Hi Bill - Nice to hear from you - I'm also descended from the Cleveland/Rutherford Hamricks, and also believe my ancestors were descended from George/German stock. Like you, I place a good amount of faith in the family story-telling through the years. I was only privileged to know up through my grandparents' generation personally, but they were very knowledgable re. their ancestors and shared a great interest in maintaining an oral family history. Also, you mentioned those of us who believe we are descended from Patrick may have been intimidated from posting to the list, just wanted to let you know my silence has more to do with recently having been anticipating the arrival of my own first Hamrick descendant. My particular line of Hamricks have never been prone to intimidation! Hope to hear more from you - would be interested in knowing your own particular lineage. Kathy