Tressie: I have copies of the census 1850 - 1870, but not 1880 -- I would like it if you could provide!! Was Susannah a Hamrick or Loveless? It is still my understanding that wife #1 was named Frances, no maiden name found, and I'm still confused about Udoxy/Essa Stone/Runyans.....Thanks for your attempts to save me from this murky pool!! Ginger