Pat, I have been waging a uphill battle against S C Jones' version of the Hamrick genealogy for several years. Not that I am the only person who feels that way but I have more time on line than most so write the most prolific. When I first started there was only Steve Bridges beside myself that had any web space that was not devoted to the Emigrant Hans Georg and Moses Richard. Currently there are about six sites that give credit to the emigrant Patrick Sr. Unfortunately Steve no longer has his excellent site on the net. For a long time when ever someone mentioned a statement made by S C I assumed it was incorrect and so said. Several of my friends chided me that S C really had made a great contribution to Hamrick genealogy. He collected oral genealogy histories which would have become lost without his efforts. I can throw stones at his work but without his years of work, I would not have anything to throw at. It would have been nicer if S C had documented his data but his sources, oral histories, did not provide any so all he had was the "Begets" similar to the genealogy offered in the Bible. Moses in writing the Bible did the same but had better inspiration. Unfortunately the Hamrick's in Rutherford Cleveland, North Carolina felt like his book was also divinely inspired and still to this day is revered. A few local converts will not discuss Hamrick genealogy prior to 1840 with the "Old Guard" of the Broad River or Old Tyrone Genealogical societies. I am sorry you have become involved in this and wasted your valuable time in something my cousin caused. It was a local problem just in North Carolina until people started picking up on it and applying it to Hamrick's in other areas of the country. It did not bother S C that he reported three brothers Benjamin, Charles, and Robert born in Ireland and two first cousins Samuel and Mary from Germany as the early Hamricks. Samuel was the son of James, Mary was the daughter of Robert, and Benjamin, Charles, and Robert were sons of Patrick Jr who were all grand children of Patrick Sr of Ireland. In an effort to explain some of S C's errors I told persons that he had made a mistake in names. Hans Georg should have been named Patrick Sr and his son Moses Richard should have been names James. Actually James was the Father or Grandfather of all the Hamricks in North Carolina with the exception of Mary. It is my own private theory that S C's Hamrick mother was the origin of the aberrant Hamrick genealogy. He said she told him fascinating tales of his forefathers and that was what perked his interest in genealogy. I think she had an interested listener and like gost stories around a camp fire, they expand to meet the desires of the audience and what son would check on the veracity of genealogy told by his mother? J R Hamrick Hambrick Genealogy at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~hamrick or http://www.my-ged.com/mckinney -----Original Message----- From: motesp@hiwaay.net [mailto:motesp@hiwaay.net] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 1999 3:47 PM To: HAMRICK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HAMRICK-L] Hamrick Nicknames? At 02:39 PM 9/27/99 -0500, J. R. wrote: <snip> >Patrick Hamrick is not only the ancestor of the West Virginia >Hamricks, but is the Ancestor of the North Carolina Hamricks >also. Benjamin, son of Patrick, was the father of the West >Virginia Hamricks. Moses Richard, father of the North Carolina >Hamricks, was a nick name for 'James' son of Patrick and 'Hans' >was a nick name for Patrick. J. R. I must have missed something. Where did that come from? Where is the "proof" - or documentation - or evidence - that shows that 'Moses Richard' is a nickname for 'James?' Or that the German (or Sweedish or Dutch) 'Hans' is a nickname for the English 'Patrick'? This has me terribly confused. I just spent about 30 minutes checking the 36,000+ names in my data base. I've found a lot of nicknames for James - normally Jim, Jimmy, Jimmie, Jemmy, Jas., Jamey, even Josh and on rare occasions Jack. But Moses??? For one James I have a 'Nat' as a nickname, but there's a good chance this was based on his middle name of Nathaniel. And I have a Lonnie for one James, but his middle name was Alonzo. And I do have a Bud and a Bo - hey, my relatives are in the South, what can I say? I have a Slash for James Caleb - and I don't think I want to know where that nickname came from. I have a Buck for James Christopher Buchanan PARSON. And I have three J. C.s - for James Carroll SUTTON, James Columbus BLACKMON and James Columbus HAMRICK. James Curtis BAILEY, Jr. is Jake as is James Herman HAMRICK. I have a James H. DICKEY who went as HAMP, and a James Kennard who went as Ken. I have a James Leonard WHITE who was called Doc (he was a 7th son), and a James Lester McKANEY who went by Cotton. James Lester Buford HARDIMAN was called Bute. James Thomas HAMRICK was called Tom. And my niece's husband is James Warren SEEGERS whom we all call Jay. Nowhere in my data base do I find a single Moses called James! I did a reverse check on the name Moses and didn't find a single nickname. The Richards in my data base that have nicknames use Dick, Dickie, Rick, Ricky, Rickey, and Lonnie; not a single Richard went as James (to include Richard James who went as Dick). The 4 Hans in my data base were all from Germany, and none of them had an American nickname of Patrick. And none of the Patricks in my data base had a nickname of Hans. So, where do I need to look to find Moses Richard as a nickname for James? And Hans as a nickname for Patrick? (Or James a nickname for Moses Richard/Patrick a nickname for Hans?) Please cite your source. Pat motesp@hiwaay.net