I received this from another of my lists and thought it's worth passing on. I find that the NC Hamricks "occasionally" followed this naming pattern, more for males than females. Ted ------------------- The following came off of a Fife County, Scotland List-serve and I thought it might be helpful to other lists. We are always trying to figure out how to move back a generation and this might help provide clues. Use this at your own "risk". ken parker I have this information in my records taking the naming pattern up to 4th & 5th sons and daughters (I usually see this pattern referenced only up to the 3rd son & daughter). I got this info from a book I read a couple of years ago on Scottish Genealogy (sorry--I'm not 100% sure of the title, but I seem to remember it being something by Angus Baxter, maybe In Search of Your British & Irish Roots : A Complete Guide to Tracing Your English, Welsh, Scottish, & Irish Ancestors?). I've found that at least 2 families in my lineage followed this entire pattern exactly, and a couple of others seem to be that way too though I haven't been able to verify their info yet. 1st son = father's father 2nd son = mother's father 3rd son = father 4th son = father's oldest brother 5th son = father's 2nd oldest brother or mother's oldest brother 1st dau = mother's mother 2nd dau = father's mother 3rd dau = mother 4th dau = mother's oldest sister 5th dau = mother's 2nd oldest sister or father's oldest sister