they sent to you. You can, also, > click > on the orange tabs to see where your Haplogroup came from thousands of years > ago and the more recent origins by matches. > The only match without an email address has the middle name of Pryor and is > the match that we announced last week that is the Randolph and Rockingham, > NC > group that Lisa has worked on for years. > > Julia > > In a message dated 08/31/2003 9:24:31 AM Central Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > I wasn't sure who was connected with this last test. My line is the > > (Capt.) > > John Hancock line, which can be seen at: > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~grannyapple/HANCOCKgenealogy/HANCOC > > Khis.html > > This would probably be part of the CHART 26 for now. I don't think Julia > > has created a true chart yet, but has given us the number. She will need > to > > answer to that. > > > > I know about 3 of the other connections who are somehow connected to our > > line. > > > > > > ==== HANCOCK Mailing List ==== > If you have a HANCOCK Genealogy Homepage, and would > like to have it listed on our Links page, send the URL to the > list, or to: [email protected] > > > > > ==== HANCOCK Mailing List ==== > Where to send messages to the list..... > [email protected]

Just a reminder that all names and email addresses of your matches are listed on the webpage that is provided for your test by FamilyTreeDNA.com. You access it using the Kit # and password that they sent to you. You can, also, click on the orange tabs to see where your Haplogroup came from thousands of years ago and the more recent origins by matches. The only match without an email address has the middle name of Pryor and is the match that we announced last week that is the Randolph and Rockingham, NC group that Lisa has worked on for years. Julia In a message dated 08/31/2003 9:24:31 AM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > I wasn't sure who was connected with this last test. My line is the > (Capt.) > John Hancock line, which can be seen at: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~grannyapple/HANCOCKgenealogy/HANCOC > Khis.html > This would probably be part of the CHART 26 for now. I don't think Julia > has created a true chart yet, but has given us the number. She will need to > answer to that. > > I know about 3 of the other connections who are somehow connected to our > line. >

Hi, Jean, and Interested Others, I wasn't sure who was connected with this last test. My line is the (Capt.) John Hancock line, which can be seen at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~grannyapple/HANCOCKgenealogy/HANCOC Khis.html This would probably be part of the CHART 26 for now. I don't think Julia has created a true chart yet, but has given us the number. She will need to answer to that. I know about 3 of the other connections who are somehow connected to our line. Here is what I have: Capt. John Hancock (mine) James C. Hancock-Child of assumed William Hancock & possibly Rebecca Vande(r)griff James C. Hancock- Same as above: Child of assumed William Hancock & possibly Rebecca Vande(r)griff Clark W. Hancock-Child of assumed William Hancock & possibly Rebecca Vande(r)griff (I know the name of the researcher involved with the above William's family, but for privacy sake I will not post. He will have to make himself known, if he wishes.) John Hancock b 1743 (don't know who the researcher is) Benjamin Hancock b 1710 (don't know who the researcher is) Henry C. Hancock b abt 1798 (don't know who the researcher is) I can remember that Jim Hancock submitted the DNA for another, but can't remember which of the above names that ancestor was. And, Jean then which is yours? Looks like we need to keep track. Yes...please have the full 25 series one to see if you how you match or if you have a mutation like the (Capt.) John Hancock line. Audrey -----Original Message----- From: theshadow [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 8:23 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [HANCOCK-L] Latest DNA Results... Hi Folks, First of all, Julia, enough words cannot be said to thank you for all you have done for this list and for the Hancock families. This DNA stuff is fascinating and without your guidance we would still be back with a stone tablet and a stylus---or to be more modern, a Big Chief Tablet and a #2 pencil! :c) I have had so much fun the past 24 hours trying to figure out who Warner's "kin-folk" are that I didn't know already. I think we may actually "stagger onto" this particular line of ancestors with just a bit more digging. Where is Chart #26? Could we know who has this Chart 26 in their line? I'll be glad to talk to anyone who matches with Chart #3 on the DNA tests. I am really interested in seeing where the lines split into the various siblings, etc. Speaking of the DNA test, we apparently only sent in for 12 markers. I just sent in what I thought I was supposed to but apparently I did not read the DNA page thoroughly enough. My question is should we have the upgraded test done or is the 12 marker test sufficient for matching? Lord, I hate getting old when it means I can't read!<LOL> Again, to Julia, thank you so much! Jean Hancock in TX ==== HANCOCK Mailing List ==== Check out our HANCOCK Project World Wide at: http://members.aol.com/heatherjvw/Hancock/

Hi: we have 3 Jabez Hancocks : 1728, 1753 and 177*? [We cant find anything in this DNA thing and no males to be in it.] They were from Longmeadow MA, to Paris NY to Feedom/Elton, Cattaragus Co, NY . We have no actual link from #1 to #2, but #2 m. Temperance Beebe of Pasris NY and #1 and family moveed from Longmeadow to Paris NY (seems pretty reasonable), and #3 is their son m. Eleanor Aler, of Boston, Erie Co. NY. Their dau, Jerusha, is my husband's 2nd g-grandmother and our last Hancock. I have info, if you have people linking? Judy > > From: [email protected] > Date: 2003/08/30 Sat PM 06:46:21 EDT > To: [email protected] > Subject: [HANCOCK-L] Yankee Hancocks (?) > > Come on, Y'all~~~ > I have been following all your work through this List, and I have posted an > inquiry or two without any luck. It appears that you are rapidly making good > connections with the DNA tests. My problem is that I believe my Hancocks were > New Englanders, and it seems as though most are from the South. I have traced > back to a Benjamin Hancock ( b. ca. 1728) who had a son, Asa > Hancock (1753 — 1817 ), who had a son, Benjamin (1782 — 1858). This > Benjamin's daughter, Eunice Hancock ( 1820 — 1888 ), married Justus Vickery. Surely > with all the Hancocks out there, someone ties to this line. Help! I will be > eternally grateful. :-) > > Chuck in Denver > > > ==== HANCOCK Mailing List ==== > Questions about this list? Feel free to contact > the listowner for help at: > <[email protected]> > >

Hi Folks, First of all, Julia, enough words cannot be said to thank you for all you have done for this list and for the Hancock families. This DNA stuff is fascinating and without your guidance we would still be back with a stone tablet and a stylus---or to be more modern, a Big Chief Tablet and a #2 pencil! :c) I have had so much fun the past 24 hours trying to figure out who Warner's "kin-folk" are that I didn't know already. I think we may actually "stagger onto" this particular line of ancestors with just a bit more digging. Where is Chart #26? Could we know who has this Chart 26 in their line? I'll be glad to talk to anyone who matches with Chart #3 on the DNA tests. I am really interested in seeing where the lines split into the various siblings, etc. Speaking of the DNA test, we apparently only sent in for 12 markers. I just sent in what I thought I was supposed to but apparently I did not read the DNA page thoroughly enough. My question is should we have the upgraded test done or is the 12 marker test sufficient for matching? Lord, I hate getting old when it means I can't read!<LOL> Again, to Julia, thank you so much! Jean Hancock in TX